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Cat Wu

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“We appreciate everyone being so engaged with us. It gives a team a ton of energy. We have this channel of user love. And so whenever you guys share a success story, we post it there. And whenever you guys share issues with our product, we put it into our feedback channel. That way our broader team is able to act on it.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The best way to reach out is I am underscore cat wu on Twitter. Feel free to tag me in things. Feel free to DM me. I read all my DMs. I don't always respond to every single one, but I will read them all. And then the thing that is most helpful is tell us where CloudCode and Cowork aren't working well for you. We are very grateful for the amount of positive feedback but the thing that we thrive on is edge cases, errors, like specific tasks that we can reproduce where code or cowork fail because if you're able to share that with us and we're able to reproduce it, then this is something that we're able to actively improve for our next generations of models and for our next harnesses.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The backlog is pretty big. I think there's just like so much we can learn from history and so much that I don't understand as well as I would love to. Like, I don't know anything about physics or like robotics or like any hardware or like aerospace or there's just so many interesting topics. So I'm excited to learn even knowing that the AGI will already know it.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think it will take a long time for AGI to diffuse across society. So I think the immediate thing is actually just helping bring the world along. I think by non-serious answer for after this happens is I'll probably just do a lot of rock climbing. I'll probably just live in some probably move to like fountain blue and just like live amongst 10,000 boulders and climb for a bit. There's also so many books I want to read that my goal is to be able to read one or two books a week and I'm currently at probably like 0.5”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I think this is my favorite reason to work at a startup at some point in your life because one thing that was like very life changing for me was actually working at scale when we were 20 people. And so there was just no process and we had like really big problems that we needed to solve. It was like I really appreciate Alex and the rest of the team for like empowering me and the rest of the team to just like figure things out without any boundaries for what Sales supposed to do, what off supposed to do, what engineer is supposed to do just like you have all the tools at your disposal you have some like ambitious hairy problem statement and you can do whatever you need to like get to a good solution”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's liberating actually to like tell people this. I think in a lot of companies roles are very strictly defined. Like, okay, this is what the PM does, this is what the designer does, this is what the engineer does. And then even team scopes are very rigidly defined. So, hey, like this corner of the codebase we touch and this corner like we're not allowed to touch. And I think what just do things lets people do is they feel like empowered to make these decisions, empowered to operate across team boundaries just to like get something done.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think there's a lot of value in first principles thinking, and if you know what you're optimizing for and you have like strong first principles, then you can normally do what the right course of action is and be able to clearly articulate that to all the stakeholders. And then you should just like do it. Like I think jobs are fake if you understand the constraints you can figure out what you can do and then just like try to do it quickly learn from the mistakes and apologize or fix them if you did something wrong.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Totally, and I think it's also changed the vernacular. Like, a lot of people at Anthropic love Waymo. And I think in the past, you would be like, hey, like, what's called blah, rideshare app? And now, like, everyone's just like, okay, is Waymo here?”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I always saw Waymo need to be priced lower than Uber and Lyft to succeed, but actually I'm like very happy to pay a 2x premium for it”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Product that is like most change my life outside of cloud products is probably way more like I'm a diehard Waymo user use it twice a day get to and from work so the two things that I really like about it are one I don't feel bad if a Waymo is waiting for me and so I feel like I feel less pressure to be right at the curbside the moment it arrives and the second thing is I feel like it lets me be a bit more productive When I'm in the car with another human, I typically try not to like do any work calls. I feel a little rude if I'm like on my laptop the whole time. But one thing I really appreciate about the Waymo is I can call into a work hall. I'm not worried about someone overhearing me. I'm not worried about, hey, is this like rude? Am I talking too loud? Do I need to tell ask someone to like change the music? And so this has been like, I feel like this has given me back like 30 minutes every day.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I actually have a rock climber. I first watched Free Solo before I climbed rocks. And so I thought it was impressive. I didn't understand how impressive it was. It's one of the rare movies where the more you know about it, the more you're blown away by how insane this is. Like the kinds of movies he's doing on the wall are things that like I don't think I will ever be able to do in my lifetime if it were set in a gym like one feet off the ground.