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Danny Hillis

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“So I understand that, but I also understand that, like, when I was a kid, we were taught to hide under our desk for when the atomic bomb was going to get dropped. And thinking even as a kid, like, this isn't going to work. I mean, I knew people who died of smallpox. That disease doesn't exist anymore. When I was a kid, most other kids were hungry.”
2024-12-11 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #782: Legendary Inventor Danny Hillis (Plus Kevin Kelly) — Unorthodox Lessons from 400+ Patents, Solving the Impossible, Real Al vs. “AI”, Hiring Richard Feynman, Working with Steve Jobs, Creating Parallel Computing, and Much More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, no, no, no. Definitely. We're in this transitional phase. You know, we still got a lot of monkey in this. And I'm really excited by that thing that we're going to become.”
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“This is related to the transition thing, but I think humans, as we know them today, are kind of halfway between monkeys and what we're going to become. You know, we've still got a lot of monkey in this.”
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“And also, I would absolutely agree with what Kevin said, but I'd take it one step further, which is even if we unbundled human intelligence and did all of those things, there's still more to intelligence than that. There's other kinds of intelligence that we can't even imagine. And actually, those are the ones I'm most interested in, because I said I always like hanging out with people who are much smarter than I am. I would love hanging out with machines that are much smarter than people. But smart in different ways.”
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“Think that's fair, except maybe it's actually quite possible we'll never understand what intelligence is because there was sort of part of the prediction of the songs of Eden papers, it may be easier to actually make intelligence than understand intelligence.”
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“I think they're overestimating the capabilities of what we have now, but underestimating what we'll be able to accomplish over the long run. And it's interesting. I think that people get mixed up on time scales a lot. In general, I'm kind of a short-term pessimist and a long-term optimist. I think that probably applies to AI as much as anything.”
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“Is to make it work. So I do think AI is going to happen pretty fast just because we have so many smart people working on it.”
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“Kind of a good first step. That's what my granddaughters do first. I have a granddaughter that can sit and talk to an electrician as if she knows what electricity is, just by using the right words and saying phrases that she's heard before and so on. She can kind of fake it pretty well, but she has no idea what she's talking about. And that's kind of mostly where AI is right at this moment. I mean, you know, it'll be at a different place. A year from now and, you know, starting people understand that and putting in different places. But this is one little part of intelligence. It's a good start, but it's not going to do all of the things that we do that we consider intelligence until people come up with some other ideas. But people will come up with other ideas. The other big change is we got a lot more smart people working on it than we ever had before. So those are the people that are going to come up with all those other ideas.”
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“Now, it turns out that those neural networks had to be much, much bigger than we were guessing, way bigger than we were guessing. And you had to train them. At least so far we've only known how to train them with way more data than we were imagining training them with and so on. But sure enough, that box has now gotten built. That's what we call AI right now, is that little box in intelligence. And it's actually really good at kind of imitating human intelligence and imitating is.”
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“That came later, but that's yeah. The things that were hard for us, we thought that's intelligence. And that was the stuff that early AI concentrated on. Actually, it turns out that was really the easy part. The hard part was the stuff that was we were so good at we didn't even notice like recognizing a face, jumping to a conclusion, having an intuition about something. You know, those things were way, way harder. So we thought producing speech would be hard. We didn't think listening would be hard because we just did that without apparent effort. But listening to speech turned out to be way harder than producing speech. In the early days, there was always a box called, you know, sometimes the neural network, the pattern recognizer that was sort of was going to guess the obvious thing that was going to happen next and recognize the pattern. And we thought that was going to be the easy part because it was just going to be some neural networks that got trained.”
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“So, intelligence is a very complicated, multi factored thing like life. Not just one thing. And the beginnings of AI, we thought the things that were hard for us to do were the intelligence. Like we thought playing chess would be intelligent or solving calculus tests would be intelligence.”
