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Cara Swisher

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“With Kara Swisher, it is produced by Naeem Araza, Christian Castro Rosell, Kateri Yokum, Megan Cunane, Megan Burney, and Michael McDowell. Special thanks to Mary Mathis, Kate Gallagher, Andrea Lopez Crusado, and of course, to all the folks at the 92nd Street Y. Our engineers are Fernando Aruda and Rick Juan, and our theme music is by Trachademics. If you're already following the show, you'll be featured in my next burn book. If not, you'll be featured in my next burn book. Go wherever you listen to podcasts, search for On with Kara Swisher and hit follow. Thanks for listening to On with Cara Swisher from New York Magazine, the Vox Media Podcast Network, and us. You can subscribe to the magazine at nymag.com slash pod. We'll be back on Monday with more.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, right here, this on the back. I hate blurbs or asking people for them, and there was no freaking way I was going to ask Reed Hoffman for a blurb. And I like Reid Hoffman. But so I put insults of the internet people to me on the back.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, exactly, but they're now running the place, and so that's the problem for me. So, what I would urge everyone to do is instead of complaining, like let me reference. Lot of damage in that regard is putting us apart when it should be bringing us together. But it is up to people to make the choices of what they, the last one's words in his book are look up, like start to look up and to consider stuff. And I love tech, but it is a tool. It is not your life.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“If you don't read my book, I'm not listening to a word you say. If you have an opinion after you read it, I'm open to it. But I really, that's in everything in life. Let's stop having so many hot takes so quickly without really doing the work. And it's a real disease of our time is this instant necessity to respond. And it's hard for me too. And I think it's really important that these tools can be great. They can be wonderful for conversation and reflection. That's your ideal on X. I think it's not going to work there right now because of the way it's degenerated. But that's the ideal is that you can argue with people. I think you're going to be swarmed with trolls.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, one of the things about this book is look, this is my recollections of what it is. You don't have to agree with me. The only thing I say is I talk about my faults, my achievements, and thus you can have a totally different opinion. I just want you to, one of the things that drives me crazy about this internet age is everyone has a hot take in two seconds.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, but everyone like he'll say something terrible and they'll be like, Don, your thoughts, and I will be in front doing that.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's true, but I think everything he does is going to hang around your neck. That was my worry for you. And you shouldn't have to worry about that.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, this is news, by the way. Yeah, it's And explain. I gave you a hard time on Twitter. I just thought you should do it by yourself, whatever you do, but you're not just on Twitter. Everyone's like, oh, I was with someone, and they're like, oh, he has a Twitter show. I'm like.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Now you're responsible for it. And so you can make the mistakes. And if you make mistakes, it won't work. We have a vote of the name of the show that I thought you should do versus your name”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You do, you do. One of the things that's important to think about is what you have a voice and you have now tools to get out anywhere. What do you need that for? And you should have an interest in the outcome, which means the revenues and profits. So you're going to do the best job if... Your interests are aligned with the people you're doing business with before you were just pay over paid or paid or whatever. You know what I mean? I don't know about that. No, but you know what I mean. You know what I mean? It's like you were not linked exactly to your entrepreneurial efforts. And so you have a voice. Not everybody can do this.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, you were. It was so funny last night Don was like on the street. I'm like, Where's his town car? It's gone. Like, I was kind of thrilled. I was like, yay, he can't get a car.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think what you're doing is really interesting. You've given up the town cars and fancy things for your own entrepreneurial sense, right?”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes. You've noticed. Yeah, absolutely. I think there's going to be a big fight over what date it is. I think media companies have to pay a lot of attention. New York Times is suing open AI because of the scraping. And so we have to figure out where the provenance of this data is critically important, understanding where it came from. And they have to have a system to be able to track it. They've done it before on YouTube with music, all kinds of things. So how do we track the data? How did the output come? How did we get that output? And I think that's critically important. So we have to have a tracking and safety and a safety system. The Biden executive order has a lot of this in it.