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  1. It is a totally different world we're living in. And so I think, yeah, the macro piece of like why a company like us can seed major technology shifts around where the innovation is coming from, huge geopolitical shifts. And then the consolidation of the existing industrial base with the bad incentives has led to an erosion of capacity. And so you combine all these things together and you're like, the conditions were sort of set for us to be successful. Yes. Yeah. They don't think we could have done it five years or later. It would be too late. Five years earlier probably would have been too early. It wouldn't have worked. I think we were in this like two to three year window where we could ride all those waves correctly.

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  2. We can just take the best things that are there, the best models. Yeah, exactly. So riding these tech waves has been a huge part of it, and that is the macro shift that occurred where the department hasn't reconciled yet, which is like the innovation is much more coming from the commercial world. So it becomes being the best adopter. It is no longer these 10-year tech roadmaps that the department controls. Yes, exactly.

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  3. And then just being the fastest to integrate and understand how to utilize these technologies becomes the advantage. Same with AI, it was like, we don't do AI model research We don't need to

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  4. Yeah. Equipment. You're 100% right. And this has been a big part of our strategy on this has been like, we are leaning into everywhere where there's commercial investment and so many of the things that historically have been like defense exclusive are no longer the case. Totally. One of the examples of this is we built this electronic warfare system. It's really cool. It's a jammer senses, jams, radio signals. If we did that five years ago, 10 years ago, you would have custom tape out chips. It's hundreds of millions. It's a huge thing. So only government funded things did it. There's not a really slow cycle. Well, now with all the 5G tech.

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  5. Really flip the narrative. Yeah. And I would say the evolution of the sort of primitives for technology has actually advanced. The opportunity big time, right? So, like Of the dollars that would go to something like an aircraft carrier, which is untouchable for a startup.

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  6. Like, this stuff is iconic. People want to work on these things. And so I think it just really mobilized people who really cared about this. And then you have a ton of vets who are leaving the military and just want to solve problems that they encountered And so you just have all these kind of ton of interest in working on it, now a ton of capital because they've seen our success. They know it can be done. And then just the social normalization of the whole thing really flipped the narrative

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  7. So, I think a lot of engineers grew up looking at Skunk Works and seeing the SR71 Blackbird. All these wild things that the US was able to pull off, that was your inspiration growing up as an engineer.

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  8. Okay, this is succeeding. It's actually okay. Everyone's been told it's okay. And then there was this catalyzing event around Ukraine. And then I think on the why so many defense tech startups, it's like, look, this stuff is, I think it's very important work. It's also as an engineer, just some of the hardest and most interesting problems you're going to work. Yeah.

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  9. Like the mainstream VC funds were saying, no, we're doing this, this is important. I know Mark put out posts on it at the time. And so I think that was like the snowball then of.

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  10. Crass take is that Silicon Valley is like quite memetic, the VC world as well. And once the mainline funds like you guys founders fund, general catalyst all came out and said we're doing this and like our valuation was high enough. Then everyone was like.

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  11. You just didn't need to do it again. It seems even before the stuff we were just talking about in Starting a company in defense was extremely unpopular. And when you talk about what do you need to succeed as a startup, there's so many things, but capital, talent, relationships with customers, like all of those things are way, way harder or were way, way harder in defense. In 2017. And in fact, radioactive for some in 2017. You know, a lot of the engineers and things, there's like religiously opposed Now it seems that there's this whole new versioning interest in defense startups, and we have an American dynamism fund, and lots of people are interested. How did that happen? Because it seemed to happen a little bit before Ukraine, too.

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  12. I know that Think you have to do both, right? So you've got to say, look, yeah, we need a warp speed for autonomous systems or weapons. We need that, right? That's a no-brainer that we need to have. And in doing that, you can tease out what are those things that you cut and everything worked out fine. And you just didn't need to do it again. And then in parallel, you do the painful and slow process of just shacking back all these bureaucratic things that exist. I think you got to do something right and use that as a template. And so these sort of like things that prove you can be successful, do more of them, go at bigger scale, while also cutting back all the nonsense on things that just don't need to exist anymore. They made sense at the time. Now let's revert walk back and reset where we actually need to be for where we are. Like tech has changed. The pace has changed. Reflect that in your process.

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  13. If we create really empowered people to actually field stuff, you will get amazing results because there are really good people in the government. It's just there are 10 times as many people who say no as there are to people who are accountable for

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  14. Give them a budget, give them a target, and they have to understand the risk. They have to do all this, but they're going to make informed choices on risk and cost and schedule and performance trade-offs. Yeah. Like, that's their job. That's what we're hiring them to do.

