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Chris Hughes

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first: 2019-05-10
most recent: 2019-05-10
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“What is the I think I may lose some friends over this, but I'm not sure how close those friends were in the first place. I mean, if we can't, there's some kind of friends who you can disagree with about things. I have friends with whom I have disagreements and we're still friends. This is obviously a very charged, very important thing. So I don't expect to necessarily continue being friends. With Mark, I don't know. I think what I'm calling for is for government to step up, but only time will tell.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, it feels nice. It feels really good to be able to just be honest and be clear and say what I believe to understand that, you know, I am probably going to lose some friends.”
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“Yeah, and I have felt this for a while now, both responsibility and anger at what's happened. And it feels nice to be able to.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, I don't, I mean, what can he do? It's not Mark that I'm so worried about listening to this. It's legislators. It's folks of the FTC. It's folks running for president. It's leaders in government and in tech and in the business world as well. I think that's where the onus is. That's where the responsibility is. And you're seeking to influence.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I wish I had spoken more to some of these other solutions too in the mix, like what's called co-determination, how to restructure the boards. I definitely wish that we had, that I thought a little bit more about that. But no big regrets other than that.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I've gotten mostly encouraging notes, some from former Facebook folks, some who are more skeptical. But the most surprising notes that I've gotten have been from the business community. I've gotten quite a few notes from investors who say, thank you. This argument needed to be made, this landscape, this market is frozen. And there's a suggestion that others in the other markets in the, whether it's search or e-commerce or elsewhere, are also frozen. And so those were the ones I did not totally expect to be honest. And that's been the most surprising thing.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I knew it would be a big deal. It's been much bigger. Then I thought it would be my experience of it is that it's been generally positive. I have already learned, I'm curious to talk more about some of these ideas separating the ad network, some of these ideas that are riffing, extending the argument. I wish I'd spoken more in the piece about how we can restructure corporate boards to be more accountable, which Warren and others have talked a little bit about. So I'm already learning from a lot of the responses. And it's been really interesting. I think some of the...”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What is the, this is Dustin Moscovici, one of the other founders How do you judge the reaction so far? You've really set off a fight. People have been saying this, but something around you saying it made a big difference.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly Okay, lastly, so having done this. How do you feel about the reaction? Dustin put up something that he took down saying, Why doesn't he focus on breaking a fox and Sinclair? And then he removed it rather quickly.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Do you want to look at this right now? Or made it hard for me to do so, or I could say, Hey, I'm only going to look at Instagram. Five times a day. About how much I want to say, is this one of those moments? No, I don't need to spend 10 seconds. There are ways to, but I don't have that choice. You don't have that choice. And so I think a competitive market is the way to solve this problem because that demand, what Tristan is talking about, that demand is real. And he is giving it voice, but it is, I think, being experienced all across the country.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But we don't have any, there's without competition, there's no, there's the illusion of choice. I don't have to look at my Instagram feed so often, but there's no real choice for any other service in the world to use to help me move off of that. So I want to be clear that, you know, I still choose to look at my, you know, I don't use Facebook that much. I use Instagram. I am aware that each time I fire up that app, I am making a little choice to do that and I take some responsibility for that. I also know that I would much prefer an app, which would where I fired it up where it would say, really?”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Amongst Americans, a desire to be in better control, to eat fewer French fries, and because we know they're not great for us, they may be delicious, but we want some broccoli. And sometimes that can be good for us. There's a sense that people want to be healthier.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Maybe we should be spending a little bit less time on our phones, on email and snap and messaging. And so then the question is, what are the solution sets to help people achieve that? And right now, at least in social media, I don't think there is much choice. Like I would love to use a social network that doesn't collect immense amounts of data on me, both on site and across the web and another apps. I pay for it to not do that, to not have advertisements, and to have an experience that with, you know, that's a trusted and secure environment. I mean, by some studies, it seems like a lot of users would pay for that kind of, but we don't have a competitive market for that to emerge. So I guess my point is there's a growing sense amongst consumers.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think a lot of what Tristan says is right on. And I think a lot of people agree with him. I mean, his words are very clear, are in some ways provocative. But I think that there's a general sense.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, finishing up, let me read you something from Tris John Harris, who does a lot of this. And that's another issue. But he was trying to get this idea of that it's bigger than that, that it's the degrading of humanity, that what has happened is the degrading of humanity and the upgrading of computers. Here, a Gmail engineer, or you're a Facebook newsfeed engineer, and you're just writing some lines of code every day, you don't think it's going to influence a genocide happening in Miami. Of culture.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The courts should be the institution in government that says what speech you can share and what speech you can't. Right now it's somebody who writes a handbook that Mark signs off on at Facebook corporate headquarters. So I think it's really important to me to be clear that I'm not suggesting that government get in the business of censoring. I'm saying instead the courts should be the ultimate arbiters of free speech. And right now”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Violence, shooting, bullying, these things should be permissible. I think that it gets more complicated as you go from there. And rather than having corporate executives in any, I mean, again, not just with Facebook, but with other companies to be making these decisions. These guidelines should be developed through a participatory democratic process that this agency should undertake, and then they should be subject to appeal in the courts.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Spread rumors on Twitter to jack up your stock price. You can't incite, right? You can't incite violence. And I don't think that live streaming”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, I don't think the government should be in the business of regulating speech. Period. I do think that the government has historically set guidelines for extreme cases of what doesn't really count as free speech, you know, yelling a fire in a crowded theater. You can't”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Packing. Seamlessly. Yeah The last thing you suggested is the idea of regulation of speech, which Facebook already regulates speech, and it's allowed to under all laws. It is not the public square, but it is the de facto public square, even though it's not technically the public square.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The brunt of Well, I'm not sure I agree with the premise that breakup is so impossible to imagine. It is a big step, obviously, but I don't think we should give up on that line of argument quite so quickly. I do think that a new regulatory agency Which would guarantee a fundamental level of privacy and security and give real tools to enact fines that the market wouldn't like fines for sloppy privacy practices, also notifying users quickly when it happens, enabling people to take their data seamlessly to other platforms. These kinds of things, I think, would put real pressure on Facebook and other digital companies to change its behavior in conjunction with a competitive market, then I think we would get to a place that things would.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm going to talk about the repercussions to finish up talking about the repercussions, but would you see any other, the only reason because breakup is something that is almost impossible to happen. You don't see it happening. Is there anything else that you thought of promoting there at all besides record fine is probably not going to work unless it has another zero on the end of it, like a $50 billion fine? Is there any other thing that could possibly happen to do that? And we'd also include Google in this because I think Google tends to sail out. Mark has gotten the brunt of this criticism and deservedly, but Google tends to sail out of it when they have similar markets. Do you think that should be the same thing for Google? And I guess it would be just Google and Facebook or the problematic companies.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They've become one of the best corporate citizens now. It's fascinating. And in fact, Brad Smith, who's the president, is thought to be a very good idea to run Facebook, which is interesting now, which is sort of ironic.”
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“They didn't, but they did settle, and there was a settlement, which I think held Microsoft in line a little bit. They've become one of the best”
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“And when in court, and I think that they should be thinking more seriously about simply breaking the company up. I think Americans would be on their side. I think folks on the left and on the right would increasingly be on their side. I don't actually think it would be... I mean, it would be a very big deal, but I think that the groundwork is increasingly laid for them to take a historic move like this. And listen, you know, whether it's the Justice Department or the FTC, historically, they have done these things. I mean, the Microsoft case, which”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I don't know enough about the law to know exactly how that would work or what that would mean. But I think that over there they're searching for all the ways that they can hold Facebook accountable.”
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“It is, I mean, it's remarkable in the size. It is a historic fine, in the size of FTC, and it is also remarkable in how unfaced. The market has been the folks at Facebook are about it. I mean, the day after it was announced, the it went up by 30 billion six times the size of the fine. So even a record fine is playing out as a slap on the wrist, which I think should, that's not a signal that something else needs to happen. I don't know what is. We'll see where the FTC lands on this fine and on whether or not to have a privacy SAR has been rumored. I don't know. What about...”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“At the same time Well, I think that this fine, which nobody really knows, you know, Facebook has said that they expect it to be up to five, which I call a podcast.”
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“60% of the voting shares. So he's still effectively, I think, controlling the company. So I'm not really sure. I mean, it would inject new blood, I guess, into the management. That might be a good new thing, particularly with Chris Cox's departure, having another face in the mix there on the senior team. I don't know. It depends on who the person is. Depends on what they want to do. But I don't, I'm not sure that falls back into that frame of like, well, there's just these tweaks that Facebook can make. If they just tweak who's in that CEO seat, Mark's just chairman, or if they just appoint a privacy czar, that's no. We need the market dynamics of a competitive landscape to enforce accountability. And we need government regulation. To hold them”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And if you look at how that would actually play out, I guess the idea is that he named someone else with the board, named someone else's.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, some have called for that. I think I'm not sure that solves a lot of the problems. I think that he says often I created this mess. Yeah, I should be the one to find that.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, they threw. They didn't want to leave. They didn't want to leave. They laughed themselves, but they didn't want to leave. That's the only way I can put it I think they didn't like what was happening, and they were worried about the data issues and didn't feel like they were being addressed in the right way. What about Mark stepping down?”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What are they, you know, if their city Instagram Separate it out? And was it independently administered? Would they have interest in stepping up to lead it to be an independent company? Yes, I think they take on Facebook.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, that's certainly how it's been reported from folks I know who know them. That's how it's been perceived. So, you know, I haven't talked to any of them since the piece has come out, but you have to wonder.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think it was a desire to, I mean, I think taking a step back, Instagram and WhatsApp are very successful. They've been really outpacing Facebook.com's own success there as they grow more powerful. They have more and more data. They have more and more folks' attention. And I think he wants to consolidate. And he said he wants to consolidate all of that data and make it easier to use to streamline, to build business services on top of. So I think that that's why he's doing it. I think, I mean, it's not lost in anyone that the drum beat around antitrust action has been growing for a year now. And it would be harder to separate them out the more time goes by. And so that may be a what did you think of the departure of the...”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, yeah, I'd like to learn more about that. I haven't thought that all the way through, but I think that there are probably still other ways to do it. But this is really, I think just separating Instagram and WhatsApp out is CRISPRP. It's clear until just a few months ago. They were administered separately inside of Facebook. Why do you think Mark did that? The separate administration or the integration program.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so this idea, so I do think that competition is the best way to hold Facebook accountable. I think in this scenario, you would see Instagram spun out as a publicly traded company with its own CEO. You'd see WhatsApp spun out as a publicly traded company with its own CEO. Facebook.com should continue. And Facebook.com, by the way, would still be very large. You know, some folks online have said, well, this is not going to solve all the problems because Facebook.com will still be very, very large. And I think there's argument to that merit. I'm not sure. I'd love to hear more ideas around if there's something there to be done. I can't quite get my head targeting.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Ideas of them. Yes, and they're very, very small. I mean, Snapchat made a billion, had a billion dollars of revenue last year, which is I think less than 2% of what Facebook made. I mean, it is.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, and to be fair to Facebook, Snapchat exists? LinkedIn exists. There are other networks, but they are, well, either they're very different in how they're like LinkedIn. Face”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Why'd you make the Elizabeth Warren movie? To hold accountability, to create real accountability I don't think it's enough on its own, so I think that we also need to create a new digital agency to regulate not just Facebook, but a lot of these big tech companies. So it's not enough, but I do believe that markets, when they are competitive and fair, are the best way to hold people accountable. I mean, people vote with their feet, with their eyeballs, with their dollars. And I think we saw this last year when people were very angry. About the Cambridge Analytica scandal, delete Facebook that moment was a real moment. I mean, there were no”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So let's talk about what you think should happen. You said America's built on the idea that power should not be contrary to any one person because we were all fallible. That's why the founder's created systems of checks and balances. They didn't need to foresee the rise of Facebook to understand the threat of a gargantuan company opposed to democracy. Jefferson and Madison were voracious readers of Adam Smith who believed that monopolies prevent the competition that spurs innovation and leads to economic growth. You think breakup is the only answer. There's other things that recently people have written there should be laws around ad targeting, taxes, fines, certain guardrails that can be put in place by government, certain inability for Facebook to buy anything else, all kinds of things. Well, I call for that too. Right, right, yeah. They shouldn't buy anything. They shouldn't be able to buy like a pack of cigarettes, as far as I can tell. But those are all what Facebook wants and those kind of things. And they've called for them.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's playing out among the cigarette, people who inherit cigarette money or opiate money. It's a really interesting question is if you get this money, you see the damage it causes and then what do you do?”
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“Well, yeah, I mean, my husband and I have committed to giving away effectively all of our money over the course of our lifetimes, and we're investing a lot of it in economic justice issues also in international LGBT rights, in resisting Trump's agenda and political. Efforts and reform. So we are he and I are using my husband and I are trying to use this money to make the world a more just place than it is today.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, real and so, yeah, I feel a sense of embarrassment, a sense of responsibility about that. Yeah, man, I don't have anything to do with that particular. Yeah, I do”
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“Yeah, I feel some guilt, some responsibility. Yeah, I mean, every time you see one of these headlines, you know, the one from a few weeks ago restoring tens of millions of passwords and plain text format, which any employee can dip into and log in with. Probably no one did that. I don't know. It's just like, really?”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“My career, what I pay attention to, who I am. All of this has been colored by Facebook. I think that's partially why I'm. Speaking out, that's partially why I'm stepping out of line and saying these things that I believe because I've been thinking about this stuff for a very long time.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was interesting. All right, let's talk about what you think should happen breakup. Everyone went after you. Well, besides going after you for this guy made all this money from Facebook, how dear he insulted. How did you take that? There was a lot of that.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, I don't know. I think it's a drive to growth. It's a drive to move quickly and be the most innovative and be the best.”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I was going to use to defect you Why did they do the right thing just because of growth, growth, growth? What do you think on, say WhatsApp, not immediately putting in the virality that was so damaging to so many people there, or immediately putting out live casting. What is at the heart of it? I sort of want to get what's... Is it just growth growth growth or something else”
2019-05-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You got to think about the ethical implications of how this stuff is going to play out. You got to think about the massive scale that you're working on. And you got to think about all of these quote unquote edge cases, these exceptions, these potential problems, because particularly, you know, when you've got something that 2.4 billion people are using to defect you, I think you need to assume that these problems are going to crop up and you've got to be able to either prevent them or mitigate them or do something about it. But again, we're still in this frame of relying on Facebook to do the right thing. Just hoping that they get more responsible about it. And I think that I hope that that period can be over. And instead we can use the discipline competition.”
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