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Bradley Tusk

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first: 2018-10-29
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“Well, he changed his mind. It was interesting. I had some interesting discussions with others. He was against Proposition C, which was this homeless fundraising initiative. And then he, in emails, I have emails where he's saying he's against it. And then he changes his mind. He's for it. He's for it. And it was great was the people who were mad at him about that were like, well, he was against it, and now he's for it. I'm like, mm-hmm.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It looks fucking awful. We're going to do something about this problem. And that might be that we're going to do a big meal on our wheels thing or we're going to many hoofs.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“My food fantastic food doesn't work below the It doesn't work. I mean, you had a column a couple weeks ago. We talked about a chief ethics officer for companies or this week. And I would love to see that. You could even take it a step below and just say, how about a VP for common sense? We have all these people living on the street and we're bringing in these massive, expensive catered meals.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, but for his politics. The people who vote in a supervised, board of supervisors primary are not tech employees, right? There are people who've been in that district for 40 years. They're sick of the rents going up. They're being priced out. So it's good politics for him to lead those issues. And if tech wanted an A, stop the Arab peskins of the world, and B, be more integrated into the decision making so you aren't either the hero or the villain at all times, you got to get more engaged, right? If you're a big startup in San Francisco, you are crazy on primary day not to basically tell everyone no one comes until noon because I need you all to go vote. You are crazy not to try to put your people on community boards. You know, you have to be able to start integrating. If you plan to be in this city, your ability to either protect yourself politically, advocate for yourself, or get fucked politically is totally based on how engaged in the system you are. And this sort of arrogant notion of, well, I'm saving the world, so therefore I don't have to do anything in my”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Tech often lives in isolation in these cities or kind of walled off. And as a result, they're not part of the discussion, right? So like I like Aaron Peskin, who's a really well known supervisor in San Francisco and leads a lot of the kind of anti-tech legislation.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah. I mean, look, it's a tough issue because in some ways cities bend over backwards to accommodate tax. They want the job creation. By the way, you're right, anyone. Politically, nothing better than a car plant. That's a million times better than a startup. Or even a big Facebook office or something like that. Politicians will spend taxpayer money in different ways to be able to have the announcement that they just created 2,000 jobs, wherever it is. So, I mean, that's been true throughout time. That's still true. A question, I think to me, the real challenge is.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Additionally, but I think, you know. Some And then there's one more local issue I'm talking about, which is like this was happening in San Francisco on homelessness, is that tech companies living there and whether the cities acquiesce to them too much, just like what Bezos is doing in the Amazon headquarter fight and stuff like that, and whether mayors are too, like there was a whole Edley who had died was considered in the pocket of tech and stuff like that, and whether these rare wealthy people should be getting these breaks or what they should do to contribute to the fabric of the city. And right now there's a fight in San Francisco over homelessness and there's many sides to this, whether they should tax these businesses, which are big employers.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, the voters, the views on this thing have evolved so much that it's basically polls to one nationally now. So states have to decide whether not to allow it recreationally or medicinally, but I think, you know, and then the issue of delivery will be different everywhere, right? Some states will say, you know what, we need to throw a bone to all the local mayors, so we'll give them the power to decide this and they can wrench concessions or whatever we need out of the delivery companies. Other places that will be included in the statewide legislation. So it's kind of like sports betting or esports or a lot of these kind of new sectors are autonomous. It's going to take on a totally different patchwork regulatory situation. And then there's one more.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“More and more recreation. So the states are going to keep going. I think you'll see another half a dozen states in which ones are coming New Jersey, New York, Illinois, Connecticut.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“To allow delivery in the first place, so it couldn't be more local. What's really interesting about this issue, or at least for people like me, is you have this incredible juxtaposition where it's everywhere in California, it's legal on every different level, and yet federally, it's still completely illegal, right? Cannabis is Schedule One drug, which is like heroin or cocaine. I mean, from a VC standpoint, it makes investing in the sector, I would argue, a little tricky because we're allowed to invest in whatever we want, but we don't have that much institutional money because we're a relatively small early stage fund. But if you're a big venture fund and you have a lot of pension money and downward money, you're not allowed to invest in cannabis because it's still illegal federally, right? And Indiana teachers retirement system doesn't want you doing it. And they've given you $100 million or whatever it is. But what it means is there's less liquidity, less money from VCs to go into cannabis tech than other sectors, which means the ability to lose money while you're scaling is a lot less than it is for, say, bird, right? You can just put scooters everywhere.