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Carole Cadwalladr

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first: 2019-07-08
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“He's never going to be one again. Every interview is a discussion. That thing, the way, I mean, I just thought it was such a sort of amazingly telling moment when you tried to press him on like, you asked him about Myanmar. And you're trying to break through and realize, how did that make you feel”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That was a disaster for him. He's never going to be one again. Every interview destiny is a disaster. It's really fascinating. I think they're great, actually. I don't think they're a disaster. I think they're great for Mark Zuckerberg because he actually you start to see the mentality, right? You know what I mean? I don't think that's a bad thing for him”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We're here with Carol Cadwalleter. She is an investigative journalist for the Guardian Observer. She's the person who broke the original stories about Facebook's involvement with Cambridge Analytica, setting off a whole range of different things and directions in reporting. So you seem frustrated and sort of, here you are, you've broken this thing and it doesn't, as you said, it doesn't get traction. It doesn't matter. I don't believe that. I do think it has traction. I just don't know what kind of traction it has, right? Because what happens in the United States is there's one horrible thing Trump says after another, and you forgot the last one he said. And that's the whole point of it. Exhaustion is the whole point of social media so that you give up at some point or you become tired and exhausted and overwhelmed, or you get impugned. In your case, crazy conspiracies various, in my case, she's such a bummer. She's so mean. And I don't know how you can be mean to billionaires. I don't even get it. I don't even get it. It's like there's no amount of mean.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, yeah, and it's just, it's relentless and it's coordinated. And it's, you know, most of the press is very right wing here. And we have our national broadcaster and they've been very scared to cover the story in so many ways. And so have been a sort of absence on so much of this. And we just don't have the resources. Journalism just doesn't have the resources here. So this isn't a big team. The Guardian has been this amazing organization which has sort of backed this story. But at the same time, it just hasn't had the money to put any extra Reporting resources into”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I did a great talk with Maria Ressa. It's the same thing. Except in her case, it's quite dangerous. It's actually a brutal dictator here. It's to ruin your reputation and to make it think that you've got, okay, she was right about that, but now she's gone too far.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Absolutely here in Britain. And then, you know, it turned out, oh, it's all true and it's actually much worse even than I reported. Everything we find out about it is actually much worse than we thought. And here in Britain, you know, my investigation has very much been also around these far right figures and their links. Into Russia and to the American far right It's again, I get treated like a crazy conspiracy theorist, and it's absolutely strategic because a way of attacking the story is to attack me. And this, you know, it goes on on a daily basis. And it's a really tough publishing landscape here because so many people.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, full, it's just this thing I find totally scandalous, is that Mark Zuckerberg has been asked multiple times by our parliament to come and answer questions about Facebook and particularly about Cambridge Analytica. And then what happened is because our parliament could get no traction, no answers from Facebook on these things, it then banded together, I think it's 12 other countries. So countries like Canada and Australia and Argentina, and they formed this Grand International Committee. And Mark Zuckerberg has refused to go and answer questions to them. And I mean, this is more than half a billion people being represented here. So, it's this incredible disdain to the rest of the world, essentially. We're just colonial subjects.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Wasn't a million euros. I kind of like the scale of this thing so crazy. I can't even keep up with the. So that is still very much unwinding. I find the SEC investigation into what Facebook did with Cambridge Analytica fascinating because I think that's kind of the scary ones in many ways. For them, it's ones where directors get held responsible. And what we've seen with Facebook, you know, I think when they didn't know how to respond to this, they've refused to say who knew what when about Cambridge Analytica. That question, who knew what when has not been answered? And I think that's one of the reasons why Mark Zuckerberg, for example, won't come to Britain and answer the questions of our legislators. Be clear to that. He has been invited.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“All companies do this. There's nothing special about Cambridge Analytica. It's just it doesn't overestimated it. It's snake oil. You've seen article article about this and it was like, you know, this was, I just want to go back into the special features of this, which was that Cambridge Analytica was at the SCL, the parent group. It was a military contractor.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's what you are, yes, that's right. Right, exactly, kind of thing. And so it's gone off into so many, and it's gone into data hacking too, which they had an issue with not just Facebook, but everyone in the internet. It's data hacking, it's privacy, it goes off into so many different avenues off this one idea that maybe things aren't quite so kosher with how these things are run.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, that's what you are. Yes, that's right. Facebook doesn't, it's that thing, isn't it? Yeah, Facebook doesn't kill people, people kill people.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Do you know what I mean? Like, can you blame them, or can you say, Say, I've had an ongoing argument with them. They're like, if you had a robbery, would you blame the car? I said, you're the gun. Like, you're the gun”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It goes off into so many branches. It goes into fake news. It goes into disinformation. It goes into just ugliness that people, real feelings, real racist and other things today. There was the story of the customs of mortar, but you're all having a Facebook group, which is just appalling. Now, I'm not sure that's Facebook's fault, but I do know it wouldn't exist without Facebook.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I'm so sorry. We've heard those before in the United States of America. You just got to the. That was your first, I'm sorry, because it's my 50th. So the impact, what has been the impact? And then it went on. And then as more showed, it wasn't just, it was Cambridge Analytical, but a lot more. Yes.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“He's kind of exhausting because the New York Times are saying, well, we need to publish now, and we're like, no, we need to hold off. We need to hold the line, we need to publish together, we need to stick to the plan. Anyway, so we all do, we just bring it forward a bit. We publish on the Saturday. And then we had that three day silence. I mean, it was sort of phenomenal in that Facebook just went into this internal tail spin and just didn't know how to respond. And then eventually, you know, I think it was day four Mark Zuckerberg came out and said, oh, I'm so sorry.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And you know, and so it went into another panic, you know. So the day before publication, we're in these intense legal meetings, we're ringing the ICO. Well, actually, they haven't got a leg to stand on. This is ridiculous. So we're like, okay, we're plunging forward. Then what happens is it is one o'clock in the morning, the night before publication. And then we discover Facebook have put out a press release in the middle of the night, British Times, saying, oh, we're kicking Cambridge Analytica off our platform. So they tried to run a spoiler story. Right.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, they kept it. No one says it was. They kept those same. I remember they called them. No take. No one said it was. It was. It was. It was. Not a breach. I know. I know. We were still figuring out what the headline was at that point. And I got off the phone and my colleague Emma, Graham Harrison, who I wrote the news stories with, she said, what do they say? I said, well, they just, I said, oh, it was a bit weird. They sort of said, yeah, we're going to write to you, but they're very, very clear. It's not a data breach. And she was like, hmm, data breach. Hmm, yes. So that became the headline. But then, you know, the next day it was this, I couldn't believe it. You know, it'd been so hard to get through the hurdles with Cambridge Analytica to get into this position to publish day before publication. Facebook, having had this information now, remember this for more than two years, it then writes this, they hired these fancy lawyers in London to write us a letter. Didn't do this to the New York Times, obviously, and saying, you know, actually, this is highly defamatory.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“New York Times, and who I also did the story with, and with Channel 4 news that we would put in our questions on the same day. Facebook didn't respond for three, four days. And then I get a call from them and they said, we're going to be sending you a response, a written response tomorrow. But just to let you know that we're very, very categoric about this. This is not a data breach, just so you know.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But they spent sort of three days figuring that out. So, I mean, what was extraordinary was that all through this period I've been writing story after story about, you know, my stories about Cambridge Analytica, even whilst I'm working with Chris, they've carried on. And, you know, whilst we've had this threat of being sued, we wrote a 35-page legal letter back to Cambridge. It took our lawyers a week. I mean, this was a huge effort from the Guardian news organisation to keep going with this story. And at no point did Facebook ever say, oh, well, actually, okay, this is what happened. We know this. You know, we're sorry. We just never got a comment. And then, you know, we go through because our libel laws here are so much stricter. It's so much more difficult to publish this stuff. And we go through a very kind of strict protocol before publication, everything in writing to them. So we put in our questions on the Monday and we'd had an agreement.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I had no idea. I mean, I mean, absolutely. We always knew this story was going to be devastating to Cambridge Journalist. I had no idea of the scale of impact this would have on Facebook. Really didn't see that coming at all. And in many ways, it was the way that Facebook reacted and responded, which was the sort of killer. I agree. It kind of blew itself up on our doors.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So on that one, they just followed the same strategy. So, this was exactly the same strategy. They refused to comment. And they pretended it didn't happen. And this is why, you know, it became why I realized that sort of Chris had this, he was this sort of secret weapon because having a person who could speak to it personally about what he had seen and witnessed and somebody who was so articulate and could frame what this meant and the dangers of it could see how that was that would just catapult this story into a different level of attention. And so that was why I essentially spent the entire next year on, I mean it was a year solidly full-time all day, every day, working on that story to get it out.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“At the time he was in the White House. I mean, it was really honestly kind of chilling and quite scary, you know, thinking about what you were up against at the time. And now, you know, now so much of this has been normalized and Steve Bannon's not in the, but, you know, but at the time. But, you know, we were looking at Cambridge Analytica had just won contracts with the State Department. It had been reported that it was going to get a contract with the Pentagon. So it had all of this information 230 million American voters.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Who took down a media organization? And here I was writing this story about an ideologically motivated billionaire who'd backed Trump, the vice president of the company was Steve Bannon. At the time... Working in the...”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And you know, at that point, you know, we thought, well, Chris was kind of interested in, you know, we'd already started talking about him coming forward as a named whistleblower. But he had to break a non-disclosure agreement. So it was difficult and it was legally complicated. And immediately I published that article, then Cambridge Analytica started threatening the Guardian. It was threatening to sue us for defamation, for special damages to sue us in Britain and in America. And this was owned by Robert Mercer, who's the deepest pocket. And it was, you know, it was really serious and really quite scary. And almost like an existential level, you know, we just, do you remember, you know, that the thing I think we were all chilled by was the way that Peter Teal took down Gawka. Absolutely, you have an ideologically motivated billionaire.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, sorry, yes. Talking about his trips to Russia at the time. And then, you know, Chris pulling out this pitch and discovered that he'd done this research, which Cambridge Analytica were pitching to Luke Oil. So they were pitch How to target American voters to the biggest Russian oil company. I mean, the stuff didn't make any sense. It was just super weird. So, yeah, so anyway, the next article was in May 2017. It was called The Great Brexit Robbery. And it was really about this scheme of links between Brexit and Trump and Russia and how you could see the connections between these individuals and these companies and the data and the money.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yet to break the law. I mean, it broke the law. I mean, it's not just data abuse, it's illegal data abuse. And I think that is a kind of important distinction. And Chris, you know, is this amazing character? And he was like, well, it was like, it was all very well to have somebody saying, oh, yes, X, Y, and Z. But I was like, well, can you prove any of this? And he was like, well, yeah, I've got the receipts. He literally had the receipts for the Facebook data. And he had the contracts. He had the, you know, the founding contracts for Cambridge Analytica, the company. And then he just started, you know, we started going through stuff. There's more and more things came out. He went back and looked at emails and then found emails of Alexander Kogan, who was the psychologist at Cambridge University who'd harvested the data, you know, talking about the...”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, but I think we can now go stronger than that because what they did was Facebook has the information commissioner in Britain has made the ruling that what Facebook did was illegal in that it allowed Cambridge Analytica to break”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, yeah, that's right. And it was his basically his idea to get this Facebook data and to do this personality testing and to miss.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Chris, very smart, nothing to connect him to Cambridge Analytica or the parent company SCL. But I found, you know, I tracked him down and he'd been sort of waiting, I think. Somebody to find him. And he was sort of surprised that nobody had found him until then. And it kicked off this first telephone conversation I had with him. He was in Canada at the time. It was about seven hours long. I mean, it was absolutely mind-blowing.