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Bruce Schneier

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“I tend not to like to talk about Scarce scenarios because they're just scary, but you can think of large scale data breaches. I mean, we hear about our power grid being insecure. And there hasn't been any real disasters. We've seen a couple of attacks by Russia against the Ukraine, but nothing else. We haven't seen cyber terrorism. I mean, we really are seeing cyber crime. We see data theft. Data theft, but also... Data hijacking, the ransomware against lots of cities, lots of organizations. We often see it when it's a city or a hospital. Don't see it when it's a company because they don't often make the news. That is sort of burgeoning area of crime. So there's a lot of cybercrime out there. It's big business, very international, very hard to prosecute.”
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“So there's a lot of data out there being breached. On the whole, we're not doing great. We really aren't designing secure computers. We aren't designing secure phones. The Internet of Things is going to be a dumpster fire because things are... Much cheaper. And those are also sensors about us. Their cameras, their even refrigerators are learning things about our habits. And these are all on the internet and the data is all vulnerable. On the other hand, we're not seeing these cyber apocalypse disasters that have been talked about.”
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“And that means these systems are designed for surveillance. A joke you could think of that everyone wants you to have security except from them. And that's true. I mean, Google will give you a lot of security as long as they can read everything. And everybody apples the same way. Everybody's the same way. There are breaches everywhere. We hear a lot of them in the news. A lot of them just don't make the news because they're just another breach. So our data is not in our hands anymore. Now, we didn't do a terribly great job on our hands, but if you think about it, your photos are on Flickr, your emails on Google. And if there is a data breach at Marriott Hotels, your personal data, including your credit card number, is stolen. You had nothing to do with that. I was Marriott Hotels. Security”
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“So typical internet security, cybersecurity is the military term. And I think it's coming into our world. Traditionally, we've called it internet security. And that is security of your computers. Of your network, of your data in the cloud. It's a much more personal way of thinking about it. Cybersecurity is more of a nation-state way of thinking about it. And I tend to look from the person out. How are we doing? We're not doing great. We're not doing bad either. Most of us have our data in the cloud. And honestly, Google's going to do a better job keeping your email safe than you would. So that's a win for most of us. We are being spied on by pretty much every corporation out there. It's surveillance capitalism Is the business model of the internet”
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“Right. And so, when one of the things that you talked about, I want to start with a bunch of these topics, facial recognition, cybersecurity. Talk a little bit about where we are with cybersecurity right now. How do you look how people are looking at it? Obviously, there's been incursions everywhere. Google just announced a big cybersecurity person called me and said, after this Google thing, there will be no cybersecurity because of these computers. They've created, and we have to have quantum cybersecurity.”
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“When you think about privacy and encrypted telephone, An encrypted message app. Very quickly, who is using it? How are they using it? And whether it works or not is more than do you see italics on the screen, whether it works or not is did the person get privacy? Did he get security? Is he being arrested or not So, the real world effects are much more visceral. And I think that gave us a preview into what we're seeing today with so many other technologies, AI and automatic decision-making, the things we call look now and say, man, you people are breaking society. You should watch out. We sort of knew that early on.”
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“Because you can't divorce security from who his security is from and who it's for. In a way, you can sort of divorce a word processor. It does italics. We don't have to think anymore.”
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“I mean, it's cryptography was the first things I was working on, but very early on cryptography is intertwined with privacy. And here we are in the mid 90s EFF epic, our starting up Right now, I'm a board member of the EFF, and I've been involved with EPIC since the beginning as well. So these are tools that are viewed as tools for privacy, tools for democracy, tools for giving individuals more power than they had over their governments, over other powerful entities. So we very quickly, in security, saw the politics of what we were doing. I think sooner. A lot of other areas of computer science”
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“So, when you started your career, you were focused on cybersecurity over the way these networks were created were badly made, like badly architected essentially, in terms of how safe people were. Because that was some of the early stuff you talked about, the idea of it.”
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“Here's a hammer, and what you do is you're going to build a cathedral. Isn't that amazing? I don't even know what a cathedral is. You're going to build a cathedral. On the other hand, you might build a tank on artillery piece. So here we are. I mean, today we're making facial recognition technology. And you can use that to find relatives you didn't know existed. It also could be used to identify protesters in Hong Kong. So here we are building these technologies that are inherently have these wildly different uses. And thinking back to almost the nuclear age. The notion that I'm building the missiles where they come down is not my department. That's a very famous Harvard professor and singer.”
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“I think it's a way of thinking I think it's the mindset that we're building the tool, and then we give the tool to the world.”
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“Understand how your technology being used and more than not care to be really thrilled if someone finds a use for your technology you haven't envisioned. We built this tool and look at all the cool things it's doing. We never thought of that That's the opposite. So why is that?”
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“Well, let's talk about how that happens. You act on your own career. The way you studied was typical of the way others study or came up through. Which is that you make technology and the implications of it don't matter. I think that's right. I think the”
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“Jobs Technologies are often the secondary people in the room. Let's bring them in afterwards or before policymaking. But first, I want to get to your, you got interested in cryptography. How? What was your path to that? Why did that interest you over a lot of things? Cryptography was”
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“The economic psychology of security, the sociology of security, mentioned a book of mine, liars now. Society And policy of security. And here I am teaching at the Harvard Kennedy School. This is a And I'm teaching Internet security policy. So here I am building out from the tech to society along the way I did. One got sold to BT, one got sold to IVM, so I got to be in a large corporate environment for a few years until we all got tired of each other. Consulting. I do a lot of writing. I do a lot of speaking. Is explaining tech to non-tariff. Isn't This bridge between tech and policymakers. I am not unique. I am one of a few. And there are Tech A well worn path that you can go to university and learn this and then get internships.”
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“Written in the early 9 A math and programming That caught the wave of the public internet and the need for security on the internet. After that, I write about computer security, network security, the general technology of security.”
2020-01-03 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Bruce Schneier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“All right, so we're going to talk about how to get there in a so you call yourself a public interest technologist, which is something you've had a long history in lots of things, including cybersecurity, all kinds of things. So let's talk a little bit about your background so people understand what kind of role you played. Go through sort of how you got to do it, because you've worked at IBM, you've sold several companies, you've done a lot of stuff that the typical technologists journey, many technologists like yourself have been on. Yeah.”
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“Need this coming together of these two worlds, these two ways of thinking, these two ways of regulating, of governing, if we're going to solve the problems of the first half of this century. And I think that as public interest technologists, trying to get people from my world to either serve in government, serve on the press doing tech-driven journalism, work at NGOs, work for the government, maybe for the military or law enforcement, that doing tech in a more public-focused environment. It's not going to make the big bucks. It's not going to have the big glory, but it's how we're going to change society. It's not going to be the next.”
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“You can talk about the market economy, we can talk about all sorts of social systems. And the people doing policy Understand the technology. We had a senator when Marca Zuckerberg. There for hearing last summer who asked how does Facebook make money? One, he didn't know. Stup And we're expecting these people to make policy that governs tech, that governs us. There's this increasing knowledge that we need people to understand both tech and policy. Techies who speak policy, people who speak both, and technologists need to get involved in public policy or lousy public policy is going to be made.”
2020-01-03 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Bruce Schneier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm Kara Swisher, editor at large of Recode. You may know me as someone who had decided the internet is just too unsafe, which is why all future episodes of this podcast will only be available on vinyl and eight-track, but in my spare time, Code Which is my favorite title of any book ever. Click here to kill everybody, security and survival in a hyper-connected world. Bruce, welcome to Reco Decode. Thanks for having me. So I'm a huge fan of yours. This is an area I want to talk about a lot because I want to go Talk about what you're Technologist. Explain what that is. I want people to understand how important this is.”
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