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  15. It is the opposite of how it works in the Pentagon, where every time something has gone wrong, a new process and a new office has been added to check the homework and say no. And they saw progress out. And so I think there's relatively simple things that can be done with some combination of congressional action and executive action to flip that on its head, say, nope, these program offices are fully empowered to field their capabilities and they are just accountable to senior leaders on the risk and trade-offs. And that's it.

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  16. It's a crazy small number. And even the small numbers are pretty big, but you really need to up this. So number one is make the hard choices to drive redirection of resources into the technologies that are actually going to be what you need, right? Where they're so stuck with these legacy costs. Number two is every company in the world gets this, which is you need to empower good people to run hard at a problem and put all the things that they need to do it and all the approvals and all of that under their command to just get to yes and yes. It's very simple, right? This is how every company operates. And that is how you are successful. Just empower good leaders to get results and hold them accountable.

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  17. Goes back to there's no reinforcing. And so look, I think a lot of the traditional players are like patriots and they really care, but it's like they're in a system that doesn't encourage them, support them, or even, I kind of boil it down to like two key things. One is meaningful redirection of resources. So right now, the amount of money that's actually spent on capabilities like the types of things we're working on is somewhere between 0.1 and 0.2% of the defense budget. That seems pretty loud. Even if we got to 2%, 2% We are like in a wildly different world in terms of what you can do with that type of money

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  18. World has changed in four years, yeah. Like, what good is happening? And so I think there's a problem, but then the government doesn't help where they don't allow them to change the components. There's no incentive to change the components.

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  19. It's incredible. And it's like the fuel tank is maybe the same thing as the rotom molding you use it for making plastic toys. And it works great. There's a huge supply base that's available to do these things. And in contrast that with most of these traditional weapons where it's like, Overly bespoke components. We got to get the dude that knows how to solder this one thing out of retirement. And the supply chains are super deep, like four-year lead times on these weapons. It's really, really bad once you get into it. Like I saw this thing, the defense primes were like, we need to change the federal account acquisition rules so that we can stockpile four-year lead time parts. You're like, a four-year lead time part.

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  20. Components for shielding a lot of components. Like, we could do this stuff, and you could design your systems in a way that take advantage of those commercial supply chains. One example we have is maybe like a low-cost cruise missile. Very cool, several hundred mile range. And we made the exterior fuselage in this process that G's from making acrylic bathtubs. This hot press process. So we're making the gas tank.

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  21. But it is a major volume issue. And I think on the weapons production side, look, the only solve out of this is to actually top into the commercial and industrial supply chains that exist. We're pretty good at building cars. We're pretty good at building electronics.

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  22. So, I think there is a feeling that this is a problem. I don't think anyone thinks everything's going great. Now, the question is what are the strategies to get away out, right? I don't think there's any debate that we're on our back foot in terms of the capacity we need, the mass we need, the type of systems we need. Now, like, how do you get out of it? That's a much harder question and do it in a way that is going to work with Congress, is affordable, is actually something we can sustain. The path we're on is probably more incremental than revolutionary, I would say, with like U.S. government, where companies like us are going to come in and win incremental new programs and show that different. Yeah, so we'll be more.

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  23. We've got to be prepared to sustain these protracted conflicts. And that in and of itself is probably one of the best deterrent factors we could have. Exactly. It's like we will not stop. We will not back down. We will have the capacity to withstand anything, right? That is a message we need to send to our adversaries worldwide. We have critical gaps on a lot of the kind of constituent parts of supply chain. This is a national security issue.

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  24. I believe it. And we've sanctioned them to hell, and they still are doing right They still have gas. They still have plenty of gas. And so it's quite tricky to think you're going to reconstitute this in a single day. I think the department has a lot of urgency on it. One of the areas where we see it is showing up with weapons. So when you look at these war gaming sort of scenarios and all these war games are sort of questionable in their own ways, but pretty consistently, the stockpile of key US munitions is exhausted in about eight days. It's hugely problematic. That is because we have gone down this path of thinking that we'll be able to have this Gulf War strategy of concluding a conflict in two or three days, and that's how we're going to fight our wars. And it's just not true, right? It's like any of these high intensity conflicts.

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  25. Yeah, like you look at that retooling we had a two year period of lend lease and the amount of GDP that was spent on lend lease at the time was through the roof and we weren't at war then right other people so we had a two-year head start to recondition US industry around us before we even entered into a conflict That's about how long it took empirically Russia about same duration about two years to retool their industry against defense production they are now outproducing all of NATO on munitions Russia Russian

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  26. Ed, you're just in this vicious negative cycle. Like, anyone who's worked in software understands this, like the old school way of releasing software. If you did a yearly release, you try to shove everything you can into that, the risk goes through the roof, quality is a disaster. Going fast. How quickly you can learn and how much you can actually reduce costs in these things. And so they're just much more willing to test and iterate in a way that the US is not right now. And so I think that is long term. The biggest thing I worry about for the US is just pace. the pace of innovation, pace of iteration on these things. It probably is the single biggest determining factor of how successful you're going to be over a 20 to 30 year period.

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  27. Look, the US, all these tests are very expensive, very complicated. There's so much buildup because every test has to go well because we do relatively few tests. So then it increases the risk and the duration that you prep for these tests and increases long-term long-term

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  28. Anyone who's worked in technology understands the compounding value of iterating on these things. And it is just so undervalued.

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  29. Single best stat for this is they are running hundreds of tests a year of hypersonic weapons. The US is running like four.

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  30. Yeah, exactly. But it was like the quality of the phone. It was like the computing power on the phone. Yeah. And so these timelines just get longer and longer. And it's just this death spire, all these things

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  31. And then we'll still be on the previous system. There's even crazier examples like the Columbia class nuclear submarine is going into service in 2035 and its expected lifetime is through 2085. So how good were we in 1960? I guess where we were today? It's like unclear. It's unclear.

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  32. Exactly, yeah. Like it's proven now the future is here, yeah. And so I think the alternatives are there now models that can work a lot better. It's like one of my crazy ideas is new missile takes about 12 years to go from concept through to fielding, like 12 years. That's insane. It's insane. And so, okay, if you're in that fast.

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  33. I think we can bill it. There's not really a question that this is the only part of some magical thing that can only, like, this is the only people that can do it anymore.

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  34. No, in terms of things that can work a lot better, I think SpaceX really proved this, where they literally built a reusable rocket that you catch with chopsticks commercially. I think we could solve these things, guys. What thing can't we build? I think we can build.

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  35. Relatively small cartel of these companies who sort of all say we won't do fixed price programs anymore. So they won't do things on a fixed cost basis. So, okay, if you're the government and you're a buyer, what are you going to do? You don't have a lot of choice here. And there's been a lot of problems with trying to get this model right.

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  36. Think they are frustrated. I think they understand that this is not really working. So you look at like F35 as an example of one of these programs. It took 25 years to get it from initial concept to fielding. There's this awesome chart, which is shows how long it takes to get commercial aircraft or autos from kickoff to fielding. And it's been flat to slightly better for all of those things, like on the order of two to three years. The military aircraft side just went literally straight up. Like these things are taking longer and longer and longer. There's an amazing quote that if you extrapolate this out, this is in the 90s. This guy made this quote. If you extrapolate this out by like 2046, the US government will be able to afford one airplane that the Air Force and Navy share and the Marine Corps every other day of the week gets better be a good airplane. These things are just crazy. And so I think they recognize that this is not working, right? This is broken. Now, the other part of this, they haven't had a lot of alternatives. So you have.

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  37. The longer it takes, the less viable it is, the more complicated it is. There's no point of incentive in there to actually drive down cost. And you see this play out, right? It's like the companies have gotten so used to this where you look at even something like Starliner, where I think SpaceX had a third the amount of money that Boeing was given to make Starliner work. And SpaceX did it on time probably faster than they even predicted, did it probably incredibly profitably. And it worked. And so I think these incentives that don't hold you accountable are actually bad for your company. It just makes you a worse company.

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  38. Okay, so they're sort of like how do they contract and buy and what's been going wrong there? And then it's what's the right composition of, even if you could buy perfectly well, what should you be buying? What should you buy? Yeah, two different questions. And so how are they buying poorly? So the typical government contracts are done in what's called cost plus fix fee. And this actually came out of World War II when we were retooling industry to work on national security problems. We're just like, we're going to cover all your costs and we'll give you a fixed profit percentage on top. And so the incentives here are sort of obvious if it's more expensive. you get more profit if it is less reliable you get more profit right the

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  39. Do I think it's necessary to change for us to be successful? Not really. We're just going to play the game that they present.