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“Yeah. But I think when people look back at history, even really our lifetimes, I mean, over my lifetime, the population is more than doubled. The climate has changed. The computers have come out. Everything is really very, very different in a way that that's never happened before. The population hasn't doubled in a single lifetime before, and I don't think it will. So I think we are at a special moment where our sort of technological powers have gotten enough to make these things that are more complicated than we can understand. And that's kind of a qualitative change. We weren't building stuff that was more complicated than we understood before”
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“I think there's also something very special about this instant in time. And by this incident in time, I mean plus or minus a century.”
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“Yeah, I think one of the people that really got me thinking about that entanglement. And that book is probably a lot of what got me thinking about these ideas and artificial life got me thinking about it.”
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“Really, why this makes good beer and this makes bad beer, or this makes champagne. But we started knowing when we do this, it does that. And that's kind of becoming our relationship with computers. So I think that what's happening is the distinction between the natural and the artificial is becoming entangled. And that idea may just kind of go away. So they're sort of almost is no pure nature and they're almost is no pure technology that we fully understand, at least not in the technology that we're using to have this conversation. For example, there is nobody who understands every piece of it.”
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“And controlled and designed are actually kind of evolved and having like the internet. Nobody can draw you a wiring diagram of the internet. Nobody can really tell you how ChatGPT came to that conclusion. I mean, they could sort of make up a story about it, but they can't, they don't really understand it in the way that you used to understand a computer when they produced an answer because it wasn't really designed. It was kind of a combination of design and evolved and learned. So what's happening is that a lot of people's use of computers is now they kind of know the magic incantations that cause this library for you to do that, but they don't really know like all the things they're going on underneath that to make it work. And so it's becoming more like nature. Nature, we used to kind of know, well, here's, you know, the magic incantations we use for making beer. We don't know.”
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“One of the things that I've noticed about the world is it used to be that nature and technology were very different things. Technology was something that we designed and we understood and we controlled. Nature was this mysterious, complicated thing that we didn't understand at all and pretty much had to take and work around and kind of riff with, but those two things are becoming entangled in sort of both directions. So things that used to be natural, like the atmosphere or our genes or our minds or my knee joint are now technological artifacts, right? And the things that used to be technological”
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“No, I think I was always kind of on the edge of failing in some sense. And, you know, many times I did, but it still worked out. And so I think I probably worried more than I needed to because it always seemed like, oh, this is pretty dangerous. Or, you know, I'm going to be penniless. Or, you know, there were times when I was penniless. I couldn't pay my mortgage. So I think I worried way too much. I worry less now.”
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“Don't work on things that are going to happen anyway. I still think hanging out with extraordinary people is the right thing, but there's an interesting problem with that, which I've realized, which is I tended to hang out with a lot of people that were older than iOS because of that, because they sort of established themselves as extraordinary. And of course, that has been very sad to see so many of my friends die and so on. So I'm actually very curious. I'm sure that there's a whole generation of younger, extraordinary people that I haven't met yet. And that's something I'd love to do is meet some of those unusual people that are thinking about things differently and learn from them. So that's kind of part of my agenda these days.”
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“We were building the fastest computer, and everything was going great. We just did a bunch of dumb things in how we set the business that we didn't pay enough attention to laws that were getting passed by our competitors in Congress that were making it illegal to export our products or making it hard for people to acquire our products. We were just blindsided by that. We did stupid stuff. growing up, up, up. So it didn't occur to us that we might have something might cause a downturn and we might not have enough cash in the bank. And now going back, we just managed a bad life. It's sad because it was a terrible moment for me. I felt like I had let down all of these people. And I had let them down.”
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“Well, I mean, I think that thinking machines was my first big failure because if I had asked that financial sustainability question really treated that as a problem of serious thought like I was thinking about the machine, would have done a much better job. That company didn't have to fail. It was awful when it did.”
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“I wish I had a lot more time ahead of me. So right now time seems like the most precious thing to me. You start realizing how much of it you squandered.”
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“Was a wonderful thing. I think Dick Feynman was really inspirational in that of he really admitted when he didn't understand something and he'd like, well, wait a minute, like, what's a one and a zero? You sort of have to back up and sort of explain that, and you never really thought about it before, but digital computers need to disambiguate. So they force everything to be the one or zero. If it's in between, you know, they force it one way or the other. That's what digital means, right? You don't put up with any in-betweens. You push it into a category of one or zero, and then you build it up from there. But you start thinking about that. Nobody ever really asked me that before when I was teaching them computers. And so, you know, Dick was always saying that he doesn't understand something unless he can derive it from first principles. So watching him do that in other fields, I realized, well, you know, I don't really understand.”
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“Yeah, exactly. You can back up. Instead of reminding me, I saw this happen in college was I had a math professor named John Coloroda. And he was at the Blackboard once and he's writing along. And he says, so you can see that it's obvious that this is true. And he stops. And he sits there for a long time. It felt like 10 minutes or something. We're all just like waiting. It's like, yes, it's obvious. He goes on. But I think that's one thing that you realize about teaching is how much you don't know, like, you know, what that depends on.”
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“We did, but it was interesting for me. Like sometimes I would sit down to teach something that I thought was really simple. And then as I started teaching it, I realized, well, actually, this isn't so simple. There's like this other thing underneath it, another thing underneath. So I was actually not such a great teacher necessarily.”
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“I was like, what's science fiction? And it was like a juvenile science fiction book called The Wonderful Trip to the Mushroom Planet. But, you know, that was like brought me into this whole other world. But it's a great teachers are like that. They kind of see where you are and they stretch you to some place you can get to. That was wonderful. And you just have a lot more opportunity to do that in homeschooling than you do in a classroom.”
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“I taught them some things, but it definitely takes a village. So when I was a kid, I did bounce around all these schools. And I remember I had some great teachers. I had some really bad teachers too. And I remember sitting in school and thinking, I will never do this to my kids. And so I didn't. But when you had a great teacher, they would listen to where you were and stretch you a bit. You know, one of my favorite teachers was actually a woman named Mrs. Wilner. She was a librarian. And I was really interested in collecting rocks wherever I went. I would always go in and ask for books on rocks. And she said, okay, well, here's some books on rocks, but here's a book on electricity too. And I was like, whoa, this is, I never would have asked for a book on electricity, but she kind of led me there. And here's a science fiction book.”
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“First of all, I can't take personal credit for homeschooling. I mean, my wife did a lot and also we hired a bunch of tutors. We worked with a bunch of other homeschoolers.”
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“That may have come from my childhood because my childhood was, my father was an epidemiologist. So we live pretty much any place that was a hepatitis epidemic, which often came with a war and a famine too. So I lived in a lot of strange places around strange cultures. So you sort of had to mind shift into what are things like in the middle of the Congo or what are things like in Calcutta. So maybe that's how I sort of got that habit of being willing to shift my mind a bit.”
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“I don't know. Maybe not being afraid to learn new stuff. Some sense, maybe it's a superpower we're all born with. So maybe I kept a superpower that kids have, right? So kids, like they're not afraid to go in and see something new and strange and start playing with it. And then after a while, there's a lot of things in the world that that gets sort of beat out of you that you learn not to do that. you get told not to do that in lots of different ways. And I guess I was lucky enough to be around people that didn't beat it out of me.”
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“Clock without Jeff Bezos kind of seeing the vision and saying, yeah, I'm willing to step forward and do this. Those are rare people. So I guess I've been lucky that I've run into a bunch of those rare visionary people that are kind of willing to take a bet on me.”
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“Manager, or somebody who already has this idea and is trying to make it work and hasn't figured out how to make it work, which is what happened in this case. And actually, the doctor that I mentioned before was already working with a company that was starting to do this, but didn't really know how to make a work. And so they came to us for help. And we probably gave them more than they ever imagined that they wanted. And together we made it into a much bigger project. I think we're really going to make a real system. And if you solve a real problem, then that comes with actually an economic opportunity, which they'll be able to exploit. But it requires visionary funders who are willing to take risks and kind of like DARPA was for AI initially or later other people were for AI. I never would have been able to do the”
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“You change all of those things up at once, there's another equilibrium point, it's a nash equilibrium where there's another sweet spot of things working together in which many, many crops are grown much closer to where they're consumed. But you have to change a lot of things from the architecture of the greenhouses to the jobs of the workers to the microbiome of the soil. So you have to sort of be willing to take on all of that, which means learning a lot of new things.”
