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  1. I've been all in. Don't have, like, I have a lot more I want to do. But I don't have things that regret have not done I don't fear it. I don't fear it.

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  2. I definitely think about mortality. And am I afraid of my own death? Depends on the moment I don't fear it so much. I fear. My kids or my wife and not being able to be there for them. That bothers me. Outside of that. I know that I put everything into what I the life that I've lived. You said there's always more, but I've lived hard. I've loved hard. Every moment in my life I've made connections and impacted people around me. For the better, and this tracks back, which is crazy when we are doing the documentary and they're interviewing people through my whole life and the consistency of the themes of anyone like anything for Duffin, like just sure, I'll fly in from Boston, like these people, like all like it is crazy. Like everybody had a story about me giving just over and over. And I didn't even really just.

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  3. Don't stress yourself out that you've got to have this perfect thing because this process of understanding your values and the introspect, that takes time

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  4. By others for years. And in fact, that entire time I knew that that's what I wanted to do, but I didn't go out on it. I mentored some of my friends along the same path to go, no, they're like, I'm ready. I'm ready to go do this. And I'm like, no, now you need to go get a job. Yeah, you know engineering management design, all that stuff. Go get a job as a manager now. Like, oh, that's a step down. I can't do that. I'm like, go try it. A couple years later, oh my God, that was such a good move. I didn't know what I didn't know. And now they're an executive for freaking Fortune 500 company. And the same thing. Like, I sat there knowing that I was getting a free education. Don't stress yourself out as my, that's my advice.

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  5. Managing people base level, floor level, right? And I got a lot out that was perfectly aligned with what, and that's what I realized. It didn't matter what industry I was in or any of those other things. But I was able, you can see so many things. There's so many paths that you can go down to help you realize what those things are. And you're going to be able to find a lot of those nuggets. And develop those. Do you think that I could have just gone to school and got out and started a globally recognized brand within a few years without having been schooled in business while getting paid for it?

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  6. But within that, you can start discovering the things that are there for you. Like I talked about, I made this huge shift. I threw away my whole life. But I don't regret anything about that. I wouldn't be where I was if I didn't walk through and learn those things. And in fact, in the course of that, I learned just how much that inspiring people and helping them realize the potential far beyond what they thought was capable. And guess what? That was leadership 101.

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  7. Is you don't have it figured out. Don't worry, just jump in. We talked a lot about understanding your values and aligning all that stuff. You got to have a base level of start exploring and learning and just spending the time. Doing like pick something. Let me elaborate a little bit

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  8. Just the training environment People hit me up at a school or wherever, like hey, how do I get into? I want to grow my brand online. I want to do this. Like, where do I start? I'm like, go get a job at Planet Fitness or 24-hour fitness. They're like, but I want to, you know, how do I get, you know, recognized and write articles and be an online coach? I'm like, you need to go spend. A few years one on one training people. To learn, like the interaction, how people respond, there's base levels you have to do. You've got to go work your way up from the ground. I truly believe it

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  9. A lot of shit dumb. It doesn't matter what you're doing. You got to have experience. Trying and doing. All these things that you would never like. My skill set is massive because I want to know, like, you need to have those touch points. My job, my title is chief visionary. But I've spent time doing. Everything. It's not about just creating this amazing strategy or vision, and I'm just going to be there and this person that directs and like, like, like, like, You can't be effective. You cannot connect the dots. Unless you've been in the moment with everything.

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  10. But I don't want to do that stuff. So, you could use delegating if you're a manager position, but it's outsourcing whatever it is. But there are also so many things. And this ties back to your point around just doing it. There's a point to experiencing all levels to really understand things. You need to spend time at the same time doing all those things because there could be good, huge, massive gaps in there that you're not aware of, that are key for you or key to be having done different or so on. So like in my company days, I was one of the few executives that came in that could do anything on the floor from code to machine, run a lathe, a mill, weld, do all step into engineering like. And that added tremendous value to me, to having had spent time being a doer and not enough people want to be, you've got to just go do shit.

