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Chris Tarbell

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“Dude, huge fan. I love the podcast. Glad I could be here. Thanks for the invite. Exercise in the brain too. It was great. It was a great conversation.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I didn't when I was young, the foolishness of youth. I needed to learn that lesson hard. I mean, when I was young in my career, it was just about career goals and, you know, and resting people became stats. You rest someone, you get a good stat, you get an attaboy, you know, maybe, you know, the boss likes it and you get a better job or you get, you move up the chain. It took a real change in my life to see that humanity.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think it's the greatest thing. I think everyone should be searching for it. And if you don't have it, find it, get it as soon as you can. I love my wife. I really do. I had no idea what love was until my kids were born. My son came out and this is a funny story. He came out and, you know, I just wanted to be safe and be healthy and all that. And I said to the doctor, I said, 10 and 10, Doc, you know, 10 fingers, 10 toes, everything good. And he goes, nine and nine. I was like, what the fuck? I was like, oh, this is going to suck. Okay, we'll deal with it and all that. He was talking about the Apnikard score or some score about breathing and color and all that. And I was like, oh shit, but no one told me this. But so I'm just sobbing. I couldn't even cut the umbilical cord. Like, just fell in love with my kids when I saw them. And that to me really is what love is, like, just for them, man.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And then he couldn't walk anymore. I probably would have killed myself if my life switched like that so bad. And my dad probably went through some dark points, but he had that from me, maybe. And so to get through that struggle, to teach me, like, you know, you press on, you have a family, people count on you, you do what you got to do. That was big.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So my dad He was an engineer, and so part of his job we worked for Vermont Power and Electric or whatever it was. I mean, he, when he first got married to my mom and all that, he flew around a helicopter checking out power lines and damps. He used to swim inside to Scuba into dams to check to make sure they were functioning properly and all that. Pretty cool shit”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, again, I don't know what was true and not true, but some of it was really good. And it was just good to hear his life. But, you know, we lost him, and now those stories are gone.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He was in the hospital one time and I went through, and I want to know about his history, like his life, what he did. And I think he may be sensationalized some of it. But that's what you want. Your dad's your hero, so you want to hear those things”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And so they came over and I helped them with something. And my mom called me back a couple days later and she said, I appreciate you helping them. I know fixing someone's apple phone over the phone really isn't what you do for a living. It's kind of beneath you and all that. But I appreciate it. And she said, oh, they loved hearing the stories about Silk Road and all those things. And she goes, you know, your dad, he loved those stories. I just wish he could have heard them. He even would tell me, he would say, you know, maybe Chris will come home and I'll get him drunk and he'll tell me the stories. But and then she goes maybe one day in heaven you can tell him those stories and I fucking lost it. I literally stood in my shower sobbing. Like a child. Like just thinking about, like, all my dad wanted was those stories.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Around that time, but it was right when COVID was kicking off, and so he died in a hospital by himself. And I didn't get to see him then. And then my mom had some people visiting her the other night. And Tom and Karen Rogenberg, and I'll say they're my second biggest fans right behind my dad. They're always asking about me and my career and they read the books and seen the movie. They'll even tell you that Silk Road movie was good.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I had a very good family growing up. The rough moment, and I'll tell you a story that just happened to me two days ago and it fucked me up, man. It really didn't. You'll be the first. I've never told it. I tried to tell my wife this two nights ago and I couldn't get it out. So my father, he's a disabled veteran. He was a disabled veteran. He was in the army and got hurt and was in a wheelchair his whole life for all my growing up. He was my biggest fan. He just wanted to know everything about what was going on in the FBI, my stories. I was a local cop before the FBI and I got to a high-speed car chase, you know, foot chase and all that and kicking doors in. He wanted to hear another stories. And at some points, I was kind of too cool for school. And dad, I just want a break and all that and things going on. We lost my dad during COVID. Not because of COVID.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, you're good at it, you become powerful, you become, you know, everyone's slappy on the back and say, what a good job and all that, you know, at a very young age. So, yeah, I would love to get into my buddy's mind on why he stopped hacking and moved on. Oh, that's going to be a good conversation”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I mean, there's different pieces. Sometimes, you know, you'll see an older agent that's done, you know, not cybercrime, come over to cybercrime at the end so he can get a We also lost a bunch of guys that had some skills because we had one guy in the squad that he had to leave the FBI because his wife became a doctor and she got a residency down in Houston and she couldn't move. He wasn't allowed to transfer, so he decided to keep his family versus the FBI. There's some stringent rules in the FBI that need to be relaxed a little bit.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“100%. It kills me. I've never until recently sometimes be embarrassed about the FBI sometimes, which is really, really hard for me to say because I love that place. I love the people in it. I love the brotherhood that you have with all the guys in your squad, the guys and girls. I just use a real drinking problem there because we were so social of going out after work. you know, continuing on it really was a family. So I do miss that. But yeah, I mean, if someone can become an FBI agent, I mean, it's pretty fucking cool, man. The day you graduate and walk out of the academy with a gun and a badge and the power to charge someone with a misdemeanor for flying a United States flag at night, that's awesome.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I loved the FBI. I never thought I would go anyplace else, but the FBI, I thought I was going to retire with the gold watch and everything from the FBI. That was my plan. No, but you know what it is? Oh, it's in a colloquialism.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, you grow and evolve as a person that changes you in the future. Yeah, thank God there wasn't social media when I was in high school. Thank God. Oh my God, I would never have gotten the FBI.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“An outside person can't judge how I'm friends with you. If I want to be, this is our relationship. If that person can say that I'm an asshole to them, then that's fine. I'll take it. But you can't tell me I'm an asshole to them just because you saw my interaction. I agree with that.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Media to figure if you're a good social character. So hopefully you didn't say something strange in the last few years and it's going to follow you forever. I bet Ross Albrock would tell you the same thing when not don't put Ross Albrook at gmail.com on things because it's going to last forever.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In the US budget that was just put forward, there's $18 billion for cybersecurity. We're about a million people short of where we really should be in the industry, if not more. If you want job security and want to work and see exciting stuff, head towards cybersecurity. It's a good career. One thing I dislike about cybersecurity right now is they expect you to come out of college and have 10 years experience in protecting and knowing every different Python script out there and everything available. You know, the industry needs to change and let the lower people in in order to broaden and get those billion jobs filled. But as far as their personal security, just remember, it's all going to follow you. I mean, you know, there's laws out there now that you have to turn over your social media accounts in order to have certain things. They just changed that in New York State if you want to carry a gun. You have to turn over your social.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'd say 99% of the criminals that I've interacted with, yes, the people with the child exploitation, no, I don't have any place in my heart for them.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I mean, it took me a while into my law enforcement career to learn about the compassionate side, and it took Hector Monster to make me realize that criminals aren't really criminals, they're human beings. That really humanized the whole thing for me sitting with him for nine months. I think that's maybe why I had a lot more compassion when I arrested Ross, probably wouldn't have been so compassionate if it was before Hector. But yeah, he changed my life and showed me that humanity side of things.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's what they went after. I mean, all those guys they socialize. They social engineered Apple to get backups to get the recoveries for backups. And then they just pulled all their news. And I mean, whole websites were dedicated to that.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But there's also a bar inside the FBI Academy. People don't know that. Yes, alcohol bar. And as long as you've passed your PT and going well, you're allowed to go to the bar.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, when you're going through the academy, they don't let you outside of the building, so you have to eat it. And I think that's the only reason people eat it. It's pretty bad.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Headquarters Little bit better because that's where the director. I mean, he eats up on the seventh floor. Had he been like.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You are being tracked. I wouldn't say you're being tracked by the government. You're definitely being tracked by big tech.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But you're going down the right path. I mean, the guys at the food planes in the building wanted attribution. They took credit for it. When we see the cyber attack, I doubt we're going to see attribution. Maybe the victim side, the U.S. government on this side might come out and try to blame somebody. But, you know, like you've brought up, they could blame anybody they want. There's not really a good way of verifying that.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“100%. 100% they are sitting waiting to expose things. I mean, again, I don't want to scare this shit out of people, but people have to understand the cyber threat. I mean, there are, you know, there are thousands of nation-state hackers in some countries. I mean, we have them too. We have offensive hackers.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I think people will be really shocked on things. I mean, so we talked about Lulsek today, and Lulsek was 2011. They had access into a water supply system of a major U.S. city. They didn't do anything with it. They were sitting on it in case someone got arrested and they were going to maybe just expose that it's insecure. Maybe they were going to do something to fuck with it. I don't know. But that's 2011. I don't think it's gotten a lot better since then.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I hope so. I hope smarter people than I are figuring it out. I hope people are playing their parts and talking to the right people because the war is the last thing I want.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think we could be. I mean, I would hate to just be fear-mongering out there, and COVID's over. So the next big thing in the media is war and all that. But, I mean, there's some flags going up that are very strange to me.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's weird, you know, but he says that I changed his life. I mean, he was going down a very dark path, and I gave him an option that one night, and he made the right choice. I mean, he now does penetration testing. He does a lot of good work. And, you know, he's turned his life around.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, yeah, I mean, we just did some trailer and all that. My relationship with Hector is, you know, we're very close friends now. And I was like, oh, I arrested one of my closest friends. Which is a very strange relationship.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“My son does a podcast for school, and I still can't get it into telling. So one of the Hector and I just started a podcast talking about cybersecurity. We do a podcast called Hacker in the Fed. It just came out yesterday. First episode. So yeah, we got 1,300 downloads the first day. We were at the top of Hacker News, which is a big website in our world.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Listen to this, right? I gotta get your tricks. Yeah, that's true. They'll definitely listen. But there's nothing more humbling than your family. You think you've done something big and you go on a big podcast and talk to Les Freeman? They don't fucking care.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“From a security perspective, absolutely. But no, I just segmentation. We do it in businesses for years. Started segmenting networks, different networks. I just do it at home. My kid's on his own network. It makes it a little bit easier to see what they're doing too. You can monitor traffic and then also throttle bandwidth if your Netflix isn't playing fast enough or buffers or something. So you can obviously change that a little too.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The biggest insider threat in my life is my children. My son's big into Minecraft and will download executables mindlessly and just run them on the network. So he is.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I don't know if you're going to tell you where it is. You can come if you want, but don't bring the hackers. Hector will be there with us.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Exactly. But now we formed a partnership, and it's just a new cybersecurity firm that our launch party is actually on Thursday, so it's going to be exciting.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So we just started NXO. So I left the government and went to a couple of consultancies and I started working really all the people I worked good in the government with. I brought them out with me. And now...”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There's no universal security. I mean, it changed. People used to say, I think Max were the most secure just because they just weren't out there. But now kids have had access to them. So, you know, I know you're a Lennox guy. I like Lennox too, but it's tough to run a business on Linux. People want to move more towards the Microsofts and the Googles just because it's easier to communicate with other people that maybe aren't computer guys. You have to just take what's best, what's easiest, and secure the shit out of it as much as you can and just think about it.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And then you're not a target, I guess. Just put it out there. I've always said that, though. We do these searches in FBI houses and stuff like that. If someone just got a box load of like 10 terabyte drives and just encrypted them. Oh my god, you know how long the FBI would spin their wheels trying to get that data off there? It'd be insane. Also, just.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I mean, so you can't sit around and worry about someone physically gaining access to your computer with key loggers and stuff like that. You know, if you're traveling to a foreign country and you work for the FBI, then yeah, you do. You pick little, you know, sometimes some countries you would bring a fake laptop just to see if they stole it or accessed it.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It is. I laugh because one of my partners at Naxo that I work at now, he worked at a big company. You would know the name as soon as I told you. I'm not going to say it. But the guy who owned the company and the company has his name on it, didn't want to ever log into a computer, just annoyed the shit out of him. So they hired a person that stands next to his computer when he's not there. And that's his physical security.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“If you wanted something specific to that, I mean, if you really want to go far, you know. You're targeting a specific person, you know, how hard is it to get into their office and put a little device USB device in line with their mouse? Who checks how their mouse is plugged in? And for $40 on the black market, you can buy a key logger that just USB, then the mouse plugs right into it. It looks like an extension on the mouse if you can even find it. You can buy the stuff with a mouse inside of it and just plug it into somebody's computer. And there's a key logger that lives in there and calls home, sends everything you want. So, I mean, and it's cheap.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Software. And there's your list. There's your target list. I know the vulnerabilities that they're running. Again, not making a playbook here”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Unfortunately for the end users, there's nothing you can do about Zero Day. You have no control over that. I mean, the engineers that made the software don't even know about it. Now, let's talk about one days. So there's a patch now out there for the security. So if you're not updating your systems for these security patches, if it's just not on you, my father-in-law has such an old iPhone you can't security badge anymore. So, you know, and I tell him, I said, you know, this is what you're missing out on. This is what you're exposing yourself to because, you know, we talked about that powerful tool that how we found Ross Albrock at gmail.com. Well, bad guys are using that too. It's called, you know, it used to be called Google Dorking. Now, I think it's named kind of Google hacking by the community. You can go and find a vulnerability, read about the white paper. What's wrong with that software? And then you can go on the internet and find all of the computers that are running that outdated.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You can only use these three special characters. Do you understand how password cracking works if you specifically tell me what special characters I can use?”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's all they got hacked. They want to say it's insecure and got hacked into reputational harm right there for Ring, but they didn't. It was just credential stuffing. People bought username and passwords on the black market and just wrote a bot that just went through Ring and used every one of them to maybe 1% hit, but that's a big hit to the number of Ring users.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Or even just write a program and do that. Remember the ring hack a couple of year ago? That's all it was credential stuffing. So ring the security system by default had to factor but didn't turn it on. And they also had a don't try unlimited tries to log into my account. You can lock it out after 10 by default not turned on because it's not convenient for people. Ring, you know, it's like, I want people to stick these little things up and have security in their house. But cybersecurity Don't make it inconvenient then people won't buy our product.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, ask.fm got popped last week, two weeks ago. And that's 350 million username and passwords with connected Twitter accounts, Google accounts, all the different social media accounts. That is a treasure trove for the next two and a half, three years of just using those credentials everywhere. You'll learn, even if it's not the right password, you learn people's password styles. Bad guys are making portfolios out of people. We're figuring out how people generate their passwords and kind of, you know, figuring, and then it's easier to crack their password. You know, we're making a dossier on each person. It's $350 million dossiers just in that one hack. Yahoo, there was half a billion.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source