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I really like drive to survive. There's no deeper meaning to it. I just, there's just something very satisfying about people being so obsessed with a singular engineering goal and just like the purity of the pursuit. And I also really love Free Solo, which is about Alex Honald climbing El Capitan without a harness. And I think similarly, it's just such a pure achievement to be able to climb this extremely challenging dangerous route and to be able to have the mental focus to do it knowing that if you make a single mistake, you die.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I really like how Asia works. It's a story about economic development and what are the policies and governments that make long-lasting successful economies. The other books that I'm really into are the Technology Trap. So this is actually about the past few technology revolutions, so the Industrial Revolution and the Computer Revolution, and how this has affected workers. The reason that I really like this is because I think there's a lot we can learn from history to make sure that this transition goes well. And maybe on like a fun note, I really like paper menagerie. It's just like a book of short stories about coming of age and AI and just like self-discovery.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think the big shift is that the 2024 generation of products were chat based and the cloud code generation of products is action-based. Like big aha moment people have is when Claude can just like do things on your behalf. It is an amazing feeling to know that the agent is capable of doing so much more than telling you what to do. Like the agent can actually just do it itself. And when people feel that I think that's the eye-opening moment.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Much it's useful, and I think there's a cap of people who maybe spent so much time customizing that they're like not sleeping and not doing the core task that they originally set out to do.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Also, I think there's a lot of people who spend a lot of time customizing their workflow. So there's like, I think there's like two ends of the spectrum. One is like people who never customize or never build automations. But there's like this polar opposite end of people who obsess around customizing their tool, like adding a ton of skills and MCPs and these like workflow improvements. And I think sometimes that can even distract from your core goal of launching some product or building some feature. I think there's a lot of fun in customizing and we definitely want to make our products very hackable so that you can make it work really well for you. But there is a limit to”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“See a lot of people playing around with AI and building prototype apps and tinkering with building workflows. I would really push people towards building apps that you're actually using every single day because I think only through that usage are you actually getting the value. Like if you build a prototype app that Isn't helping you get more done than the AI isn't really adding value to your Your”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We also are working on making the flow for customizing these commands a lot easier because right now I think you have to like know too many concepts. You have to know to define a skill. You have to know to use this skill and give it feedback. And then you have to know to tell co-work to update the skill based on all the feedback that you gave. And then you also have to know where to read the skill to make sure that the feedback was incorporated the way that you want. It's also our job to make this flow really seamless so that it doesn't feel painful to do.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I am guilty of this too. I've been teaching it. I've been teaching co-work to try to get me to inbox zero for Gmail. And it has not been very time-consuming and it is definitely not there, as you probably real”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Exactly. I would also push listeners towards focusing on bringing your automations from, okay, this is a cool concept to like, hey, this actually works 100% of the time. Like sometimes I see users trying to automate something, getting it to like 90, 95% accuracy, and then giving up on it. And this, if an automation doesn't work 100% of the time, it's not really an automation. And that last 5 to 10% does take more time. Also building the automation is often a lot slower than you doing it yourself. I would encourage listeners to put in that time to scope some automation that you really want to get to 100%, put in the elbow grease to teach quality preferences to like give it feedback so that it can improve its skill so that it can get to that 100% and then like really then you'll be able to rely on it.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The grunt work, then you have this extra 20% time now that you might not have before. So my push is to lean into these tools, hand off the work that you're not excited to do, figure out how it can accelerate you. And then as a result, you'll be able to do so much more.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Think AI gives everybody a ton more leverage than they used to. And so I would push you towards anytime you realize that you're doing some manual task multiple times. Most people have like creative parts of their job that they absolutely love. And then like TDS parts of their job that they really hate doing, I think the beauty of AI is that it can do those tedious parts for you. It can learn from every time that you've done that manual task and generalize and then run it automatically. And so that you can focus on the creative parts. And that means you can do a lot more than you used to be able to do. I think my like immediate push for people is figure out the repetitive parts that you can pass to Claude, iterate on those automations until the success rate is very high. And then focus on, okay, what more can you be doing for your team, for your product, for your company that like people haven't had the bandwidth to pick up so far? Or does that like pet project that you always thought the company should do that like you've never had bandwidth to do? If AI can take care of...”