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Craig Newmark

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first: 2018-07-09
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“Well, the deal is I talk with him, I work quietly with the big dot coms, although again Jeff is the guy to really make things happen. And I feel that they're consistently moving in a better direction. It's kind of like they're asking for directions. Which is sometimes hard to get a human to do. And I see that happening. And, you know, before the events of November 2016, journalism and democracy were slowly drifting into a bad place, kind of like the frog slowly boiling in water. Well, we got a wake up call And I think people across the world, particularly Americans and journalism, are standing up and are doing remarkable things. And I'm sure that I see that. I mean, like any human, I might be fooling myself. We like to fool ourselves. We're good at it.”
2018-07-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Craigslist founder Craig Newmark · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“All right, so what is next for you at $20 million is a lot of money, more $20 million donations all around the world? How do you get others in Silicon Valley? I think Facebook should just pay for all of local news. That's what I think. I think they've ruined local news and should now pay for it.”
2018-07-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Craigslist founder Craig Newmark · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, don't provide loudspeakers for liars whoever they are. You know, somebody's lying to just don't repeat the lies.”
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“They focus on real stuff happening to make things better. We do need more people, Madison Hell. And I've seen some signs at Anderson Cooper is getting tired of the lying. The break, I think, will come when more and more people read some of the best writing of the last week or so on this, like that Dan Gilmore piece saying,”
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“Well, I see this ecosystem developing. I see people getting more optimistic and feistier, like I read all the newsletters that come out of Politico and Axios and Brian Stelters out of CNN. And I do see indications of things getting better.”
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“There's other people who are taking a look. First draft is providing the means where people can help each other do some of these fact-checks. So we have an ecosystem emerging Now, I'm not a journalism professional. I don't want to tell anyone how to do their business because I think that a reporter has to do something like writing a news story every day to deadline. I can barely write 500 works the deadline. So what I've done is found professionals a lot of them centered at the Sudha University of New York Journalism School and I can rely on people who know what they're talking about. Because, you know,”
2018-07-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Craigslist founder Craig Newmark · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“On every level I used to think that crowdsourcing of trustworthiness could be a thing. I have backed off from that. The deal is trustworthiness. Well, you start with commitment, at least a verbal commitment. That's the trust project stuff. A news outlet, if you want to think of it as a trustworthy, they should start by saying we're trustworthy. And then you do the Reagan-esque thing, trust but verify. That's what the International Fact-Checking Network is about.”
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“Right, right. So not letting, you know, I did an interview with Mark Zuckerberg, and I'm going to be talking more in the future, but one of the things he really does want to shy away, he said, I don't want to sit at my desk in California and make decisions about these things. And one of their solutions was to crowdsource what's good, which I find disturbing on every level. I know the New York Times is good. I don't need a crowd. You don't want a crowd to be voting up and down and likes and dislikes. It seems so open to gaming.”
2018-07-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Craigslist founder Craig Newmark · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We don't want informational power to be concentrated And the way to do that is to create networks of networks of people who know what they're doing and who show you how they do it. So if you want to challenge it, then you can challenge it. I want big networks of networks with some redundancy because even in the US, journalists are under siege to some extent. There are big problems with harassment, death threats are worse, that kind of thing. And I'm talking with parties, including Wikipedia, as to how to journalists protect themselves here, both informationally, reputationally. And in other countries, how journalists protect themselves physically because journalists are getting killed, that's not right.”
2018-07-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Craigslist founder Craig Newmark · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Correct. Because I think it's unfair to concentrate that much power in one place An arbiter of truth gets to shape the reality that its users perceive.”
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“I disagree with that. The idea is that the news reader chooses only do I want to see stuff which is probably trustworthy. Do I want to see stuff that's probably not trustworthy? Oversimplifying for discussion, but the idea is that oh, the user chooses what kinds of stuff they see, the platform relies on other parties to work on this, like the International Fact Checking Network, like first draft out of the Schurrenseen Center, like the Tech and Czech people out of Duke University, they also may involve some AI stuff like the work being done at FecMata. And there I gotta disclose I'm a token investor.”
2018-07-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Craigslist founder Craig Newmark · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I might choose to see items like that. I might choose to say, hey, if something comes in from a news outlet, which gets it wrong a lot, I want to choose not to see that”
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“I don't want any of them to become an arbiter of truth. I want them to use professionals to try to figure out what might be trustworthy and what's not. For example, I'd like a news outlet to Oh, to subscribe to the Trust Project principles, maybe to the work being done by the credibility coalition, I'd like them to work with the investigators who are tracking patterns of both disinformation and harassment. They're usually the same. And I want to get summary fact-check records. That is, if a news feed encounters an incoming chunk of news. And it can't really do fact checking in real time, but if it knows that that news outlet has a track record for generally being right and then fixing what got wrong, then I might want to see that one.”
2018-07-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Craigslist founder Craig Newmark · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What has to happen among these tech companies? I mean, for example, just recently I was arguing with someone at one of the big tech companies around these kids in Texas, and they're like, what do you want us to do? Wade in every time? I'm like, I kind of do. I think your employees want you to do it. I think you shouldn't be doing business when this is happening with them. I have an opinion about this. You may not want to do that, but...”
2018-07-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Craigslist founder Craig Newmark · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What I'm doing again is quietly going through a back channels, trying to nudge ahead progress. I don't have the eloquence or persuasive abilities To make things happen with any speed, I just nudge and then I keep nudging and nudging further. Hopefully that provides some atmosphere.”
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“Slow is sometimes accurate. I could only speak for myself and reflect that in some respects I was kind of a dumbass about it. Got an education quickly and I am one of those humans who will ask for a direction, but in my specific case also, remember that in two thousand, I gave up all management involvement. In Craigslist. The idea, again, is that tech founders, just like ordinary humans, sometimes there's a problem and humans are good at being in denial about something. And then sometimes humans are remiss in asking for directions”
2018-07-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Craigslist founder Craig Newmark · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“All right, so but they have, do you imagine techies as a tech founder that you did think of the repercussions of your inventions? I think they didn't think of them at all and were slow to understand them. I'm being polite when I say slow”
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“But the idea is that people are working on limited AI to try to detect problems. The companies are hiring people to try to detect problems. They're serious, but these are really, really hard problems. And people are thinking about it. Me, I have a feeling that verified identities will help with some of this because a verified identity can hold a bad actor or can help to hold a bad actor accountable for something. The problem is that we always need anonymity for people like dissidents or, well, people who've just escaped to a shelter, that kind of thing. This is ramifications that one I need to know more about. I talk to Dana Boyd. And often I do that in the context of the CUNY graduate journalism school. That's a big convening place for all this happening”
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“My point. I do see things being fixed. I also know how difficult these problems are because sometimes if a bad actor is running a long con It takes, you know, serious law enforcement skills sometimes to understand when a long con is in place. And I don't know if AI will be smart enough to do that in our lifetimes. If it does become that smart, I for one welcome our machine overlords”
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“All right, so you don't feel that you think they've broken things almost irreparably and are not taking responsibility for fixing it at all. I don't know if it's, I actually don't know if it's fixable in terms of how it's changed, how people take in in information. I look at Twitter every day and see it not cleaned up in the way that you're talking about. I see Facebook continuing to drag its feet on very important things. Now I'm hoping a lot for the next election, but you can't say you broke something and oh well it's not Do you know you get my point?”
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“Yeah, I'm not good at side channels, frankly. I'm a nerd I've seen Jeff Jarvis do a great deal of good through these, and I'm doing whatever I can to give him.”
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“And it takes a while for us to really realize it, for to grow out of denial. You know, that's basically human. Naturally, we try to handle it ourselves. We try two or three times, and for paying attention we may realize that our first attempt And then we get help, and then we wind up on the road to solution. So I think that Facebook, Google, and Twitter are moving ahead pretty well in that regards. And I'm impressed with the turnaround that I've seen looking through side channels.”
2018-07-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Craigslist founder Craig Newmark · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I can only address something from the perspective of a technology founder that is You know, you produce a really good product. You give it away mostly free. You're hoping to make a comfortable living. And something engineers are not prepared for are how people can abuse the system”
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“One so small that I don't know if anyone has been able to measure it with all the effects that the big guys had. Right. So I don't really know if Craigslist had that substantial effect. And at this point my focus is on doing what I can to restore trustworthiness stuff. Right, absolutely. I got that.”
2018-07-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Craigslist founder Craig Newmark · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, yes. I have to challenge the premise there. Please do. I've looked at the last 60 years of newspaper circulation and revenue, down. Down, down, down due to TV news, as people say. Around 2008 got hammered even worse by the big dot coms. I think Craigslist played a small role in that.”
2018-07-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Craigslist founder Craig Newmark · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“This would be an extreme case. But if you were to take one of those reporters to report regularly on the Washington School Board, you might actually do more good that way. Local news matters. Right.”
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“Gets reinforced, said If you, yeah, if you give airtime or perhaps space and print, It reinforces the lie. Now, some people are good at debunking it in real time. Not many So this idea of strategic silence, just not going along. That might be the answer. I think it's a J. Rosen, Who says replace the White House press corps with interns if oh if something important happens, but otherwise take those highly professional journalists and get them to report real news.”
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“You may be right But we can't let fear paralyze us. This year is pivotal for the country. It could be pivotal for the world and the species, and it's time for people of goodwill to stand up, maybe make some mistakes, but to do this. I mean, remember, I talk to a lot of vets. And they stood up to defend the country in the way they knew. I came of age during Vietnam Vietnam vet to tell me that wasn't my fight. They tell me this is my fight.”
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“But if people don't hear them, and if the networks of disinformation are disrupted, then If the bad stuff cannot crowd out honest reporting There's hope, and I have chosen to be hopeful, to put my money where my mouth is. I get you.”
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“And then getting tired of all the lying may get them, I'm hoping, to apply this. Which means that Florida and Gilmore says, you don't give a loud speaker for liars. And if that starts happening, I think that would dramatically clear up the landscape.”
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“But how do you look at that landscape? Well, I draw some hope from those services like Politifact or the guy at the post, I think it's Eric Wimple, who are just carefully documenting lies. And doing that, just getting some recognition of it helps people but I'm more interested in dealing with that landscape and an idea I've heard from Dana Boyd is that of strategic silence And then I've read in the last week or two how a number of reporters Brian Stelter and others, they're just saying that they're tired of all the lying And they started to challenge people in the White House press room”
2018-07-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Craigslist founder Craig Newmark · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There's a whole bunch of things happening at once. On the optimistic side, I keep getting approached quietly by people at a whole range of news outlets. Even unexpected ones, people who want to do straight ethical reporting, even if their boss won't want them to do that. And so I see a lot of hope for things. People are seeing these mechanisms, this ecosystem of trustworthy journalism. And people are pretty optimistic about it. The deal is just to How one part of the problem is to get everyone to work together? and then to find those organizations which might not have enough funding.”
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“They're having a big meeting in Rome right now. And it looks like lots of progress is being made in fact checking. Bill Adair helping fund out in the Duke University, they're trying to build the means for fact checkers to work together. First draft.”
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“So, if a news outlet wants me to trust it and maybe pay for it, they have to behave in a trustworthy way. That's the start of things there. Then the idea is to fund a lot of operational work. Fact checking is a big part of this. And a lot of it goes around the international fact-checking network, which is a network of networks with a common code, meaning that if you're going to do a fact-check, you have to publish Oh, your material showing how you got there.”
2018-07-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Craigslist founder Craig Newmark · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But just every day, I started in a way trying to figure out what I, as a news consumer. I want to find news I can trust. And what does that mean? And that's been helped by the folks at the trust project, at the Marcilla Center for Applied Ethics at Santa Clara, and in my simplified, not a journalist perspective, I want news organizations to listen to different kinds of people. Regardless of politics or ethnicity or whatever, I want news outlets to have codes of ethics which say things like Don't make stuff up and I want news outlets. When they do make a mistake because that's going to happen, that they fix it in a serious way. Now Sally Lerman, who runs this, has more trust indicators, but I'm somewhat simple-minded, and I'm very aware that I'm not a news professional, and I'm not telling anyone how to do their job. Right.”
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“Basically, they explained how they work, how their funding works. They showed me something, I guess I already knew, that they're providing good education in journalism to people who might never otherwise get a break. And also, again, they're at that epicenter of restoring a lot of trust to journalism everywhere.”
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“Aye have not. It goes basically into what I think of as an endowment, providing funding in an environment where funding is shrinking and it's all pretty scary. And that's scaring a number of ways because across America people who might need opportunity are being denied that.”
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“Some of the best work is being done again in Manhattan at Columbia, Gendana's team, NYU. You go north and again Shurrensteen Center. In our area there's a Berkeley and things are happening there. So, the idea is that I can learn enough, I can get help from folks at Ford Foundation, at Oh, Jennifer Preston, at the Knight Foundation. I can get the help I need, and then it becomes time having identified good organizations to put my money where my mouth is. CUNY again, the CUNY Graduate School Journalism is a great place to do that because they provide a good opportunity for people who might never get.”
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“It's about diversity. It's about giving people the opportunity to get a really quality education, quality journalism. At a much lower price than they would get everywhere. The idea. Fairness, opportunity, and respect this is a way of putting it into practice. And that's something I believe in in a big way.”
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“But I think we not only need to work in the here and now, but we need to work in the near term. Hence, we need a lot of good, well-educated journalists. And given my, well, given the way I believe in things, of sharing, well, fairness opportunities.”
2018-07-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Craigslist founder Craig Newmark · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, what I'm trying to do in the here and now is support a lot of people doing mission critical work in journalism. For example, there's ProPublica, which is a great example of trustworthy journalism. I'm also supporting a whole bunch of groups who are focusing on analyzing disinformation in order to counter it. Like Dana Boyd's group, Data and Society. A whole bunch of things. There's a tow center. Oh, there's folks even in Indiana that I'm talking to, they're the folks at first draft at Shorenstein Center. So, the idea is that I've contributed over $20 million to a collection of groups looking at defending journalism and defending the country against bad actors, whether foreign or domestic.”
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“I don't know because we know that I was involved in these efforts in twenty sixteen, and I have no idea really how successful things were. I do know that this election is mission critical for American democracy.”
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“There was one, I think, in Wisconsin. And there's a number of places where voters really are at risk. There are states where the Secretary of State will just decide to arbitrarily unregister someone or if a registration. Well, just no, it's much worse than that. They may just receive auto registrations, and they may just forget to process them if they're there for the wrong party. And for example, I'm funding one effort, the point of which is to figure out who's registered at one point in time, then take a look at later and to see if anyone has mysteriously dropped out, particularly without notice.”
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“When Mueller indicted those Russian groups, he specifically said they were trying to suppress the vote. So to have a fair election or a not very unfair election, people of goodwill need to help out the people who know what they're doing.”
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“And yet, a lot of bad actors in politics have said that part of their strategy is to stop people from voting that they don't like. That means I got to stand up and help the groups who are doing a good job fighting those bad actors. That includes the Brennan Center for Law, Vorolatino, Dimos. The deal is that even the Russians have gotten in on the game.”
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“Voter protection ordeal is that Well, everyone in our country, who's a algebra vote, should have they should be able to vote without much hassle.”
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“Well, so for example, I support girls who code And I'll talk to a Rashma Sojani about how I can help without being stupid about it. I prefer to limit my stupidity to other areas, and I succeed. And I work with women who tech, that's Allison Capin, and I just talk to, let's say, there is women's hacker groups at the University of San Francisco and my alma mater K Stech. So I've provided support to them for things including scholarships for the Grace Murray Hopper conferences. All right.”
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“I'm interested in helping out in women in tech because I remind myself that our country is supposed to be about fairness, opportunity, and respect, and I should practice what I preach. And like in Jersey, we say I should put my money where my mouth is. So what I'm doing in my ignorance is finding groups that do really good for women in tech, supporting them, getting educated by them because I'd like to avoid mansplaining.”
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“Mine is small. And right now the only person full time on it is me You know, I get help from comms people and lawyer and a controller. And I'm trying to design it, so I have a narrow focus of specialty areas priorities. And the idea is to be able to turn around a grant proposal fast.”
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“Well, what I've done is worked with CFPB and consumer reports on that subject. Also another subject of that and part of philanthropy, I am thinking if you want to thank Yvette, You help them get their kids a good education. So donors choose for military families. We're just concluding that now. I don't think the final numbers have come out, but we've helped out at least 100,000 military kids.”
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