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Caroline Paul

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  1. Yeah, so I was the news reporter for quite a few years there, KPFA in the eighties. And at the time, all these stories were coming across my desk about the San Francisco Fire Department and how racist and sexist it was. This was 86, 87 And I thought, oh, well, maybe I'll do an undercover story. So I'll sign up to take this test to become a firefighter, which is, I mean, as far as my life as you can imagine, because I had grown up going to boarding school, going to Stanford, and

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  2. Yeah, it's part of the Pacifica chain of radio, sort of public radio-esque, more radical, though. And they have a great internship program where basically most of the station is run by volunteers and you don't come in and push papers. You actually throw you right in to making, to doing stories. That's

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  3. So I graduate from Stanford and really was sort of on the trajectory to lead a sort of, you know, briefcase carrying life of sorts, which I didn't want. Didn't want to be in an office, couldn't imagine it. But I wanted to be maybe a documentary filmmaker or journalist somewhere where I could be outside in the field somehow. And so I was volunteering at the time at KPFA in Berkeley.

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  4. Oh, I mean that was I never thought about firefighting. I didn't grow up thinking about firefighting. I wasn't one of those kids who wanted to be a firefighter. It wasn't an option when I was a kid. There were no female firefighters. The only firefighters I knew were the volunteer firefighters in our small town, and they were all men. And so firefighting I fell into literally, not literally, but I tripped into it. I graduate from Stanford and

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  5. He was a banker with Morgan Stanley, so he was transferred there. Two years. Actually, he had been transferred there two years earlier, so he spent four years total in my childhood, and then moved to Connecticut and lived in the country. And I sort of think of myself as a country girl, but when I really parse it out, I've probably not spent most of my time in the country. But I definitely think of myself as somebody who grew up in a rural setting.

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  6. We had a varied life for sure. I have an identical twin and a younger brother. And we grew up in New York City until about third grade. And in fact, my mom, she's a bit embarrassed about this now, but when I was eight, I took two public buses to school on my own, which is unheard of now. And this was the 70s. New York was not, I mean, it was a dangerous place then. So my mom feels a bit bad about this, but I think it was great. So we lived in New York City and then moved to the country, moved to actually to Paris for two years with my father's work.

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  7. And she realized everything she'd been missing, and so when she became a mom she didn't want that for us. So in fact it turns out, and I didn't know this, and of course as kids, we never give our parents their due, and so now I get to, and I'm glad, but I think it was actually more my mom, who really wanted us to go experience a lot of things. And while neither of my parents were outdoorsy, they definitely wanted us to try everything just a little bit, like so we had to play an instrument and we're so not musical. That was fine. They let us, we had to play it for a certain amount of time and then we could drop it. They taught us to ski, they took us sledding, that kind of thing. So they opened up our life. They were not outdoorsy and they didn't participate, but they allowed it and encouraged it.

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  8. Actually, neither of my parents were very hands on activity. Again, it was parenting by sort of pushing them out the door and telling you to come back. This was one of the few times, actually, that my dad and I sort of built something or made something. And so I was definitely closer to my dad, though, than my mom until later in life. And then, of course, you know, it's the mother daughter sort of relationship, which is much more complicated, just like the father son, I think. But it's funny because my mom, I didn't give her really any credit for my ability to run off and have adventures or develop that spirit of adventure. And in fact, I showed her the op-ed before it was done. And she read it. And that's when she turned to me and she said, you know, my mom was a real scaredy cat and she never let us do anything her and her sister. And when I was twenty one, I went on a ski trip. And it was a revelation. It was so fun.

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  9. I mean, my parents were good parents, but they knew nothing about rivers. They didn't care. It was just like, I think they helped us, like, Ferry this big square to the river and then we set sail.

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  10. So, anyway, and we set sail on this river in our town called the Husatonic, which of course is where they hold these really high, have you heard of it They hold big whitewater kayak races on that river.

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  11. Let me just, it wasn't really a boat. It was more like a raft because, like I said, my dad didn't know anything. So we ended up downgrading the pirate shit up idea to basically, you know, a bunch of milk cartons wrapped in garbage bags taped and then put between plywood. and nailed together and we made a flat and then I made a flag I picked my crew and my crew basically was my twin sister And my friend Charlie and then this poor exchange student from France, I think she just didn't understand what I was saying.

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  12. Yeah, right. It was sort of decorative and also practical. So I would read those voraciously. And in one of them was this article about a milk carton boat race. And I thought I want to do that. I want to build a milk carton boat. So I had this grand plan of a pirate ship because these boats in these pictures were amazing. What I forgot was I don't know how to build anything. My dad doesn't know how to build anything. But that didn't matter. I collected milk cartons for months and failed to wash them out because I was a kid and I didn't and so they started to really reek. They were all under my bed. Wash them out. That was a revelation. And then I asked my dad to help me, and so we built a milk carton boat.

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  13. Yeah, adults paid no attention to us, which was awesome. Like, I didn't even know that you were supposed to actually interact socially with adults until as an adult I saw kids doing that.

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  14. A Cornwall, Connecticut. So it's a rural part of Connecticut, northwest corner. And we basically spent our days biking all over the place. We were not adult supervised, just come home by dark. We skateboarded. We went cross-country skiing. We rode horses. We basically had an outdoors life. We built forts. We weren't allowed to watch TV. We had no TV then. And so I guess that sort of fed that or gave me the idea that adventure was possible.

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  15. The worst way you feel for a dead body? So you swim very slowly, one hand holding a rope because you're guided from the top because you want to do a certain pattern. And the other hand just reaching out very slowly and feeling. And if you do the search pattern right, you pretty much cover a pretty wide area. But you don't see anything. I don't even pipes, cans.

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  16. It's nothing It's literally nothing. I mean, the first couple feet, it's sort of, you can see a little, then it gets murky brown. And then the bay, the bottom of the bay is actually a couple feet, I think, of silt And so when you drop down to search, you drop down and you can feel mud, even though you're wearing like a super thick suit You can still kind of feel the mud, and then you have to sink even lower to hit the actual bottom. So you're actually swimming very slowly through silt. So you can't see anything

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  17. There's lots of mixed emotions because, first of all, it's really exciting and I love adventure. So it's adventurous. But I've never been great with dead bodies. Great with dead bodies. I don't love them. I mean, I don't love coming upon them. I always get a little bit of the Heeby Jeebies right before I walk up to someone who I know is dead. I have to gird myself just a little. And so, when you're looking for a body in the bay, it's kind of like searching for a monster because bodies in the water decompose very fast, they bloat, fish, crabs eat the eyes. Yeah, I know.

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  18. Yes, well I was a San Francisco firefighter from nineteen eighty nine to two thousand three, and I worked on a rig called Rescue two and we were trained not only to rescue and fires but to do all sorts of technical rescues and one of them was to be a dive rescuer mostly not a rescuer recoverer we did body recoveries and so I must have been talking about one of my attempted body recoveries

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