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, I think it's quite a good product. I cannot believe I'm saying that. But finally, Mark Zuckerberg has a nice creative product I like. But it's from Instagram. It's Instagram for text. I like it a lot. They're handling it well. It's kind of fun. Not if my wife hates it, right? Do you hate it still? Mine's as fun as heck. There's like this guy who does flower arranging that I love desperately. There's these cool dog videos I like. I like it. I'm enjoying it quite a bit”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It down. They can say, and the thing that they point to that the Twitter files, which was nothing, was a big zero, the things the Biden campaign has to take down were naked pictures of Hunter Biden. Now, we don't need to discuss his issues, but that's a good request, I feel. Penis pictures of only Marjorie Tellegreen should have those.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What? No, equal time. There's no such thing, right? And so that was really problematic. So they want to do that because they are weaponizing the First Amendment almost continually. But it's not the government's job to tell social media companies or anyone else what to put up. Now, that said, they're doing a terrible job doing content moderation, but they're still private companies. And when they wander over there, it's a problem. So I hope they took it up because one of the two appeals courts were disagreeing, so they're going to solve it, solve the disagreement. They have to take it up. The second one that's coming is whether the Biden administration coerced social media companies from taking things down, or should the government be able to speak to social media companies? I think they should be. If there's a threat, and say an al-Qaeda threat, and the government often knows about things, the tech companies might not, there should be a robust communication. They can't coerce them to tech.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You guys know about this case they heard today relatively, so it's a case that Florida and Texas have put together these laws where they can force social media and tech companies that they can't take down anything, essentially, especially that they're censoring the right wing, right? That they're censoring them. They love to trot out that word because Americans go a little nutty when they hear the word censor. But it's not. They're private companies that are...”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, you're not. Oh, no, you're not. Do not get in the middle of that. You know what? You break up some people, and there's several people I've broken up with I've never seen them again, and I hope never to.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, great. Exactly. No, no, because the stuff he's done is unforgivable to me. Paul Pelosi thing, when he tweeted, when he just bought Twitter, when he tweeted an anti-gay conspiracy, a very vile one that Paul Pelosi was part of a gay love triangle after this poor man had gotten the shit beat at him by a crazy person radicalized by the internet. Are you kidding me? Why would you do that? It's so needlessly cruel. I don't even know who would do that. And if you just bought this platform, you're the most powerful and richest person on the planet with hundreds of millions of followers. Do you know the damage you just did? I don't care how many drugs you're taking. You have no excuse for doing that. And everybody has their breaking point. And there were a number of them, the anti-trans stuff, the anti-Semitic stuff, which he pretends isn't, right? Like I'm just promoting free speech. Like, why do you only promote terrible?”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What happened to you What is going on? Like, can I get you a therapist? I think, you know, I'm concerned about his health, his mental and physical health. I'm concerned about it. I mean, I'm not that concerned. But you know what I mean? I think he's in a, to watch him spin out of control and gaslight people all the time. Oh, I didn't. Right before when he took over Twitter, I was thinking he could probably do a good job here because he was innovative and interesting and push and very aggressive. And Twitter was always the loser company of the internet. The business was terrible. It needed a jolt by someone who would take risks, right? And he was on the list. There's a list of people who could have done it. And he and I had a back and forth because I was doing a lot of stuff on Twitter and Twitter spaces. I was actually making a little business there.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, he's smart about finding businesses and he didn't invent Tesla, but he saw the potential. He's a very good business person. Excellent. But not so much at Twitter”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think he's space in certain areas absolutely. Starlink, we need competitors to Starlink. Sorry, he can't be the only one deciding. What if he shuts down communications that U.S. troops need in the Taiwan Straits? This guy? Like I'm sorry. This guy who tweets boob jokes? No. And even if our elected officials are flawed.