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Bradley Tusk

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first: 2018-10-29
most recent: 2018-10-29
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“Special interests on the pilot. I'd be happy to have those say. They're right, whatever it is. It's just you should want the mainstream participating.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You just need to vote and everything. You're right about guns, about all kinds of things, about all kinds. And it's not just progressive causes, it's just we will not be the tyranny of four ranchers from Montana deciding our thing. They'll have their say.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They'd fight for it because they This thing without having this whole pain in the ass process with you, Bradley. It's critical. I think it's critically important issue. I think it's got voting has to.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know what I mean? And it makes sense. The end of the night. So look, the trick I think is to let the genie out of the bottle. So if you think about a Uber conversation earlier, we knew that once we expose people in markets to this new service that was so much better than taxi, they'd fight for it because they didn't want to go back to taxi, right? So I think same thing here. If we show people that, hey, look at how much easier it is and they feel like, hey, I got to do this thing without having this whole pain in the ass process. I'm honest with you, bro.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Everyone will vote then, and that because it's easy because people could do, you know, I said people call Ubers, they call, you know, I said like Tinder, Tinder really works, like it really works. And someone goes, you know, and really is good. You can match people so quickly and, you know, it's how we should do everything. Every government service should be using these. Commercial technologies. And one of the people in the show goes, You're comparing voting to Tinder like that? And I go, no, Tinder works. You know what I mean? Tinder's useful and works and it makes sense and it was ineffective. And you get what you want by the end of the night.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And in my kids' case, tall white guy, tall white guy with blue eyes. Like, it just goes on and on and on for them, which is really, you know, they just get more and more advantages as they go along. But what was interesting, so I was talking to this. I said, we're going to vote online someday. We're just going to vote online. Somebody's like, I don't care, all your romantic, we're going to vote online someday. So poor people can vote, old people can vote, people can't get to the polls.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They've never had a barrier to voting, and other people have. They've never had a barrier to anything, anything. And so they don't understand, even my own kids, I'm like, you know other people's struggle. I just don't know if you understand that.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I was like, it's going to be on the phone. There's going to be some very good way of doing this. It's not hackable. That is not, and blockchain, of course, didn't exist then And I said, but it's going to be this way. And one of the 100 year old white men on the panel was like, well, I like going down and putting an X on my paper. I said, when is the last time you put an X on a paper, Grampy? You know what I mean? It was like, it was crazy. It was like nobody votes like that. They vote in those machines and the little things. And so it was sort of this romanticized version of voting. Like one man, one”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. Right, it was interesting. I was on a program on Meet the Press 100 years ago, like five years ago, and I could say David Gregory was still there. And I was saying, it was talking about voting online. I kept saying we've got to vote on our phones. That's where it's got to go. There's got to be some safe, oh, it could be hacked. I'm like, no, no, we'll figure out a way to do it. It's so much safer than a box of ballots or computer that you say that have never worked on a campus. A powerful computer that you can fuck with.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because it's the only way to fix democracy, right? Take their assault weapons ban, right? You're a Republican congressman from Florida. Turnout is 12% in your primary. Your district is gerrymandering. Yeah, and your district deterrymanders, so the primary is a general election. That 12% half were NRA members. You probably know intellectually that people toting an AK-47 on your district is not a good idea, but you can't risk alienating 50% of your primary voters. Now people can vote in that same election on their phone. Turnout goes from 12% to 60%. The NRA's vote here goes from 50% to 10%. The politics will completely. And then it would make no sense to not be for an assault weapons, man, right? So I don't think that we can solve any of these issues because fundamentally turnout primary target is so big.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We teamed up together. I paid for the cost for the state to administer the election, so we avoided all the RFP type issues. And it was expanded from two counties in the primary to 24 counties in the general. We're now talking to lots of different states. Seems like Colorado is the most likely next candidate to do municipal elections next year. And my hope is over the next couple of years is to prove this thing can work. I'm not an investor in any of the underlying companies because I want to not care who wins. So why is this important?”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Poor people have phones. What's interesting is in this case, to his great credit, the Secretary of State of West Virginia is a Republican. He was in the military, all four of his kids are in the military, and he was offended by the notion that these people who are putting their lives in the line for our right to vote, they votes never count, right? He's male and from Kandahar like a month later, right?”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, he's right. So you played in three pieces, at least the fact that there may be a way to provide people the ability to vote in elections on their phones over the blockchain. So what I'm trying to do right now is just gain some proof of concept. So West Virginia was the first state to do it. They did it in their primary in May. They're doing it again in their general election now. It's for deployed military.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Blockchain for everything we can tell right now is dramatically safer than any other way to transmit data from point A to point B. It's certainly safer from the way elections. You know, I think about like the campaigns that I ran like in 09. I mean, do you know New York City campaign works at the end of the day? Like at 9 o'clock at night, the polls close and some poll worker calls into central headquarters in Queens says, you know, Bloomberg 232, Ferrer 119, and that's it. That's the vote, right? Yeah, yeah. It could be anything. So the system we have right now is a disaster, right? So if you take those three pieces.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I want to finish on that really quickly. So in my work in politics and tech, I've reached three conclusions. One I've already mentioned here, which is I believe that all political outputs are driven by the inputs. So every decision a politician makes is solely based on the ability to keep the job and nothing else. Number two, what I learned with Uber and Fanduel and Bird Now is if you give people the ability to advocate politically on their phone, they will do so. The same people who never vote in a primary, I don't know what primary day is, are far more likely to act. By the way, I've had the acting on behalf of for-profit companies, gambling companies in some cases, right? But nonetheless, they care about whatever it is.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Keeping that in the matrix, it sounds like a haiku of politics that I love. But you were talking about the biggest disruption fight of them all. I want to finish on that really quickly. What politics? Yeah.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah. So I want to finish up talking about some of these things. I love your headlines. My favorite is pick your enemies equals win your battles, strangle the baby in the crib. I don't even know what that means, but it sounds like a high back. It was actually a chapter about each.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, exactly. But until that moment, they are the darling of cities. They have all kinds of local issues. Like, for example, can they start delivering with drones, right? Or whatever it is. And then on the federal level, they've got antitrust. I think one brilliant of many brilliant things that Jeff Bezos did is in buying the Washington Post, whether he meant to do this or not, he made the enemy of my enemy your friend. So people who would normally be very anti-Amazon because they are this insanely powerful giant company with massive market power hate Trump. And the Washington Post is one of the two newspapers that's sort of been most aggressive and exposing Trump. And because Bezos owns the Washington Post, I think he actually gets a huge amount of protection from that because he gets credit for that.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, it's funny because they're the darling locally, at least until they tell which cities, all the other ones are not going to get HQ. Right, I know. That's what Scott's.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“For now, but you know what? Yeah, yeah, but they'll get over it. You can get your, you know, you can pay your pound of flesh, but still long term. Yeah. So, I mean.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I want to get the fake news Yeah, for sure. But if you're Google, I mean, look, maybe they're so smart that they know the exact answer and they're just not telling us. But my guess is they have no fucking idea. And so as a result, why not just admit that and be part of a process to try to figure out That's what I would do.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and I think that's all, again, I would do the Facebook answer there and say, let's work proactively with the government to try to figure out what to do about this because these are new issues and we don't know the answers either. Antitrust is a different question, right?”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, not really. I just think that they think and sort of politicians think that most people are stupid. And I think people are a lot smarter than they get. What about Google?”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. And then ultimately, California might end up driving a lot anyway because companies don't want to have to live by two sets of standards within the US, right, right. So, yeah, if I were Facebook, I would be a lot more proactive at it, both because I think you'll get to the better result and I think also the optics and politics for you a lot. And you think they've been”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Maybe DOJ has some jurisdiction in different ways. But unless that happens, my guess is if you're Facebook, you have two paths, right? You could just bottle shit up for as long as possible, deny reality, and just keep making as much money as you can. Or you could say at some point, reality is going to set and we're going to have to deal with this stuff. Why don't we get ahead of it and try to deal with it now and bring in the agencies, both parties, the advocates, the experts, the professors all around one table, it's going to be a brutal, painful, slow process, but at least we're actually trying to do something.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And then you're going to have, I think, a divided Congress, most likely, and a crazy White House. And unless like the FTC or some agency brings an action.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I think for as long as the polls say that Facebook's unpopular, then politicians are just going to go after them because that makes good politics. Right.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't think either side will do that, right? Because that would be way too logical. So it's not going to happen. So I think Facebook will keep obfuscating and keep acting like they're doing everything right. No, they are now.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right They kind of did that. Some of the conversations were like, what do you want to do, Mark Zuckerberg? I'm like, let's not ask Mark today. Let's find some experts to look at when he's business. But there should be.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And that's what's happening right now. So they are far better off, even at this late stage, saying there's so much we don't know and so much you don't know. Let's sit down together and figure it out. They're far better off having a seat at the table than resisting resistance. Well, they kind of did that.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You're immune to the at will. Because common sense ultimately, you know, there's this quote from Pericles, right? Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I know, but I don't think anyone would say. This gets back to the earlier. Why would you clean up the oil spill when you're not immune?”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, of course. But they've resisted it completely. I know, but I don't think anyone would because of the communications decency, like the original sin, which is Section 230, where they get broad immunity. So why would you clean up the... Let's...”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They would sell your shoes if they could. For sure. But they don't admit that, which I actually think people are able to understand the truth a lot better. And the senators on the flip side were like, oh, you should be able to get everything you want from Facebook and have nothing monetized. It's also impossible. That's not capitalism, right? And I really think the American people are able to handle the truth and just say, this is what it costs to go on Facebook in terms of being monetized, in terms of privacy, here's the risk, here's the reward, you decide. Right. And I honestly think that if Facebook said this is who we are, we've invented something that we think is pretty great, but it's brand new, so there's lots of unknown consequences. And said to the government, let's sit down together and just try to work through all this stuff. Because we have ideas, you have ideas.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Where they both clung to a version of reality that everyone knows isn't true, right? So Zuckerberg says, oh, you can have all of your cat photos and keep up with your eighth grade friends. And we're still going to respect your privacy and protect your data and everything else. That's absolutely not true because definitionally, the reason someone would buy a share of stock on Facebook is in return for being able to get the cat photos. You are agreeing to provide data that could be monetized. That's the whole underlying business.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I'm serious about it Essentially, that's I'm going to use that metaphor. I've heard it So, if I were Facebook I mean, it seemed to me when you watched the Zuckerberg hearings, what I found infuriating was they both maintained both him and the senators just maintain this ridiculous fiction.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And apple's not really, Microsoft's not really, but they're getting pulled into it because they're furious about it. They're like, they're like having unprotected sex and we're getting the clap, essentially. That's them going to use that metaphor. Have you ever seen that in ads? I've heard it. Yes. We don't want the clap. We're not promiscuous like they are.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, exactly. If you're going to take the time and take all the arrows and slings involved, I'm good, but hey, he did gay marriage. He ran out front way before anybody else. And the leadership, it's called leadership.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And by the way, you know what? There's no point in being in government to maintain the status quo. Anybody can do nothing. If you're going to take the time and take all the arrows and slings involved.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Fundamentally, you know, we're our own meal. That's what we are now. We are a name only, but there's not going to be like three Californias and things like that. Not yet. Not yet. We'll see. But I do think California is going to operate like its own country soon.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Defend each other if there's an attack. We'll trade with each other. We'll share highways and things like that. But fundamentally, we're on the right now.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And screw you. They'll trade and serve tariffs on it. But ultimately, let's say that you are pro-life and you truly believe abortion is murder. I understand that you're fighting hard. We're just going to make our own law. It's kind of like California's doing already. Govern ourselves.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“This is a somewhat depressing scenario, but you could see a world one day where multiple countries and some version of the EU with some shared infrastructure, but ultimately you can say.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, look, having worked in the Senate and having been a deputy governor of a big state is far more important than running a state. You have far more responsibility, far more power, far more everything. Yes, you can't declare war, but assured of that.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's pretty good. But it's always been like eight points or something in reality. If you look at the internals, those are hard races to win, which means given the map this year, well, the Senate Republicans in normal year should have done, increased the majority by five or six seats. I think they may stay flat or increase it by, say, two or three seats. It's actually not a bad outcome for the Democrats considering.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The Senate's not going to be there. It's funny because, like, if you take Beto, for example, really exciting candidate, my wife's from Austin and her family lives there. And I kept saying, no, no, no, he can't win. He can't win. I understand politics. He can't win. And then eventually, because he's like the most popular guy, like in Manhattan or I met in San Francisco too”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, despite this sort of talk in the last week or so of a resurgent Red Wave, I still think the math means that the Democrats take the House, maybe with less of a majority than they expected. Right. So they just need 23. So they get 24.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“If you were a total, ironically, Salesforce is basically a B2B company that's not that regulated, and yet they are heavily engaged in the community. If you're working in an industry that's just never going to touch regulation at all, I guess do what you want. But the vast majority of companies are regulated directly or indirectly. And the optics and the narrative that you have around your company has a huge impact on the regulations you then face. And you've got to be mindful of local.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Politics and government, you can. I think that he was, you know, I think the issue was he went against London Breed, who's the new mayor there, and she wasn't for it, which you're right. She has sort of, why not take money from rich people, which she doesn't want because she doesn't think it's a problematic legislation, but I think it's trying to deal with an issue that is massive in San Francisco. So just summing up local, so people should be involved if you're in tech, whatever you're in Austin or you're in Santa Monica.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh, he's saying it was because of ancient aliens. We have a joke. But no, he said he read some stuff and he just decided there wasn't a better option and we needed to do something now. You know what I mean? And he and what was great about him is he goes, Well, I was against it till I was for it. So what? And then they were like, we can't do that. I'm like, he kind of can.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT