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  1. Well, thank you. And by the way, every conversation like this we trade just as much. For anyone that's empathetic, which you seem to be, you trade just as much. This is the beauty. You and I were both August 1992 from very different backgrounds, and yet we can still sit around table and Go, man, I know. The feelings of what you've gone through, even though you and I are very different people. And I think that's the beauty of it. That's the beauty of that connection I've been talking about. I think empathy is the currency of all this stuff. And you've asked some really wonderful questions, and I'm glad that I was able to answer in a way that hopefully brought out something. But thank you again. Thank you for having me. That was really wonderful.

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  2. Yeah. And if I was a grandfather, I would take all of my cash and and converted into some sort of gold doubloon, and I would bury that shit I'm not telling you where. But I would send them on the greatest treasure hunt ever. I mean, really give them one thing that they said, Grandpa was sink. What a story he gave us, you know, Goony style. I want to be the guy that sends his grandkids. I'm like, oh, Grandpa Cole was just insane, man. But man, he was a wacky guy. He found the treasure. I wouldn't make it too hard, you know, but I want them to go someplace.

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  3. Make sure that they were okay. Try and make sure and sure That whatever I could do is my last action would create more easiness for them. Life is going to roll over you regardless, regardless of how easy you've had it. I would try to have one last thing said or done that helped them in the future.

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  4. My brother and I have made it this far and have been as okay as we have become. Because we did not feel Lone We always had each other as a frame of reference to grow up and alongside. And I think I'm incredibly privileged for that. And he is too. We thankfully got to go through everything we went through alongside each other, and I think that's built him into the exact kind of person he's supposed to be and me as well. And I really am living my life now in a place where I don't look back with regrets or anger or pain or anything like that. So I don't know. I'd probably kick his ass, honestly, if I'm thinking about it now. I'd probably smile at myself and then beat the hell out of Dyl I'd have reach advantage and stuff too. It'd be great just throwing by his legs like Bowser.

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  5. and as far as you can, and anything that takes them away from that presentedness should be the enemy of the Your life in that child's life.

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  6. It's funny, I was thinking about writing that in this journal. What would you say to your child himself? That's funny. This kid um Is me on the left I wouldn't want to condition this kid at all. I see a kid that's like so present in this moment. And I've had this dilemma because I have some step siblings. And I find myself wanting to ask them, like, hey, you've been thinking about college. Hey, what are you thinking about in the future? I think I'd probably just talk to this kid about hippos or platypus or something, some fun shit, you know, Pokemon, whatever it was. I don't think it's. To Put the future or past tense thinking of an adult onto a child. And I think it's your responsibility as an adult who loves a child to encourage that lantern consciousness and that presentedness for as long as you can.

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  7. This is a study. For sure. Good job, Pop. You're at the exact place you need to be right when you are supposed to be there. And whatever happens in the following years are all. Lessons that you need to take. for the future of your life. Every step of the way you've been exactly where you're supposed to be for sure.

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  8. That's my father. And that could be my brother or myself. I have no idea. What are the words that are not said to that individual? You are at the exact place that you were supposed to be right when you were supposed to be there. Father was 27 when he had two identical twin boys. That's big. You know, I'm thirty. I can't imagine having two identical twins. Sorry to expose you, property. I immediately got a vasectomy right after he found out he was having two twins. I just find that hilarious. That's my favorite story about him. He was in Italy at the time. I'd say, man, what is your hair routine? It's looking great.

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  9. Yeah, dude, I crafted a little necklace. I was a silversmith for about a year and I tried that shit out and it went really well. And I think people are going to try and gatekeep you, but I think what I mean is that you're always going to have to fight against some sort of label, regardless of what it is. And if there's a bouncer at the door gatekeeping you from getting inside the club, guarantee you that there's a fucking side entrance. Guarantee you. And you got to fight your way to get there, man. I'm a firm believer in that. And you have to also recognize the kind of... That are being put on you, but I think you always got to fight for yourself. If you don't fight for yourself legitimately, no one else is going to.

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  10. The label thing can be difficult, but I think it's useless to think like that. I think anyone that goes, wow, this. Anything outside of human is silly. And I know this sounds a bit woo-woo and pretentious because it does be like, don't label me. But I think it's true. I don't think in terms of labeling is useful in the slightest, in the slightest. And I would like to think at the end of all of our lives, we've surrounded ourselves with a rich enough body of experience to go, yeah, man, I tried blacksmithing for a period of time

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  11. In very many ways, a child star is what I'm called quite often. Okay, but dude, I mean, look, anyone that doesn't think outside of terms of labels, that's just a useless to me. I gotta be real. Like, anyone that cannot find a deeper humanity in whatever kind of person they're sitting across at a table is probably a pretty useless person to talk to, in my opinion. I think labels can be difficult and also helpful in very many ways. Let's say you're a lawyer. Yeah, man, make that money on that label. Sure. Make that money on that label. And then surround yourself with the people that don't see you as, this is my lawyer friend. You know? Because you don't need that many people. You need a roundtable of people that are going to be like, yeah, that's Cole. Cool. Wow. What a Renaissance human that guy is. You know, that's what you really want people to say, oh man, what a good person that person is. You know, that's great.

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  12. This or don't do, don't talk about that. Don't do this. People love gatekeeping, which is so funny because the idea that we have to be like these incredibly specialized needle fine kind of people is ridiculous. You know, I try everything, go into it boldly, but you got to believe in your success. And you have to take accountability.

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  13. I think it is. Absurd to pursue comfort. Absurd in anything you do. I think at some point or another, when your hands are on the wheel in this car with the sat nav, you're going to have to fucking drive. And if the sat nav goes out, mm. Okay, man, you're still behind the wheel driving a fucking vehicle. I think you also have to really strongly believe in yourself, really strongly believe in yourself. Because there's a lot of things that people love gatekeeping shit. It's crazy. Everyone loves it, especially on the internet. They love gatekeeping. It's like the first thing you're going to interact with when you jump into something new. People are going to go, not that guy.

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  14. Exposure If you're exposed to be a fraudster, Yeah, if you're exposed to be a sort of snake oil salesman, that can be quite embarrassing. Inauthenticity can also get you into a place where you actually don't have the skill set to perform whatever you're trying to perform. But I also think inauthenticity or feelings of inauthenticity are a natural part of courage. You're going to doubt yourself a little bit before you go into anything. And I don't know. I always find... My most effective means of surviving anything is just kind of being thrown into the fire and being like, all right, I'm here. What are we doing? Let's go.

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  15. I think I am practicing authenticity in very many ways. How could I be more authentically me? Stand on my ground, set my boundaries, you know, recognizing my own bottom line behaviors before I stumble into that shit.

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  16. Be a petri dish for mistake that you're supposed to learn lessons from and go into your 30s and be better at. And I don't know. I think I am practicing authenticity in a way, but I think it's complicated because I don't know if a life in entertainment people actually seek authenticity, which is something I'm dealing with. And I think for acting, it's also a real dilemma because the more you show an authentic version of yourself, the harder it can be for people to suspend that and see you as a character, which is something I'm sort of sitting down and having a conversation with myself about. But I'm not going to control what other people think, you know, and I think...

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  17. How could I be more authentically you? I mean, I think stuff more like this. I got to be less afraid of people going, wow. He said what? I just don't care anymore. I'm like, I'm thirty. I lived a lot of that anxiety shit in my 20s. And I truly believe that your 20s are meant.

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  18. You become afraid of Your own soul being too disconnected from everything around you or that you feel so entirely alone or unique No one else really understands you as a hard thing. So when you go into therapy as an example and someone goes, yeah, dude, I hear you. Know, but then if the fucking alarm rings and they go, you're hours up, okay? That to me, that's disconnection. That's disconnection because then it feels like a monetary exchange. I'm like, I don't want that. All right.

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  19. Oh I also think look We just want to be heard, man. We look for soul. We all look for soul in other people. We want to know that soul exists. We want to justify our soul by looking for soul in other people. And when you find people with soul, you want to hang on to people with soul. That's what we do. You know, and I think when you're bearing your soul, especially in a sort of therapy environment, you want someone to pick it up and go, God, I see this thing, man? Yeah, I see it. I did something like this. So, I mean, for me it took me a while finding a therapist that was willing to be hands on. There's this sort of Hands off approach to a lot of. Mental health work just in general, and I just can't do that, man. I need someone like, you know, in a sort of similar way to this as two people sitting down going, God, man, yeah, for sure.

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  20. Natural life 10,000 years ago. Oh man, look, I studied archaeology. You don't got to tell me that we become more disenfranchised over time because I know that shit.

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  21. You know, I find that really healthy thing for me to do, to sort of disconnect and leave and go into the woods and do all that sort of stuff. But I also think the other stuff is super valuable too. And I don't think there's any shame in talking about it. I think that's great.

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  22. I also think a good therapist is like, you know, your first house, like it arrives to you precisely when it's supposed to. Know because ultimately what we're all seeking, at least in therapy with the help of a trained professional, but it's a human connection to another person, you know, we all want our goodwill hunting. You know, we want to sit down and have someone who has a deeply enticing personal connection to you and goes, I hear you, man. I hear you. You're okay. Like, have you thought about it this way? And so I do find a lot of these kind of conversations can be inching close to that. And in that way, I'll say, I do think there are a ton of different forms of therapy You know, of self soothing, of methods, I find a tremendous therapy by going into the wilderness as an example.

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  23. Because it's all lessons because I made that mistake for a reason, and now I'll never do it again. And the fact that I even said that as an answer means I've already learned my lesson.

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  24. Exactly right Exactly right. Because sometimes meeting with other people makes others uncomfortable. Like they're, you know, especially as you grow older, some people are like, why'd you meet with that individual? But I think for me, I would have just been super. Super transparent about it and being like, hey, this is happening. And that's been a consequence of the work I've done as I've cleaned my life up. So I look back on that one day and I go, hey, man, the work you did should have told you that you could have been fully transparent with that, even if it made other people uncomfortable. And I probably would have done that different. But otherwise, I try not, I really try not to think like that.

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  25. Confusing. But if I could turn back and do it differently, I would be so transparent about that meeting over coffee to the affected individuals in order to be like, hey, I'm letting you know this is happening. I know that this is blah, blah, blah, but I just want to let you know with full transparency, this is what it is, blah, blah, blah. But otherwise, I try not to live like that.

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  26. Rochelle Hume If you could turn back the clock on one day this year and do it differently, what day would it be and why? I try not to live doing that too much, where I feel like I need to change something. But So I am sober I've been sober for about a year and some change, and it's been a wonderful thing in my life, but I have Thankfully had the self awareness to apologize to some people in my life in the past in a similar way that the card that you just pulled. And in order to protect another person's feelings, I did not tell them that I was going to be apologizing to an individual because I was afraid of the consequences of that face-to-face meeting. I know this is a little.

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  27. I answer this one. Yeah. This is by Tim Grover. This is what is your dark side? I think the dark side of myself is definitely the narcissistic side of myself that can come out when I am feeling super proud of something that I do. And I will oftentimes try to humble that. It'll get me seeking decadence. It'll get me seeking external stimulation from my environment and yearning for that, which is what every Stoic philosopher would be like, dude. Shut up. And I really relate to that. I think my worst side is the side that is seeking validation from other people rather than understanding and placing myself in my environment and going, wow, I'm so privileged to have what I have and where I'm at. That's

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  28. Not publicly. No. In fact, I've only done one other podcast. And these kind of public conversations are quite rare, which is why I love this medium so much. But I've thankfully, I've surrounded myself with individuals that are capable of all having these conversations and for really diving into what it is that makes us all feel alive. And I think truthfully, I think seekers of this kind of conversation find each other. It's weird. They really do. And you can see it in others' eyes. Like you can see people that love this shit in their eyes. And so I thankful, I mean, I host dinner parties and stuff and try and get as many people together to have these sort of conversations. And it can be a little bit awkward for the first time. What are we talking about? But that's incredibly enriching to me.

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  29. Yeah, that affects how you navigate everything in your life, your relationships, which is what we were talking about, friendships, blood, all that stuff. And my relationships were deeply affected by my upbringing, of course. My friendships were affected by my upbringing. My relationship to my family was affected by my upbringing. But at some point or another, you have to go, yeah, I'm on the right path. And even if it's not, I'll try and make the right path and I'll grow from it.

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  30. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, dude, this is also It should be said that The working child, a child that has worked since they were eight months old, you have to understand that that is a, not to sound like a fucking special snowflake as an identical twin. You know what I mean? Which is the greatest contradiction. That is a life. An upbringing that is very, very, very, very rare. Very rare. There's only a handful of people that have that really weird path through the world. Most of them are in the United States, and most of them, you know, the sensationalism of their upbringing is talked about all over. So that comes with a lot of bullshit. And it affects, to tie us all back, I'm getting us back.

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  31. I did because unfortunately as a consequence of being a working child you're forced into an authority position when you're quite small, right? Which is now you're the breadwinner of a family over the adults. So in very many ways you take this very strange role of authority and positioning when it comes to the subsistence of a nuclear family. So, when it does go wrong as a natural byproduct of the authority that you feel as a consequence of your professional life, you can adopt some of the blame on yourself, which I will say I do not do anymore.

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  32. You know, and going back to the previous question, I tried for very, very many years to try and do everything I could. But at some point or another it comes down to the individual, which is the hardest part. Like you want someone to change or do something. And this also goes to romance. This goes to friendships. This goes to blood, to whatever it is. You can really yearn for someone to do the right thing. And the hardest part is even if you set up the entire environment for them to do so, unless they choose it for themselves, it's just not going to happen. And so I used to blame myself quite a bit for not just my relationship to blood, but, you know, I used to blame myself for all of the relationships in my life going wrong until I realized that, yeah, in almost every relationship, it takes two to tango. Friendships, romance, blood, the other person has to be a participant in the dance just as much as you are participating in the dance in order for the outcome to be the one that you guys both desire.

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  33. I mean, I'm sure you've reconciled this as well, but there's a part of you that goes, oh, what if this is my last communication with an individual? Of course, you have. How would that make me feel as a consequence thereof

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  34. Of course. Everyone is. Everyone is sad about something that could, I mean, unless you're a sociopath, when something beautiful and lovely goes rotten, it can be a very sad thing And it does make me sad, but It's also life, and that's the lesson that I've had to learn from it, is that, you know, that sadness is okay. It means I'm human. It means I loved something outside of myself in a way that was so beautiful and so boundless that it makes me feel one of the strongest and most eternal of human emotions, which is sadness, like real sadness. And that's okay.

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  35. I don't I don't but She put me on this path, and there was once a woman who was very clear headed and who had a beautiful vision of the kind of people my brother and I could be. And in very many ways I honor. The dream she once had, so that if she were lucid enough to and came back and saw what I had become she would go Man, I was right, and in that way it would validate the entire life of pain and trauma that she has gone through.

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  36. Oh, I mean certainly my youth certainly my youth. I think growing up in building an entire life and business model off of the validation of other people certainly made me open to it, but I also think the first relationship I ever had with a female figure, which is the mother figure in everyone's life, was an incredibly tenuous and fractured relationship with a tortured individual which made me go, I can fix things. Don't worry, I got it, you know, you're all good. It's okay. And I brought that in. I brought that in a lot.

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  37. As long as they were happy, that's what love is, you know, is this sort of consistent happiness. And I was also actively suppressing my emotions and like not really discussing what I actually felt about a situation because I was afraid of retaliation in very many ways. I was afraid.

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  38. So much, man. I've had the pleasure of being in love three times the pleasure. I've had four times. I'd say three big relationships in my life Three girlfriends in my life. I mean, my first moment when I was like a kid, but that was just kind of puppy love stuff. And then I had one in college. I dated a co-star on Riverdale. And now I'm in love again. And Every time it has been pretty distinct, I think maybe the first two college and my last girlfriend were far more similar because of me, because I was still approaching it the same way. And then I did a lot of self-work, and I fell in love again. Thankfully, and it has taught me a lot. Like I mentioned, I was a people pleaser. I was deathly afraid of being perceived as anything other than perfect for a long time. And so I would roll over quite a bit in order to make sure that

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  39. I really don't like condescension. So like if I feel condescension in any sort of way, if I see other people being condescending to others, if I can sense a kind of pretentiousness or condescension, that's usually something that will either take me to leave the room or confront another person about it and be like, hey, why'd you do that?

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  40. And as I've loved myself now and thankfully, I'm in a relationship right now with a woman who's so emotionally understanding and just the best. And, you know, it helps when others can be like, yeah, dude, encourage you in the right direction and be like, yeah, it's okay. Because I know myself, I will fall back on like, are you all right? Like, is everything okay? Like trying to control a situation through making sure everyone is happy. You know, but it's not a fucking video game. You can't get the best solution where everyone is okay. Sometimes you're going to really have to polarize some people. And that's all right. My only boundaries, I would say, when it comes to... When it comes to my professional career or otherwise

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  41. That looked like rolling over in the face of a lot of adversity, especially when it came to romantic relationships. I was a people pleaser. I was a people pleaser professionally. I was a people pleaser romantically. I was practically a fucking nurse to whoever needed my help in very many ways, likely as a byproduct of my upbringing. But what that meant was oftentimes crossing my own boundaries as an attempt to make others feel better. And as I've gotten older, I've become more okay with turning people off, which is all right. You know, you're going to polarize individuals. You are going to get along with certain people and not get along with other people. That's totally okay. And I think as I've aged, I've tried to. I've tried to remind myself, yeah, that was an awkward experience.

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  42. Well, that's a great question, and one I'm far more qualified to answer now than I was even two years, three years ago. I can honest to God say that I did not love myself enough as a younger man, especially my mid to late twenties, for sure did not love myself enough, did not respect my own boundaries

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  43. But I'll take a break. That's honestly the most helpful thing I've done. I'll also try and remind myself of, you know, grounding myself in the senses, or I will remind myself that One, you're not the only person that's ever gone through anxiety or will ever go through anxiety. And two, the problem as you perceive it, the vastness of the problem as you perceive it is not the way other people perceive it.

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  44. Know I try to approach everything with a kind of logos that, you know, Allows me to think more clearly and calmly about what I do, which can be off-putting to some people because not a lot of people like being met With logos when they're heightened emotionally or being met with solutions when they're just trying to vent. It's one of the first things you learn when you're in a serious relationship. Especially as a guy

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  45. Well, that's flattering. Yeah, I try not to talk too much about mental health just in general. Because everyone has an incredibly personal relationship to it. And I feel like there's a lot of armchair experts on the internet right now acting like, you know, or diagnosing people or doing stuff like that, which I find, that is so atrocious. I can't believe people even do that. And I think the conversation around mental health, unless it's being done by truly a trained professional, is probably not the greatest thing to listen to. So with that disclaimer, I will say whenever I'm feeling heightened emotionally, I will take a break from whatever I am doing. I will truly walk away from whatever I am doing. I will tell if it is an argument with someone I will go, hey. Right now I'm feeling some heightened emotion. If you don't mind, let's pick up this conversation about twenty minutes. Give yourself time.

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  46. Yeah, it's all the Eastern philosophers and the Buddhists were trying to tell you to do this shit the whole time, meditate, ground yourself in the present, you know, grounding yourself in the present is the greatest enemy of anxiety.

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  47. Well, I went to therapy. I've gone to therapy often on my whole life. But he was a wonderful man up in Vancouver that taught me the sort of grounding techniques. And he's right. But I mean, it can be a therapist. It can be a father figure. It can be anyone that teaches you. Essentially, the root of it is be present, ground yourself.

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  48. What can I hear? Can I taste anything? What do I feel on my skin? And it immediately grounds me in the present. These things are grounding mechanisms that I really enjoy when I start to feel social anxiety.

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  49. My social anxiety feels a lot like sitting in a sauna when it's just a bit too hot. Like the sauna right before you have to get out. You know what I mean? It's like this warm sort of blanketing feeling, but it's not warm. It's fucking hot. But it's a blanket over me for sure. And it's this kind of... For me, anxiety is really present, even though I'm thinking about future possibility or past actions that I've made, it is a consistent I'm living in this. I'm living in this. I'm living in this. I'm living in this. I'm living in this. And so in that way, it's almost blanketed over me. And what I'll do for that anxiety is I will activate my five senses. What do I see Do

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  50. And even if you don't like the individual, let's say you see someone that you really don't like the work of or you don't like the persona of going up and asking them a question is probably going to yield so much more to you than the alternative. But we want to show everything on Instagram and social media and TikTok and whatever it is because we want. Know we're all creatures of validation. We want to see the likes and the whatever the fuck it is. And I've done it too. I'm not saying I haven't done it. You know, I've taken a picture or tried to take a picture of John C. Riley, who I really admire. There's a lot of people that I deeply admire. But if I were given the choice between asking them compelling question and taking a photo, I would probably choose the compelling question for sure.

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