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Brent Beshore

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“You get older and you get better at hiding your motivations, right? And you end up wrapping them sometimes consciously, sometimes unconsciously in. These maybe good packages, but the reality was it was like I was demanding control. I was demanding. Care. I was demanding people to see me and sort of praise me. And so how do I do that on a daily basis? And by the way, this is not like a victory declared or whatever. I mean, this is like an ongoing battle, I would say, on an hour-by-hour, minute-by-minute basis, is I can tell so quickly, am I operating out of fear or love? And the test is, do I have peace or not? Am I anxious or not? And when I'm anxious and fearful, and when I have a tendency to catastrophize the future,”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Hierarching. The problem is, it's got all kinds of contaminants in it, and you eventually torture yourself and the car breaks down and you go off the rails and blow yourself up, whatever analogy you want to use. And so getting back to the original question, like what's changed? Like, I think that more and more I'm trying to operate on clean fuel. I'm trying to be self-unconcerned. I'm trying to become an elder.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Everything is a battle. Everything's a battle. Everything's about competition And believe me, that's when I am at my worst. That's who I am. And by the way, the world loves my false self. Incredible amount done in that time. A friend of mine calls it clean fuel versus dirty fuel. Like it's very difficult to see the car looks like the car from the outside, very difficult to understand. Is it clean fuel or dirty fuel that's operating the car? And I can, I mean, that car can go fast. It can take a lot of people with it if I'm on dirty fuel. In some ways, dirty fuel is a, for me, I'd learned through my life to be, it's a more potent fuel in the short term for me. Like, I get more stuff done quicker. And usually even sometimes with higher excellence out of dirty fuel than I do clean fuel. That fear is like a tech of it.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm living in fear and shame and hiding. And so it's like, I think that's the thing that we're really talking about here is like these are all even like maybe the second tier down or the third tier down. Like at the basement of all this stuff, at the very core of all this stuff is there are really only two ways to live. Going to live out of fear, or you're going to live out of genuine love and care for others. And love and care for yourself. And like, that's it, like everything else rises between those two, like fear driven is scarce. It is the way of the world. It is a famous author in the 70s. She said that nature is read in tooth and claw, right? It's like this idea that it's like there's nothing but you're either going to be a predator or you're going to be prey.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, you get the old alligator arms, you know. And so now it's like the inverse of that. And I think this is like a good metaphor for life. Like I think that the more that I meet what I would call elders. So there's a difference between elders and elderly. Elderly are like self-focused in curve Blaze Pascal would call it in curvature, right? They're in curved on themselves. They're irritable. Life is all about them and what they need and they're scared and fearful. Then you got elders who are the inverse of this, right? Who are outwardly focused, right? The more I meet these types of elders that are like genuinely caring and loving, the more that I see them exhibiting this type of behavior. The more that I see them no matter their circumstance, in good circumstances or in bad circumstances, they live with a joy and a lightness and a freedom. And then you see Elder Lee. And sort of now I can pull it back and see in my life that no matter my circumstances,”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, exactly, and vice versa, right? If I did buy the meal, it was a little bit like, you start playing with ideas in your head. Oh, am I only a checkbook? People really like me, and it's like, well, you're the one who insisted on buying dinner. And you're like, well, but the other person could have insisted on buying dinner more, you know?”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I didn't feel love either way. If somebody else bought a meal, I would feel frustrated and sort of irritable about it. And they took something away from me.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I went on an apology tour after I had that realization to a lot of people. And I said, hey, I'm really sorry I did this to you. And of course, people are kind of caught off guard because I don't even think they realize it. But when I said it to him, they were like, yeah, thank you. And so now like my close friends. We have this understanding, and oftentimes I still am able to buy lunch or dinner or whatever. Because I enjoy it and they know I enjoy it. Like, I love hospitality. I love to be a provision and provide care for people. It's like a core part of my personality. But sometimes they say thank you, but no thank you. And you know what? I feel super loved in that. I feel super lucky. So the cool part is before.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Can't be you helping somebody and never needing help. Because then again, it's the exact same principle. You're creating sort of a hero victim dynamics, a power dynamics in any relationship are super sensitive. And where we have best relationships where we're on equal footing, different but equal, right? So I always think about it as like, you know, the X-Men or whatever, you know, you have everyone's got different powers, but everyone can fight the battles together, right? And you respect the other's opinion, right? You respect the other person's skills and talents. But if somebody is always the one who can shoot laser beams and, you know, blow stuff up and make stuff happen, and the other person is just, oh, thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you for helping me. It's not a real friendship.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“This is different. I would always be the one who would be eager to help but rarely ask for help. And again, that destroys relationships. There's not just, there's no way to have a real relationship with somebody unless it's bidirectional.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It all comes down to we can't go wrong if we're in deep relationship with somebody and we are respecting what their needs are. If somebody asks me for help, you're not a hero if somebody asks you for help and you rise to meet the need. That's called being good friend. Where you become a hero and you create victims is when you don't know somebody, don't know their needs. They never asked you to do something and you rise to meet a need they don't have and in turn you take away agency and dignity from them. So it's things like that that, I mean, these are these are deep waters, right? These are things that are challenging, stuff that we don't talk about a lot, but this is the stuff that I've like, it's been a joy and it's been awful in some ways to explore the stuff in me and to see how frequently I am engaging in this maladaptive behavior under the name of goodness and virtue and all these things that we tell ourselves.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There's a great book out there called When Helping Hurts. And afterwards, actually somebody gave it to me and I read it. And I mean, you talk about being cut deeply. It's a book about when you try to help and it hurts people. It's one of the best books I've ever read on sort of philanthropy and how to think about caring for those who you don't have a relationship with. And I think that's the bottom line is”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Do you not love me? Why do these other people care more for me than you do? Kids don't understand how money works. They don't understand how some people have more and some people have less. They don't understand anything about that. And so what I'd inadvertently done when I was trying to be kind and generous. I didn't put myself in the position to understand what the real consequences were going to be, the second, third order consequences. Yeah, a kid would have had less toys to play with at Christmas. Not the point of Christmas. I missed the plot. The point of Christmas is to show love and care, and in doing what I did I short circuited the ability for those families to experience love and care. And I hurt them.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“She was like, it was really good. You know, everyone was grateful, you know, whatever. There's a few people who had some challenges Challenges with us giving gifts? She said, Well, some of the parents of the kids were felt really insulted by it. And then it hit me, and I even like, man, I'm trying not to get emotional about it. It like it hit, it cut me so deeply because I realized what I'd done. We had done my wife and I had done we had Of those families And yeah, they couldn't buy their kids' Christmas gifts. They were going to do something for them, whatever they could do for them. And instead, like any kid, you give a kid a present. Kid's like amazing, you know, but then it started asking all kinds of questions well, why can't you buy me that present?”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“If we did this dramatic act, and anonymously, of course, we bought like thirty thousand dollars worth of Christmas gifts for like every kid in that school. And in our heads, we were like, this is amazing. This is wonderful These kids, you know, you can imagine the kids who were like, oh, we wouldn't have had Christmas, but now we have Christmas. And wow, somebody cares for us and loves us. Like, that's what we were hoping to have done. And so we did it. And the response from the small group of people that knew about it was like, this is incredible. You all are so generous. Pat, pat pat, pat, pat, pat, pat, pat on the back. We're feeling great. We're in the Christmas spirit. Oh, what joy, you know, all this stuff. And then it was about a month later, and I followed up with the teacher. And I was just like, hey, how did that go?”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's where we're constantly chewing on and assessing our environments. A great example of this, and this is not a close personal relationship, I remember my wife and I won Christmas. We had a public school teacher who we knew and gotten to be friends with. And we were kind of sitting around the dinner table one night and she was sharing. She was like, it's heartbreaking. She's like, you know, these kids around Christmas that I work with and it's a particularly poor school district. You know, they don't have any Christmas presents. They don't need Christmas. Like, there's no joy. And it really touched my wife and I. We were like, wow.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Five out of five or six out of six times, it has been met with initial, oh man, thank you so much. Like this is incredible. Wow, I'm like blown away at your generosity. And I'm like, oh, I got all the good feelings. And then I end up not having a very good relationship with those people. And it shocks me. And it almost feels like a slap in the face. Like, how could they do that? How could they not be better friends with me as a result of this? And then when I started doing these sessions and started working with her, it became clear this like, oh, heroes create victims because you're removing all agency from them. And you are telling them that they can't help themselves, that they are helpless. And when you do that, you are creating somebody who is diminished and insulted. Now, again, in the moment, that's not how it feels.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And so buying dinner is like a very small example of this. And I've got, you know, unfortunately, a lot of bigger examples of this. I probably have really engaged in, I would say, dramatic heroics five or six times in my life where I perceive somebody was in grave danger. They needed my help. And I sprung into action and did this dramatic thing for this other person. And, you know, in my head, the thing I'm going to get is, oh, thank you so much, Brent. You're amazing. I'm so grateful for you. Now, if you hear even the thoughts in my head, it's all about me. So it's actually not about the other person. Yes, I can justify it based on the other person, but really it's about me.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Correct in kind of psychology circles, there's this idea of a triangle where you have a victim and a hero and like a judge or a prosecutor. And heroes are those who are, without knowing the good, like they tell themselves that they want to do good for other people. And what they're really doing, and by the way, I relate very strongly to this. This is a lot of action that I see myself having done and do is to cover up my own shame and insecurities and sort of to push down the pain that I feel. It's like, well, I'm going to go external and go try to help somebody almost against their will. They didn't ask me to help. Or if they did ask me to help, my response to them is so outsized that it removes agency from them.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, what I say only if I mean it, by the way. Sometimes I don't say this, but if I don't mean it, I won't say it now. I say it would give me great pleasure. I would enjoy being able to buy dinner tonight. But if you don't want me to buy dinner, I will respect your choice. I give them the choice. And sometimes I buy dinner and sometimes I don't. But if they say nope, I want to buy dinner tonight. I say, okay, thank you.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We're designed for a relationship, like we need one another. No one is an island. No one is self reliant, right? We need one another.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I was like, yeah, I do force a lot of relationships. Again, this is only like five months ago, right? Like, force a lot of relationships into these boxes where it's like, I want you to be in my box. I tell myself because I can provide great hospitality or because I can do these interesting things, right? And I'm caring for them well. And generally, sometimes, and I suspect the same for you, those are real motivations, but we are this mixed bag. And I think that's what I've realized is like we hook the good and the bad together and then we do things that come off to other people very differently and confuse and frustrate and constrain. And it's really hard for somebody to be frustrated at a friend who's always buying them lunch or dinner or whatever it might be. So what it does is it builds up resentment and frustration in the other, and they don't even understand, right? Like we're all confused. It's very hard to see ourselves clearly. We can see each other clearly, right? We can't see ourselves clearly. I think that we're designed like that.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and by the way, those motivations are, I think, real and true. They aren't bad. But she said, yeah, I wouldn't be your friend. And I remember just being rocked by it. Like, you wouldn't be my friend. She goes, I was like, why? Like, totally broke my paradigms. And she said, because in a friendship, in a real relationship, you cede control of the other person. The other person concedes control to you. It's not you're always controlling the whole point of a friendship is that you can trust and you can be vulnerable and you can seed control. And so paying the bill is merely just a form of control that you're exerting over your friends. And I remember being like, oh crap. Absolutely right. And she goes, Yeah, and I suspect it's not just paying the bill. You like to have your environment, you like to have your way of doing things.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, you got to go on. And so, anyway, through this series of sessions, and I mean, I've done a lot now, like probably 25 or 30 of these now, three-hour sessions, so a lot of tim Four or five months ago, out of the blue, seemingly unconnected. We were talking about friendship. And my counselor said, do you always pay? And I said, Yeah, of course I was paying. She was like, hmm. Out of the last hundred times that you shared a meal with somebody, how many times did you pay? And I was like, like a hundred. And she kind of sat back and I was kind of proud of myself, right? I'm a good person. I pay for the bill. I care about people, right? This is like the thing I told myself in my head.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No idea that somebody of that caliber, national, international quality caliber was in Columbia, Missouri, I started going to her and doing these three hour sessions and dredging up things I didn't even know was there that were all connected to the behaviors. If you think about like the way that I think about it now is like we have these we have these behaviors that other people can see and that we can kind of measure, right? Am I doing good or am I not doing good? The reality is there's so many layers underneath that though that are influencing that behavior, right? Like, oh, something terrible happened and I really don't feel anything. That's weird, right? Or something very small happened, and I'm triggered into this spiral. That's weird. And what I would do in the past is I would just kind of like shove it down, right?”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“She said, I've got these kids and whatever, and I live in Columbia, Missouri. He's Columbia, Missouri. What? He said one of my best friends lives in Columbia, Missouri. I live in Columbia, Missouri. And so he said, Brent, I'm telling you, like, you have to go see this person. And it was right around this time that I felt like I hit rock bottom in my awareness of my own brokenness and how I didn't really see a path forward. Like I kept like sitting in this dismal state where you're like aware of how messy everything is, but there's no way to clean it up. And all the self-help stuff, like none of it works. Like at least for me, like I can only speak N of one here, but like, you know, the self-reliant thing doesn't work. And so he said, hey, I think you should meet with her. And I was like, man, this is a true godsend.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Shut down, shut off again very protective, self-protective. And he came out of that week, like changed, like distinctively different. Remember thinking to myself, wow, I don't know what happened there. That's incredible. He'd worked with this woman the whole week and he was like, you changed my life. Like, this is incredible. Like, how, you know, first of all, I never be able to repay you. Thank you. I don't know anything about you. Who are you”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“See here about two years ago, maybe a little less than two years ago. I had a friend who was going through some really tough times and personally, professionally, and a mentor of his said, hey, you got to go to this intensive counseling retreat. He kind of reluctantly, he's not a touchy feely, he's a finance guy. This is voodoo. Yeah, this is not, exactly. This is ooey, gooey, squishy stuff is not his ballgame. And I watched him go into that hard and hardened and just sort of like.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They were, as a result, mostly as a result of me. I mean, yes, other people's brokenness too, mostly a result of me, but I didn't have any healing in it. I didn't know how to get healing. And that season was just an awareness building season, looking back on that. But it's awful if you gain awareness without healing, it's way worse than not being aware.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And that I've heard people that I care about. That was the choice that I had to make. And I remember very clearly saying, okay, I surrender and I want to know. And then things started to change ever so slowly. I mean, there's a weird dip that occurs. I feel like when you, you know, when you go from denial to awareness, it's actually way worse. So like the awareness of your faults and awareness of your shortcomings without the healing of those is actually puts you in a far worse position. And so I would say that sort of the period of time from three years ago to two years ago was horrible. Like it was not a year of joy, in fact, of anything. It felt like harder. My relationships felt more strained. And I think it was because I was becoming acutely aware of how broken.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Can't you know me? You don't know anything about me. And it was like, I remember having this very distinct choice to make. And I remember being like, if I continue on the path that I'm on that would have denied this idea of self-promotion and self-protection, right? That's what our false self wants us to do. Go around self-promote, self-protect, because then we don't have to really be vulnerable. Now we also are shut down and we can't have great relationships. We can't figure out the real sort of us that comes through. But that was the choice. And I remember kind of, it was an act of surrender of being like, I have to take the risk that I'm going to take a look at myself and I'm not going to like myself very much. I'm going to admit things to myself that are ugly and that I've done more wrong maybe than I'm willing to admit.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't want to sit here and pretend it's like self reliance is the thing that got me through. This period in my life because it felt like it happened to me. And it happened for me. It didn't feel like that I somehow figured out like. The world outsmarted my shame and fear. It felt like I had these sort of people be put into my life and these revelations that started to occur that all of a sudden, I mean, I think there's an old adage that like when the student is ready, the teacher appears, right? And I think there's very much, there's a choice I had to make. Three years ago, it was like, Am I going to pretend? Like everything's fine because that's what everything in me, that's what my false self wanted to do. No, screw you. You're wrong. You don't know what you're talking about. Who are you? You just met me”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“How should it be? And am I willing to settle for an interior life filled with anxiety and shame and fear? Am I willing to settle for a marriage where things are being hidden and there's disconnection and division, right? Am I willing to settle for friendships that maybe don't go that last 10% and create that really meaningful deep connection? Am I willing to settle for a physical body that is overweight and out of shape and likely going to become diseased? And so I think that was a major moment. And then that led into really finding these different people who've shaped and changed my life, including an incredible counselor who I started working with and bringing to the surface a lot of these issues that I didn't even know were there. Yeah, I mean, I look back on the person I was even three years ago and I was certainly far better than I was 10 years prior, but I was compared to sort of where I was now. I felt very shut down.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We were doing fine. Like, we were probably right in the middle of the ballpark. I think what this person did for me was Open my eyes to Out there, there's a lot more possibilities that I didn't know.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, we have our challenges, but we get along. And, you know, compared to where it is today, I would say it was like a two. didn't know you know i think about this idea of you know everything's relative so like Seen, you know, you ask somebody who's Only eating at fast Your fast So, you know, the question we have to ask ourselves. We have to compare it to, and are we talking about relative or an absolute terms? And to be honest, I don't think I had been exposed. To In marriages I had not seen I was”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Like, sure. And he said, Hey, can I speak truth into your life? And he said I see a lot of shame in you. I see a lot of fear in you. And I worry that that's dramatically negatively impacting a lot of your relationships. It was more in depth than that. I mean, we talked for another probably 20, 30 minutes about what he saw. I just try to take a posture. I mean, initially, when somebody says something like that to you, like cuts you, right? Yeah, how dare you? Great relationships, you know, you've known me for a long time now. We were talking about this at least 10 years, if not more. I wouldn't have said six or seven years ago that I had bad relationships. I would have. Really good relationships. If you'd ask me how my marriage was five years ago, I would have said, oh, I guess six or six.”
2024-06-11 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“My marriage has changed a lot. My inner life has changed a lot. My physical outer life has changed a lot. Ironically, the business has not changed a lot. Interesting how the different seasons do and don't overlap, but there's been a lot of changes about how I approach work that have changed, but the actual work itself has not changed. Let's dive into that. What's changed in your marriage? What's changed in your exercise? Let's tackle exercise first. Yeah, well, I think maybe all of it is Connected to a walk I went on gosh, I'm probably pushing now three years ago. There's a gentleman on this walk who was at like a small gathering of people in Colorado. He kind of picked me out. It was like 40 or 50 people in the crowd and afterwards he said, hey, hey, can I kind of go on a walk with you?”
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