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Christian van der Henst

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“I was like, that's no problem. Detroit's not far away, you know. Yeah, so yeah, I don't know what I would pay, but if they make it to the finals, I will definitely be going courtside or hopefully up close. My friend David Adelman owns the 76 or so. I think I won him 76ers to play the 76ers so I can go there and torture him and watch him home games in Philly.”
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“It's one of the great things about going to these arenas and these other cities is it's $50,000 to sit courtside at Madison Square Garden and it's a small fraction of that in these other cities. So I treat myself to it.”
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“Yeah, according to the I believe Boston, who's playing at home will beat Philly and will beat Boston. And then we have to beat the winner of Detroit Pistons versus Orlando. And I think Orlando's ahead in that series. So we get to rest up while those teams figure it out. And yeah, basically, this is the Nick's best chance of getting to the finals and competing for the championship in. Since the 90s basically. Wow. Y”
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“It really doesn't matter. We beat both of those teams in the last two playoff series that we played against them. The Knicks were actually built to beat those two teams specifically. Those two teams have Jason Tatum at the Celtics and on the Philadelphia 76ers they have Joelle Embiid.”
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“Year before I went to Philly. And there's like, you get to see Atlanta, Philly, and Detroit. I don't think I'd been there as an adult. Why am I going to these cities? Like, there's not a lot going on in them. And then it turns out they're actually quite, you know, cities on the rise, great American cities that are working through some issues. So it's actually a great excuse to just go to a city for three days and check it out and eat at their best restaurant, see their sites and take in a game and taking a local culture. All three of those local cultures here in the like northeast generally speaking were just wonderful to experience.”
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“But going to the opposing arena adds like a level of villainy and fun. And so I was wearing my nice, you know, Kith jacket. And interacting with everybody was a lot of fun, but you get to go see another city. So last year I went to Detroit, if you remember at this time, Timothy Chowame and Ben Siller and everybody went. We had a group of four guys. My brother, Josh.”
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“Like 100 and something to 40, and they were up 60 points for most of the game. The Knicks are the best team in the East. They've got a suffocating defense, and they hit a lot of their shots at the same time. Lana Hawks are a young team, and they kind of folded. And so it was absolutely insane. Yeah, it was a blowout. I'll say since we're in our off-duty segment, and I think Fat Don Capital is making us a graphic and music for off-duty, we like to go off duty at the end of the game and just talk about random stuff. At the end of the show, this is my tip for people. If you got some siblings or friends in different cities, and I guess maybe I'm late to the party on this, going to see your favorite sports team in the non-home arena, like me going back to Manison Square Garden is amazing. Maybe I'll catch a game when I'm there at some point.”
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“I have, you know, I have been watching basketball since I was in a teenager and I have never seen a blowout like this in Atlanta. I had courtside seats in Atlanta and it was insane. 40 to 15 after the first quarter. It was a historic beatdown, the largest margin of victory, I think, at multiple times for a playoff game in the modern era.”
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“Go work on an open source project when they have this once in a lifetime chance to take down 10 or 20 or 50 or 100 million dollars in equity”
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“Yeah, I think we do need to be aware of it. I think it's definitely something to monitor. Don't have a problem with them asking Airbnb or whoever for a little feedback on how they're using it. I think it's probably great that these centers, congressmen, everybody are getting a little more educated on it. Obviously, I need to be educated on it. haven't been using it all that much, but we use Kimmy on some of our OpenClaw instances and we run our own on US steel and iron. Interesting to think about. I think practically probably not an attack vector, but we do need a champion here in the US. The problem is all the great minds and AI have been offered competing packages from meta, open AI, Grok, and Thropic and Microsoft and startups for $10 million in RSUs over the next four years. Why would they?”
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“Am I crazy? You know, the bias in the models is true. They can steal IP and they do. So I guess there are some concerns around that. I think you could test it pretty quickly. I mean, if you went to Deep Seek right now and you asked it like, you know, tell me about the Uyghurs in China and how they're being. I understand you're asking about a topic where there are two starkly different and contradictory narratives. The information I can find is predominantly Bon. It just took the answer. And did you see that? It snapped its shot.”
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“Yeah, I mean, they're open source projects, so I'm not sure the government can stop this because you can fork them and just restart them in the United States. And they are open. So the idea that you would have inside of them, what you would have inside of TikTok, which is the ability to, you know, steal users data, know who's connected to who. Local information, have access to people's camera rolls, have access to the location data, have access to cut and paste. You know, you got a lot of data you can have in that case in an open model if you're running it locally. Like does OpenSeek have a backdoor in there and how effective is that backdoor? And could they hide a backdoor in there? I'm not so certain. It's a bit above my pay grade, but from my understanding, incredibly hard in an open source project like that to put a backdoor.”
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“And I'll still be on 5G or I'm in a hotel. Like I went to the hotel this time and I forgot to log in to the internet because I have my MacBook set up to automatically connect to my phone. So I just started working. I was like, oh, wait a second. This is a little slow. And after 10 minutes of work, I was like, oh yeah, I'm not on the. Wi-Fi of the hotel that's how good the mobile network got. So it's going to get even better.”
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“Could run a local model. You could run OpenClaw, you can do all these interesting things, and that will continue. So it's really nice when we have a new application that tests and stress tests the existing infrastructure. And that's what's happening right now. We've never seen this amount of demand for anything except for maybe mobile bandwidth. I think there was a time period where You paid per SMS and like there wasn't enough infrastructure to get your text messages and text messages were bogging down the system. And then BlackBerry started bogging down the networks and had to build 3G and 4G and 5G and LTE. And now if you asked a person like bandwidth at their home, they'd be like, well, I have a fiber connection. I have 500 megabit. I have Starolink where it's like swimming in bandwidth now. And a lot of times I'll come home.”
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“The question is, you know, will we overbuild right now? It doesn't feel like you can overbuild because people, there's such a demand for tokens. And if you were to compare this to when they built out fiber, when they built out all this fiber, there was no Netflix. You couldn't stream a HD movie. There was no YouTube. People didn't have smartphones. They weren't taking 10 minute videos of their kids and uploading them and sharing them. You didn't actually need that much bandwidth. In other words, the infrastructure was outpacing the application layer and the consumer use case or the business use case. Same thing happened with computers, PCs started to become really powerful and people were using them for word processing and browsing. So it was like, okay, you can keep your MacBook Pro for five years, six years. There was no reason to upgrade. AI has changed all of that. There is a reason to upgrade your MacBook Pro or get a Mac Studio.”
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“You know, and we'll see if, I mean, Meta and Apple creating a Google Compute Cloud or Azure or AWS would be certainly fascinating. But those three businesses are growing like gangbusters. They have no choice but to add compute.”
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“So if you had a way to deploy a large amount of capital and capture a new market, you would take it. Meta, Amazon, Google, Microsoft are all taking that opportunity to deploy their cash. If you were holding these because you like the dividend or if you're holding them because you like the share buyback and you're a pure financial person who just purely likes that, you should just buy muni bonds or something boring that, you know, give you a tax-free, four or five percent, you know, just go for it. I like to see these companies do something interesting with their money. Buy large companies, buy promising companies, expand into new markets, create an Apple car, create Apple homes, do something interesting with your money and creating a cloud computing platform, which is what three of the four major CapEx spenders did.”
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“It was crazy. I only bought like two or three thousand shares. It wasn't like a ton of money, but it has worked out pretty well. What should they, if you, what I noticed in Robinhood was I was making like four or five hundred dollars a quarter in dividends. I didn't even know Google had a dividend. And I had it set to just reinvest it. So every time I get a dividend, I buy more shares. So I buy like now if I get a $400 dividend, I buy one share. So every quarter, I get, you know, every year I get four more shares. Or previously I got eight more shares. I guess that's fine. Just sit there. Over 10 years, I get 50 more shares. It's irrelevant to a certain extent.”
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“Well, you know, a company that has free cash flow has a decision to make what to do with all that extra cash laying around. And you can buy back your shares of your company. I think Apple bought back like half their shares over the decades of just printing money. You could acquire companies and use the cash to buy companies. Under Lena Khan, we had a bit of a pause there and it's been harder and harder to do that in Europe as well. Hard to do M&A. Hard to easy to buy back your shares. And then you can give dividends. And so I was just looking at, you know, I bought a bunch of Google shares two years ago in 2023 or three years ago when people were saying, hey, they're toast. I was like, yeah, I don't buy that.”
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“Yeah, so I mean, this is, I think this whole thing will wind up, I think they'll just trade for 50% of the value of their Bitcoin. At which point you would be wise to sell and get out of there and just own Bitcoin.”
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“Really wanted Bitcoin, why not just buy it directly? You can just buy direct on Robinhood or Coinbase or anything. It's available everywhere. But put it at two years or five years is, I think, fine, five years probably good. And this thing had quite a run-up in 2024, as you can see. It was just cruising along there at whatever. And man, it spiked up to $300 a share. I think it peaked at, where did it peak if you were to go to the peak there? Yeah, maybe 400 a share. Then when it hit that, it was trading at, I think, three times the value of the Bitcoin they owned. Now they put all these layered perpetrators.”
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“At that strategy, put that strategy for like two years or something. And this is the most interesting chart, I think. If you look at the strategy chart, he's been, Michael Saylor has been buying and buying. And, you know, I've invited him on the pod. He wanted to come on the pod. And then he kind of disappeared and ghosted me. But I think as I was a little bit critical of it, like, because why would you buy?”
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“Reasonable thesis they test it. Okay, if it works, they stay in the 128. If it doesn't work and they're not updating their code, they get out of the 128 people and they're a little bit tensor incubator, you know, as I like to call it. And yeah, we move on And here's strategy”
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“If you were a buyer who is crypto savvy, A believer, you already own some Bitcoin. So it's for you, it's why would I buy incremental Bitcoin? And it's like, well, I don't know why I'll buy incremental. And if you bought it because you were speculating, everybody who bought this bought it because somebody went on TV and said it's going to be a million dollars of coin. It's going to be 10 million of coin. It's going to be $500,000 a coin. There are countless, countless people saying outrageous things about a 10x price jump from here. Okay. Fine. Why would it go there? Explain. Give me your thesis. Like if I have a thesis about tau, it's of those 128 subnets competing, they're going to provide value to the world, as we saw earlier. Hey, compute having a permissionless compute platform, that serves some value to somebody who's got some compute layering around and they don't have a five-year contract on it yet. They can Airbnb there, you know, GPUs. Great. Okay, that sounds like a great.”
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“Yeah, you could just slowly deprecate over time without incremental buyers coming in. And then people just at some point need the money. So you're a Bitcoin holder and you're like, I had a kid. I've got some bills to pay. I'm retiring. I'm going to spend this money on my retirement. So I do think we're going to be living in a post Bitcoin world at some point where it's just like this memory of some interesting thing that occurred, you know, Atari 2600 or video games in stalls at arcades. It could have that kind of an existence because it's not really cutting edge anymore. It's not doing anything interesting for humanity.”
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“Question the future of Bitcoin in terms of its relevancy to the public and the interest from the public, the relevancy to developers and using it as a platform, that's been out the window for many years. Doesn't really work as a platform. And then for moving money around, obviously stablecoins, better, faster, more integrated. So where is Audience coming from where's the incremental buyer of Bitcoin? Why would people start storing money in Bitcoin if it was a speculative tool? Let's just call it what it is. It was a game. People were gambling. And so, you know, I said this on Twitter. I left it up here. This is 2018 when it was trading at 3,700. It has had a hard time getting back to six figures. It could just trade based.”
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“Says, quote, There's a 33% chance of. Yeah, so I do think that that's still something people should keep in mind. Now, I know it sounds crazy, but if there is a better system or a new game, if you're a speculator and you feel the game of tao or the game of Solan is a more interesting game, more interesting energy there, why wouldn't you move half your Bitcoin over or a third of your Bitcoin over? That creates downward pressure. If you didn't have Michael Saylor trying to buy it all or get to 20% ownership, I'm wondering what impact that would have on the price, right? Consistent buyer and he owns six or seven percent of the Active Bitcoins. Like there's a certain percentage of deactive. Anyway, it's a long way of saying,”
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“Now that it feels like there are so many other alternatives and on a functionality basis, there are tons of legal stablecoins that make it easier to move money around at a lower cost. On the other side, if you're looking for something interesting, BitSensor and Tau and Solana feel much more interesting in terms of where the entrepreneurs are placing their bets and building things around it. And Bitcoin feels stale. And I said Bitcoin Zero was a distinct possibility. And I said that when Bitcoin was at 10, 50K, everything in between. Why? Well, all technology eventually deprecates, with very few exceptions we've seen in our lifetime. Like, yeah, sure, there are still people running systems on Fortran or something. There are still people running on mini computers here and there.”
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“Well, I mean, if Bitcoin dropped. 20% from here. It's trading at 78 or something. So it could easily drop 10% because it was in the high 60s. So it could easily drop 10. And that would bring it from 1.5 trillion down to 1.3. And then, if Anthropic then went from $900 billion to $1.3, that's a pretty big jump too. That's like a 50% jump. So it's not double. You could see a scenario of a 20% drop in Bitcoin, et cetera. I think Bitcoin might have, and I know somebody could wind up clipping this, but I think Bitcoin is so played out. I think everybody has like some exposure to it who would have wanted exposure by now that there's no incremental buyers of Bitcoin. And I think people have essentially ended the game of Bitcoin.”
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“Grand post on this TikTok. So you go here, you go to annotated.com. If you build it, we're going to pick the best service. And I want to put it into production. So we'll give $5,000 to the best product. And that's it.”
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“Correct. It would be a thread about that piece of content. But then YouTube became pretty big. So again, if you want to clip a YouTube clip, what do you have to do or a podcast clip? Some podcast players have the ability to clip a little bit. They're pretty cludy. What I want to be able to do is you put in a YouTube video. have an episode of a podcast. You say, hey, I want to debate this. I'll take and we're going to come up with a number like 90 seconds max or something. And then downgrade the video file so it's in 280 or something. So it's not going to replace the original, put a watermark on it, link back to the original so nobody can complain. And then you add your commentary. You add your commentary about that video. Maybe it's a video response to the video or just some text. Then all of that would be able to train or feed LLMs. So that's the new wrinkle is we want to make this available to LLMs to say, hey, there's a debated fact check here or here's some commentary on this tweet, on this Instagram.”
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“New York Times here it is. And I'd say, you know, I gave that quote, but here's the full quote I gave. I thought it was clipped, you know, or edited a bit, but I just want to give additional context. Now, Alec should come there. The journalist from the New York Times come there, and they could actually have a discussion on that object. So, my object”
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“If people followed it and added to their bookmore collection, it would move up. Okay, so annotated is a service that I wanted to create for the last 15 years. What I wanted to be able to do was highlight a paragraph somewhere, a New York Times story, a tweet, and then just give my comments on it. And so it was like a clipping service that would allow you to fact check something, debate something, and then make a very simple URL. So I didn't want to steal the whole New York Times story and then, you know, write a couple comments under it or use the commenting system on the New York Times. I wanted Alex and I were debating something. It's in the New York Times, the quote unquote paper of record. People debate that today where it's in a tech crunch story. I want to be able to highlight a quote I gave and then explain underneath it in a comment, hey, I'm annotated.com slash JSON slash.”
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“Yeah, so I bought this domain name 15, 20 years ago. In fact, I bought it after I sold Weblogs Inc., which did engage in autoblog. I sold that to AOL. There was another service delicious, which everybody loved. They sold to Yahoo. Yahoo kind of deprecated it. I'm sure it doesn't exist now. But Delicious became a bit of a social network. It was kind of like a reverse dig. If you said, I want to keep this bookmark you save it in your delicious. You could have people follow your delicious. So if you were Alex and you were really into heavy metal, you could have that tagged. You could have your heavy metal tracks. And I could follow it. And then people could.”
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“Mark Jeffrey over on XMARK J E F-R-U-Y. We love Mark here at Twist. Jason, we have some news, yep. Before we do that, I thought we would talk about the just. There are two. Yeah, and we also, I think we have a polymarket we need to get to.”
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“The same as if you had an extra. Home and you moved into your new home, you still have your existing home, and you're like, can't find a buyer. I'm going to have it on Airbnb, which we literally did. Or two homes ago, and it was generating $100,000 in revenue a year. We weren't renting it that often, but it was a nice five bedroom home that cost, you know, $1,500, $2,000 a night. So there weren't that many people who could use it in Airbnb. We had a three-night minimum, but it added up very quickly, covered the taxes on the place, you know, the taxes on the place were $75,000 a year. So it was like, okay, at least we're not burning money with this thing. So it's a really great use case. Robert continued, success will drop you off. If you're interested in Tao, I suggest following on X.com slash Mark Jeffrey, really my partner on Stillcore Capital, which is looking at all these subnets.”
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“So, making it harder for you guys to actually aggregate them because the more B200s you want, great, because then you can have more total capacity at the cutting edge of what's possible. But also as you go into these increasingly exotic chips that need more and more stuff built around them to function, doesn't that limit your minor base essentially to data centers larger than the mom and pops? Doesn't that kind of take away the decentralization?”
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“And that vibe, I think, is what's going to make it really successful is you don't need permission to join the network. There's no regulation. And that's also going to cause, at some point, just like Bitcoin did, regulators to look at it and say, okay, let's make sure somebody's not using these GPUs to, I don't know, build the next COVID, you know, and you would have no idea, Robert, if somebody was sending a job there, and neither would the GPU provider. It's just done.”
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“You have some sort of verifier that says, hey, we know what this system is when it's onboarded. So that's kind of the magic of these systems is Could be people, I don't know, from a communist country that have access to low-priced energy, they have some GPUs sitting around. Maybe they fell off a truck. Maybe their extra ones at their university and some hacker at a university is like, you know, whether it's MIT or it's in Shanghai just decides, I'm going to put a couple of these GPUs in here and make a little extra side money. it gets utilized This is going to be very confounding to regulators in some cases. It's very much like the Bitcoin freedom”
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“I mean, in terms of pricing, startups need to know what they're going to spend. And there is standard pricing. So having it be too variable, I think, would be a blocker for people utilizing it. They don't want to get surprised with the bill unless the surprise was to the downside. So you could have a cap on the price and you could say, hey, if it's underutilized, you know, the lowest priced GPUs get used first and we're going to route it there. So then people could say, hey, here's the rack rate. I'm willing to be 10% lower than that. And it could be dynamic. The permissionless piece of this is, of course, very important, Alex, because you don't need permission to provide your compute on Terragon. You don't need permission to use it. And you don't need permission to get paid or to pay, right? These things just happen as part of the system. So if you put your GPUs in there, you don't need to be a”
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“Known as Tau, dollar sign TAO. And that became the bit tensor network. And each of those uses TAW in some way, and they can have their own token underneath it. And in some way, they provide some product or service as part of the network to everybody else. We've had them on here. Some of them are doing distributed computing. Some of them are trying to solve problems in the world, genetics, et cetera. So let's hear what Robert's up to. Robert, just before you do that, I want to point out that there's 128 subnets, but there is a lot of churn, Jason. So some subnets get turned off. New people get brought on. It's not an incubator with only 128 slots forever. There is, Robert, I think like one or two subnets a month that get kind of reprocessed and put back into service.”
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“Describe Bit Tensor in like one sentence as a permissionless market, it's a permissionless markets or a market of markets, a platform. I think a lot of people are familiar with these sorts of concepts, but BitTensor hosts all of these different permissionless markets and we're able to leverage that to aggregate compute in a secure way to where we can run secure workloads on untrusted host machines or trusted workloads on untrusted host machines. All right. I think it's pretty good way to describe it if you were to think of it like an incubator. Alex, I like to use it like an incubator. So you think of Y Combinator or launches incubator found university. Imagine you had 128 slots, a bunch of founders competed to put their businesses on those slots.”
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2026-05-01 · This Week in Startups · Can an AI Agent Legally Own a Company? Christian van der Henst's Wild Experiment| E2283 · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Robert, in your most plain English, if you were talking to, I don't know, a cousin who's not on the internet 12 hours a day like us, if they said, what's Tao? Is it Bitcoin? How would you explain the difference between maybe they own some Bitcoin and a distributed network like Bitcoin for storage versus what TAO is and then maybe jump into what you're doing building? Starting a new business can be pretty intimidating. And in addition to having a world-class product and a great team, it really helps to have partners that you can trust you on companies with reliable tools and expertise that you can depend on and there's no better example than Shopify. Shopify is the e-commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world. In fact, they're powering 10% of all e-commerce in the United States from household names like Heinz and Mattel to companies that are just getting started. Perhaps like yours, if you are launching a new brand, Shopify is going to”
2026-05-01 · This Week in Startups · Can an AI Agent Legally Own a Company? Christian van der Henst's Wild Experiment| E2283 · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Using it so she doesn't have the usual like it's always listening to us complaints all right moving on we are going to talk to our dear friends from manifold we have Robert the co-founder and CEO with us Jason Manifold is a company that is building Targon it uses bit tensor subnet four to aggregate compute and it has gone through an interesting progression Robert I want to start well Juan thank you for being on the show but explain to us the progression from Sybil into Targon today and how it uses Bit Tensor to But even before you do that just in case there's people who don't know about Tao and Bit Tensor”
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“Taking absolutely fantastic, and use it wisely, right? It's a very powerful device. And so use it wisely. And they're very privacy first, which was always my concern here on the podcast. I don't like the idea of covert ones. When I evaluated all these products in the market, I came upon Plaud and fell in love with it, talked about it here on the pod, and then they wound up wanting to buy some ads because they want me to talk about it every time we do a live show. So speaking of that, you do need a plaud notepen S in our opinion. So you can go to plaud.ai plaud.ai slash twist. Use the code twist, save 10%, get your life in order, stop forgetting things. And if I can say, Jason, look super fly with your plod pen. They're actually quite cute. Most AI devices are kind of choogy. It's like an AI device if Apple or Braun or BMW designed it. It's pretty, pretty, pretty beautiful. Yeah, no, I quite like it. Even my spouse doesn't mind because I turn it off, but I'm not.”
2026-05-01 · This Week in Startups · Can an AI Agent Legally Own a Company? Christian van der Henst's Wild Experiment| E2283 · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“People think sometimes I've lost my mind because they see me walking through an airport and sometimes I'm using the wrist and I'm just holding the wrist up like this and I'm just talking to it and press the button. I stop recording. I don't have to pull out the phone. I have it here. And of course it's a flawless device, I have to say. And it's the future.”
2026-05-01 · This Week in Startups · Can an AI Agent Legally Own a Company? Christian van der Henst's Wild Experiment| E2283 · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Future, you will report to work and talk to an agent at some point. Christian, great job. We'll drop you off and let's keep moving through the docket today on this week. Thank you, Christian. All right, Jason, I think before we get any further, we need to talk about the importance of note taking and ensuring that your conversations are in your note files. Your agent doesn't know what it doesn't know. You need to make sure it's fed of information. And how do we do that here at Twist? Well, I do it with Plaud. So I applaud Plaud. I take my plaud. You've got it on your wrist. I've got it here on my shirt. Press the button. Red light goes on. Now I'm not taking. Put it in the cradle when I charge. It syncs or I just open my app on my phone. And listen, I still take print notes here. I still have my pen. And I will take notes. What I'm finding though is when I'm on a tear, when I'm really cooking, when I'm cooking with oil, I got a lot of ideas. My pen can't keep up with my mind. Yes. And so, but my voice can. So I just start talking it out, talking it out.”
2026-05-01 · This Week in Startups · Can an AI Agent Legally Own a Company? Christian van der Henst's Wild Experiment| E2283 · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Jobless exam indeed on LinkedIn and held phone interviews and then made hiring decisions. I think this is probably a little bit performative. I bet you this was done, you know, a little cheeky with a little human intervention, but this is the future. You will report to work.”
2026-05-01 · This Week in Startups · Can an AI Agent Legally Own a Company? Christian van der Henst's Wild Experiment| E2283 · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Bunch of little self-worth, the Amazon issue was a little more nuanced. I think Amazon was considered perplexity was going to release features that would track prices, scrape the website, use the data for reinforcement learning. But the truth is, right, Alexi, you're not going to know you're talking to an agent in most cases. This experiment in Stockholm, if you scroll down, you'll see this is an actual real-world cafe run by an agent. And it's got a problem because it orders things incorrectly. So it ordered like 50 cans of cooking oil, whatever. And they started making fun of it by putting its mistakes on the board there. So they're publicly shaming the manager of this one, but it also hired apparently one of the people who works in the cafe. So it was able to, in terms of hiring Fabrista, I guess, go to a website, post a job, interview people, and then place them. So this is, yeah, she posts.”
2026-05-01 · This Week in Startups · Can an AI Agent Legally Own a Company? Christian van der Henst's Wild Experiment| E2283 · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source