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That investigation became this massive inquiry into data and politics, which is now the biggest data investigation of all time. They've had 70 full-time people working on it. It's the one which has now fined Facebook the maximum amount, etc. So it precipitated that. But at the same time, there was just so much more out there. Anyway, so that was when I thought, right, I've got to find some ex-employees. I need to find somebody to talk to me. And so there was this kind of laborious process of approaching people and being rebuffed and blah, blah. And eventually I found somebody and he said, when as soon as I started talking about Facebook data, he said, well, you need to find Christopher Wiley. I was like, who's Christopher Wiley? He said, well, it's this Canadian guy and he's the guy who got the Facebook data. And, you know, and then, you know, I looked on the internet.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Basically, I was just kind of just getting these denials. Cambridge Analytica was just denying stuff. Facebook was just denying stuff. The Leave campaign was just denying stuff. What had happened? The first article I did on Cambridge Analytica, I mean, it was this great success in some ways. It kicked off two big official investigations in Britain. So it kicked off one investigation by the Electoral Commission into have they declared everything that they were spending. That investigation is now with the Metropolitan Police. We're still waiting on the Electoral Commission has said, no, they didn't. But there's now a police investigation into that. And then the other investigation which was kicked off was by our information commissioner's office.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Which is the point? I've kind of like, well, I've got to keep going. I keep needing to do the story again in a different way. And really, and that was when the break I had was when I found Christopher Wiley.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and I think so, and also it was just this thing which was in particular, which was that nothing had any traction anymore. So, you know, it was publishing this stuff about Cambridge Analytica and Facebook, and everybody was like, this is terrible. And then, you know, the next outrage hit the news cycle, which is the point. Yeah, which is”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The Russians. Yes. And this sort of, you know, this concerted of right-wing attempt to disrupt the mainstream media. That was what was so fascinating about it. Bannon and Mercer had, you know, these various different strategies, which was all about disrupting the mainstream media system and worked. And, you know, there was another one, which was they also funded this thing, the government accountability institute.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Journalist called Harry Davies, and he, that was his scoop, he'd found that out. But at the time Cambridge Analytica wasn't working for Trump, it was working for Ted Cruz, and Facebook just did what the tech companies do, which is it just denied it and refused to comment. And, you know, that was it.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There was this nexus, and he said that, you know, well, of course they wanted to help us because Brexit was the petri dish for Trump. And that, you know, it was very explicit. And it's because, of course, we're the same family. We're using the same techniques. And Steve Bannon and Nigel Farage are good friends. You know, it's all part, Trump and Brexit are all part of the same thing. Anyway, that was the sort of first big story I did on Cambridge Analytica. And even then, it was out there, you know, this information about how Cambridge Analytica had somehow got hold of all this Facebook data. You know, when I looked at the cuts, there was this piece in the Guardian in December 2015.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So Robert Mercer's this sort of key character, who's this hedge fund billionaire, and he had been the biggest donor to Trump, and he had funded Breitbart. So that was, so which is the far right news network of which Steve Bannon was the editor-in-chief. And there were various things that he funded, and one of the other things he'd funded had been Cambridge Analytica. And Cambridge Analytica had been very instrumental in the Trump campaign. And here was these guys saying, yes, and we use them in Brexit.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I trotted off to go for a coffee with Andy. And that conversation became the basis for my first big piece on Cambridge Analytica. Cambridge Analytica and also Robert Mercer and Steve Bannon was this very, it was just so interesting. I mean, it was again it was before there'd been any, it was before Jane Mayer had written her big piece on Robert Mercer for The New Yorker.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I was like, that's kind of interesting because that's kind of like a gift, isn't it? And I was like, don't gifts have to be declared.