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, they're just moving it from point A to point B. And you're paying on a credit card, so they're not walking around with lots of cash either. And the decision to whether or not to allow that in any given jurisdiction, at least in California is a municipal decision. So we had to run campaigns in LA, San Jose, all of these different markets.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yep, you put in your driver's license and you answer a couple of questions and then assuming they scan it and check against a database and if you're approved then they can deliver you cannabis and its drivers not unlike”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And they bring it to me. There's marijuana everywhere in California. Yeah. I've noticed that. But even when California legalized recreational.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, totally local. Yeah, it's a really fascinating issue. So we're in a company called EZE, which for those of you in California know it, it's Uber for Weed, and it's literally on-demand weed. You scan your driver's license.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They're going to do this. Right. So you moved over to cannabis too because that's another one. So bedding cannabis. This is another local. Yeah, totally local. Except that Jeff Sessions keeps, that little goblin keeps weighing in. Yeah.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They don't want to have services cut or pay more taxes. So whether it's Cuomo, New York, or it's going to be Pritzker in Illinois, they're going to do this.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Totally, because the political pain there would be greater than the political benefit of the income that would bring. It's just a calculation, but that's the calculation. Whereas New York, Illinois, constituents don't really care.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You're going to have states like New York. Actually, this is probably way too policy esoteric, but the blue states that got screwed over in the Trump tax bill by the elimination of the salt deduction are really going to need revenue. So all of a sudden things like sports betting or recreational cannabis are going to be really appealing to them. Because it's a way to generate revenue without having a tax regular people. So it's politically safer and easier. So that I think will carry the day in those states. I think in red states where A, there's a bigger kind of Christian right presence politically. And B, they didn't get screwed over in the tax bill in the first place, it's going to go a lot slower. Like Texas is still going to be years away. Right. But New York, Illinois.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because there's a lot of money The far right for different reasons, but still Laws or anything else. Right, r Really care about like. Want to keep Who gets those licenses? And then who gets the licenses? And then also people who are against it because there's a big constituency.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, like these bros who love fantasy football, not only they not know who their state rep is, they may not know that there's even such a thing as a state rep. But when it was like, look, if you want to keep playing this thing, you got to send this email, you got a tweet, they did. And so we were able to legalize it. But what's interesting now is the Supreme Court in May overturned a law called PASPA, which prohibited the states from conducting their own sports betting. So now every state can decide for itself whether or not it wants to do sports betting, which means you're going to have this free-for-all battle royale and every state capital now over the next couple of years for who gets those licenses.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Always because there's a lot of money in it. It's always politically controversial. It tends to be not liked by both the far left and the far right for different reasons, but still not liked. Fandu and DraftKings both kind of just launched and they grew really big businesses really fast, didn't really deal with any of the political ramifications of what they actually needed in terms of licenses or permits or laws or anything else. And then all of a sudden the Times publishes the story in October of 2015 saying effectively charging that there's insider trading where people on the DraftKings employees using proprietary information to win money on the Fandle site. Right, right. That actually even turned it to not be true, but it just set off this shitstorm, right? All of a sudden, Attorney General from all over the US are investigating, states left and right are popular legislation saying we're going to ban Fandil, we're going to ban draft kings. And we had to go run campaigns in over 20 states to legalize the product. Luckily, fantasy sports is one of those things that regular people who do play it.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There's a reason why sometimes a high profile attack helps you in 10 other campaigns where you actually don't have to attack because they just know that you can or that you will.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Made it a political issue for the governor. Eventually, I had to call over there and say, Look, front page of tomorrow's Wall Street Journal is one of two things. A hot, great insurance startup leaves New York because of corruption and bureaucracy or low-cost insurance launches in New York thanks to governor. You guys pick.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“At you this way, you can't do it, and you can't really launch an insurance company in the US without being able to sell in New York because financial capital of the world. And in this case, the regulators and State Department of Financial Services were just in their kind of very bureaucratic way saying, you know, you'll launch when I say so. And if this is at the bottom of my desk and I don't get to it for nine months, that's your problem. There's nothing you can do about it because I'm the one in charge, which worked until lemonade hired us and we invested and took equity and then all of a sudden we shifted the decision making from the agency to the governor's office.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And it's also why I think we need to be able to have pretty good relationships with the regulator. So I don't think it's a slash and burn strategy here. There are other times where it's just an existential lemonade, for example. It's an insurance startup, it's grown incredibly fast and it provides property and council insurance online and effectively if you have no offices, no brokers, no agents, no Super Bowl ads, and really good tech, you can offer people a much better product for much less money, which is what lemonade does. So it's doing it insanely well because lots of people, and the same with the people who had never really just used taxi world all of a sudden using Uber X, people who just never bothered to get renters insurance now are because they can get it for five or ten bucks a month and they can get it on an app in three minutes. What made it also, by the way, doesn't investigate fraud. They just pay out the claims. So it just makes life a lot easier for everyone all around. But you can't tell insurance without a license. And it's not one of these, like maybe I can beg for forgiveness, I can interpret the state.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I didn't see Skip there. I didn't see Skip. They haven't entered there. But as you have these issues and they come up, this is going to be something that's going to be a continual regulatory. People aren't anticipating what could happen with these things. No.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Not quite the same. It's a different set. Now, look, there are in any given case people who are unreasonable, and we mobilize 10,000 customers to speak out on behalf of a bill. Absolutely. We're totally going to do that.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So we'll get to a lot of other markets a lot faster. And we're already in part here. So you don't have to do your, you know.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, an important thing. Now it'll come back because it is too important to ignore. But it's such a big world out there that right now there's so much to do. And what's interesting is I believe that scooter adoption internationally makes me a lot easier than ride sharing adoption. Because the rest of the world is less carcentric than the US. The rest of the world is already used to different ways to get from point A to point B, whether it's a bike or a rickshaw. I mean, right before I invested in Berta, I happened to be in Tel Aviv, even these people were scooting by me on e-bikes. And I was like, oh, this could probably cut down some traffic in Manhattan. So I think in a weird way, it makes more sense and it's more intuitive to the rest of the world.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and the backlash led to at least one kind of at least temporary ban, which was in San Francisco, where Byrd right now doesn't operate. The city gave out some permits, picked a couple of winners, and Byrd was not one of them. Now, San Francisco, I mean, you'll either totally agree or disagree with this. Almost a two part thing if you're a startup trying to enter that market compared to every other market. So part of it is, you know, it's a reasonably big city, but the Bay Area is really where the heft is. It's not so much the city itself. So it's less about market share and opportunity. It's more around media and VCs, senior product and getting interested in it. Now, Bird doesn't have an exposure problem. Everybody in the tech world knows Bird. What they have now is a city of 800,000 people that they can't operate in.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, there's no laws, or they'll just say, look, we're not opposed to this, but these are valid policy questions. Let's figure it out, right? And to Bird's credit, a lot of what we've been tasked with is, okay, go figure it out with Chicago. Go figure it out with Seattle. But initially, they just dumped. They did. That was a little before we got involved. And there was more of the original Lubric strategy of just dumping. 300.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, but ultimately, it's a different process because you don't have to necessarily beg for forgiveness because there are places where”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, they'll be here soon. So my hope is that by the end of this calendar year we pass it. But Chicago, Philly, Boston, Seattle, seriously, we're not even there. We just passed Miami.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In some places, and then in other places, like here in New York, the law clearly does not allow it. And we're working with the city council right now on legislation that will be introduced.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“All of it. Yeah, where should we locate it? Where should you charge them? Where can you part them? Where should you ride them? Should a helmet be mandatory, age, minimums, all that stuff? Fair questions, right? There are jurisdictions where the law clearly in no way prohibits scooters. And in those cases, there's no reason to not launch and kind of work through that stuff with the local regulators.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And the issues that are involved In fairness to the regulators, or legitimate public policy issues, should we be on the sidewalk, on the bike lane, on the street, helmets, insurance? I mean, they're fair questions, right?”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Taxi was so politically powerful that the only way to beat them was with real people. And the only way to get real people was to launch and gain some market share and then mobilize them. So that was the only conceivable strategy. It's different with Bird because there's no big scooter. So it's not like we're not really disrupting anybody”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So if Uber didn't take the path, I believe it's my strategy, so of course I'm defending them. But if we didn't take the path that we took, there wouldn't be an Ubert together. Remember that thing? It was kind of a cool idea, didn't make it.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Both really, really fast growing companies, both CEOs named Travis, Travis at Bird worked at Uber. And the reality is in some ways they're similar, but in many ways they're different. So my vantage point is the political and regulatory strategy around legalization different markets. With Uber, it was pretty much an all-beg for forgiveness approach”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Kind of Yeah. So it's really interesting because Bird, the easy narrative for some people is to say bird is Uber 2.0. Right.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We're here with Bradley Tusk. He is the CEO of Tusk Holdings. He's a venture capitalist, former campaign manager Mike Bloomberg. He's been all over politics, which that's not an insult, but kind of is. Kind of is. And he's the author of a new book called The Fixer. And it's all about saving startups from politics, which they have now been dragged into on lots of levels, social levels, you know, issues around free speech, everything else. Let's start, though, with the local stuff. Right now a lot of these companies like Airbnb and Uber and now Bird, which is a scooter company, and the others Lime and Skip and what else is there? There's so many of them. There's like a lot of them. Multibillion dollar valuations for these things. Uber's investing in them and stuff like that. So talk a little bit about where we are on those. Because talk about your experience with birds, for example.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“If he becomes a guy, he's going to become governor. Out front on On all kinds of issues. My kids find the image on the cover a little creepy.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. You're splitting it between local and sort of national and stuff like that. And so in the next section, I do want to talk about that. I want to go through some of these things. I want to start with local so that we can figure out where that's going, because a lot of these fights are local now and statewide. But they then they morph into national. Because, for example, California has passed a lot of laws, and I think Gavin Newsom's going to run a country, a separate country, and run it as if it's, you know what I mean? If he becomes guy, he's going to become governor. But Telford already is out front on privacy regulation out front on energy, out front, on all kinds of issues, especially big to tech, you know, diversity, net neutrality, and stuff like that. So I want to talk about the local thing first, and then in the end, talk about sort of where we are nationally, because I do think big regulations coming for tech as we move along. We're here with Bradley Tusk. He has a new book out called The Fixer, which has an evil connotation, but he has done a lot of work for startups and politics.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Ignore you. The reason why, you know, we'd win these Uber fights would be a city council member who wins his or her seat with 9,000 votes and getting 14,000 emails from constituents in the district saying, don't do this. Okay, I'm not going to do this, right? So if you can't figure out how to frame your issue in that context You have a really big problem”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So back to your thing. But anyway, you want to give them some. So if I'm listening to this podcast and I'm a startup, I'm trying. Whatever your issue is, if you're going to disrupt anyone with political power, they're going to come after you. They don't think you fear a disruption. They don't say, oh, it's so wonderful that you're so innovative. Punch you in the nose as hard as they can. And the politicians that they don't eat money to, it's in their interest to take care of their donors unless you make it so unpalatable and so comfortable that they can't afford to do it.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But just like this would be an easy solution to show the voters that I did something, but it's not going to work, so therefore I'm not going to do it.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The day to day would be enough people who do vote are frustrated and upset by the amount of homeless on the streets. And they say, do something, right? And that leads to people taking action. It's interesting that the mayor in this case has actually said this is not the right way to go, which is...”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The attention they get in that job is like oxygen for you or me. We can't live without oxygen. They can't live without it, which means all of their decisions are going to be very logical in the sense of does this help me win my next election or not, right? Whatever you want them to do or not do has to be framed in that context or they're not going to care. It doesn't matter how moral you are, how right your issue is or how many puppies you're going to save”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The leader, the listener. The one lesson to take away from this is 99.9% of politicians are desperately insecure, self-loving people who can't look very.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Want them getting away, which it is tech lash. Yeah, I don't want them flumped in with Facebook, but they are and Twitter. They are sometimes, and that makes my job harder. So one of the things you do is go in this book, you go through ideas about, you know, politics. It turns out you can fight City Hall, pick your narrative for someone else does. Subtlety died long before Twitter. People want to be led. It's all fun and game. So the idea is trying to teach people politics, right? Yeah.”
2018-10-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'The Fixer' author Bradley Tusk · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT