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“They do. I think some of the others enjoy their other little things they're doing, rocket ships or whatever the hell they're interested in. Everybody's trips to the Midwest to visit cows and stuff like that. No, I do. I do. But I think Bezos remains the killer entrepreneur, it seems to me. And Matu, you're right.”
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“Those folks are the great brand destroyers. They want to get between you and the folks that you used to think of as your customers. And that's going to be a fascinating worker type. Yeah, I would say more on.”
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“So that he keeps the competition off guard. They never know what the core business anymore of Amazon. And when you have, when you've combined the kind of customer insight and almost intimacy, That Amazon's been able to establish, you have a basis upon which you can use the brand, you can use the infrastructure capabilities, and you can use the open field vision of the company in order to create value, the likes of which I think the world's high enterprise.”
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“One of the reasons we were delighted to be on your show is the title of your show. Because the word that Chris and I have used in our book is that we think our research has helped to decode this central mystery of who drives the growth.”
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“And that's really what this is about, I think. And so much going back to where we started, so much of this is technique on how, and we think even more on who because each who does it how differently. And that's going to unleash enormous growth, we think, inside the corporation.”
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“No, I think that's exactly right. On your last point, we've been introduced to a company called Bionic, and they've built a whole platform to actually import the very best innovative styles, cultures, processes, and thinking From Silicon Valley into large corporations to do exactly what they know they”
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“and to recognize that they may not have the answer for where this thing is ultimately going to go, but to be able to say, hey, I've got an idea. What would happen if And they just take that very first step into the unknown. That, I think, has a lot to do with it, and it can happen educationally, but it doesn't have to happen just in the classroom. It also has to happen why are large corporations struggling for growth? Because they substitute complacency and conformity for creativity.”
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“At a personal level, on a collaborative level, and at an organizational level. Then I think you have to basically, as I was suggesting earlier, give people a sense that people like themselves with the same background, with the same culture, from the same perspective have been able to do these things before so that they're not thinking they have to be, oh my gosh, I'm the first one of my community or my ethnic group or my religion or whatever it may be. That you can actually do it and you can see and take comfort from and inspiration from the fact that others have done it before you. And then lastly, I think, or not lastly, because these are all of them. The agenda is much longer than this, but. I think you have to make it possible for people to take the next step.”
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“Among them, I think first of all, you have to create an environment in a classroom, in an organization where it is okay to fail. Because on the other side of growth or building a business or innovation, Is the dance partner and the dance partner more often than not is failure. So you have to create an environment that encourages experimentation where the vocabulary and the culture is about experimenting, is about acknowledging what you don't know. And the only way you can find out what you need to know is to try things”
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“Part of me does. They actually don't know what's happening. So, when we're finishing up, I want to talk just Lesbia about what happens to our country. A big issue around this election was jobs and how people work and where jobs are going. A lot of jobs are going to be replaced in retail. We talk a lot about coal miners, but it really is retail driving, all kinds of lawyers, accountants, all kinds of things are going to be replaced by digital solutions eventually. How should we be teaching people to become entrepreneurial, to have an innovative sphere? Because I really do firmly believe if you're not entrepreneurial in so many professions, you're really toast. So what are the key things we have to do to get our”
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“Right, right. Well, they operate without any rules, and so therefore they make them up. And then they are super indulgent of bad behavior. It just goes on and on. I was talking to a bunch of ventricles involved with one of the companies I cover, and they literally said, you know more than we do about what's going on. And I was like, you are such liars and you're lazy liars. You know, it was fascinating. And they invested, I think, $120 million. So, like, you're not paying attention. You just throw the money. It's like here, teenager, take the keys to the Ferrari in the house and then go, like, whatever. So I think maybe they're doing that.”
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“Yeah, well, we talk to investors who said it's all about product market fit, and we talked to investors who say it's actually all about the personality of the founder. And of course, the answer is yes, it's both those things Which in each time in each point of the growth cycle?”
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“And how do you align around the right kind of investor who has not just the risk-reward profile that matches what you're looking for, but actually has the style to be able to leverage what you're good at. That's a really good point because a lot of investors”
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“One of them broke off, right? I understand, but how many relationships really last over decades and decades? There's a chemistry that can happen if you're aware of who can complement you ideally as a co-founder. Then it comes to the issue of how do you galvanize a team in the way that we've been talking about.”
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“Both the person on the team and the company. Because once you've been able to tap into that personal motivation, you get a level of commitment, energy, enthusiasm, creativity, and honesty and candor that otherwise you're unlikely to tap.”
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“The Project Aristotle was a very extensive study that Google did of its high performing and mediocrely performing teams. And it came out with a number of interesting conclusions, some of which are kind of common sense, but it's nice to have it backed up by the kind of rigor that they applied. One of them is that in order to have an effective team, people need to really have time to be themselves and for people in the team to understand them as people first before you're wearing your professional hat. And that takes some openness and it takes some willingness to expand the agenda from the actual work of the team itself. In some ways, as Chris and I have been talking about this in the context of our book, it strikes us that you need to approach teams with a philosophy that it's got to be growth, yes, but it has to be growth for both.”
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“Talk about it. At the end of the day, it seems to me that teams are the fundamental unit of performance in almost any organization at any stage. And the question is, how do you approach teams as the fundamental unit of the culture? I was fascinated by Project Aristotle that you're familiar with at Google. In the sense that you explain it.”
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“In a different direction. I think you're also isolating the stages of growth, right? So in the early days, you have to be out there on the frontier. Innovating, challenging, being disruptive, but you can't actually do that in scale.”
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“Cohesion, right? But it's entrepreneurial cohesion with each other. It's like a cohesive group of team players. And you don't think of that when you think of entrepreneurism. And one thing that does strike me out, Uber, is this is a non-cohesive group of people. Like, boy, do they all swim in different directions almost continually?”
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“Absolutely. And then when I sort of go down, I sort of boil it down to cohesion among a group of people who are entrepreneurial because Google's a good example, very cohesive group of people. Now, they don't all like each other, I can tell you that. And over the years, they really don't like each other. Same thing with Facebook. Very cohesive group of people who happen to actually like each other. You're”
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“Whether you're trying to change the world or. I looked at that idea of team because I think people miss it a lot of the time. I remember Steve Jobs once telling me they think I'm Willy Wonka and everybody else is a new Balumpa here, but obviously this was a deep team. Same thing. I think of Netflix with Reed Hastings. Obviously he's the front man, but boy, does he need that group around?”
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“But they are just one of the resources that makes the ultimate success happen. If people can see more of the team aspect of entrepreneurship, the fact that that's why I use this entra as the mantra, if people can see it takes different kinds of functions, different kinds of skill sets, different kinds of styles. In some ways it's kind of coming back to common sense. Nobody has a monopoly on wisdom. Nobody can predict what's going to work and what's not. But if you can create an environment in which different perspectives can contribute to a common cause, whether you're trying to change the world or build a business, your chances of success.”
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“I'll accept that. I'll accept that amendment. But to me, the differentiating characteristic is if your focus is on entrepreneurship as opposed to the entrepreneur itself, you recognize that people need to see other people like themselves engaged in the entrepreneurial process that Chris was describing. And if the sole focus is on the person who gets the media attention, et cetera, although we have been able to open up at least four doors here, I mean, people used to think, I think, before we've done our research, you have to go through one door and that door has Steve Jobs picture on it or Elon Musk's picture on it. That's not the case. There are at least four different doors with very different personality characteristics associated with each that can build the kind of success that people aspire to.”
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“So Princeton, which has no business school and is avowedly against having professional programs at the graduate or undergraduate level, has built out quite an entrepreneurial program. And the reason is your question underpins the reason, which is entrepreneurship is really a social phenomenon. And it's a very American phenomenon. The desire to build or create something new or slightly better. And the question then becomes, what role can I play in that? Can I be the mathematician who figures out the algorithm but isn't actually the front face? Can I be the artist who creates a better consumer experience or better design? Unleashing the phenomenon of entrepreneurship is what this is all about. And then as we believe, it's really a question of what role.”
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“If I were going to try to differentiate who enters the process, I think the one thing that it takes is a willingness to take the next step. Whatever your idea, whatever your role is to step into the unknown just a bit, because that very act of committing to the first step makes it progressively easier to think about what could be done next. And usually it is, the risk is not as big as you thought it might have been, or it comes from a different angle that nobody ever thought of. But that willingness to take action, I think, is one of the things.”
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“Yeah, one of the most encouraging things to us the world is filled with what we would call entrepreneurs, people who are on the sideline curious about this magic that happens when people create something.”
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“Yeah, and the question then becomes Do you have to be the founder? Or can you be part of an entrepreneurial company contributing your own gifts? So, you know, entrepreneurs are, do they have to be extrovert or introverted? We think we found both types. If you're an introverted person who happens to be particularly artistic, there's a very important role for you in an entrepreneurial company. It may not be to be the founder, but it might be playing a key value creating role.”
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“Yes, yes, in particular, yeah. So, this common set of attributes, I think, stands in contrast to what differentiates them. Create more entrepreneurs, right? Because I think we have to. It is the pathway to your entrepreneurs.”
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“One time the founders of Google were doing some dangerous sport, and then I said, Oh, it seems dangerous for the founders, you know, at this time, of course one of them, I can't remember, I can't distinguish between them anymore, but they were like, it's 3.2, 0.5 likelihood that I will not die of this, and you will in your bath.”
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“Of entrepreneurship. I would say that there are some attributes that most entrepreneurs hold. Okay. And this would be this common sense. In fact, there's a great book called Strength Finders that actually has identified these things that we all know intuitively. Are you a risk taker? Do you work really hard? Do you have a level of tenacity? These are not distinguishing characteristics. These are common. And then, of course, everybody likes to talk about being risk prone.”
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“Try it for the low low price of free, go to ziprecruiter.com decode. Here with Chris Keeney and John Danner, authors of the new book called Built for Growth, How Builder Personality Shapes Your Business, Your Team, and Your Ability to Win. Before we get to sort of the larger picture of entrepreneurship, is there any kind of personality that doesn't work?”
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“It's the difference between seeing yourself as someone that everybody's looking through the window and you're smiling and you're on stage as opposed to really understanding what's the mirror side of that who are you really? I was going to suggest maybe Mark Benioff is another example of somebody who's a master builder in the sense that you follow the trajectory of his career and what he's doing differently today than what he was doing 15 or 20 years ago. He's clearly on a path to broaden his repertoire.”
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“Well, and this goes back to your comment earlier about the sort of megalomania of being an entrepreneur and this self-perpetuating, you know, you are a megalomaniac, the community and the world reinforces that. And so one of the things we hope comes out of our book is people doing exactly as Socrates suggested know thyself really.”
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“We think John Crowley was John Raleigh started out as a captain, but because he was such a student of the game. This is Amicus. He's running a biotech firm right now. And he started out as an empowering team leader, but has actually taken on many of the qualities of the other leaders. And we think the most mature and advanced entrepreneurs or builders actually do this. And as John said, you have your home room, that is that sort of how you're wired. But then if you're really a student of the game and you think hard about your own weaknesses, you then begin to do that, which most people do.”
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“If I'm great at product, that's where I want to stay and delegate elevate my strengths, delegate around my weaknesses, and let me just be what I am best at. And there's a lot of wisdom to that approach. But there's another approach, too, that we've nicknamed the master builder. And the master builder is really to use an athletic analogy. The master builder is more like the decathlete or the swimmer who has the medley, right? Yes, they're great in the backstroke, but they've also learned to master the crawl or whatever. So they've gotten all these skills. And in that sense, they can expand the repertoire. They don't become a different person. They just become a more fluent and flexible and versatile version. Who's a version?”
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“Yeah, one of the best quotes we had in our interviews came from Paul Mater, the former chairman of the National Venture Capital Association. He basically to paraphrase it, he said, look, I'm in the business of investing in people and careers and personalities, everything. But I don't care whether you're a driver, an explorer, a crusader, or a captain, just be the best damn one of those you are. And that takes us into one of two strategies that Chris and I lay out in the book. One is what we call the expert builder. In other words, it's all about going after your strengths.”
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“In the marketplace So, do you have to shift when you were talking about shifting the concept? When you're each of these people, you've got to accommodate for that part of your personality. So if you're a driver personality, I assume you have to get some level of compassion in.”
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“Do a good job, you're out of there. So very demanding, but demanding in a supportive and very clear way. Unlike the driver who expects, who's capricious and expects you to actually execute exactly like he or she does. Right.”
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“As you scale the business, and then the captain is a more kind of pragmatic solving the problem in front of him or her exquisite though in choosing people, deploying people, getting them in exactly the right spot. It's amazing. And sometimes people mistake the captain for being compassionate. The captain is actually pretty calculating and putting you in the right job. And if you don't...”
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“Well, and because they fly at such a high level of abstraction, they love the idea and its solution. They're not very good operationally. So it's very important that a crusader team up with as a co-founder have a very strong chief operating officer. And so you've got a sense of mission and then ultimately a sense of the operation. And that pairing can be very helpful.”
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“Yeah, what's exquisitely good about the Crusader is he or she finds these lack of alignment inside ecosystems and is able to listen really well to the customer and to suppliers and actually create value. One of our favorite crusaders, a guy named Nate Morris, who has, pardon the earlier reference, has actually created the Uber of Garbage Collection. He graduated with a master's degree from Witter Wilson School of Princeton and actually figured out how to Align garbage collecting companies, subcontractors, to serve some of the biggest customers in America, Walmart and others, and now has a business worth over a billion dollars because he has been able to align the idea of collecting garbage, separating garbage out for greater waste stream management into ultimately better recycling proportions. So it's”
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“And each of whether it's a driver or an explorer, have to figure out how to navigate between the weaknesses that can compromise their ability to scale the business and yet accentuate the strengths that they have, which are quite extraordinary.”
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“And for explorers, it's a different issue. Explorers have that kind of analytical capability that's really quite impressive. Brian O'Kelly, the guy who founded Appnexus is an example. Bezos, as I talk about, is another example. And we think probably somebody like Mark Benioff from Salesforce would be yet another example here. Where do they sometimes struggle? They sometimes struggle because they start to view the other resources around them, specifically people, as inputs into an equation in their mind. And you tend to lose the human element sometimes in the cultures that they need and surround themselves with.”
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“That's right. So, and by the way, drivers are not unique in having weaknesses, all four of these types have strengths. No, I want to know. But that's the driver. That's the driver's doubt that they...”
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“And drivers tend to have problems. People working with drivers have a hard time sometimes. They tend to not brook too much dissent. They tend to expect the same level of intensity from the people around them. They tend to value talents very much like themselves. So they're hiring mini-Me's when in fact they need to be hiring a broader, more diverse set of folks. And as the business scales, you have to be able to move from self to system. You have to be able to get beyond yourself. And most companies do.”
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“And that's one of the beauties of this is that you can take the same personality and see the similarities in completely different businesses, inside outside school businesses. Yeah, once did it appropriate.”
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“Well, the biggest asset of the first one is really that product market fit is the domain of this kind of person. If they're right, if they're right, because they believe so intensely. That's why we use the term fixated by their product or this notion of product narcissism. If they're right, they have the kind of tenacity, that kind of riveting capability that I talked about earlier, to basically overcome the obstacles, overcome the risks, the doubters, and bring something to market. And that's why jobs is such a great example of that. But there are others as well. Steve Brightman, who's a guy that built an empire around coin-operated laundries in New York City, has the same kinds of characteristics. He loves the coin-operated laundry. And you can imagine having tens of thousands of machines cranking out $5 in cash every day. No, I get, but he loves.”
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“Think Jeff Bezos. Jeff Bezos is very much a systems kind of guy. I mean, he's not somebody to necessarily fall in love with the current business that he's in. He's constantly figuring out how to sort and slice and dice, not just the front lines business, but the behind the scenes business. Well, then he”
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“All that Whether it be investors or talent. Our book can brew. Let's go through the two, the first two you mentioned. The first one would be The Driver, which is the Steve Jobs, Elon Musk kind of personality. And then the second one was”
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“Let's go all the way back. I mean, this is a know thyself. This is a lens to begin to understand who you might be and why you do what you do. It gives you a lens into your own self so that you can be more self-aware. And the people who work with you can perhaps better understand why you do the things you do, the way you do them, so that they can figure out a way to collaborate more effectively with you. Or if it's an investment.”
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