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Brad Stone

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“Yeah, I really do. But it's part of the business, so I don't shirk away from that. Yeah, I was arguing with a Facebook exec and I literally was like, no. And he was like, yeah, I was like, no, you're lying. And it was just so enjoyable for me. And I felt bad for him. He was all hurt by my questioning of his perfection. So thank you so much, Brad. Get the book. It's called Get Both Brad's books. Actually, I really love the Amazon book, and I have not finished his upstarts, but both books are great. The Everything Storage Faze is in the Age of Amazon, and you should do a sequel. You absolutely should do a sequel because what a fascinating, to me, he's the most fascinating person of all. And this was the first book that really started to explain why he was so important. The second one is the new book. It's Out Now, correct?”
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“And it pays off. And I do that as well. And it's part of the business. Maybe I enjoy it a little lesson you do. Yeah, I really do. But it's part of the business. So I don't shirk away from that. Yeah.”
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“Of none. That's, I think, the church of a journal. You know what I love about it? We get to go out every day and learn from people that are smart. Really?”
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“Perhaps there's something there, but I think you got to find somebody good. You got to be willing to listen and you have to suffer. Being good takes, you know, being good involves getting your draft back just torched with all sorts of criticism that hurts and then spending the weekend doing nothing else but picking up the pieces again. And, you know, you've got to be willing to pay your dues and to get better.”
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“Because this stuff is hard. Writing is hard. There are very few people, and unfortunately, they exist, so everybody gets the wrong impression. But there are very few people who spring fully formed, able to write good sentences and report and hit the scene at the age of 22. You know, it took me 10 years working at Newsweek. Right. We paid our dues, and a lot of young people today don't have the same opportunity to pay their dues. You also do not.”
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“I would say what I say is learn from someone good, find a carer swisher or someone who can teach you where you can learn good habits.”
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“You have to give an advice to young journalists. You have to do that. What do you think is critical right now? It's a very tense period in media and to see Bannon wants us to shut up Bannon should shut up. He's trolling everybody. What do you think?”
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“You and I are timed our career perfectly. The idea of AI, we just get to retire in these years. The idea of AI somehow taking over journalist jobs, I'm sure this is what everyone says before they see the robot at their desk, but that feels unlikely to me. All right, last question. You have to give”
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“Most people have other words besides fanciful. What a nice nice. But as long as there are restrooms on the Hyperloop, I'll take that.”
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“No, it's the flying curve. The flying curse, driverless cars. I was like, the vertical takeoff and landing. Society. City, it would change everything. And they're testing them. I don't know. They're incredibly secretive. It's unclear how far they are. There'll be a big regulatory fight on that one if you could just imagine. But boy, that'd be fun to get down to San Jose in 15 minutes. Right.”
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“I'm rooting for Larry Page with the driverless car stuff. Oh, really? Yeah. I think that's fascinating and feels far out and unlikely all sorts of things.”
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“Well, I mean, I'm curious to hear what you think about this, but it feels to me like we've always gone in seven or eight year cycles in the valley. And, you know, we're getting to the end of one here. But look, all these companies are still private. Snapchat's going to start soon going public. And so we're not really at the end in this era has been defined by these companies like Uber and Airbnb. Know there's a lot of runway Yeah, I'm excited for what's happened next, but my God, I need to.”
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“But I don't think it's. I'm not going to an old folks. I'm glad. No, I'm going to feel like shot through the head by someone at some point. Inevitable, but I see what your point is that it's a lot of hype now. A little overhyped. And then what else? Yeah.”
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“I do think that when we're in the hope, the old folks' home, that virtual reality, and hopefully this is several decades away.”
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“Right, it's interesting because I was just seeing one that was a bunch of John Favreau, we did a podcast with him, and he has this one that's more dulcid gnomes and stuff. And I like, it was beautiful when I did it. And then I was like, okay. Say hi to the gnome. I'm like, all right, hi, gnome. I was like, I'm waiting for it to like blow my friggin' mind. And now it's like you can touch the key. And I'm like, why? Why do I want to touch the key?”
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“Sorry. No one else does, Eric. I get dizzy every time I put on a headset and I think, oh, that's great. That's the future and I really don't want to own one of those things.”
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“I think virtual reality seems like a great gaming platform, but I haven't seen implementations that have impressed me all that much.”
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“Manage to get more than Possible, you know what I mean? It's possible, hey, it's sort of the beginning, and you know, the Alexa, the echo that we have is a great novelty, and the kids love it, and I love it, but it doesn't understand as often as it understands. And it has a lot. Yes, it should understand. It has a long way to go. And so I think we're at the very beginning of AI making the meaningful impact that everyone predicts for it.”
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“In that case, I do make the, I always use this example, which is like, are you the asshole reporter at Kitty Hawk that goes, you know, that was just very short. And it looks like it was going to break and who knows, and it was just a beach and they didn't manage to get more than. And they got, what, 10 feet off a big friggin' deal. It's possible. You know what I mean? It's possible. Hey, it's sort of the beginning.”
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“Which Uber bought. And here we are. We get on the highway. It's perfect weather. No rain, no traffic. And they press the button. And, you know, here we are driving. But the guy's hands are hovering nervously over the steering wheel. And it's perfect conditions. And, you know, so when I heard that they delivered some beer in Colorado, I thought, you know, these are. Are artificial conditions, and the challenge has always been the 0.01% that something anomalous happens So, you know, to me, I feel like we're gonna”
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“And virtual reality seemed to me to be overhyped. I don't think we're quite there yet. I was in an auto self-driving truck recently.”
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“And so I have no idea So we'll start off with that. But that doesn't stop a journalist. But here I go. Here I go anyway. You know, the things that we're talking about now, like AI,”
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“Well, first, let me start off by saying if I was an incredible predictor of the future, I would probably be in a very different business. And I think one of the lessons of this book is that even the so-called experts couldn't predict Uber and Airbnb, right? I've got the angelist number in the book of something like 130 of 150 people on the list back in 2010 didn't even open or return the Uber email. They just missed it.”
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“Yeah It's certainly good for consumers. The time has never been better. I mean, you know, I make that old joke that San Francisco is assisted living for millennials, and it seems like, you know what I mean? Like everything you want. You never have to leave your house kind of thing.”
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“I don't hold it against Travis or Brian right now being at formative times and the creation of their companies pre-IPO still with these large questions facing them about their survival, that they're not being public citizens, better public citizens. I don't know that they have an immediate obligation. I mean, over the long term, as I sort of conclude in the book, I want to see them live up to their promises. If Uber's vision is to reduce or eliminate traffic, Let's see that happen. And if Airbnb is to reduce some Some human connection to the travel to restore some human connection to the travel industry. Yeah, and then let's see that happen. And maybe we do conclude in five years that it hasn't been worth the price of disruption. But these are still incredible experiences that are underway.”
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“Kind of thing. And I also think, and this, you know, this is going to sound like letting them off, but they're still young businesses and they're pre-IPO And look, I mean, Amazon was incredibly insular and is now doing incredible things in the city of Seattle. And that's 20 years. And we talk about Bill Gates now, but did he care in 2000, 2001, eat it at all? So there's. There's a natural life cycle to these things, and we're seeing Salesforce now much larger company engage in the city of San Francisco in some truly incredible ways. Mark Benioff is it. Yeah. And he's a great example to follow.”
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“Well, I mean, I think that I don't quite look at it in that way. They have fundamentally provided better service and more options, right?”
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“Yeah, and they exploited sales tax loopholes. So even as they're undermining retail, they're, you know, Arguably reducing the tax r”
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“More malevolent. It's more malevolent. All right, but in your book, you're talking about two companies. I hate to use the word disrupt, but they're decimating things. And so is Amazon. All the companies you write about are decimators of other businesses. And yet when it comes to replacing, I think about San Francisco a lot because, you know, when Wells Fargo or Bank of America started here, they had an interest in the civic life of a city. Not just that. You know, obviously Uber's moving to Oakland. Airbnb is here. The interest in the civic life and the responsibility of their wealth and not just their wealth, but their impact, their businesses, the penny does not seem to have dropped that they feel that they have responsibility. You have Gates giving away billions. You have others, Mark moving in that direction. But do you think these companies do understand their social and societal impact, not social impact? It's the societal impact well enough. Because Airbnb didn't take the issues around rentals very seriously at first. Uber did not take...”
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“And they had to kind of tweak the algorithms to address that. It was lowering the quality of the content on the site. And now it goes by a different meaning. It's more malevolent. It's more malevolent. And it's fake news, right? There are cases in which it's malevolent. And they need to do better. Yeah, they need to be little kind of constant arbiters of, you know, while maintaining free speech and allowing people to express themselves even if they don't personally agree with what's being expressed.”
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“I think, well, I do think we're talking about, interestingly, the same thing that Airbnb faced when they were just a platform and then things are happening on their service that they didn't. And then they didn't want to take responsibility for it. And then they realized that they had to kind of walk in the shoes of their hosts and do better. And I think it's almost the same question. It's the Facebooks and the Twitters had an open platform and people come in and abuse it. Two years ago, we were talking about news farms and spammers.”
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“It's not good for their business. It's unwatchable. You can't look at it right now and not have your blood pressure go up. No, it's like cable news. You just turn it off. And so there are, and it's interesting, like a place like Snapchat where they do verify publishers where it feels like there's some not imposing editorial guidelines I think is just a canard. You do it every day. And on Twitter there were a lot of people on the board arguing we oppose them all the time. We have to get rid of all the bullying. We just have to it doesn't and look what and they didn't and look what's happened and now they have you know they're sort of in a situation they can't sell themselves one of the issues is the sort of cesspool mentality that goes on there but you don't feel like that these companies I feel like they have not taken the responsibility for their platform's impact at all and they don't want to they sort of want to like the media companies every day try really hard to be accurate no matter what people say it's never been my experience that they haven't that said these companies”
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“I agree with. I think it's all good for their business. It's unwatchable. You can't look at it right now and not have your blood pressure go out.”
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“You could say, I mean, I do believe social media has become weaponized and that it can be used in ways that there are things they could do, not to move people around, but from business reasons, you know, see what's happened to Twitter. It's become a, as Casey Newton here calls it, a scream scale.”
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“And I think it would be patronizing to say that the people in Florida and Ohio, the majorities of people in Florida and Ohio, smaller majorities in Wisconsin and Michigan, that they voted for him because they were misled. I think that would be by something on Facebook. Oh, I don't think they're misled. No, I think that they have their beliefs. I think it's up to everyone who doesn't agree with those beliefs to the Democratic Party to go and enlist those people and make your argument to them and not to go and blame technology companies. Look, I think Facebook has a lot of work to do to try to make sure that people are seeing meaningful things and not garbage.”
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“As Stephen Colbert says. You know, to me, it's like the let me try to take my personal politics out of it, which is that Donald Trump won and where he got the majority of the electoral votes, a large majority.”
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“It's also true that we live right now in a desperately divided time. And, you know, let's say your Facebook, a large percentage of your user base is Republican. They don't have the same values as you do. And it's your job if you're running that company to offer. Same kind of service to them as to everyone who does share your political values. So they're in a little bit of a tricky situation because where we are as a country.”
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“Google. I was talking to someone. They're like, thank you for kicking their nuts. Like, you know what I mean? Like, thank you for saying something that they should have said. And I think there are some things, I'm thinking of IBM being the first company to integration, gay rights. Like there are some impacts that a lot of these companies can have for the positive social. Good that they have stood for, you know, tolerance, presumably. Inclusion, all kinds of immigration where it's not that hard to go out on a limb here.”
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“I find the employees are getting a little bit. That's who I'm hearing from a lot. A little cynical? No, they're like, what? Like, are you kidding me? It's an interesting because they do believe it. Some of them really do. A lot of them do. Even higher up at...”
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“Marketing, marketing and smoking mirrors. And look, I mean, they're business people with responsibility to their investors and their employees. And the mission is sometimes, you know, is real, but it's also something that you used to motivate and inspire and attract employees and draw customers to your company.”
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“I guess maybe I'm more cynical than you or Kara, where I think like the idealism has always been marketing Like even back in the early days of Apple and the pirate mentality, I mean, they were building a computer that they wanted to differentiate from IBM and Microsoft. And I don't remember Steve Jobs saying anything about the Gulf War and the invasion of Iraq. And we haven't been very political in this community. And to the extent that we have, and the upstart CEOs have needed to be, it's for their own means. I mean, Elon is close with the administration now and on that Council of Economic Advisors for one reason. Right, and renewable resources, and he has an agenda that he wants to see enforced. And it's been slightly amusing to see someone like Eric Schmidt cultivate the Obama administration for eight years. And he's now cultivating the Trump vote. That ain't going to work. You get that, right? He probably won't. But they're all businessmen and they always have been.”
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“Yeah, so tell me about that. Talk about that because you know I've been out front of this and I'm going to keep going. This prepping story in the New York Times, I'm like, I'm not going to say what I mean, I'll write what I think, but the selfishness, the self-regard, has it changed here? Because some of it now has become literally like a constant episode of Silicon Valley. Like, are you kidding me with that or not standing up or not speaking out? I get the pragmatic part, but when things happen, you say you have changing the world in your headline, and I was joking about it, but it seems to me they brag about changing the world when they actually do. They don't want to take responsibility for the negative aspects of it. Do you think that? For some reason, it feels a little sour at this point. And it's not just the Trump people, it's the behavior of Silicon Valley in the wake of it.”
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“You're probably right. There might be things on the margin in terms of the permits for the drones or something where he can kind of make Jeff's life miserable if he decides. I mean, look, there's a lot of questions about how Trump governs and whether there's ever, we get back to rationality or not, but there's something I agree with one of your stories. There's something really unsettling about seeing all these CEOs walk into Trump Tower and make their jobs pronouncements when they're just totally artificial and they're all being pragmatic and they're trying to protect their businesses. And yet, you know, Jeff with the post, I think, will be set up as an adversary.”
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“The only thing that I would say is people love Amazon, and so it's not, so attacking a company people love. I don't know. Is it going to work? Like, why are you decking Amazon? Like, fuck you. Like Lockheed, yeah, those plane makers. Yeah, those defense contractors. But I don't know. It's going to be interesting.”
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“But I think in terms of right now, considering the president that we have that has been elected and the tenor of the post coverage, which is great and as harsh as anyone, considering the temperament of Trump, he might have a business problem.”
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“Well, I think it's the post. I think that what looked to be a kind of brilliant strategic acquisition now five years ago, and like the post has flourished ownership.”
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“Yeah, you should. I think he's to me. If I, you know, everyone goes Elon Musk, I'm like, Jeff Bezos. And, you know, a very complicated person too. Not quite those smiling pleasantries that he does. As you know, you were on the receiving end of that. Do you think he's more under threat under the Trump administration, having owned the Washington Post? He's sort of tried to be a little nicer, but.”
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“I thought about that. Yeah, you should. Because there is, you know, it's the most interesting and complex company in the world.”
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“No, and Google, which should own that because what are they if not an AI company copied Amazon? Sure. So to me, it gets back to Bezos.”
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“Walgreens Then you look at the new businesses and like the TV shows are pretty good. They're not quite as good as Netflix is, but they're good. They're good. Yeah, man in the High Castle, Transparent is excellent. There was one Red Oaks that I loved.”
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