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  11. So you've got to distill stuff down. You've got to really understand what's important to you in life and where you're going. And when you're looking at anything in your life, the first thing that you need to do is figure out. I need to do it and just quit doing it. Just quit doing things in your life. And you'll see that a lot of stuff that you think has to be done doesn't have to be done. You be surprised And then from there, the tech okay. What can I automate? What can I not have to do in a repeated fashion? And then the last one, yeah, wherever possible, if it's not something that I'm adding tremendous value to? Like, my uniqueness, people like, oh, you must do the auto work on your vehicles because you love working. I'm like, fuck that. Don't they're like, what? That doesn't make any sense. And I'm like, no, I love creating things

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  12. And so But at the same time, find somewhere in my career something I've done where I haven't outworked everybody. Just so much on distilling things down to what's important. And You've got to make time To sit back and assess and think and be introspective. You have to make time for this. Because if not, you're going to waste so much time sitting there, walking sideways when you're You got to do is move just one step in front of the other each day. Just one. That's all I say. Because it's going to add up, but you could spend six months knocking shit out, doing your routine, busting your ass, and not take that one step.

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  13. Things that I need to do and how much of it was filling the space, because so much of human nature, when you're failing, is to make yourself feel like you're accomplishing things. This is when things go on your list, on your checklist, and you start like rolling up. So are you running around just getting shit done?

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  14. My wife anybody will say, I'm a workaholic. And the first thing that I would do when it would be doing a company, a company turnaround. They'd hire me come in and I would be taking over for someone that wasn't successful. But it was usually hardly ever for lack of want or trying. So a lot of times they knew they were unsuccessful and they were running around working six, seven days a week, 12 hour days, doing so much. And it'd be like, well, you need to do this. And they train me. I'm like, all the reports and this and all the things. And like, good luck. Good luck. I couldn't do it. And the first thing I would do is nothing. I would do nothing. Then I would find what actually keeps coming back.

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  15. This definitely encompasses like. I'm the intellectual and I'm the meat head. I'm the workaround the clock. And go fix the processes and make it so much better type person, right? That's me and a whole, that's everything. That's my life story, right? Busting your ass to find the easiest way possible. Like, I will build. A custom hydraulic cart that will lift my plates up to the height of my squat. So that I can minimize, roll it over next to it, and then minimize the effort of it going on and off to be able to lift the most amount of weight as possible. So that I can save the energy from here from lifting those up and the fatigue of my back being in bad position so I can Nearly kill myself over here

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  16. Anytime that you feel that way, that is when you need to turn inward. And it's hard to do, but there is a reason that you have those emotions around someone else and what they're doing, that you have an opportunity to look at yourself and know why you feel that way. And that, guess what? That's going to be the hard thing to do. That's going to be the thing. Again, that's stirring you a little bit because it's so much easier to sit there or talk to your confidant or whatever instead of go, why does that bother me? Why does what that person doing or what that person's achieving bother me?

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  17. That you push yourself to anybody that is at that level. And this is funny in competitive sports, like you go online and people just bash, bash, bash, bash, bash, bash, bash. You go talk to anybody, anybody, anybody that's a high-level athlete within that field, and nobody has a single bad thing to say about each other. But all this chitter chatter down there. I mean, I know exactly what you're saying.

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  18. Blanche Shrunk did was incredible. And that, and that ate me up. And what's funny is the people that bash him are like on the media or politicians or maybe some actors. And guess what? A ton of them are doing the same thing. It's hypocrisy at its finest, trust me. How many of those figures you're watching in movies that love to talk be political and do this and the news and all this? I'm telling you, there are anti-aging clinics like all over California and everywhere else. Who do you think keeps them in business? It's not a competitive lifter. I'll tell you that.

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  19. Just picking and choosing. Here's what I want to know. This is what I want to be able to try to achieve. And so, yeah, yeah, that's what I did.

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  20. It is straight up. So, you just need to be okay with it yourself. And so I had to make the call. I want to see what the true potential is of, let's throw everything out the window that I feel, unless I feel it's a risk from a health standpoint that I'm not willing to take on Because that's how do I, like it's just picking and choosing

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  21. No matter if I push to a less weight and if I disclosed everything that I did and I wasn't using steroids in my opinion, if we went through everything, there would be people that would say you're using performance enhancing. No matter what.

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  22. So it was a really hard lesson that took me a lot of time to unwind. But it is interesting, and people don't discuss those things because it's either this or this.

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  23. I do this sometimes with myself and guests, and it will change the conversation, lubricates the conversation. Definitely not the excess, which is what I learned because I went all the way in because I do everything at extremes.

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  24. In very time sensitive, but it can be so much more powerful than like drugs people use. For this stuff It ties really together with meditative state and other pieces to get you into that flow state, those thoughts about failure what if, whatever, like all that you get into that zone, that moment, that time. Anyway, so interesting, an alcoholic is promoting.

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  25. But it works. That's where I stole it from because I was watching all these Russian lifters would. Have a shot of vodka or something before they go lift. And I'm like, there's something here. So I started experimenting with it. And I'm like, that works. And then I started researching. Nobody talks about this stuff. So it takes a while to start piecing together all the stuff that actually happens to make that happen. But it moves away the things that you're going to, the concerns about the ramifications in the future and the other stuff. But brings you into the moment. And then the dopamine hit and the other. And then it enhances whatever mood that you're in. But all of a sudden you get in the state. Much easier And so it's really, really interesting. But it's very small amount needed.

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  26. And you're like, you know, when you got second guess, oh, should I? And they go, have a shot of liquid courage. You have one. And all of a sudden, the second thoughts, the second guessing, all that drops away. Like you're focused in the moment and you walk over and you actually perform a little better, like conversation-wise than you normally would. Now, if you have five or six and then go over, you're going to make a fool of yourself. So it's all about timing an amount. But there is a reason that that happens. So anyway, I'm known for promoting this whiskey and deadlift concept.

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  27. It doesn't matter the source. So shots are the easiest. You want something that is not going to have some sort of regurgitatory effect or bloating effect or anything like that. But you want to have the quick hit of energy. So it's a preferential energy source moves above ketones, carbs, everything. At seven calories per gram, but then there's some really interesting things that happen spikes blood pressure, which is going to make weights feel lighter. So when you're in your early 20s and you're trying to hit up some attractive person at the bar and you're with your buddies.

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  28. I think people should avoid steroids. TRT, probably something worth taking a look at what your levels are when you're in the 35 to 45 range and see what decision you decide to make from there. And that's a decision that you make for the rest of your life. The only times that you should be taking a look at steroids is if it's funding your life. It's creating that it is your job and it's doing like, and honestly it was for me so was it the only thing? No. Want to get into neurology, neurotransmitters and alcohol. There's really interesting discussion on performance enhancement. So when I lift heavy. And so I always promote it like not more than a drink or two once or twice a month is all I'm talking about when I. When I'm saying this

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  29. Everybody else that he was competing against, I'm sorry. I hate to blow anybody's bubble, but regardless if I told you my ethical pieces with saying that you're going to be at something at an elite level. You look at most a lot of those big figures out there. Their income and your life relies on it You're going to push those limits. So maybe my ethical would change if I was in that position too. Because here's the thing what I believe. Like someone is.

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  30. It's not going to at most. Guess what? I was already at an elite level. I was one of the best in the world before I started using. It doesn't do that. It does a 10% increase at best And that's proven in the statistics, which is interesting because most people don't know this. The data is right there.

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  31. And honestly, you go down to 24 hour fistness, and you'll see a bunch of late 19 to 21 year old kids that are all kind of red and 150 pounds that look like that don't look like anything. A bunch of them will be using steroids because. They're not like, so it's not the champion

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  32. For me, for me, I definitely would not live without TRT, even with knowing what I know now at this age and the quality of life and being able to be there, have the energy, the recovery, that's a big thing where all this, though, I talked about muscle protein synthesis and anticatabilism as being big drivers, but recovery is the other big aspect That they offer probably as a result of those, but that's going to, those are going to be the big enhancements. So just doing steroids, steroids is going to increase all the other stuff that you do. So if you have good training, you have good diet, good quality of sleep, like all this other stuff, then you can take advantage of that. But you could choose steroids and nobody would know.

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  33. So, those are big things that people need to understand that you're going to have some things in there. And even TRT has some potential, especially at higher levels, that it's going to increase the risk for prostate cancer. It's going to potentially cause some hypertrophy of the left ventricle of the heart and some potential plaque buildup of some of those key arteries around there that's going to have an impact on your cardiovascular health. There's things that you can do. Again, but everything is like the shoe story, right? Where I'm anti-shoe, but I'm going, well, we could put band-aids on this. So it's.

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  34. Use steroid But since then, understanding all those ramifications, you know, I might not have gone down that route quite so fast and easily. But I continued because I also have a lot of resources that other people don't, and being able to assess and understand and put things in place to mitigate that. So you need to be, and the other thing is once you go on, it's literally a decision for life. But realistically is because your quality of life your feeling is going to be enhanced quite a bit. And you're not going to want to go back. And if you go back, it's going to be less than it was before. That's how the endocrine system works. There are ways to try to recover and bring that up, but it might be a while. And if you've been on for a while, it definitely is not an option.

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  35. But I put it off because I wanted to set all the drug free records and I set the ones that I wanted, and then it was 33. I'm entering the age category. And I'm like, I'm going to go on TRT. I did not feel like I should be with TRT. Personally, my ethical standard was I shouldn't be competing in tested events anymore. There are federations that will allow you with your, you show up with your script and you do your test and you're below a certain level, but you're still on. But for me, I'm like, that's not okay. So I'm like, I may as well at this point.

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  36. Because I wanted to see what I was capable of, but I was reaching a point that it was either I need to do that or not, my testosterone, my natural testosterone levels were actually, I think below 300 is actually the threshold. So I was being told to go on TRT for the last couple years. Probably just because I was pushing so hard and the stress level was driving my test down. So it was self-imposed more than likely

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  37. Because it will affect those things. But on the other end, steroids and TRT, particularly steroids, come with a lot of negative health benefits. Not benefits, a lot of negative health ramifications And so, you know, if I knew what I know now, I don't know that I would have gone that path. I didn't tell I was 33, which is kind of an outlier for a strength athlete. I was. I was a four times bodyweight deadlifter, eight hundred plus pounds at 198, and it was pretty dang strong before I went down that path

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  38. We find that men today have declining testosterone over what his historically been in the past. So right now, I think a 35-year-old testosterone is shown to be about half what it was just 50 years ago. So I don't know if we could argue the point. We don't really have the science to validate any of it, but it could be society as far as the impact that it's having on the mental health for men. It could be the estrogens floating around in the water from all the chemicals and birth control and all this sort of stuff could be a lot of things. But it is a fact that average testosterone is significantly lower. And that is going to end up affecting life. Quality of life as well as your longevity.

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  39. And they literally do nothing. I'm like always just chilling and mellowing. I don't like it. That's great. But neurologically, they're still having those effects, but I don't get those feels that other people have from those. But yes, that immediate boost in aggression and the confidence and stuff that come with a lot of those ones that deal on the neurological. Overall, a good sense of well-being, just like from being on testosterone, like it's going to affect your mood. And it's interesting. So testosterone replacement therapy, if we walk down that path now and kind of switch gears.

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  40. I have actually a neurological condition. So I actually don't feel a lot of that stuff that people, because there's certain steroids that people are very extreme ones. Like that would make somebody bite someone's ear off in a fight, for example.

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  41. But the neurological component is tremendously valuable for what it can do for your training workout. Like if I handle more load over time, I'm going to make more progress. If I can actually just stimulate more neurological effects for a specific event, it's going to have an impact, right? But there's other ways that you can tap into this too. Things that you can tap into mentally with great practice, with meditation and other stuff that will have the same effect. People probably think I'm overspeaking, especially steroid users that are listening to this. Okay, I'm talking out my ass. But I'm not because I have experience with this stuff on both ends in some of those areas a lot of people don't have the experience with that.

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  42. People that have experience with it. And the other is understanding those structures and what they do. The neurological component, I think, is more interesting than most because the most steroids act through increasing muscle protein synthesis. That's how you add more muscle is they have an anticatabolic effect and they have a muscle protein synthesis enhancing effect. So it reduces the amount of muscle that you waste.

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  43. It is. Now, the research is harder to get because of what it is. But there is a lot of research that was done when they were legal. So they were legal up and through, I think, the mid-80s. And so a lot of the classical high benefit to low risk steroids were studied. And then since then, there's a lot of like designer steroids or new steroids that have come up that don't have a lot of research around safety and risk and things of that nature. And we can't do that because it's, you know, because of the legality around these things. But some of the stuff in the neurological function is really just understanding how that chemical structure works and what it's doing to the neurotransmitters, what it's doing. And so some of it is really talking to people.

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  44. A lot of times. So, as a whole, you could definitely lift more probably than the 10% over time. And then we think about steroids as the ability to just put on muscle. And here's where things get a little interesting, even with people that use steroids is not understanding the neurological impacts that steroids have. Because you could take some steroids right now and be stronger in 10 minutes. That's clearly not done anything, you know, from physiology standpoint to make you stronger, but we have a tapped in neurologically to elicit those gains. And there's a whole lot that happens neurologically.

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  45. Yeah, absolutely. And it's just like anything. It's like I said, it is lines that we pick and draw. Anytime you put that out there, people are going to have different opinions of where those lines are. So now when it comes to strength, here's an interesting thing. In powerlifting, there's tested federations and non-tested federations. So we can literally look at the statistical data and actually find out what do steroids do. And so it's pretty clear that steroids provide about a 10% increase in strength on average over not. Now, that does take out the fact that steroids will put you allow you put on more mass so you'll go up a weight class.

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  46. But is an athlete? If I've got low testosterone, I am so low I've got depression. I can't have sex with my wife. It's affecting my quality of life. I will have to fight tooth and nail to get testosterone, just as a prescription, and then I will get kicked out of my organization for competing. So, you understand how gray this stuff gets

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  47. You go up, you're just like dancing around the subject, whatever. Well, guess what? I've got a prescription for growth hormone and testosterone. It's legal for me to take. And you know what? A lot of the people that are in front of the camera in the media. Politicians and newspeople and the people that are there saying the no drug stuff, they're going to anti-aging clinics to look better and they have a prescription for growth hormone and testosterone themselves. But in their eyes, it's okay. It is a prescription from their doctor because they have the money to do it. So it's legal, and it's fine. If I, it's interesting in Oregon, anybody, and I don't know what other states, over the age of 16, Can without parents' permission, by the way, walk into a gender clinic and as a female and get a prescription for testoster

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  48. And because it is you're taking something that, but you could work around these things with nutritional ways or other ways versus taking a chemical strip. And there's whole lots of ways to do this. But it's like, oh, no, it's steroids. It's not. It's injectable or it's not. Well, somewhere there's a culture or a person that will say you're cheating no matter what. So it's a self-defined, you need to define it for yourself unless you're competing in an organization that has testing. It's a straight ethical thing. And it's either right or wrong, in my opinion. That's kind of the overall dilemma of it is if you want to see what you're totally capable of, you have to decide yourself what's okay or not to that level.

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  49. But other examples you were drinking an energy drink in that cup there a little while ago. And in America, you can get an energy drink with 240 milligrams of caffeine in it In Canada, that's too dangerous. You can only get 140, but you can go buy Ephedra. And Ephedra is illegal in America. And so these things bounce back and forth all the time. I could take Yohimbi, and in Europe or Australia, it is a drug and classified and America it is not. It's an herbal root in a lot how you actually won one of my supplements, except for the overseas version. Anyway, the point I'm getting is no matter what you do at some point, by someone's standards, you are cheating

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  50. That the line of what defines a PED is ever shifting and it's shifting based on society norms, cultural norms, government boding agents, all these sorts of stuff. So I'm not making excuses here. So I just want to elaborate before I actually start digging into the details here because performance enhancing. I could take sodium bicarbonate. And enhance my ability to perform deadlifts for reps. Guess what? I did that for my Guinness World record for deadlifts in a minute. People do it for rowing or other. They use high capacity type stuff. It is performance enhancing. It is a chemical. It is baking soda. They're not able to make it illegal because everybody eats bread. Not everyone. And so it's a little hard to test for. No matter what you do at any level, so that's an extreme example.

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