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So we started writing back to them and saying, Well, here's where your CEO said that you worked for the Leave campaign and here's where the Leave campaign said that you hired them. And they were like, yes, yes, yes, but that's not true. And you need to take that out and correct that. And so this went on about three times. And I was like, what on earth is going on here? And actually, what then what happened is our readers editor got in touch. He was sort of like, well, let's actually just find out what happened. And he got in touch with this guy called Andy Weakmore, who worked on the leave campaign, worked on Nigel Farage's leave campaign, and asked him, and he said, yes, we did use Cambridge Analytica. We just didn't pay them.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And you know, they'd just been, they'd had one mention in the first piece, and I'd said, you know, they work for the Trump campaign and they worked in Brexit because that's what the website said and that's what the articles had said. And they started writing to me and saying, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not true. We never worked in Brexit.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, we persisted. But then what was kind of funny was that I actually got way laid because that was when Cambridge Analytica got on my case. So I was kind of, and I was desperate. I've always wanted to go back to Google and YouTube. I was like, YouTube's such a sewer. I'm desperate to go and do something on them. But in the meantime, I started getting these crazy letters from this company, Cambridge Analytica.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“One day of the year, we don't publish on Christmas Day, and that was the day Google sent in this massive legal kind of complaint to the Guardian. And so I was dealing with that with our lawyer, our poor put upon head of legal at the Guardian, Jill Phillips, who has been very instrumental in this whole story. Do you find it chilling? This thing of trying to shut the story down, trying to shut the story down. And, you know, by going after the reporter, by going after the newspaper. To say they were claiming problems with my reporting and claiming something was inaccurate. And, you know, as they pick upon a tiny detail to distract from.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, when I published this piece, I was like, surely the world is going to be, you know, say this is outrageous. They must do something. We've got to fix this. The net has been poisoned. There's this sort of shadow internet almost out there. And that didn't happen. And Google, just by refusing to engage, they started hand-changing some of the results. So I thought, okay, well, I've just got to keep kind of writing about this. And so I just kept for the next sort of five or six weeks. I just carried on writing about it. And I did things that this made them really incensed. I took out an advert. I used Google. How do I change the results to say that, yes, the Holocaust did happen? So I thought, I know, I'll take out a Google ad. So I took out a Google ad to get that to the top of the search results. And that made them very furious. And anyway, and then they, Christmas Eve.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What was so interesting that first story, that first response from Google, this has been what, you know, I've spent the last two and a half years dealing with, which was this total lack of accountability from the platforms, this denial of responsibility, and then the counterattack. So the way they went actually on the attack against us. So, you know, I just normally what happened is this is what I did. I wrote these long form features. I got into a topic. I covered it and then I moved on.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Which was insane, you know, they're supposed to be organizing the world's information and the idea of delivering quality results. How could that be? I mean, you thought how long have these results been out there? I always just thought of this sort of teenage kid in their bedroom just interested in who the Nazis are. You did like, is Hitler evil and you got a whole result saying, no, Hitler is actually a really good guy?”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Turkey everywhere. Yeah, and there was this idea that Google would try to, you know, in their responses to me, they refused to acknowledge, first of all, they refused to acknowledge there was anything wrong here, there was any problem at all. And then they were like, well, it just reflects what people are searching for.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I think Everywhere, Turkey, everywhere. So you got interested in how this was built, which most Silicon Valley people say, hey, it's just a benign platform that was their excuse. Hey, we're just putting, this is what people are searching for.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because they're using it as their build Of sidelined into mainstream. That's right. That's right. And I think one of the first things again, it was out of TED actually when I heard Eugenie Morozov talk about the way that Lukashenko in Belarus had discovered the internet was this great friend.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because they're using it well. They're using it as they were built, as they were architected. I always say there was an architecture. You can, in the beginning, Google was more context accuracy and speed. And then it turned into virality speed and engagement.”
2019-07-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Journalist Carole Cadwalladr · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT