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Chris Tarbell

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“Set up something you can change every 30 days. Simple little things like that. You know, I hate to remind you, but change your passwords. I mean, I feel like I'm a broken record again. But just make it more difficult for others to victimize you.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Again, educate yourself that you understand that there is a threat. First, you have to realize that then you're going to step up and you're going to do stuff a little bit more. Sometimes I guess thing I take that to a little bit extreme. I remember one time my mom called me and she was screaming that I woke up this morning and I just clicked on a link and now my phone is making weird noises. And I was like, throw your phone in a glass of water. Just put it in a glass of water right now. And I made my mom cry. It was not a pleasant thing. Sometimes I go to a little extremes on those ones. But understand there's a risk and making it a little bit more difficult to become a victim. I mean, just understanding certain things. You know, simple things like, you know, as we add more Internet of the Things to people's houses, I mean, how many Wi-Fi networks do people have? It's normally just one and you're bumping your phones and giving your password to people to come to visit. Set up a guest network.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You've got it right there. People have no idea these large companies how often they're attacked on a per second basis. And they have to fight all that off and pick out the good traffic in there. So yeah, there's no way I'd want to run a large tech company.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Do you know why we need two factor authentication? People using the same password across a site. So when one site is compromised, people just take that username and password. It's called credential stuffing and just stuff it across the internet. So if 10 years ago when we told everybody, don't use the same fucking password across the internet, across multiple sites, maybe two-factor wouldn't be needed.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“If security, if it's slightly inconvenient for you, think about how inconvenient it is for a hacker and how this is just going to move on to the next person.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It just gets refreshed like that. Access control. Like we said, setting up people leaving, people leaving the company. Get rid of their, they don't need control. Two-factor authentication. That's a big thing. I sound like a broken record because this isn't anything new. This isn't rocket science. The problem was we're not implementing it. If we are, we're not doing it correctly because these guys are taking us.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, yeah, so there's a big difference between IT and security, and unfortunately these midside companies, they try to stack security into their IT department. Your IT department is about business continuity. They're about trying to move business forward. They want your users to get the data they need to do their job so the company can grow. Security is not that. They don't want you to get the data. But there's fine-tuning you can do to ensure that. I mean, as simple as having good onboarding procedures for employees, like you come into my company, you don't need access to everything. Maybe you need access to something for one day. Turn the access on. Don't leave it on. I mean, I was the victim of the OPM hack, the office of personnel management, because old credentials from a third-party vendor were sitting there and active and the Chinese government found those credentials and were able to log in and steal all my information.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The reputational harm, if it got out, I mean, Google, you know, why is Google Drive Free? Because they want your data. They want you to park your data there. So, you know, if they got hacked or leaked information, the reputational harm would be tremendous.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's impossible if I could, if someone had it, they'd be a billionaire. They'd be beyond a billionaire, you know, because that's what everybody wants. So it's, you know, you can buy all the tools you want. It's configuring them the proper way. And if anyone's trying to tell you that there's one solution that fits all, there's snakehold salesman. And there's a lot of people in cybersecurity that are snakehold salesmen.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, the problem is they want a push button. They want an out-of-the-box solution. I'm secure. They want to tell people they're secure.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The wild, wild west, and it's, I mean, People want the idea of security, but it's inconvenient, so they push back on it. And there are a lot of opportunistic nation state, financially motivated hackers, hackers for the lulls. You got three different tiers there. And they're on the prowl. They have tools. They have really good tools that are being used against us.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“NASA used to be the golden ring. Now everybody got NASA. That was like the early 90s. If you could hack NASA, that was the now, yeah, MIT is a big one.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and it doesn't go anywhere. Maybe it has fake information and stuff like that. You know, it's kind of to see what's going on and judge what's happening on the internet. lick your finger and test the wind of what's happening these days.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Put a Windows 7 machine on the internet forward facing and put a packet sniffer on there and look at where the driver comes from. I mean, in 24 hours, you were going to fill up a hard drive with packets just coming at it. I mean, it's not hard to know. I mean, it's just constantly probing for entry points into things. You could go mad putting up honeypot, draws in intrusions. I see what methodology.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Oh, it's international. I mean, we're seeing a lot of the big hackers now, the big arrests for hackers in England, surprisingly, you know, there's, you know, you're not going to see there's a lot of good hackers like down in Brazil, but I don't think Brazil law enforcement is as good hunting them down. So you're not going to see the big arrests.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think there's a profile anymore. I used to be able to say the kid in your mom's basement or something like that, but it's not true anymore. It's wide. I've arrested. Arrested people that you wouldn't expect would be cyber criminals.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There's still people out there that bitch and moan about him. But yeah, I think it's less. I think, you know, he has a good message out there, you know. He's trying to keep kids from making the same mistakes he made. He tries to really preach that.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He has very good security for himself, cybersecurity. But, you know, he doesn't like the negative thing said about him online. I don't think anybody does. But, you know, I think it's so many years of the internet kind of. Bitching at you and all that, you get callous to, it's just internet bitching.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Terror hack, but yeah, he kind of came back when anonymous started going after MasterCard and PayPal and all that due to the WikiLeak stuff.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, so the word informant here really isn't that good. It's not fitting. Technically, I guess that's what he was, but he didn't know the other people. It was all an on. He knew Nick's and all that. He really gave us the insight of what was happening in the hacker world. Like I said, he was an old school hacker. Back when hackers didn't work together with Anonymous, you know, he was down a cult of dead cow and those type guys like way back. And he was around for that. He's like an encyclopedia of hacking. But, you know, we just...”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Now, that's if you took every charge we had against him and put him consecutively. No, no one ever gets charged that. But yeah, he had essentially it would have been 125 years. You know, fast forward to the end, he got thanked by the judge for his service after nine months. And he walked out of the court a free man.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But yeah, if he would have fought it, I mean, that definitely would have come in as evidence that other FBI agents are saying it's not him. You have to disclose that stuff.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I mean, we had his laptop by that point. Yeah, I know, but it was saying that helped. Again, I'm a clue in my world.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think he chose that night, but that's where it kind of went to. So we brought him down to the FBI that night, which was a funny trip because I'm sitting in the back seat of the car with him. And I was getting calls from all over the U.S. from different FBI agents saying that we arrested the wrong guy. I was like, I don't think so. And they're like, why do you think so? I was like, because he says it's him. And they still said, nope, it's the wrong guy. So I said, well, we'll see how it plays out.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Took the stairs We get to the top. Tad winded, but knocking the door, and this big towering guy opens the door just slightly. And he sees the green vest with big yellow letters FBI, and he steps outside. Can I help you? He tries to social engineer us. But eventually we get our way inside the house. You know, I noticed a few things that are kind of out of place. There's a laptop charger and a flashing modem. And I said, do you have a computer here? And he says, no, there's no computer here. So we knew the truths and then the half lies and all that sort of thing. So it took us about another two hours and finally gave up that he was taboo. He was the guy we were looking for. And so we sat there and we kind of showed him sort of the evidence we had against him. And from his words, we sat there and talked like two grown adults. And, you know, I gave him the options and he said, well, let's talk about working together.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Baby's wired. Be care You know, we raced out there, and like our squad's not even full. There's only a few guys there. And, like I said, I was a suit guy, but that day I had shorts and a t-shirt on. I had a white t-shirt on. And I only bring it up because Sebu makes fun of me to this day. So I had a bulletproof vest and a white t-shirt on. And that was it. shorts tuned and all that but um raced over to there we didn't have any equipment um we brought our bosses boss's boss he stopped off at nypd got us like a ballistic shield uh and a and a battery and ram if we needed it And then we get to Hector's house, Sabu's house, and he's on the sixth floor. And so normally, you know, we're the cyber dork squad, we'll hop in the elevator six floors is a long ways to go up and bulletproof vest and oblistic shield. But we had been caught in an elevator before on a search, so we didn't.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A little bit, yeah. I mean, it is true. But they fit into the area. So now they're on the lower east side, which is, you know, a baby stroller might not fit in there as well as, you know, somebody laying on the ground or something like that. They really get play the character and get into it.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That day, someone had doxed Sabu and we were a little afraid he was going to be on the run. We had a surveillance team, an FBI surveillance teams are awesome. Like you cannot even tell their FBI agents. They are really that good. I mean, there's baby strollers and all, whatever you wouldn't expect an FBI agent to have.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You get you on the news. It's the lulls. It's funnier to go after the big ones. You know, and they weren't getting real FBI. They weren't breaking into FBI mainframes or anything, but they were affiliate sites or anything that a lot of law enforcement stuff was coming out. But, you know, We looked back, and so if this kid knew that Sabu, maybe there was a chance we could use him to lure Sabu out. But we also said, well, maybe this kid knows Sabu in real life. And so we went and looked through the IPs and 10 million IPs, we find one and it blogged to him.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That night and started talking to me. And I said, let's just meet up tomorrow at the McDonald's Across from 26 Fed. And he came in and three of us sat there and talked and, you know, gave me his stuff. He started telling me about all the felonies he was committing those days, including that break in AOL. And then he finally says, you know, I can give you saboo. And Saboo to us was the Kaiser Sosafaken. He was our guy. He was the guy that was in the news that was pissing us off.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Through anonymous. Through anonymous. Well, then really kind of Lulsek. Lulsek was a big thing and it was pushed out to all the cyber, you know, 56 field offices in the FBI. Most of them have cyber squads or cyber units. And so, you know, it was being pushed out there. And it was in the news every day, but it really wasn't ours. So we didn't have a lot of victims in our AOR area of responsibility. And so we just kind of pay attention to it. Then I got a tip that a local hacker in New York had broken into AOL. And so Olivia Olson and I, she's another agent who she's still in. She's a supervisor out in LA. She's a great agent. We went all around New York looking for this kid just to see what we can find and ended up out in Staten Island at his grandmother's house. She didn't know where he was, obviously. Why would she? But I left my card. He gave me a call.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Convincing me of anything, you know, two different people there's Sabu and there's Hector. Hector is a sweet guy. He likes to have intellectual conversations and that's just his thing. He'd rather, you know, just sit there and have a one-on-one conversation with you. But Sabu, that's a ruthless motherfucker.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I think you get in trouble these days saying that what a hacker looks like. I don't know if they have a traditional look. Just like I said, Hollywood has an idea on FBI looks like. I don't think you can do that anymore. I don't think you can say that anymore.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He's an old school hacker. I mean, he learned how to hack, and I don't want to tell his story, but he learned to hack because he grew up in the lower east side of New York and picked up some NYPD computers that were left on the sidewalk for trash. Taught himself how to”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Safer and the system's tougher. I mean, Lulsek, six guys, one guy in the United States, five guys other places. Hector was facing 125 years. Those guys got slaps on the wrist and went back to college. Different laws, different places”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There's a lot of crazy. There's a lot of evil. Most people, I think, get into cybercrime or just opportunistic. Not necessarily evil. They don't really know, maybe think about the victim. They just do it's a crime of opportunity. I don't label that as evil.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I understand the threat, and I think that's what a lot of people don't understanding what the threat against them is. So I'm aware of that, what possibly. And I think about it, you know, I think about things. I do remember, so you tripped a memory in my mind. I remember a lot of times, and I had a gun on my hip. I still carry a gun to this day opening my front door and being concerned what was on the other side, walking out of the house Because I couldn't see it. I remember those four o'clock heading to the car. I was literally scared.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was only that time. I mean, for actual physical security, then, I mean, after the anonymous stuff, I really tightened down to my cybersecurity. You know, I don't have social media. I don't have pictures of me and my kids online. I don't believe if I go to a wedding or something, I say, I don't take my picture with my kids, you know, if you're going to post it someplace or something like that. So that sort of security I have. But just like everybody, you start to relax a little bit and security breaks down because it's not convenient.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The best time I had was that drive in the morning where I could just be myself. I listened to a sports podcast out of DC. And we talked about sports and, you know, the nationals and whatever it was, the capitals, you know, it was great to not think about Silk Road for 10 minutes. But that was my best time. But yeah, again, so yeah, I've had that moving to the safe house. I left my MP5 at home. That's the bureau's machine gun, showed my wife to just pull and spray.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Through that and it scared the shit out of him. And that's, to be honest, I think that's sort of my mother-in-law's words where I thought you did cybercrime. Because during Silk Road, I didn't tell my family what I was working on. I don't talk about that. I want to escape that. I don't want to be there. I remember that when I was in the FBI, like driving in, I used to go in at 4.30 every morning because I like to go to the gym before I go to the desk. So I'd be at the desk at 7. So in the gym at 5, a couple hours and then go.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I wasn't in a state of mind to drive myself, so an agent on the squad and a girl named Evelyn, she drove me, lights and sirens all the way to my kids' school. And I called to school. We were in a lockdown. Nobody should get in or out, especially someone with a gun. The first thing they did was let me in the building with a gun. So I was a little disappointed with that. My kids were, I think, kindergarten and fifth grade or somewhere around there. Maybe they're closer second. I'm not sure where. But all hell broke loose. And we had to from there go move into a safe house. I live in New York City. NYPD surrounded my house. The FBI put cameras outside my house. You couldn't drive in my neighborhood without your license plate being read. Hey, why is this person here? Why is that person there? I got to watch my house on an iPad while I sat at my desk. But, you know, again, I put my family.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I had to make a really, really shitty phone call one time. I was sitting in the bureau and this was right after Silk Road and Jared called me. He was back in Chicago and he called me and said, hey, your name and your kid's name are on a website for an assassination. They're paying to have you guys killed. Now these things happen on the black market. They come up, you know. People debate whether they're real or not. But we have to take it serious. Someone's pain to have me killed my. So I had to call my wife and we have a word in that if I said this word and we only said it one time to each other. If I said this is serious, drop what you're doing and get to the kids. And so I had to drop the word to her. And I could feel the breath come out of her because she thought her kids were in danger. At the time they were.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Probably. Definitely, if they've had a few drinks, you could definitely. Well, but people are going to recognize you. That's the only problem. That's another thing. You start taking out big, big cases. You can't work cases anymore in the FBI. Your face gets out there”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, not just that people wanted it. I mean, people expected when you knocked you are dressed like a perfect FBI agent. When someone knocks on their door, that's what they want to see. They want to see what Hollywood built up is what an FBI agent is. You show up like my friend Owan. He was dressed always in t-shirts and shorts. People aren't going to take him serious. They're not going to give him what they want.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I was a suit and tie guy Yeah, every day. I remember one time I wore shorts in and the SAC came in, and this was when I was a rock star at the time in the Bureau, and I had shorts in. And I said, sorry, ma'am, I apologize for my attire. And she goes, you could wear bike shorts in here. I wouldn't care. I was like, oh shit, that sounds nice. I never wore the bike shorts”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I went through the school, but. I'm pretty open and honest guy, and so it's tough for me to build that wall of lies. Maybe I'm just not smart enough to keep all the lies straight.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“247 you're inside that world like you have to know what's going on and what's happening you know you're taking on you have to remember who you are when you're because you're a criminal online You have to go to a special school for it, too.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Undercover is a high bar to jump over. You have to do a lot to start an undercover in the FBI. There's a lot of thresholds. So it's not your first investigative tool step. You have to identify a problem and then so that the lower steps can't get you there. But I mean, I think we had an undercover going on in the squad about all times when one was being shut down or taken down. We were spinning up another one. So it's a good tool to have, you know, and utilize. There are a lot of work. I don't think if you run one, you'll never run another one in your life.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, it's that same pressure I think we were talking about with the FBI and with the tech companies about controllers. I mean, the editors have to please and get those clicks. I mean, they're measured by those clicks. So, you know, I'm sure the journalists, the true journalists, the good ones out there want that, but they want to stay employed too.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A collection of people that has some hackers in it. There's not a lot of big hackers in it. I mean, there'll some that'll come bounce in and bounce out. Even back then, there was probably just as many reporters in it, people of the media in it than hackers at the time just trying to get the inside scoop on things. Some giving the inside scoop, you know, we arrested a reporter that gave over the username and password to his newspaper. And just so he could break the story. He trusted him.”
2022-11-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #340 – Chris Tarbell: FBI Agent Who Took Down Silk Road · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source