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And so, what is the infrastructure we need to build to enable that? At that point, you're probably not going to run everything locally on your machine anymore. There's just like not enough RAM to do it. And so we're thinking about how do we make it easier for you to manage all these? These will probably run remotely. How do we build the interface so that you as a human know which tasks you need to look into? How do we make sure that the agent is fully verifying its work so that When you look at a task and it says it's done, you like can very quickly verify and fully trust that it is done to your spec. And how do we make sure that this process is self-improving so that when you do see a task that isn't done to your liking, you can give it feedback and the model will know for every future run to incorporate that feedback. So never makes that mistake again. So this is the progression that we're bringing our users along for.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We think about this in terms of building blocks. So for both quad code and co-work, the core building block is making individual tasks successful. So you wanted to produce some output, you give it a queer prompt description. Is it able to consistently produce acceptable output that you're able to either merge or share with your colleagues or external audience? So the task is the core building block. As the models get smarter, the task success rate gets a lot higher. And then we see people moving towards doing multiple tasks at the same time. So multi-clotting was this big thing and towards the end of 2025 and it's only increased since then. And so we see this as, okay, great. One task works and now you can do like six tasks at a time. As a models get even smarter, the way that we extrapolating this is, okay, next, maybe you're going to run like 50 calls at a time or 100s of cods at a time.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, exactly. It's pretty important to build products that don't necessarily work yet so that you know, okay, what is missing for this product to work? And then with the newest model, you can just swap it into the prototype you've already made and see, okay, does this new model close up?”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We found that this was, we've always dreamed of Claude being able to be a reliable code reviewer that can actually, that we can confidently feel catch his majority of bugs. And it was only with Opus 4.5 and 4.6 and Sonic 4.6 that we felt like, okay, we are now able to run multiple code review agents simultaneously to traverse the entirety of the code base and to synthesize a set of like real issues that an engineer needs to address before merge. And so this is like a new capability that the new WIST models have unlocked.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, we can remove a lot of prompting interventions every time the model gets smarter. And we actually do this every time we launch a model. We read through the entire system prompt and we reflect on, okay, for each of these sections, does the model really need this reminder anymore? And if not, we'll remove it. The most exciting thing that new models unlocks, though, is just like entirely new features. So there's a lot of features that we've been testing out with prior models and the accuracy wasn't high enough for us to want to launch them. And so one example of this is code review. We tried to build a code review product a few times and we've launched like simple versions of code review with just the slash code review command in the past. And it was only with the most recent models that we felt like, okay, this code review is so good that our engineering team relies on this code review to pass before we merge PRs.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That Caud was actually able to fix all these 20 call sites. But then with Opus 4 and later models, we realized that we didn't need to force it to use this to-do list. It would naturally use it itself. For the earlier models, we had to keep reminding it, hey, did you finish everything on to-do list? You can't finish until you're done with everything on the to-do list. And for the later models, without prompting, it just like naturally things to do everything on the to-do list. These days, the to-do list is still nice to have as like a user because then you can more clearly see what Claud is working on. But honestly, it's such a de-emphasized part of the product right now that the model may use it, the model may not use it. It's like really not necessary for it to make thorough changes anymore.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A lot of the changes that we make with a new model is removing features that are no longer needed. So a lot of times we add features to the product as a crutch for the model because it's not naturally doing itself. So the classic example for this is the to-do list. When we first launched Cloud Code, people would ask it to do these large refactors and COD code would say, okay, cool. I need to change these like 20 call sites and it would go and change five of them and then stop. And then we were like, okay, how do we like force it to remember to get every single one of these 20? And so sit on our team was like, okay, what if we just like think about what a human would do? A human would like make a list of everything that they need to change similar to how in VS Code you would look up all the call sites and OVS on the left side and you would like go through them one by one and replace all. How do we give this kind of like a tool to claud? And so he added the to-do list and we found that with”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“When you reflect on everyone you've worked with, there's just some people where you're like, I really like their energy. Like I really like their vibe. And when people think about Claude and Claud Code, this is one of the things that people bring up the most where they just really love that COD is like lighthearted and fun, but it also is extremely confident at your task. People really like that Cod's low ego. And so if you tell it, hey, you did this thing wrong. It's like truly sorry. It's like, oh, shoot. Like, thanks for telling me. Like, let me fix it. Let's work together. It's also very positive. So if you're feeling like, oh, this is like an insurmountable task. I don't know how to get started. Claude is like, okay, it's okay. These are like the steps that I think we should take. Like, do you want me to get started on it for you?”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Just like loves writing a ton of memories, but like, we're not sure if the memories are high quality or not. Or like some people will notice that, okay, this model loves to test itself, which is great, or like this model isn't testing itself enough. So that informs what data we look at to verify, okay, is this a larger pattern? We have a ton of data, but it is very hard to extract insights. And so the feedback from this group helps us inform, okay, what are the hypotheses we want to test? And then we're able to extract data to test that.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Two people who I think are incredible at this are one, Amanda, who molds Claude's character. It's just like such a hard role because the task is so Ambiguous, even coding is easier because you can verify the success, whereas crafting the character requires a very strong sense of conviction in who quad should be. And I think she has an incredible ability to not only mold the character, but also to like articulate what the goals are, what the character's successful and what's not. The other group of people who I really trust is just like the Cloud Code team. So we often have team lunches and whenever there's a new model we're testing, one of the fastest ways for us to get feedback is to just like at these team lunches, just like go to every single person and just be like, hey, what is your vibe on the model? And oftentimes we'll get feedback like, okay, this model is like not fully explaining its thinking. It's like too abrupt or like, hey, this model is like.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think the importance of evals varies a bit based on the feature that you're working on and or like what the problem you're trying to solve is so there are a lot of folks on our team who do spend a lot of time working on evals we have a small pod of folks who collaborate very closely with research to more precisely understand our cloud code behaviors and what the largest areas of improvement are and trying to measure those pretty concretely I personally jump into evals when there's a feature that I think needs a bit more product definition and often the output of this is okay here are like five evals that I made this is how you run them these are the ones that succeed and these are the ones that don't and this is like the prompt that I've used to increase the success rate it varies a lot though based on the exact feature”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“What misled it so that you can fix the harness in order to close the scalp? The other thing that helps is to figure out who are the users who you trust the most to give you accurate feedback about the model. Usually there's like a handful of people who are much better than others at articulating what makes a specific model or model harness combination good. There's a lot of people who will give you feedback, but not everyone's feedback is as qualified. And so finding a group of those like five people you trust is really important for getting very fast feedback. I think the third thing that is useful, but not everyone loves doing is building evals. You don't need to build hundreds of evals for them to be useful. Just building 10 great evals is important for helping the team quantify what the goal is and what their progress towards it is and what they're missing.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think it's spending a ton of time talking and using the model. One of the things I really like to do is to ask the model to introspect on its own behaviors. So sometimes when I notice that the model does something unexpected, like for example, there's like situations where the model will make a front-end change and run tests, but not actually use the UI. It's actually pretty useful to ask the model to reflect on why I did this. And sometimes you'll say that, hey, there's like something confusing in the system prompt, or I didn't realize that the front-end verification was part of this task, or hey, I delegated the verification to this sub agent, and the sub agent didn't do the test, and I didn't check its work. A lot of times just like being very curious about why the model made the decision that it did will show you.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Easy to build the product for the super HEI strong model. I think the hard thing is figuring out for the current model how do you elicit the maximum capability? How do you help users? Go get onto Golden path, how do you guide users to interact with the model's strengths and patch its weaknesses? This skill is like pretty rare.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But I think there are patterns that the best PMs can see based on how users are abusing the limits of the existing product. And the best PMs can sense that can set a direction and can steadily execute towards it and change the path if the model capabilities are much better than or worse than what they had originally expected. I think it is very hard to be the right amount of AGI pilled because I think everyone can see this like this future where the models are extremely smart and can do almost everything, in which case you actually don't need that complicated product. You can actually just have a text box again where you tell the model what you want. And it's so smart that it can add any tool or add any integration that it needs to like get the job done. It knows when it's uncertain. It can ask clarifying questions.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think the hardest skill is being able to define what the product should look like a month from now. I think there's a lot of ambiguity in what models are capable of in that timeline and how user behavior will change.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think we also believe a lot in empowering our internal teams to build as fast as possible. And we also trust that everyone understands how much capacity that serving these models truly costs and we trust our team to use the tokens responsibly. So it's very frowned upon to waste tokens. But we do trust individuals to make that judgment call.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It is queer to us that as the models get better, people delegate four more tasks to it and they spend a lot more hours in tools like Cloud Code and Cowork. And so we do see the token cost per engineer or any knowledge worker increase every time that there is a model jump or like a substantial product improvement. I think it's still much lower than what the average engineer salary is, but we see the percentage increasing over time.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That to the notes so that during the customer call, the Pod AI person has the absolute latest. And these are just workflows that people are building for themselves and sharing with other people on their team.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah. And then we also see them pushing the boundaries of what co-work can do. So, for example, a lot of these folks cover multiple customers. And at any given day, can have like five to ten customer engagements on a high day. And so what they often use co-work to do is the night before, they'll ask it to summarize, okay, what are all my customer meetings that are coming up the next day? What are all the things that this customer has asked me for? What's top of mind for them? What are the action items from the past meetings? And co-work will just put together this dossier, this like brief of what they should be aware of going into the next meeting. And co-work can also research answers. So if a customer asked, okay, when is feature X going to launch? Co-work can help the Pyte AI person research through Slack to get the latest ETA, add that to the”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, it's helping our customers adopt the latest API and model features across our company, both for powering their company's products and also for internal acceleration.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Oh, applied AI is amazing at pushing the boundaries of what cloud code and cowork can do. A lot of our Applied AI team spends time with our customers helping them adopt our API. And so sometimes our Appi team will, for example, make prototypes on behalf of these customers, which CloudCode makes so much faster than it used to be. They also have the dual goal of needing to manage a lot of customer comms, a lot of customer inbound and historical context call notes. And so they're both extremely heavy on cowork and on COD code.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and I also love how easy they've made to customize it. And so we love making Slack bots and this kind of like hackability means that we're able to integrate with Slack the way that we want to. So really appreciate Slack's work on that.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think it's pretty important communications infrastructure. And I think they do the core task of helping everyone get real-time updates incredibly well.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Needs XYZ security controls. And so we'll make sure to add a slide or two in their deck about that. And then, for example, if this is a customer that's on Vertex or Bedrock and doesn't want to use Cloud for Enterprise, then we'll just take out some of the slides that are Clod for Enterprise only features. And so normally this is like manual work that could take 20, 30 minutes. And so people either like spend that time doing it or they'll just decide not to do it and use the general deck with this it takes like a few seconds and you get a tailored deck.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“One of the sales folks on COD code, he realized he was making these repetitive decks over and over and over again. And so he actually has this web app that he built with the examples of the core Cloud Code decks that we know work well. So like a 101, 201, and mastering Cloud Code. And then he has a way to input specific customer context that pulls from Salesforce, that pulls from Gong, that pulls from other notes so that we can customize the decks for specific customers. And so we'll pull out things like, okay, this customer is using like bedrock or cod for enterprise or console, which affects what features are available to them. It'll pull out things like, okay, this customer is concerned about the code review stage of the SLC. And so we'll add a slide about our code review features there. It'll pull out things like, okay, this customer needs to be like HIPAA compliant or”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, my stack is pretty heavily quad code, co work, and sluck, anthropic largely runs on Slack. I feel like it's like the core OS of our company. And day-to-day, like... A lot of, I would say maybe 30% of my time is. Pushing the boundaries of what co work and quad code can do so that I have a very strong sense of what we're not good at. I spent a lot of time talking with the model to understand why it makes mistakes that it does. We actually have a lot of internal tools that we make. Like I think one of the things that Cloud Code has really unlocked for our entire company is it really lowers the barrier to making any custom app that you want. And so we've seen this like surge in personalized work software that people are building for like custom use cases instead of using tools that don't perfectly fit the use case case.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, what I did for this is we actually already have a standardized deck that we use across all of our external engagements. And so I just gave Claude access to that. And so it's able to see what colors we use, what fonts we use, the different kinds of, what's it called, like slide formats that are possible. And so it has like 20 of these example slides. I'll give an example.”
2026-04-23 · Lenny's Podcast · How Anthropic’s product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source