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Ben Fogle

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“But you have to be, but if someone comes up to me, a youngster says, I really want to just be a top footballer, I want to play with a premiership club, I don't see why they can't, but there has to be a base level of pretty brilliant football from a start. Do you see what I mean? Of course. So I think you have to be realistic with those aspirations. If someone wants to be a top neuro scientist or a top doctor, I don't see why they can't, but they have to have it was going to be impossible for me. I wanted to be a vet. And I think I would have been quite a good vet, but I just didn't have the academic. So I didn't even get off the start plate. I think it's a really important thing to reiterate to people that”
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“To answer for because it's kind of made this illusion that anyone can be whatever they want in life. Now Part of my whole, I suppose part of the story that I tell is that you can follow your dreams. But I always say that with the caveat that it has to be reasonable. If your dream is to be a top footballer, Going to have to”
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“Everest, you're right. You couldn't just take someone off the street and say believe you're going to climb this mountain and you're going to get to the summit because you need to deal with the climatization. You have to get yourself physically ready. You have to understand about high altitude and you have to understand the basics of climbing at least. So you're right. But if you even with all that, if you go into that arena as such into the mountains with any doubt, it's going to be a self-fulfilling prophecy that you won't succeed. So I think this idea of belief that you can, you're right, it's much more than just looking in the mirror and going, I'm going to be the best musician in the world. This comes back to school kids who aspire for fame. Britain's got talent has a lot.”
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“This is, but you're taking it slightly too literally when it comes to what that is. So here's the thing. There's a man called Mark Boyle who lives in Ireland, a fascinating man. I think you should get him on here. He has lived as the moneyless man and he gave up everything and tried to live without any money for a year And he ended up with a house is what he did by charming, trading up, literally just working his way through the system, but never, ever, ever using money. It was always trade and barter and borrowing. And I don't think there was any stealing. Not that I know of. But I love this notion that he had an absolute confidence that this would work and that he would be able to do it. Now, with something like...”
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“But there's no reason why you can't be doing that throughout your life. You just have to think outside of the box, don't you? You just have to have this positive attitude. And, you know, this comes back to what I was saying to you as a child. I realize this. If you think you're going to fail, you're going to fail. So every driving test, all of those ones I told you I failed, I would get in the car and this booming, deafening voice was saying, you are going to fail. And sure enough, I'd mount the pavement. Because as soon as you go into an event where there's any self-doubt, it will be self-fulfilling. You must know that. Yes, know that.”
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“Dozens, hundreds of fish, thousands of fish, and earn even more money so that one day you can retire and do what you want to do. And the man who's fishing says what? Fish. I just think there's a lot to be said in that because it's about chasing these goals and what your goal is. And I think if we too many people are kind of blinded by circle this notion of life as a destination and eventually you're going to reach this nirvana, this glorious place where everything's perfect, where you just lie around the, I don't know, everyone has different things they dream of. Someone just wants to go and play golf. I have no idea why I don't play golf. But someone just might want to play golf all day. Someone might want to play cards all day. Someone just might want to just move to the south of France and sit and drink beer all day. Someone might want to go surfing all day, whatever it is.”
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“Well, there's a great kind of story that's kind of hypocrisy, but I suspect it's true. A tourist goes to West Africa, let's say they're in Senegal, they're on a beautiful beach staying in a hotel. He's on the beach every day and he sees a fisherman go down and cast his line, catch the few fish. And after the week, he goes to him and says, listen, I think why did you invest in a second rod so that you can catch twice as many fish and then you can sell twice as many fish and then eventually get a net and then you can get a boat and then you can start selling”
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“Have abandoned the complexities that many of us are stepping around. They don't have to deal with wokery and trolls. You know, all these things are very first world problems, although they're not actually the developing or the lesser developed world, I should say, suffer from all of these things as well.”
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“But all these people that I've spent time visiting, I've done this series for 10 years now and I've been to 100 places all around the world. That simplicity is really attractive. And they don't worry themselves about those big topics. I was just describing there. It's kind of unimportant to them. What happens with Brexit doesn't really matter for the person that's chosen to live on a tiny little island up in Norway who lives hand-to-mouth catching fish each day. And I find it really kind of hypnotic and mesmerizing to spend time with people who have stripped their lives back to the absolute bare essentials. And the assumption is that they're really enduring and they're suffering and they're surviving. But that's not always the case. It doesn't mean their lives are easy, but almost all of them are happy. Almost all of them...”
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“I really admire their lives. I'm really jealous of their lives because they've simplified it. We've made our lives pretty complicated, haven't we, really, if you think about it. And actually, if you strip it back, what do you really need in life? You know, you need shelter, you need food, you need water, some good company. We've really realized that with the pandemic. I think people have realized we're social, we need to have friends and family around. You need a smile on your face. That's kind of it. And everything else is a bit distraction or it's an extra bonus, isn't it? To have a fine wine or whatever it is you like in life.”
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“Isn't it? Of course. Which is maybe one of the reasons why I still find myself drawn to far away places. So the show that I do New Lives in the Wild where I go to live with people who've dropped off the grid. They've woken up one day and they've decided I don't want this life anymore. Sometimes they're millionaires. Sometimes they're just everyday folk who have got bored of the nine to five job and they've gone to live in the jungles of bali in a little cabin in Alaska. And I really covet their lives.”
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“Because that's politicized. I can't have a conversation about politics because that went ages ago. I can't have a conversation about Brexit. I can't have a conversation about indie ref 2. I can't have a conversation about what's happening in Northern Ireland. I can't really have a conversation about international policy. And by the way, I have more interesting conversations than just these. I am actually quite fun sometimes. But I really like debate and I like hearing what other people have. So when I travel to other countries, my favorite thing is chatting about their interpretation of what's going on. And I really thrive on that. But we can't anymore because it's become too emotional. People feel it's really personal to them or they're too afraid to talk about it in the first place.”
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“The wokery for some reason is something we hear about even more. And maybe it's used to try and counterbalance the really ugly side of racism and xenophobia and anti-Semitism, all these things that are equally rising up. And I don't know how we get back to this middle just being a sheep in a field. Because I long for a good, solid conversation. I can't sit at a table now with people I don't know really, really well and have a conversation about COVID.”
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“But surely you know this probably more than I do that you have extreme wokery on one side, but then we have the extreme, we've got kind of fascism and the complete... Than it is to do the fascism because that's really ugly and it's deeply offensive to so many people. But we see it, you know, we know it's on social media. You see what's happening to footballers, the racist abuse that they get. And we do read about it.”
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“But you know, if you look at what Bruce Parry used to do, where he would immerse himself and he would live there, I don't know if you remember Bruce Parry, but he would go and live there for there being with a group of, with a tribe somewhere, and he would adopt their native dress, whether it was just a little whether it was a very simple skirt, whatever it was. And he would live as they do. I don't know if you could get away with that now because it would be seen as a mix of cultural appropriation, othering people. And it should be, we should leave people to live as they do without trying to mimic it. That's how it is interpreted by some people.”
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“That. Now, I've just given you one form of wokery right now, and so we will have to think about everything we say and everything we do. And is that cultural? I've just got a kilt. I've been sent a kilt because it's the big global climate conference in Glasgow later this year. I'm going to be up there in Scotland, obviously. The kilt is the national dress. And I was asked if I could wear a kilt with a special environmental fabric. So I've agreed to do that. But I can already see when it comes to that culturally. By the way, I'm quarter Scottish as well, but I'm not even going to try that because it wouldn't get past the woke police because it's cultural appropriation. I was going to say.”
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“Yes, specimens, basically. So effectively going, if you imagine going to a group of indigenous native people who live in the Brazilian Amazon. Where once that was seen as anthropological study of how people live and what they do now it's seen as sneering and laughing at people because you're othering them and you're showing look at them still hunting with spears and bows and arrows. Now this is the wokery brigade who interpret it like that. I interpret it as a great celebration because more often than not I kind of am seeing how we should be living and how we should be treating nature and the flora and fauna around us rather than living in big cities where we're fantastically wasteful and we're destroying the planet. Actually this kind of nomadic way of life or this very simple hand-to-mouth way of life, I go and I feel huge admiration and I'm not laughing or sneering, but there are lots of people that interpret that form of television.”
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“Wokeness. Woken is fascinating. Wokeness is fascinating and it's really complex now, especially as a documentary maker. I go off to countries all around the world. And I've been accused of gross xenophobia just because I go to these countries now and maybe make a documentary about a local group of people who live there. It's seen by the extreme woke brigade as being as othering people. This is the woke term right now. Don't other people. So by taking a document, I know, I mean, it is laughable, but they have quite a strong voice. And I've, you know, I've had to talk about this on other people. To other people is to make them feel like they aren't a part of normality. We've come full circle right now. So othering is to make people kind of feel like they don't.”
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“Yeah, and I agree. It's the anonymity thing. So the number of people that say just get up, just ignore it. And largely, so I still use Instagram and occasionally, you know, the odd troll flares up and I do ignore it now. Occasionally, you know, I get a bit more stung than other times. But I think it's symbolic of the world that we're living in right now. And I think anonymity can be quite a dangerous thing.”
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“Kind of enhanced by the press who jumped on a few negative comments, wrote about it, and as soon as they had written about it, I mean, I had to give up Twitter. I actually abandoned it and I haven't gone back to it.”
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“Throw you off. The whole world of trolling fascinates me because deep down, I just know that those people that write the nasty comments sometimes aren't even real. Sometimes they're just disgruntled and it's probably no different to how life would be in a pub. There would be some person in there that would go mustering under their breath. The problem is on social media it gets kind of brought to the surface. And for whatever reason, I think we probably know newspapers love to then regurgitate what that single individual spotty teenager in their bedroom has written as validation. They sort of validate it. So I had a funny enough during the first lockdown, my daughter thought it would be nice to get the nation to sing happy birthday to the queen. And I realize there's lots of people who aren't monarchists. I understand that we're in.”
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“Mm-hmm. I mean, I think it's a fascinating world. And again, as a father with young kids who are terrifying. Embarking into that world, I'm struggling to find the tools to arm them for the battle ahead. And I'm aware that they can be fantastically useful. It's amazing the interactions that you can get. It's how I'm here today. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for social media chatting to you now. So I'm aware of the beauty of being able to share things. It's just how we get away from kind of the fakery, if that is the term to use.”
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“And can I put my hand up here? Again, for full clarity and honesty, I feel the same. Someone who's 47, I should know better now, but I still look at my Instagram accounts and if there aren't so many likes or if there's one negative comment amongst hundreds of really positive ones, I just look at either the low figure or the negative comment because I think it's human nature that we're kind of, we're drawn to this sort of This notion of competition? And is life a competition?”
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“I think it's human nature. The grass is always greener. I think of all the sayings, I really do think that is the one. We all look at other people. And social media is a fascinating medium now, isn't it? Because effectively social media, one of the reasons I think it's having such a negative impact. And when I say social media, the kind of Twitter, Instagram, well, I think it can have a lot of negative impacts on people is because it's almost, it makes people feel jealous because people are projecting. I don't want to use the word fakery, but it is an edited world, isn't it? However, whatever photo you do, it's a tiny second of your life that you've thought about how you're going to compose that photograph or the image that you want to project, how you're living.”
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“Yeah, because as soon as you've got that car, you'll want the better car. As soon as you've got the house, you'll want the house in the south of France. So we're constantly changing our goalposts because we...”
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“And I always say to them, it's all very well. I get why you want to be famous, but there needs to be substance to that fame. So you need to be famous because you have succeeded in business because you're a great footballer, because you're a great actor or actress. And then as a byproduct of all of that, you can become a great millionaire and sort of reach those dreams as well.”
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“And by the way, just to reiterate, I think to have a goal like that is so important. Whatever your goal is, I'm just saying, I think to have the pure monetary goal maybe isn't necessarily for everyone now, for children, shouldn't necessarily be the priority. It can be a byproduct of being successful. I'm sure you get the same thing when I go and give talks in schools and I go, so what does everyone want to be when they're older? A large number who just want to be famous.”
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“If you look at the model that Jacinda Ardem was trying to do in New Zealand, it was to change gross national product, to change what the country's values are by including the happiness index and the kindness index and what a good nation you are and how healthy you are and your obesity levels. You bring into all of those things. Because for me as a parent, I want my children to have the security of having enough money to put food on their plate and a roof over their heads. But whether they make huge amounts of money is kind of irrelevant as long as they are good, rounded, kind, happy individuals.”
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“Money buys security. Money gives you the opportunity to do some of these big challenges. I told you there's lots of contradictions here. And I'm aware of all of those things. But we also live in a world where success is defined by your monetary value. So when I, you know, if I Google you and I look you up, every single one has a sum of money of various values right next to you. It's next to your bio. So listen, by the way, I think it's something you should be really proud of. If you have managed to make that much money, I think that is your Everest. That is testament to dreams that lots of people have. But I think we need to change this notion that being wealthy is a sign of success in life.”
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“Is still probably the biggest achievement of my life. And, you know, a lot of my wife sometimes says, why do you not just quit there? Because quit while you're ahead. Same, I could say to you, come on, you've did this amazing tech startup. And I think a lot of people would think that you've made all this money just sit and enjoy it. But that's not, but then you're just taking life like the destination and you're thinking that, well, there you are. So money is everything. And money, money is a really fascinating thing for me because I am not money motivated. I know people may go, well, you can only say that when you've made enough money to not be motivated by money. And they have a point.”
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“Find myself confronting failure on purpose as much as I can to try and become less fearful of it. I think you have to confront your demons, believe it or not. And failure. So if we go back to the challenges, for example, because they're one of the things that kind of have really defined me. You know, I somehow managed to row across the Atlantic Ocean. I should have quit there, really. You know, 49 days in a little boat, you know, for those who never saw it, it was a 20-foot rowing boat, you know, a couple of oars, me and an Olympic row. And it's pretty dangerous out there. It's the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. You've got waves that are 30 feet tall. Our boat got capsized. We nearly drowned. It was the most amazing adventure, but also pretty scary and quite dangerous. And I did that. And reaching the other end of that.”
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“It's not quite as simple as that. That's, you know, I'm not a natural mountaineer. You know, this is the boy who was hopeless at sport. It's still a tremendous challenge. But I love just testing failure because I'm deeply fearful of failure because of having so much of it in my early childhood, you know, just to back up some of the data I've already given you about how hopeless I was as a child. I ended up going to about five different schools. I actually went to three different universities in the end, took my driving test eight times. So it kind of failure became a really, a word that I was really fearful of. And as I get older, I find myself actually kind of...”
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“Yeah. I'm slightly obsessed with the label because society loves to label us. And you'll never get away from that. But I say you never get away from it. It will always be there in the context of social media and the print press and broadcast journalism. But you can, I have tried to challenge the status quo a number of times with different things that I have done in terms of challenges and other things. The problem is that I did so many of those challenges to get away from just the daytime TV presenter or just the reality show person that then I became the adventurer who does those things and the expectations when I climbed Everest two years ago part of the disappointment was people going oh yeah of course you'll do it of course you'll get up but that's what you do yeah of course you'll get up the mountain i'm like”
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“You You become blinded by people going, I'm just not really sure this is right because that's not really who you are. That's not part of the narrative that I think you were going down for the book that you're writing of your life. And I don't mean the physical book, but just the metaphorical one.”
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“Posh reality show contestant. And then I started working on daytime TV and I became a daytime TV presenter. And then I kind of became a broadcaster. And I see it all the time. You become stereotyped. So you, whenever your name is written, it will say, you know, it will have either an amount that you made or it will have the company that you started. But is that really, is that really you? So if you or I went on strictly come dancing now, by the way, that would be changed instantly and it would then be Stephen from Strictly Come Dancing because you're remembered for the last big thing. And that constantly changes. But it then means it's quite hard to leap away from that. So if you're suddenly going to decide, actually I'm going to become an MP now. People will be like, well, hang on, no, no, that's not the narrative. And what happens, I think what happens is...”
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“Well, I think we're all the product, I suppose, of our experiences and who we are. And I think if you look at life as this journey and not just a destination, then we're constantly evolving and changing and growing. And I think however much you try to be yourself, you become a bit chameleon-like.”
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“She left school at seven years old. And all of my friends who live in various countries in Africa or in Latin America, or India, it's still to have further education. And by the way, obviously, to have further education for vocational work like being a doctor or an engineer, we really rely on all of that. But I think we have to change our attitudes. Because can you imagine, Stephen, this is what I find really shocking. I work with people now who are working on production, who've left university with 40 grand of debt. And then now they're scrabbling to pay that back and get a job in the world that they want to work in in this post-pandemic or middle of pandemic world that we're in right now. I mean, that cannot be a good way to start your life kind of in debt. Is that not part of the system?”
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“In the school system. And if you imagine now that if all parents got invested in the school and volunteered to go in and help with the classes and help paying for different things, I just think education system could be in a different place.”
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“Incentivized badly. Yeah. And it's how we change the system, though. Because this is where I could turn the tables on you and go, listen, you've done these incredible startups. You've been incredibly successful. I know there have been a couple of entrepreneurs who have attempted dabbled in the school model. And how do you do it? It's kind of obvious to me one of the problems is that there's so many children. How do you make it financially viable to give everyone access to a fair education for them and to have bespoke systems for every single pupil costs a lot of money? But in the same way as I'm talking about apprenticeships, I'm a keen advocate of like a national service, not a military one, but I think everyone aged 18 should go off and spend a month with the NHS, with the fire service, with the police service, just volunteering to see what maybe work.”
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“That they can then go, look, hurrah, we're doing a great system. Yeah, GCSC grades are all up. A level grades are all up. It's all looking great. Look at the number of people going to university. And I'm like, Helen, what is this expectation that everyone should go to further education to university? It's nuts. I get people calling me or emailing me, getting in touch with me on social media saying, do you think I should do a... Degree in filmmaking and in broadcast at university. I'm like, no, get an apprenticeship job if I could do that. take on apprenticeships. No, work your way. Get experience. And it just, I find it really odd that in 2021 we haven't changed.”
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“Obviously, I'm really aware of the system that they're now in that failed me. And I'm really nervous about that. Fortunately, I married someone who's really intelligent and has the thickest skin you'll ever meet on anyone in the world. So actually my children are pretty resilient, much more than I was. And I owe all that to my wife. But I digress. If you think about it, it's still a strange thing that children are expected from the age of, I don't know, four or five to go off to nursery and then to school whether in a classroom with four walls, it might have a window if you're lucky. You've got some teachers that may or may not be really invested in their job. I don't want that to sound disparaging to all teachers because I know a lot of teachers put a lot of hard work in. But it's still a gamble as to whether you're going to get those that are just doing it for the job or those that are really passionate and driven. And then it's just about ticking those boxes, isn't it? Get the exam grades that the government have set.”
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“But don't you find this strange? I'm not going to turn the whole thing, although I'd be quite happy to because you're a fascinating person.”
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“There's so many people that share that. But this is where you and I have quite a loss in common. Maybe what we're doing now in life is very, very... But the fact that you will suddenly just wake up one day and go. I'm going to resign from this”
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“Society expected me to take just so that I could follow the narrative and the narrative being, as I've kind of explained, you know, getting a good job that you can then get a promotion, you get the good wage, you might get a bonus, you can buy your house, you can get your car, you marry, you get the dog, you have the children, and then you end up retiring and then you do all the things you want to do. And here's the key because is it the journey or the destination?”
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“Conformity, maybe I was stripped of that just by the fact that I couldn't conform when it came to exams. So I couldn't conform to what the system wanted me to conform to. And therefore, I wasn't going to conform when it came to other things. I'll wear shorts all year round. I'm not, you know, I stopped wearing a suit ages ago. I kind of slowly as my confidence has built, I found myself straying even further from conformity. I think I'm going to end up one of those ridiculous kind of English eccentrics wearing a bow tie. You know the one like walking around with a cat, stroking it because I kind of, that's how there is this kind of, there's an inner me that I have never, I still haven't really fully found, but I knew I wouldn't find that person sitting in an office on a computer in a job that”
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“Just to go against, no, not at all. I'm actually not a contrarian. I'm not someone who says left just because the other person said right. I'm really not a contrarian. If anything, for someone who doesn't like criticism, I should probably stand back and therefore I should sit on the fence and become the sheep. You're going to discover as we chat, I'm a ball of contradictions. So nothing kind of makes sense. I just know what I have learnt over the years. But for me,”
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“Because I didn't feel like a conformist. I didn't want to be a sheep. I wanted to be the shepherd. I didn't want to just conform to the expectations of what society deems as successful. Right.”
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“First of all, I had to kind of think on my own. I couldn't defer to other people. Up until that point, I'd always kind of, dad, what do you think, mom, what do you, should I do that, you know, I didn't trust my own judgment. So first of all, that was gone. So I had to stand or fall on my own decisions. And then secondly, just the immersion in this exciting new place was just, I mean, it just was the most exciting year I've ever had, if I'm to be really honest. And I decided then that that's what I wanted from life. I didn't want to conform by getting, you know, I didn't want the degree, the job, the mortgage, the sitting in an office. I didn't want to go down that conventional route that is.”
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“It happened by accident. So that's the first thing to say. I didn't chase it thinking this is going to help. It was like a slow series of blocks that were built. So it started when I failed my A-levels and I went off traveling. I went to Costa Rica, a place that I know you love. And I went to university out there. And I think it was spending time in a different culture, different language, different religion, away from home, away from mum and dad.”
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“I've been able to really build that confidence. And I'd say I'm a few hundred meters from the summit now of peak confidence. And I can't wait until I'm there. I hope I reach that point.”
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