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  40. That's right. These are large capital investments customers making. That is a slow sales cycle. That is how it works. And so I think there's like a lot of complaining and frustration. It's, okay, well, also being bad at business means you're bad at business. If you don't understand your customer, you're going to lose. That's how it works. So do I think the government needs to be a better buyer of these things? Do I think they need to take better strategies that'll get them more what they want? Absolutely. They're taking observably bad strategies to get to the outcome they actually want.

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  41. How do you just build that momentum and advocacy in the government to make this go? Look, it's like more bureaucratic in certain ways. Is it much worse than selling to a bank or an oil and gas company? It's, I don't know, maybe 30% worse, but like probably not 5x worse. Yeah. And I think the reality is it's like enterprise sales are actually very hard, especially.

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  42. It is very hard, and I think we built a lot of the right technology. I think the right business model of investing in things that we believe need to exist. I think we're picking a lot of the right problems to go after, but probably more than anything, I think we understood the nature of what it took to sell, right? And the congressional relationships, the Pentagon relationships, the military relationships, like all of this that you need to be able to say, hey, we have the right tech. You can trust us. We can scale. We can actually solve these problems for you. Proving that it works and then like catalyzing all of these really complex processes around it. I think the other part that we've done quite well is we're just finding ways to find those early adopters and we understand those playbooks of who's going to move quick.

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  43. Yeah, yeah. So they've been great. And I think Sam especially has been very clear that he supports our warfighters and he cares about having the best minds in AI working on national security. And who better exists to work through these hard problems? And so I was just incredibly proud of them for coming out in favor of this and saying they're going to work on this. They're going to do it responsibly. They're going to do it ethically. But this is an important problem that the best people should be working on.

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  44. You need the ability to have these systems just process all that sensor data automatically fuse it together, tell you viable options for countering this, tell you what's a threat and what's not a threat. Like these are the types of things you need to be able to do, respond with intelligent suggestions, and then have the system just automatically carry it out from there. These are the types of problems we're working on. And the defensive side is just you need it, right? There's no choice because the timelines are too short and the urgency is too high. And it's a very straightforward area to understand where technology can really improve the problem.

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  45. Making those decisions today. Yeah. It's often three because they have a separate radar from a camera or separate from the guy pulling the trigger on the weapon systems. And so then the coordination cost can be significant. So you can automate a lot of this. And I think the other problem with this is then, as we've seen in Ukraine, every single unit, every single soldier is now at risk of drones. So this has to proliferate out from being a specialty that you do in an operations center now to every vehicle, in the field. Everyone has to have this capability.

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  46. Then, okay, now it turns into a matter of policy and degree and scope. That is a thing that I think we're just going to have to figure out as we work through it with the military. So the more we think about from the technology side is, okay, I don't want to design anything that precludes more advanced forms of this over time architective correctly. But the crawl phase is just get a lot of the basics, just automated, very mechanical things, make a very predictable. Don't have any surprises. And then you can add more sophistication as you build trust, the AI advances. These things get more sophisticated over time. And one of the best examples is on the defensive side where it's right for AIs. We do a lot of work on counter drone systems. This is one of the areas we're partnering with OpenAI on. And it's looking at this question of if you have multiple drones flying at you and you have minutes to respond before the strike happens on you.

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  47. Like it can move at a much faster pace. I think a lot of the things that we're starting to happen in Ukraine, a lot of the great work Palater did was on things like this where it was like the targeting process of going from satellite imagery through to, hey, this looks like a tank through to an approval of is this a legitimate military target or not was streamlining compressed. Much faster warfare. Life, much faster. So I think those things will happen very, very quickly, like very, very quickly.

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  48. Look, I think the mechanics of, okay, there's this airfield and you want to go surveill it and take it. You can do some strike. You're going to do some surveillance. You're going to do all these things. There will be a large degree of automation in that, right? Like I can just say, hey, send this team of drones out in these waves to go conduct this operation, find things that pop up that are a threat. Tell me if you pop up to the human to say engage or not. It goes. Yeah.

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  49. Yeah, I think people largely agree. Well, Vladimir Putin was very convincing on this. Turns out invading Ukraine was probably the single biggest shift I've seen in terms of people recognizing that, look, there are still bad actors in the world. Will use force to get to their political will if they think it will work. The cost is worth it, they're going to do it. And I don't think there's any reason to believe that's going to stop. It's true for tens of thousands of years.

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  50. Yes, exactly Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I keep coming back to deterrence, and we need to find a way to create a sense of urgency for the sake of deterrence, not for the sake of going to war. That's right. It feels like that's universally people we talk to, I feel like that's universally known, and hopefully we can make some progress.

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