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Brewster Kahle

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“$28 million is the Library of Congress, maybe 100 million total. But if you take a Yale, a Princeton, or a Boston Public Library, it's about $10 million. We've digitized.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Some may, some, you know, all we can do is to collect it and make it easily available. What's exciting to me is not only can we now see that there are these separate worlds, but also we could see across universes. We can see across these collections. And hopefully we start to build mechanisms for those that want to be elucidated, but everybody says they do, but often they just want their biases reconfirmed. But for those that want to be able to see the broader picture, let's make it easy to. Because right now, if you have time-based media, like even this podcast, it just sort of flows over. But how do you go to make it a referenceable...”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What popped and for whom, so what popped for Fox News was completely different than what popped for MSNBC. What you see out of this is what we know anecdotally, that people live in very cloistered, separate universes. Our little echo chambers within themselves so that they don't even see the world the same way. The world, if they put on glasses, media glasses, they see a completely different universe.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We went and recorded four channels. From each of 20 battleground areas And the idea is to then find all of the political ads? And then say, when did they run? How often did they run and expose them to fact checkers like PolitiFact that then went and did fact checking? And we made this available to journalists, mostly or bloggers, to really understand. That's political ad archive. We even went further than that. We took the debates And did audio fingerprinting on it and found where did quotes from that appear in other stations post.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I don't know. This is the only one that's sort of at this scale. We've been recording 60 channels 24 hours a day from 25 countries. And around this election.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, no, no, no. Here it is. And so this brings me to another collection. We started collecting television in the year 2000. Right.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What we try to do is if people saw it before, they can see it again. Because if you just refer back to things, if you can't quote. What happened before, then you can't do compare and contrast. And as kid, as I've got kids in college, that's what thinking critically is. So you have to be able to quote what happened, compare and contrast. And there's certain things like the web that could just be taken away from you.”
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“Let's weave it into society so that basically you have a it's as easy to search the library as it is to search the current web. Wouldn't that be great? So we get about three to four million users every day. We're about the 300th most popular website, according to Walax Internet. So it's popular. A lot of people want older materials.”
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“We do pretty well with most of them And we're trying to now expand it further. I mean, with the change in administration, it really sort of is a wake-up call to go and say, gosh, it's really time to make sure that there are copies in other places. So we're working with others to make this happen”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The Wayback machine, or sort of all of the internet archive, actually lives in a couple of places. There's a copy in San Francisco. We bought a church and converted a church into our and made it into a library. And there's a copy also in Richmond, California, a partial copy in Alexandria, Egypt, really, at the new Library of Alexandria, and a partial copy in Amsterdam.”
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“If we allow those that control the present to control the past, then they control the future. That's George Orwell. So we need to know what came before. And because the web flips on and off, actually most of the best of the web is already off the web. So whole newspapers go away. Actually, countries blink on and off. So if we want to know what happened 10 years ago, 20 years ago, it's often the only record. Now we're trying to get it so it's woven back into the web. So we've gone through, there's a robot that some volunteers made to go on all of the Wikipedia outbound links that now are broken. If they're in the wayback machine, they're fixed So there are now one million links in the Wikipedia that now are good.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We get to the website. So there's the Wayback machine that we've been building and it's been growing at about half a billion pages every week So it is huge. We work at the Library of Congress. There are about a thousand librarians that help curate the collection. And it's a record of our tim”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Trump website, even though it's been offline since 2007, or the 2012 presidential Trump website also pops up, or Hillary Clinton's When she was in the Senate. So you can search to find the websites that you're looking for and then find your way into it. You can't find a page. With the search engine, we're not that good”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And type in a URL. Oh, and there's a new feature that we came out with just two weeks ago. You can search it. So you can go and search. You can click on the, if you go to archive.org, go to the Wayback Machine page. It'll be so everybody does it, but you have to click now to go and say search. And then you can say, for instance, Trump for president. And if you do that, you can get to see the 2008.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So we started by archiving the wide web the most. Ephemeral of media A web page lasts about 100 days before it's either changed or deleted. That's the average life of a webpage. So the web is not a reliable structure. So we said, okay, why don't we just archive it? And we made this thing called...”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We knew this was covered. So we have to go and photograph them, get the words out of them, OCR them, and then also work with the copyright issue.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Everything ever published by humankind. So if you take all of the books, The music, all the video, all the web pages, all the software. And if you count it up and actually turns out to be quite manageable, the Library of Congress is the largest library by far. It's got about 28 million books. A book is about a megabyte. 28 million megabytes is 28 terabytes. Well, that fits on four hard drives you can buy at Best Buy for less than a month's rent. So at least storing it. If you had it in sort of Word in Microsoft Word form, is, you know. Completely manageable by. Current computer days.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“To build a library itself of everything for real. And so when you're going to talk about that in the next section. So what I want to do is just get before we break what everything, what do you mean by everything”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So every day Alexa Internet donates a copy of the web collection that it's been building. Forever to the Internet Archive. So, in 2002, yes, 2002, I moved to the Internet Archive. And the idea is to try to build the library for real.”
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“And he said, well, six months. Well, that's, I'm not sure about the time, but I'm okay with that. And he's been true to that.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And when the acquisition was going through, or actually Jeff Bezos said, why don't we buy this? I was like, I tried that with AOL. Didn't work out all that well. He said, well, how do we make this work? I said, well, let's run it as a separate company. And he was true to that. So now 17 years later, it's still run as a separate company. And I said that there's also this funny thing. It's a contract to donate everything to a nonprofit.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It was a new way. It was based on how people moved through the And it turned out that the search engine guys actually scaled much better than I thought they would. So Alexa Internet is now used mostly as sort of a metrics company. Or helping people debug their. But it was bought by Amazon in 1999. Mm-hmm. And what we did something interesting, we started a nonprofit at exactly the same day. And there's a contract buried in the soul of Alexa Internet to donate a copy of everything it collects. The internet archive with a six month time delay”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, they use the name for that. Alexa Internet still exists as a company that was to try to catalog the web. So it archive the whole web and it's trying to be a”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We haven't But that's we're starting to get people excited. That you can turn to your machine and not just ask questions and have it be kind of, you know, based on Wikipedia, but based on the depth of all of the libraries and all of what's been done.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's a huge idea, but it's actually coming about. In fact, if you ask most people, they say, isn't it all there now? I mean, isn't that what Google is? Haven't they digitized all the books? And the answer is no.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The other plays in Europe. Not just one, it really wasn't a fire It was that Yeah, that's kind of the myth. It basically decayed because people didn't want universal knowledge anymore. There were alternative ideas with basically it was the Christians that basically went and said, well, you know, this is the way of truth. There's a wonderful movie called Agora. Sort of about late stage Library of Alexandria That sort of shows sort of, you know, times change. And the idea of having a universal access was a Greek ideal. Not what we had for the Middle Ages.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes. So the Library of Alexandria 300 BC is best known for not being here anymore. That is just completely destroyed. If they'd made another copy and put it into China and made it or into India, we'd have the other works of Aristotle.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Came from. Yes, Alexa, the name Alexa is named after the library of Alexandria. Right. So it was meant to be the, that was in 1980. I'm sort of the last phase of the... Of the optimistic utopian 60s thing. 1980, walking back and forth, trying to cross the Charles River, trying to figure out how do you use technology to build something really pretty great. And the idea of putting everything online and making a library of everything was actually promised for a long time. Oh, we're going to have the Library of Congress on our desk or something like that. So I said, how hard could that be? So I joined the AI lab at MIT to develop chips so we could build this. And Danny Hillis had. An idea how to build a super computer built that could actually scale to the size of the library of everything.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It didn't have to be that way. No, it didn't. I think AOL was dealing with hypergrowth at that point. And they were just trying to keep the thing together at all.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes. Well, AOL changed track. Instead of going and thinking, well, how do we go and reimburse and encourage authors and publishers? They said, maybe they should charge for people to get to their eyeballs. If you remember those terrible days, let's talk about eyeballs. And sticky eyeballs, right? We really want a sticky eyeballs. It was a particularly dark period of internet development. And it really turned to being an ad-based system. At that point, I knew that that wasn't really the place.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Ways, Gopher, and FTP So there were these different systems at that time until sort of the dominant one sort of won out, which was the World Wide Web.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The linking. So mosaic, which was the first sort of modern web browser before Netscape, Mosaic was called mosaic because it was made up of the web.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The way is lost out to the web. So Waze was an open system for going and doing client server interactions over the internet. And the web was just better. I mean, it was easier to play with, but it had some. Failings to it, but the wonder of it is it works so well and so easy to use”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That was the idea. And it's how books worked. But it's not how magazines and TV work. They worked with ads. And I didn't like ads. I don't think it's a winner takes all system. It makes for monopolies. But you can have in a royalty-based system. You can have a distributed system of lots of different authors, lots of different venues for getting things out there. There's no necessary.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The wonderful thing about AOL at that time is they had a business model that paid authors. They took 15% of the money that they got paid by subscribers and put it upstream in a royalty system. And I like the royalty system rather than ads.”
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“After Ways basically lost out to the World Wide Web, we ended up going to centralized places like Google or Altavista or Go or something.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It required thinking the computers were going to be smart, that they were going to be able to interact on our terms. Also, that we were going to have These computers that weren't just going to be last to the mainframe in your Company that they were going to reach out Onto the network. So that was something we could see coming because of my background at MIT and ARPANET and the like. The next thing was to me ask questions of multiple places at once. And so you could ask questions of lots of places. Because the answers were out there. The answers were out there. And that we hadn't seen basically put back.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Boston, and then I moved out to San Francisco because the thought was that San Francisco was going to be where the internet was going to happen. Right. So in 1989 moved out, did a project with Apple, KPMG Pete Marwick, Dow Jones.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I help put a bunch of folks online like Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Encyclopedia Britannica, to try to anchor the open world. It wasn't a closed world, kind of like, well, what AOL was doing or what you sold your customers?”
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“Yeah, I know. Yeah. Never name your thing an acronym. But the idea was to make everyone into a publisher. And this was kind of a radical idea in 1989. And it came along and it came before Gopher and before the World Wide Web. But the web being open and really easy also to publish into made it so that the search and publishing all sort of merged into the World Wide Web.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I started a company called Thinking Machines, which was or helped start a company. There was a supercomputer company, and we made it so that we could build computers that could search, well, Everything. And so we did that. And then there was this, we found that we needed something to distribute it over. So there was this ARPANET idea. And so we basically put the first search engines on the Called Ways, Wider Information Service. It was the first publishing system.”
2017-03-01 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Brewster Kahle, chairman, The Internet Archive · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, one of the ideas of this internet was to try to build the library of everything. We do that. And just, okay, yeah, we actually could technically, but there's a bunch of pieces missing. One we had to get publishing online. So I don't know, a bunch of us worked on that before there was the World Wide Web”
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