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Ben Mezrich

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“Well, that's the thing. I grew up a nerdy guy and I looked at Lincovi and they terrify me. You know what? If they were running Facebook right now, I don't think we'd be running into these issues”
2019-12-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Ben Mezrich · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'll tell you when, sit down with the Winkelvai and it'll change your view of the Winklevai. They are brilliant. I think they're American icons. I really do. I think that guys like the Winklevai are changing the world for the better.”
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“Yeah, and actually, I would recommend people read the accidental billionaires. Go back and read it. It's a really well written book. It's very funny. I really appreciate that. And the Bitcoin billionaires is also well written. It's very funny. And I have this instinct to call the Winkle Vie again.”
2019-12-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Ben Mezrich · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So that's Thank you. And you know what? I want to say you're a legend and I being able to sit down with you is something I've wanted to do for a decade.”
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“I have to tell you, I'm one of these people who's so Only gates and mus Going to go away. I really think so. I'm a big fan of that. So that's on that. All right, Ben. I'm excited to see the next movie. I'll take Mark with me. Thank you. And you know what? I want to say you're a legend and I”
2019-12-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Ben Mezrich · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Same thing with space. Yeah, yeah, So how does she hear climate change at all? I have to tell you, I'm one of these people who's so optimistic about it because I've gone to all these lectures. These scientists come in and they all have these incredible ways of fixing it. Now, some of them are completely crazy and might kill us all, but every now and then one of them seems very smart. And all it's going to take is the right scientist and the right billionaire. And it's all going to go away. I really think so. I'm a big fan of that.”
2019-12-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Ben Mezrich · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's always hard to sell a book about science because the general public just sees science and glazes over. But I'm still fascinated by genetics. I did write a book called Woolley about that, but I think there's more to be said about living forever. I think that's a great story. Peter Thiel's involved in that is from the finance side. I've always said that the world is going to be saved by a billionaire married to a scientist. That's the future that I think we get out of our environmental problems. We get out of our health problems, cancer, all of these things are going to be solved by a billionaire married to a scientist, which, by the way, is what Zuckerberg is. But in reality, when you put large amounts of money and these outsize egos who believe they can do anything together with someone who actually knows how to do things, you do change the world.”
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“Listen, I'm a fan of Tesla. I don't even know why that's a controversial thing, but I'm a fan of him being Charlie in the Chocolate Fact. Let him just make his crazy though. Let him make his tunnels and his flamethrowers and his space cars. I want to see it because I want to live in that world too. I wrote a book about George Church. I don't know if you know George. But George Church is the Einstein of our Tines who's making a woolly mammoth. I wrote a book called Woolly about this Harvard Lab that is making a woolly mammoth. And he's the geneticist who is also working on extending our lives to 150 years. And he's also working on fixing the environment with this algae that eats carbon and makes wood. So I'm really obsessed with scientists who are trying to change the world.”
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“I think Bezos and Amazon would be a story that I would write, but I would need access to something there. No, no, no. Right, exactly. You might not have that. Of course not. I think he's definitely the moment of our times. I love space. I love Elon Musk. I know there's been a Musk book, but I think he's fascinating. I love these fascinating outsized characters. But I also am always looking for something that's going to last longer.”
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“That's what I love, and so much has happened in his life. There's a great thriller in Hunter Biden's life. But, anyways, barring that, politics is probably not my beat. You know, we're so politics obsessed right now that I can't imagine putting out a book in the next year. But I don't know. I don't think the Bitcoin story is done yet. And so the movie is going to be the way I continue that story. I don't really know what's next. I don't have my next book. I'm hoping one of your listeners comes. You know, most of my books come from people pitching me. Finds me on Twitter.”
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“Yeah, I mean, that's so I'm staying out of politics. It's not my beat. And unless Hunter Biden comes to me and wants to tell his story, he'd be my character. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Because I love the guy who stumbles into it, who's suddenly in the center of everything.”
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“United States version, right? You're right. I think we all feel that way. And we all feel that way, and this would be the answer to that. Let me finish up by asking if you had to pick an area. So you dealt with social media on a Bitcoin, what area would you pick now?”
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“But that's you could do the United States version, right? You could do a country of country. And that's the thing about free speech. You know, it's absolutely true that free speech is a great thing we should all have it, but you have to be responsible for your free speech. I think we all feel that way. And we all feel that way. And this would be the answer.”
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“And then when they say something to you and you have that person, I'm against enough. And that allows everyone to take responsibility for what they say on Facebook”
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“Those are the pillars of Mike's Occupation. I have two questions. Well, I think either Mark, I mean, it's got to be Mark because he's not going to step down and let someone else take over that company. I think he needs to realize that this isn't going to work anymore and that he has to take responsibility for what is on Facebook. He has to be the one who sets for us and said, I'm going to make sure that we're not lies and we're not targeting crap at you and that your kids are going to grow up in a world where they're getting the right information the right way and that everyone who's on Facebook is a real person. I think that's the first thing he should do is every single person on Facebook is a real person. There's nothing on there that's not real. Why not do that? Why is that so hard?”
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“You know what? But what was he talking about? He was talking about Facebook and he was talking about the company he was building that we are living in today. And he said, I like to live my life unethically but legally. I like to, I'm going to fuck them in the ear. I'm going to lead the Winkle-Vi twins on and I'm going to fuck them over. And he said these things specifically in his own words. Now you can say, okay, he was 18 years old, whatever age, he wasn't 18 years old. Whatever, he created this company then, the company that we're all dealing with today. It was built on that.”
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“You mean how he did that? Yeah, that's who he is. I mean, if you look at the IMs that, and so in Bitcoin billionaires, I actually put all of those horrible IMs. Oh, yeah. Market, because they're real.”
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“No, he's very, very smart. I just think he, the idea that you can step back from the responsibility, the idea that you can say, okay, free speech, it's not my problem, and you're in everyone's house and on everyone's phone all day long and they're living on your world, you can't step away.”
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“Or China, no free speech. And I was like, there's so much in between, right? Right. And it was fascinating. I was thinking, you know what? He's trying to convince himself that this is okay. That's what I finally came to the conclusion. He wasn't really trying to convince anyone else. He was trying to come up with an intellectual justification for what he was doing when he didn't have the intellect to do so. Right.”
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“naked and everyone's gonna Optimistic. I mean, I finally got Sasha Banner and Cohen to do it. I mean, I wrote Welcome to the Resistance. I mean, that's pretty. And that was pretty, pretty cool. That was very, very cool. But, you know, he's getting whacked again. Because what's interesting is linking it around free speech in a way that free speech should have no consequence. And I'm like, it always does. And you have to think harder. My whole point, Mark, is not that he shouldn't create these things. It's that he has to think harder about the implications of what he's creating. And that there's a wide delta. I think the thing that bothered me about the speech and being there was one that people couldn't ask questions, but that's another, just annoyance, was that there was either free speech”
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“No, it's not there yet. Yeah. He's not there yet. But at some point the Sheen is going to go away and the emperor's going to realize he's naked and everyone's going to, you don't think so. I'm optimistic.”
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“Where are we right now? It's so funny that so many people say I'm leaving Facebook. I'm just going to be on Instagram. But so many people say that, right? It's the same thing. I don't think there needs to be or is going to be necessarily a competitor that takes out Facebook. I think eventually Zuckerberg will see the light and start making the changes he needs to make. I mean, as I say, I've always believed Mark is somewhat megalimiacal. I think he believes he's right and everyone's wrong. But eventually there will be a moment where he realizes he's destroying himself. When he realizes the world hates him.”
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“Well, I think he's going to have to pull in this direction. I really do. If Facebook is going to survive, and listen, financially they can grow and grow and grow and grow. But if it's going to survive and not have a competitor that takes it out, it's going to have to go back to that idea that everyone you see on Facebook is a real person is interacting with you in a real way. There can still be ads, but ads like we used to get on television. You watch the TV and there's ads on it.”
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“It got manipulated because they changed. They started targeting. They started allowing fakes. How many people on Facebook are real? There's been lots of talk about what's fake on Facebook, what's real on Facebook. There should be nothing fake on Facebook. Every single person on Facebook should be a person. And they can control that. They absolutely can control that.”
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“And I disagree with that idea. I don't think that had anything to do with the origins of Facebook. There was no targeting. That came much later. The idea was we would have this village and you could live on this village and we're all going to get to know each other because we're all verified. The verification was a big part of what made Facebook, right? Everyone had to have their Harvard EDU to join that site, which, by the way, according to the Winklevi twins, came from the Winklevi Twins. Their site needed a Harvard EDU, and that's something that Mark used on Facebook. But that was brilliant. If we know who we're talking to, it's not a bot. It's not some Russian. But the service guy.”
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“It's continuing that way because it shifted from this revolutionary idea that will make the world a better place to something that Makes a lot of money that he believes should be in all our lives. I think he bought the idea that targeting things at us makes our lives better”
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“Actually, Jack's But I think what they're saying they're doing is a better response, is that the reality is if it's going to be in my life all day long, if I'm going to live on your website, you have to have responsibility for what you're showing me. You absolutely do. You can't show me lies. You can't show me things that you think I want to see.”
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“Right. Running an analysis on what it is you like and then attempting to send things to you because they claim it makes your experience better. The reality is it does not make your experience better. It makes the world worse. And targeting political ads is just one piece of that. Nothing should be targeted at you ever. And the whole idea of targeting politics, news stories, because you might want to see them, it's ruining the world because it's creating these little political silos, these little personal silos, these echo chambers. Did you listen to Mark's speech recently?”
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“Listen, it's not about that, though. I have kids. You have kids. People who have kids who look at Facebook should feel fear because our kids are growing up in a world where they're going to live a large percent of their life online and they're going to be fed stuff targeted at the whole idea of targeting anything at you is horrific to me. Ads should not be targeted. There's something very, very wrong with them behavioral.”
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“What he should do now is he should say, first of all, we're going to make every effort we can to be a media company because that's what we are. And we are going to police the media on this site because you can't just have garbage all over the place. You can't run a publishing house and publish garbage all day long and not have you can, but you have never done better from a stock.”
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“Zuckerbrick is this dark tendril now. I mean, everything he touches is full of hatred. People are so angry about this. Is that fair?”
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“The plan was to run for president also. And I think she had a way to get there. I'm not sure about that, but she wrote a great book. She was moving forward and becoming one of the most respected women in business, one of the most powerful women in business, then gets caught up in all this dirt. And now you don't hear a lot because she's got to stay quiet and try and get out from under it. So she should come and tell me her story. Okay, she's not going to do that. No, of course not. But I think she needs to get out from Facebook. She needs to get out from Mark's Duckerburg. She needs to get away from all of this and restart being the powerful person that she is.”
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“Right, right. She said, How could you do this to a kid or whatever? I heard her say that. Yeah, I've heard her say that too. But then I ran into her at my reunion And at first, I thought this is going to be very awkward. Yeah, no, she's super scared. But then she came up to me and she said, You know what? We hated you for a while. And then we took a busload of employees and saw the movie. They did. And we ended up embracing it to some extent. And she and I got along very well. Her husband at the time who sadly passed away was a wonderful guy. He was a fan of my books and had read a lot of my books and spent time. He was a really smart guy, wonderful. And I like Cheryl. I think Cheryl's really smart, and I think she was the adult in the room, but she got caught up in a very bad situation because Facebook was dealing with a lot of bad things and went about it wrong. And so I think she is now, my theory is she's trying to get out from under, you probably know more than I do, I think her.”
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“A central character if there was it Classmates No, she was not. She was not happy about it. The anecdote that Aunt Sorkin. Right, right. She said, how could you do this to a kid or whatever? I've heard her say that. Yeah.”
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“So Mark Zuckerberg is definitely a central character if there was it. I think that Cheryl is an amazing character. So I went to college with her. We were classmates at Harvard. We were the same year. And when the social network came out, you know, she wasn't in love with what we did. No, she was not. She was not happy about it.”
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“Well, I think it could be still Facebook. Oh, you're the movie or that? Yeah, the movie. The movie. It's a great, you know, I have definitely in the last week or two started thinking about doing another book because it's called Purge. I call it the purge, the fall of Facebook. I think there's a lot of ways you could go with this. But I don't know. There have been a lot of books written about Cameroon Analytica. There's books about the different instances. What I'm most intrigued about is where Zuckerberg is now and how he's facing all of this. So who are the characters?”
2019-12-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Ben Mezrich · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, I don't believe you should break up Facebook because all that's going to happen is you're going to develop another Facebook. I mean, these things, if we're not all on it, it doesn't work. So either we're all using Facebook or none of us are using Facebook. There's no this Facebook and that Facebook and that Facebook. It has to be one thing. The problem is that I think Mark is wrong when he says it's not his responsibility for what's on Facebook. Facebook has to be run by people who are responsible for everything that's on Facebook. So you do, I do believe that Facebook ought to have all of us on it. I think the general idea of it being this village we all live on and makes our lives better is a good thing. The idea that you know who's talking to you. The problem with Twitter, and listen, I use Twitter all the time and love it, it's a cesspool because it's anonymous and people are just putting their worst instincts out on the world. Facebook is different in that you're supposed to know who's talking to you. And I think that brings out better things.”