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Among them, yes, among them. Sure. I think Twitter is not as consequential as people think it is. It's always been a small business.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Doing stupid things. Now, the problem is you have an unaccountable Richest man in the world who's now kind of turned into a bond villain, right? Like he literally is the, I'm a bond of fishingadu. I'm like, which one are you, like, of these people? If he gets a white cat, we're fucked. Like essentially. But he would. He'd do that. He would do that because that's his personal. Yeah, one. Yeah, like scar. That'd be really funny. But that's not really funny, but it is funny. So, you know, you worry about someone who's unaccountable”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Get off of my porch right now. Like, you're sort of like this is what the geniuses of our world are coming up with. And at one point, I got so repulsed by it, I call, I said, everything in San Francisco that's being invented is assisted living for millennials. Dry cleaning, food, bike delivery, this and that, right? That's what it was. And so when you meet someone who goes, I'm going to change electric cars. I'm going to build electric cars. I'm going to build new spaceships. I'm going to build even his dumb tunnel underneath LA. It's kind of cool, right? The hyperloop is kind of cool. You got to say, you know, solar, at least he was doing something interesting and consequential, right? And so that's why it was interesting and nobody was doing that. Nobody, like nobody. And so he was unusual in that regard and very ambitious in a really, one of the things that someone had told me that struck me at the time was Silicon Valley was full of really smart people doing really stupid things. And he was not.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“He was, I think so. I agree. The reason why I was attracted to him is because when all these other dudes were making digital dry cleaning services, which you're like, when you get the fifth of those, you're like, kill me now. Like, right? When someone comes out, Kara, I'm doing a dating service, but get this. It's people who like shoes. And you're like, oh no, but it's digital. And you're like...”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, I know that. I'm not as close as you. I don't talk to him as much as him at all. He called me an asshole and told me my heart was seething with hate.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Answers might be we need to kill a billion people. Like that might be an answer. But then you have to say, but let's not kill a billion people. Like, let's not do that. So it's a question of what we give it permission to do. That is going to not unplug itself. I find that ridiculous. I find that just a fantasy that it'll learn so much. But if you give it the wrong instructions, the wrong input, including right now, like facial recognition, the reason why it's so flawed is because the input in it is flawed by humans in the first place. You know, arrest records. If you put all those arrest records into AI, it'll say, well, you need to look for a person of color because they get mostly arrested. That's what happens. It just takes the data and that's the problem with it.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, not necessarily, but that it's going to think and it's going to want to do something. And I have to say on this, Elon was the first person to talk about this as a danger to me. Like absolutely in interviews. He had invested in Open AI. He had a falling out with them. But he had said this is a real problem. The first time he talked about it was much more in a terminator-like sense. It will kill us, right? It will kill us. And he was terrified of it. A lot of people were. A lot of people are. And they discuss it. Like it could do all kinds of things. It's the Terminator movie version of it. Then in another interview later, he came more around, which I think is the correct idea, which is it doesn't care about us. It will do what's most efficient. And so the example he gave is when we build a highway and we go over an anthill, we're not trying to kill that anthill. We just go over the anthill. It's because we don't know it's there. We don't know if it's not there. If, say, we gave it the instruction, let's get rid of hunger.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, but there's an element of interesting and creative that you're leaving out that it cannot replicate. It can only replicate what's put in it. And you keep thinking because of science fiction.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But there has to be news reporting in the first place. So, where does that uncertain things? It absolutely will. Other creative things, it won't.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's right. So imagine you were not going to have this, by the way. This is going at some point. And even though I know you like yours and this is a great relationship of mine, I think you're going to have, it's going to be here. You're going to have spatial computing. You're going to have the air pods will have a video in them. And it will say, Don wants to have lunch with you and I'll go, oh, that asshole. And they'll be like, I know, but you have to do what you promised. And because you said it in that email and you'll be like, okay, schedule a lunch. And my A will talk to your AI and do that. That's an example of what you could happen. Or it could say, you know, here's a newspaper, here's 25 headlines that I think will work. And then the human picks one, but it will do it in seconds, what you could do. It will replace, there's a lot of things you could see, like law associates, not a good job. I don't know what they're going to do.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, I did. That was a movie. It was fictional. Yes. Yes. I believe it was fictional. No, but here's what it can do. It can guess. It's a really good guesser. And it inputs data, but it's only good as the data that goes in it.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, no, no, no, no. I think you have to look at it as a tool to start with. Like what does it do to change things? If you compare it to other things that have happened, the mechanization of farming, the mechanism of manufacturing, it's not unsimilar. What the internet did to what Amazon did to delivery. It's going to replace the things that can be digitized. And as you know, in the book, I say everything that can be digitized will be digitized. Anything that can be used in AI can be used in AI. And so it'll hit everything. It's not going to just hit media. It's going to hit every job.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It was. It was fantastic. But then when they got on stage, they really did rise to the occasion. That was some moment to do that in person. But I decided to throw them a softball. And the question was, so what is something people don't know about your relationship? And Steve couldn't help himself. And he goes, well, for a long time now we've been married and lovers. And Bill Gates, you could watch his face because he's like I can't be anti-gay. I'm not gay. I'm not gay, but I don't want to be anti-gay. And you could see him not able to do it. And he went. And Steve was like, nice one, Steve. Like he literally would do that. And then at the end, of course, there was that beautiful exchange about them being Steve did this very sentimental send-off. They were really... A pair, I would say. Be back in a minute”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“How would I know I run hell? Steve Jobs, I can't believe he did that. Somehow in his hand had this, but it was covered with condensation. It was frosty. I don't know where he got the frosty drink, but he did. And he goes, here, let me help you. And it was so good. It was even better. But then when they got an episode of”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We're backstage, and I wanted it to be bigger because I didn't want the little fighting, their little ridiculous, whatever the history of them together. And so we wanted big ideas. These were the greatest two big names in tech at the time. And still today, I would say, we're among them. And so backstage, Bill walks in and Bill is already not the most sociable person on the planet. And he was monotone, which is not a good thing when you're going into like the legendary interview. And you're like, hey, Bill. He's like, mm-hmm. Like that, like pissed off. And then Steve walks in with the most shittying grin on his face. And he's like this. And you're like, fuck you. Like, how could you do that? And so Bill isn't answering. Steve is grinning. And we're like, oh, this was going to be it. It was going to be our biggest interview. And the PR people are all like, what do we do? And then Walt asked them a question and Bill goes, suddenly says words. And he goes.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And we were just about to do this interview, and you knew it was going to get to Gates in seconds. He wasn't in the room, I don't believe, but it was like the PR guy from Microsoft was like,”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Thought it was amazing, especially. So it was really hard getting them together because they really didn't like each other. They made up before Steve died. But they had a real tension, a real tension between them of competitors and Gates particularly. Steve always tried to fuck with him, like always, was always like... And he smirked. Do you remember Steve Smirk? He was always trying to get him. And so we had interviewed that day we had interviewed Steve alone on stage and Bill alone on stage. And in Steve's interview with Mossberg, who was my partner who really did make that come together, he asked him just an offer, just, hey, why is Apple so popular on Windows? Why was Apple one of the most popular? I think it was iTunes. And he goes, well, Walt, when you're in hell and someone hands you a glass of ice water. You're pretty happy.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Whatever. I don't know. I'm literally the only lesbian America who hates sports. So it's like this. And he was like, and then Auburn, I was like, I don't care. And then when you eat with him, it was interesting. He's really fit. He's incredibly fit. And when they bring the food, it's like the most perfect piece of chicken on the most perfect arugula. And then there's just a dusting of quinoa, just not much, because that would be fattening. The one thing he did talk about was what's right now the vision pro, the idea of spatial computing. He was riveted to that. And I find it a really interesting vision too. The Gates Jobs interview was the best interview I ever did.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“He's different. He's a logistics. He's much more, he's a lovely guy, let me say. He's couldn't be more polite and affable”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Texted you that. I'm like, we're very much alike. So he was just, it was always great talking to him because he also read widely, like with Steve Jobs, you could talk about poetry, you could talk about art, he understood history and he had a mind that it was always interesting to talk to him.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Privacy compared to everybody else, they look like the best people ever on privacy. Someone who talked a lot about the way it could be versus the way it was, that designed beautiful objects that were intuitive, you had to respect that. Listen, he wasn't always a lovely guy and he was very difficult to people. He missbarked his car and handicapped space. I get it. Today he looks fine. Like compared to people that say you might work with, but he was difficult, but he was also legendary. I don't get mad at me.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Except it's worth 10 times more. So from a shoulder perspective, it's doing just fine. Tim Cook is 10x that company. That is very hard to do. It's the most valuable company in the world. And it wasn't when Steve died. You know, you can make fun of him, but the AirPods is an astonishing product. It could be a company all by its own and be a huge company. I think the watch, when everyone made fun of it, is now an enormous business. I think it's easy to dismiss Tim Cook. It's just like you could dismiss Sachinadella, but you can't. Look at these companies. They're killing it. He really moved them into cloud properly at Microsoft, Sacha did, who's a terrific guy. And so you have a lot of people who had to take over from legends, right? But they've made them into better businesses, both of those. In Steve's case, though, it was the inspirational stuff. It was the beauty of it. It's technology that respects.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, different. They were different. You know, Steve really had a sense of science and art and design combined with technology. He wasn't a technologist. Bill was much more of a technologist.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, and so, you know, with Bill, I think the stuff he did on philanthropy has been really interesting. He's very interested in, let's leave aside the Epstein stuff, which there's been no proof. He had bad judgment in spending time with that guy. That said, the stuff he was doing around philanthropy has been about vaccines has been really important. The stuff he's doing around climate change is really important. And so he changed his point of view on his legacy. And so instead, he's sort of being a Carnegie personality.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The greatest innovator in tech history. Bill Gates desperately wanted that to be his legacy, and Steve just bested him almost constantly. And Steve was rich enough, but Steve had the guy, right? The visionary.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, he wasn't. They didn't like him. No, he wasn't. He had his own little quirks. But no, he was up in Seattle, very different. He was seen as sort of a Darth Vader character to tech because he ran everything went through Microsoft. And so, and he wasn't particularly nice, I would say. He was very difficult to deal with. And same thing with Steve Bomber, who's now all cuddly, but he was not cuddly at the time. He is. He's like, now, and you're like. Yeah, he wrote me no. He goes, Hey, Kara, how's it going? I'm like, what? Because you were real mean to me, as I recall. But he was, you know, Bill, what I always thought was that the comparison always had to be with jobs. One of the things I think I wrote at one time is if they died on the same day, sort of like Jefferson and Adams kind of thing,”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, I think he is, you know, he was speaking of Feral, this guy was so aggressive, and he, of course, got in trouble for it. And I covered that a little bit at the Washington.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Believe it. I didn't. And I argued with Henry Blodgett when he made that $400 call on the stock because if you did the math, it didn't make any sense. And so there was this, it felt not like a Ponzi scheme, but a bubble, a classic bubble. And so people were paying for their future, not for their present. And that was, you know, in media, you have to live with gravity. The internet people didn't. And they built their way into their fortune. Right now Tesla stock, for example, come on. But people are paying that. So that's what it's worth. But on a comparative basis with Ford, it doesn't make any sense. So they're thinking he's going to do something else, you know, invent unicorns. I don't know. But maybe it'll be true because if you had bet shorted it, you get in trouble.”
2024-02-29 · On with Kara Swisher · The Burn Book Kick-Off with Don Lemon · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT