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Bob Moesta

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“LinkedIn and just LinkedIn messaging, I'll accept the invite, or you can do it in message. It doesn't matter, but LinkedIn's the best way. I get too many emails and I have a very specific process around how I manage LinkedIn, which is very useful for me.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Thank you, Lenny. Thank you so much for your time. And if they want to reach out to me, please LinkedIn is the best place to go. And what I would say is one favor I could ask your listeners is that I'm a very curious person and I love to solve struggling moments. And so I might regret saying this, but the reality is like, if you have a struggling moment that you've been struggling with for a long time and you have no solution to help you figure it out, drop me a line so I can actually start to accumulate some of these struggling moments to figure out where I should go next”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, yeah. So actually, if you go into my Dropbox boxes. It was really about helping people find their next thing. But in the end, the publisher had to have influence on it, of course. And so I think I'm happy with job moves. I think it's a good thing. What's interesting is we can't hire your next job was very inside job jobs to be done kind of pun kind of thing. But the reality is, is like you had to be inside jobs to be done to get the pun so it didn't really make sense to other people outside it.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Did we work? We worked hard. Well, to be honest, it was one of the reasons why we named the book The Way It Was the domain was available.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Amazon is where you can Amazon borders all the big book retailers you can find it's called job moves the nine steps for making progress in your career yep there we go I got one here too and and to be honest it's you know my thing is you can also go to job moves.com and it has basically free resources to basically help you walk through the process steps themselves and so if you go to if you go to jobmoves.com there's a test to tell you what quest you're in there's a there's a forum for doing the interviews there's a forum basically to help you with prototyping etc”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I got that. I got that one when we did the one on Jobs to be done. I was like, yeah, I listened to most of it one and a half. I had to listen to this one at one”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, you hit it all. You're an amazing interview. I really appreciate you taking the time to do this. At some point, I felt like I might have fed him with a fire hose, so some people might have to listen to it twice because I talk too fast because I get excited. But I think we hit all the big spots. Thank you.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So we're in the very early stages of it. We're doing some things where it's going to facilitate kind of asking the questions. And then it's got some AI to help build and summarize your situation. It'll actually take and help summarize kind of your energy drivers and drains. And then as you prototype, you'll provide feedback. It'll provide context back to that to basically help you pick the prototype or pick the area that you want to really focus on. And so we're in the midst of kind of fleshing that out. It probably won't be ready until the fall, but the reality is like we're in early stages of it. I've got probably a couple hundred people in beta testing it out and just working through it. But at some point when it comes out, I'll make sure I kind of reach back out and let you know where it is. And you can attach it to it.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm sure we're going to get some just so you're clear, we're probably going to get some backlash from some of it as well. But again, I'm looking at it as I've tried to make progress for the masses here. And I think that the advice I'm trying to give should be able to help. It's not going to help everybody, but it should help a lot of people.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We had an article in HBR. We had the idea cast. They were on Wall Street Journal. I don't know any of that stuff. I get intimidated by all that stuff. So it's like kind of like, okay, you guys take that stuff. But I had to do a lot of different kind of speaking. I love to do this because I know the people, I know your audience, I know what to do.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was. It was all about the launch of the book, and it's like my whole thing is that the book was done. And it was like then the publisher put all this. They put so much pressure on you to do all these other things, and they have no data to tell you how well the book's going to do or not going to do it. And I'm like, it's done. Just get it out there. And they're like, no, no, no. We got a pre-sale. We got to do this. You got to do all this promotion. And I'm like, thank God I had two other authors to help me with that load. But that, I mean.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Colleagues who are doing it as well, and it's just interesting how they realize I'm not a very good delegator, but like when I realize it affects my motivation this way, it's like all of a sudden I've become a way better delegator to say like these are the things that just pulling me or misaligning me.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To figure out how to sell books to big companies, like all this stuff that just isn't me. And I realized like, screw it, I'm going to buy the books. I'm going to give them away. I'm going to do, I was able to actually look at that list and pull the things off my list and basically either not do them or delegate them to somebody else. And it was actually about me pulling myself back into alignment. So I actually had more energy. And to be honest, I woke up the next day like I was a young entrepreneur again. And so it's this aspect of realizing like, why do I want to get out? Why do I want to take the next step? What is the next step? Well, then how do I frame the next step and take it? And so to be honest, I'm now using it as almost like a day, not daily, but like once a month I'll take it just to actually help me kind of realize what's going on. And it's helped me kind of stop the energy that's pulling me in one direction or another and helps me kind of stay on track. And it's just a really cool tool to do that. And so I have a couple of.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I didn't build it for this reason. I didn't build it for this reason, but there was a point in November where I was just overwhelmed. I was literally like, come on. This is not what I want to do. This is like if this is like, you know what? And there's just so many things pulling on me and pressing on me that I'm like, okay. And I like, you know what? I'm going to go take the test. So when job moves, there's some resources and there's a test you can take and it'll tell you which quest you're in. So it asks you kind of pushes and pulls and puts it together and then tells you the probability that you're in one of the one of the four quests. And as I did it, I just went through it and just said like, this is where I'm at. This was going on. This is what's pushing me. This is what's pulling me. You know, where should I go next? And it says, you need to have realignment. So basically it was a realignment job. And I realized like, okay, what are the five things that are really pulling me out of alignment? It was like all these podcasts I had to do. I wasn't building product. I was promoting more. I was doing all these things that I had.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To understand Because what's interesting is, I would say, so I've done two startups in the last year. So this is my eighth and ninth startup. And what I realized is like if I go back to when I did my first startup, I spent more time on the logo and the website and all these other things that literally both of them, neither one has a website yet. It doesn't matter, right? I'm building the product. I got to make your short works. And so you start to realize like you just realize like there's different things you need to do and what happens is you confuse activity with productivity and you end up kind of doing a lot of work that just doesn't matter. And you're stressing yourself out for all the wrong reasons. And so part of it is getting to be self-aware of those kinds of things is really important.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Have this notion of being a founder, but they don't know what kind of founder they want to be. And what I would tell you is that there are a whole bunch of different kinds of founders and that you should, self-awareness and knowing kind of energy drivers and drains. And the reason why you want to be a founder become paramount to actually your success.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Part of it is to realize as a founder, like you have to do a lot of different things. And so part of it is you like, I think self-awareness is one of the biggest assets you're going to have. And to know what you're good at, to know what you suck at, it's also going to tell you about the team you need to build around you. And so to realize like at some point, there's a lot of people who say they want to be a founder, but what I would tell you is when you start to realize what you're good at, what's your strengths, what do you suck at? What are your energy drains, and then go talk to a couple of founders, you'll start to realize how to shape for you to be a founder, right?”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah. I think that whenever I meet somebody with a disability and they talk about the disability, I quickly go like, what's your super ability? Like tell me what it is because it's always somebody who's blind can hear things that are just unbelievable. They can smell things like they can smell people walking in the room, just crazy, crazy stuff. And you start to realize, like, I know that you don't have sight, but the reality is like it's actually affected you in another way. And what is that superpower? And how do we actually leverage that superpower?”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Shopify There's an amazing amount of entrepreneurs who are dyslexic. And I attribute it back to the fact it's because we couldn't get jobs. We just went to create our own thing because we couldn't figure out our own way to work.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Your weaknesses actually create your super abilities. And knowing what they are is so important. And so this is where I think a lot of this comes from is to realize I was supposed to be a baggage handler or a construction worker. And my mom basically told me, it's like, you know, if you understand how you learn and what you do, you can do it, but you have to be careful because if you get labeled as dyslexic, you will be basically seen as special needs. And this is 19. like what I got first labeled i was put into special needs classes which was a room at the end of the hall you just sat in all day and didn't really learn anything because there was there was no real programs for any of it so she taught me how to really kind of hack school and learn my own way and that's where i think i built my superpowers”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I had like a third grade reading level. I have, you know, I have ADHD. I'm very neurotypical. And ultimately, but it turned out that the only way I could, my mom taught me how I learned. And she literally, for example, she'd have me circle the five largest words in a paragraph because I could see words that were seven letters or longer. And then she'd have me guess why those five words would be together. And that's how I learned how to read. And so I get, but I could memorize the five words from the first paragraph to the last paragraph. And so I could turn through a book and very quickly get a very good understanding of what the book was about, but I can't read it like everybody else reads it in terms of small words and everything else. But ultimately, what that did is that disability created a super ability in me, which is questions. I know how to ask so many questions because that's the way I learn. And so at some point in time, my disability has caused me to have superabilities. That's why I think.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, what I believe is that I had three close head brain injuries before I was seven years old. My belief is some of it was there beforehand, some of it wasn't. But the reality is I kind of blame it on my stupid things I did as a kid. But the reality is, is by the time I was 18 years old, I couldn't.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Experience and perspective experiences and features like you're asking for features of people five years experience. You've got an MBA, those are all features of people. Talk about the experiences you want people to have to come into your company. This is what happens when you're an outsider looking at an industry that's just kind of like it just at some point it makes very little sense to me. The HR department is just very unknown to me. I could never get a job. So this is the funny part is people ask me, when did you want to be an entrepreneur? I said, the moment that I couldn't get a job because as a dyslexia, you couldn't even write a resume that anybody could see.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Me, what I'm going to do with those, don't tell me I need the skills in that. Tell me, like, you're going to need to be able to build PowerPoints and do things around this, which means you need to know these things. Tell them what they're going to do as opposed to what it is.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so the first thing I would do is I would actually look at the job description and unpack what you mean by things, get it down to what are the, so for example, they'll say five years experience. What I will tell you is that's one of the worst statements you can put on any job like recruiting thing because why five years? What is it about what this to me is a sign that you're lazy because you're saying, oh, you need to have five years experience for an entry-level job? Like, how does that work? Like, like, what do you really need to know? And so my thing is, is what does somebody who has five-year experience have and be more specific about what it is so you can actually understand? Because there might be somebody with three years experience who's perfect, but they're not even going to apply because you put five years on there. And so there's all these kinds of things. So look at the way you've written the job description. Look at the way you've wrote the requirements and be more specific, right? It's like, yeah, you need to know Excel, PowerPoint, and Word. Like, why? What do you do with it?”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Haven't done the homework to do it. And so to me, the people who are recruiting who have read this basically have used it to kind of say, use the forces, for example, to say, why are you leaving your job? What's going on? And then ultimately, what are you looking for in the next job so they can use the pushes and pulls as a way to start the conversation around the interview process, right? So there's a lot of different ways where this can be kind of put in. But let's be clear, I wrote this, rewrote this, Michael Horne and Ethan Bernstein and I, we wrote this with the intent of helping employees hire companies. And ultimately, we have a lot of companies coming back to us and saying, help us fix the way we recruit. Help us fix the way we write job descriptions. Help us with the way in which we do performance reviews. Like ultimately, if we've got to align the company's progress with their progress. Because if they don't make progress, they will leave. And so that's the other part of this is to actually.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Writing the job description as a set of experiences that people can have, it's almost like you need to think of the job, though I know that there's a legal part of all this. You got to think about like marketing to people who want to do this. And so my whole thing is most people wait for people to raise their hand. They've already left the job. My belief is there's a lot of people. I think that's the two bigger things is fix the job descriptions and build a process that helps you understand people's energy drivers and drains and helping people be more transparent about what they like. Like when somebody says, you know, what do you suck at? It's like, oh, I work too hard too much. That's just a first clue to me. Like you don't know really what you really suck at because everybody sucks at something.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's kind of weird, but like I'm actually using the book as like if you want to apply for a job with me, we got to go through the process. And so basically they have to come to me and tell me their energy drivers and drains. They have to tell me what they're good at and what they suck at. They have to be able to tell me kind of like their past couple jobs of what's going on. And so you start to realize like from a hiring perspective, you start to realize the other thing is to realize that the job description is made up and that you should be trying to actually match the job to fit the person as opposed to trying to find the person to fit the job. Because when you find like is you know you've been enough start, it's about good people. And when you find good people, it's like, yeah, they fit, but they're just not perfect. And then you let them go. And the reality is what you probably want to do is actually find a way to get that person in and figure out how to actually reshape the job to fit that person. And you start to realize like that's really kind of the key to think about it. And what I would tell you is the other thing is to think about”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, but it's not satisfying. The problem is the job creation has very little challenge to it. And so it's good to when you need to rebuild, but when you start to realize you need more challenge, the job creation doesn't cut it anymore.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But taking the time off was re energizing. It was the job version of a job creation to say, you know, I can do these other things. I got to stay busy, but I'm busy enough. And that time off helped you become you again and what you're really good at. And so that's the whole thing is most people, sometimes they just need to take a job gation.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Okay, so sorry, go ahead. Yeah, I'm sorry. I think the thing is that strength finders, my aha around Strength Finders is most people suck at talking about themselves. They don't really know how to talk about what they do and what they're good at. And Strength Finders gives you the language to talk about it. But I always say like, don't worry. You need to get good at the top five or top ten. Like I've been doing it for 20 years and my top 10 have never changed. Like the sequence might have changed, but those top 10 are still the top 10. But the bottom five are the things you really need to focus on because that's where the energy drains come from. When people ask you to do that and you're like, oh, yeah, I remember this time when this happened. And so it's so to me, it's the cheat sheet to get to energy drivers and drains is strength finders.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Uses as opposed to kind of making me normalized by improving my weakness, actually ruins my superpower And so it's that kind of thinking, you know”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah. So what's really one of the things that I've realized is strength finders is one of those things where like when they went, so one of the things I suck at is harmony, right? And the strength fighters is like helping people get along and everybody get along because part of me is I'm a really good innovator because I believe that innovation or product is a conflict sport. It's like it's where you have to have arguments in order to be better. And every time you have an argument, it gets better. And the moment that they try to make me better at harmony, The reality is like you actually strip away my superpower of actually being able to innovate. And so this whole notion is like the things I suck at, like my business partner is great at harmony. He actually hates conflict. But the fact is, is he and I can have conflict and the reality is like, we're all better off, but he's the one who actually keeps everybody in the company really kind of harmonized. And my thing is, is I'm seen as the agitator. But the reality is we have a role. It makes us each have our superpowers and lets us.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Everybody from people like switching from Chipotle to McDonald's or from being a lawyer to being a judge, like it was just so many different people and these patterns just emerged from this really wide swath of people that we looked at that literally gave us kind of the code to know how to actually navigate this process.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And to be honest, I realized the very shorthand of my story is I help make the abstract concrete. And as long as I'm doing that in my life, that's I'm doing what my purpose is. So like when my kids played ice hockey, like I was there about teaching them the rules, what's off sides? How do you do a face off? How do you actually skate? But when it came to winning and losing, I'm like, you know what? There's other people better than that. So I'm literally about helping you go like, I want a new job. Okay, let's help, let's make that abstraction of a new job into what do you really have to do to get it. And so that's why this falls in purview of like, again, I have really no real expertise in the area when I started. And it was just going down the rabbit hole deep down the rabbit hole to figure it out. But now I've got a concrete process to help, I've helped thousands of people go through it to basically get a better job in their life. And again, this is for everybody. No, I know that. And the thing is, is though we interviewed.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's describing me. And so part of it is to use the template of once upon a time every day. So it's about talking about kind of your core skills. One day, which is about the reason why you're changed. And then ultimately the kind of the journey of what you've been through to talk about where you want to go. And it's this aspect of just kind of distilling it down and being able to be very concise about it. So you can intrigue people about what do you mean by this and what do you mean by that and like help me understand like so they can see the journey, but also so you can feel the journey of what you're trying to do. And so almost every pick, I think every Pixar film is based on this.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Day he basically is curious and is able to understand and ask questions to help him build new products every week. That's my story.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“This actually comes from Pixar, right? The way Pixar actually does its films is it has to come back with one, two, three, four, five, six, seven statements around it to basically, it's like almost like the elevator pitch, right? And it's this notion of once upon a time, you know, basically there was a kid who was basically that was dyslexic and ADHD, but loved to basically take things apart and fix things. Every day he was so curious about everything that he did, but at the same time, he really struggled to bake it in school. And one day he basically realized that his superpower was asking questions. And because of that, he actually realized that there was a new way to actually figure out how to help him learn. And so, and because of that, he was able to go to all these new places to learn by asking questions. And ultimately, because of that, he was able to build a method around that. And from that method, he's been able to work on over 3,500 products.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's funny. I've had people do that for job interviews. Like, what would they, what would be the questions Bob would ask in a jobs to be done interview around this topic? And it comes back. And the questions are really good, but the problem is that they're not based on the previous answer. So it never works out for people's. My questions are always dependent on the answer.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“LinkedIn is how I found mine. So, my wife is a director of finance, and she went through this process and she was looking for the next step. She was in the next step thing and tried to go from a manager to a director. And she wrote a resume and she turned, never get a response, never even get through it. We basically said, fine, let's just hire a resume writer. And when she read the resume, she's like, this is me, but this is not how I talk about me. And within a week, she got three interviews, right? And you start to realize like, that's a real data. And so this is part of the problem with AI is AI is literally creating all these filters to help people make it easier to sift through the interview or the resumes, but it's not actually helping you find job fit. That's the thing that's really frustrating.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Don't refer to myself as a business leader. And like, well, if it's not there seven times, you can't get through the filter. I'm like, what? They're like, really? I'm like, yep, that's how this thing works. I'm like, wow. And so the resume writers know how all this works and they know how to like they're the people who know how to hack the system. And if you don't have a resume writer, I would strongly suggest you find one because they know which ones work and don't work and who has what filters. It's almost like a side gig. It's crazy.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, my thing is that most real jobs don't come through those filters. I can tell you as much as people say they're hiring, the fact is that the ability to kind of get a job through that thing is part of it is starting to tell people what you're looking for, who you are and what you're about to start telling people. And you start to realize that network effect works way better here than trying to do the regular resumes. The other part is to realize when you find a job you want, you interview people who have those jobs and you say, what was on your resume and you can figure out kind of what to say on it. Because at some point, it's almost like a set of bad filters that you need to be able to get through to get onto it. And the reality is like at some point, like I was applying for to be on a public board and they basically said, and I had somebody rewrite my resume because I can't really do that. And so I had somebody help me do it. And they had business leader like seven times on my resume or my CV or whatever it was. And I'm like, okay, like I just.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You want That's right. That's right. So here's the thing it's answering to what I call our easy question or easy questions, but very hard answers. Who are you and who are you not? And then ultimately, what do you want? And most people just don't think about that. They're like, how do I get the next job? And so this is why I feel like everybody, the transactional level of resumes and job descriptions and interviews and I talk to people like, yeah, I put out 100 resumes today. I'm like, what? And you just start to realize like the system, they've automated the insanity as opposed to trying to make the process better. And so I'm just coming at it from a really different perspective. And like I said, this isn't for everybody, but the reality is like, this is one of those things where you need to take responsibility for your career and where you want to go. And this is on you. And so the reality is you can let somebody else do it and you can try to morph yourself to fit other people. But I will tell you, you will be way better.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And so part of it is this notion they're used to everybody trying to tell them that they can do everything in that job. But when you walk in with honesty about what it is, people are just so blown back by it. Like, you know who you are, they're almost like, wow, you know more about yourself than I know about myself, right? So the way I talk about this is this is a class on yourself. And so like I do this for kids coming out of college and they're like, I wish I had this class in college so I would have figured out how to pick the right major for myself because I could, I didn't end up doing that. I end up where I think I could make money or where I could do this and you realize like, but I don't like any of those things. I'm like, well, where did you find energy? And we are able to shape it. But like, I believe this can become a college course as well.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And so you start to realize it doesn't take too many interviews for people to realize you know what you want, you know where you are, you know who you are, you know what you suck at. And to be honest, I've had people go like, yeah, I applied for this job and they came back with a better job for me.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Right, and then pick one of those jobs and say, all right, I'm going to double down on that. And then, how do I write a resume that actually talks about this? How do I actually talk about the skills that I have? How I can do the job as opposed to don't tell me where you were, tell me what you can do. And so you start to talk about the different aspects of what you, the work you want to do. And so when you go into internet, so the first thing is, is when you go to interview, you actually have now done 10 to 15 interviews with informational interviews with complete strangers that make you way more comfortable.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And lets you do what you're good at all the time. Like when you're doing work that you're really good at and you love to do and it gives you energy, like it's proven the stress levels of everybody goes down. And you start to realize the realignment part is really, really important because it's like sometimes you want, you're willing to take it on because you care about people, but it's really not something you like to do. But you have to realize it has a tax on you and it has an implication of kind of how you feel. And sometimes you'll feel stuck that you can't get out of it because like, well, then who's going to do it? But the reality is, is like at some point, it's actually destroying you at the same time.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The half step. What's the half step you're going to take for the full step? And it's like, all right, but I got to make sure it's big enough that I can get to the next level. I want to be a CEO. It's like, okay, so you've got to take the next step here.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And alignment is, or that I'm sorry, that was alignment. Control is really about time. It's about basically being able to have the balance. And a lot of people will end up saying, like, I just don't have control of my time. And so ultimately, those are typically where I was when I had no kids and where I was when I was 40 and had four kids. The reality is like, you know, that's just I'm in a different spot and I need time to be a little bit more in my world as opposed to me just working at 4 to 80 hours a week. And so ultimately that's why one of the reasons why I left.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Control is really about basically being able to simplify the job and realize what you're really good at. And just so I think Kim Scott talks about rising stars and rock stars. I think when it's about regaining control, this is about you're a rock star. How do you get back to doing what you're really good at? You're a rock and roll player and they got you playing classical music. It's like, okay, I can read the music. I do that. Let me get back to rock and roll.”
2025-02-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source