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“They did. They went after good, right? They did. But it's this kind of generational thing going on. There's this real moment going on where technology has reached the point where you need to be smart and you need to understand the world we actually live in. Like, for instance, the idea of breaking up Facebook, it doesn't make any sense to me. And calls for that, I think, are not understanding what Facebook is. And the role it has in our lives. That's interesting. I thought you would”
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“Yeah, so there's been a lot of talk, a sequel. So I've thought about it. So there's been a lot of talk about a sequelic. And Aaron Sorkin and Scott Rudin have both sort of wrote the movie. And Aaron has been talking a lot about the idea of doing a sequel. And you just wrote a big essay in the mark. I liked his op-ed a lot in some ways. I mean, he was basically saying, listen, if you could just make things up, we would have had the Winkley twins create Facebook. My only concern with that, number one, I do think the Winkle Vi twins probably did create a lot of what led into Facebook. I also think that the reason the movie didn't get sued also was because there was already a book out and that we didn't get sued in the book. But listen, I think that a sequel to the social network works because so much is going on with him in front of Congress is a great starting place to a movie because the way he acted, the way they didn't understand even what to ask him was really intriguing.”
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“An army hammer, but he got them. Yeah, I mean, he really filled it out well with Jesse Isaac. It was just Army's head on one of them. Remember, it was Army OneBody, and then it was Army's head on the body.”
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“An Would love to see Army at it Out there. You have to be big and blonde. I think that's pretty To be a Winklevie twin really got them, I have to say, having met, I haven't met Army Hammer, but he got them. Yeah.”
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“He could keep doing these things. I know we've reached out to Army about it, and I think he'd be amazing. You know, he's a phenomenal actor and he's only grown as an actor. But I've always thought he was one of the best. And he's a really great guy. I would love to see Army at it. But we'll see. There's others that could also play the part. One of the Chrises, the many Chrises out there. You have to be big and blonde. I think that's pretty much the only requirement to be a Winklevie twin.”
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“Movie, yeah, Bitcoin billionaires will be a movie. I mean, Columbia is set to distribute it, and we have sort of private money behind it, and it's going to be a really Interesting story because in some ways, you know, it's not the sequel to the social network, but it is the second act for the twins, and it's also about this new form of marketing that's love to get Army back. I think Army was amazing. Call me by your name.”
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“But I I agree. We all use it because we all use things on Amazon every day, anyways. Right, right. Well, it's so interesting when I was talking, everyone was like sort of banging away at Trump. I'm like, these political ads is where the power is. It's the money. These companies, they're going to get into healthcare, they're going to get into all kinds of things. So talk a little bit about in that idea that one of them, and Facebook is trying to do this first and has stepped out first.”
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“Yeah, which is something that we all kind of agree is the future of a lot of things. It's sort of this public ledger, this way of verifying things in a public way that also has this private aspect to it. So blockchain is becoming very important in all these different fields. I'm not the person necessarily to explain blockchain to anybody, but it's an interesting and intriguing part of this story. Crypto is definitely going to be part of our future. And something like Libra will happen. I think it's going to be Amazon, but I really think that, and once Amazon does it, it'll instantly be the most successful currency in the world. I agree. We'll all use it for that. Yeah, we buy things on Amazon every day anyways. And then you'll use your Amazon dollars or whatever it is at the supermarket. And you'll use your Amazon dollars when you go take an Uber and you'll use your Amazon. And suddenly you'll be using your Amazon dollars for everything. And you'll realize you have no need for any other dollars. And then everyone in the world will be using one form of currency, the Amazon dollar.”
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“So originally they liked the idea of an on-ramp because once everyone in the world has an electronic wallet, Bitcoin becomes much easier. Once the people who would never think of Bitcoin are using Libra, they would say, well, what if I want to buy some Bitcoin? And there will be a way to do that. These things will all intersect. So that, they think, is positive, but they think it's hilarious that Zuckerberg is doing it. They basically said, welcome to the party. What took you so long? You know, that's the Winkle Vi luck line. Because they've been doing this for 10 years and suddenly Zuckerberg jumped.”
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“It's being used in China. Oh, I know. In China, China is way going beyond where we are. I mean, they're going moving much faster and faster. It's just that Libra has this huge, I mean, Facebook and Libra have this huge PR problem. I mean, it comes right on the heels of Cambridge Analytica, of the...”
2019-12-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Ben Mezrich · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, we live on the internet. We all live on the internet. We almost do everything on the internet. I mean, when I look at my kids, my kids are seven and nine. My kids live on the internet. They are willing to go on a game like Fortnite and spend real money on a skin for their character. And to them, that's more real than the toy I want to buy them. Sure. They would rather have something online. So the idea of Libra is going to take off, whether it's Libra or some other cryptocurrency. So yeah, it's made for the world that we actually live in.”
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“And the idea is also that if Libra actually took off, it would become the dominant currency. It would. It would overnight be bigger than the dollar. Because Libra would be used by billions of people.”
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“instead of Facebook, who would have been a huge success. And suddenly everyone and their mother would be. And the concept is a payment system, essentially. It's essentially it more of a like you buy Uber or you use Libre for Uber or use it and then they have partners like that who stayed into it. Let's not talk about Uber. Right, right.”
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