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“Yeah, and agriculture is very much like that. So clearly, for instance, things should be grown much closer to where they're eaten. I mean, they don't have to be grown like in vertical farms in a city, but they could be grown a few hours away out in the suburbs and there'd be a whole lot better. But here I am in Boston, you know, you can't hire an agricultural worker in Boston. First of all, there are very few people who know how to do it. and they would demand to be paid much more than you could afford to sell the tomato floor so you have to have a better way of using labor you have to have a better way of building greenhouses so that they work in colder climates you have to have different breeds of plants different fruits and vegetables that are not optimized to be shipped 2000 miles so you know there are a lot of things you have to change but if”
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“Yeah. And that's because that's probably, you know, that's the commercial opportunities. If you make a better point solution to something, you've got to market and you can build up expertise and then competitive advantage and so on. So there's a reason why people do that. And, you know, the system things are more complicated and more likely to fail. And a lot of times I do look at it and just decide this is too complicated. I can't do anything. But sometimes you'll look at it and say, wow, a lot of the easy things haven't been done. If you change this and you change that at the same time.”
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“Yeah, permaculture would be like a natural system. And so nature does build things in terms of systems, ecologies are systems. But typically, we engineer things in terms of point solutions that get put together into systems.”
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“Have point optimized out most of the specific solutions, done a pretty good job of that. But very few, if anybody people have kind of tried to look at it as a system and how could you rearrange the system?”
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“Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So agriculture is like the oldest technology. So it's amazing all of the solutions people have come up with, like the point problem of, you know, how do you pull out a weed or pick a tomato or any one problem has been looked at in a lot of ways and lots of inventions around it and so on. It's surprising how few people think in terms of what's all the things that have to happen for food to get grown and it ended up on the table. And a lot of it is stuff that you don't imagine like predicting the weather, mining fertilizer shipping things in refrigerator trucks. And it's not things that you would think of first when you're thinking of agriculture, but that's actually what a lot of the activity is. So people.”
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“I'm interested in and maybe it's because of the technique I've devolved to learning things is are there ways to change the system rather than solving individual point problems within the system”
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“You go to a grocery store. Most of the vegetables that you find in the grocery store are many weeks old. They've been shipped across thousands of miles in refrigerator trucks, a great cost energy. They're just about to spoil by the time they put them on the supermarket shelves. They've had all the flavor and everything bred out of them so that they can optimize their ability to withstand shipping long distances. And the rest of the world couldn't repeat this inefficient system that we've done and yet the rest of the world wants to eat much better food, wants to eat more protein. Climate is changing.”
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“Well, I'll tell you what, like right now, I've gotten very interested in agriculture. Part of it. And I started to realizing, I mean, we just grew food in our own greenhouse, and I started realizing how much better this food was than what I could get shopping at Whole Foods and started thinking about the whole supply chain and why was it food was so bad and expensive. And the more you looked at it, the way we do food today kind of relies on finding some place where you can pay somebody an unfairly low wage to do something and bringing the food from there. And, you know, that's not really a sustainable future. And the land in which you can do that and just the social justice of doing that is not going to hold up. And people want more protein and people want better food. And it's incredibly energy inefficient. You're better off in California.”
2024-12-11 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #782: Legendary Inventor Danny Hillis (Plus Kevin Kelly) — Unorthodox Lessons from 400+ Patents, Solving the Impossible, Real Al vs. “AI”, Hiring Richard Feynman, Working with Steve Jobs, Creating Parallel Computing, and Much More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, yeah. I think that's a much better way of doing it. You have to have something sustainable, otherwise you're going around begging all the time.”
2024-12-11 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #782: Legendary Inventor Danny Hillis (Plus Kevin Kelly) — Unorthodox Lessons from 400+ Patents, Solving the Impossible, Real Al vs. “AI”, Hiring Richard Feynman, Working with Steve Jobs, Creating Parallel Computing, and Much More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I should say that the make money thing isn't exactly like you put it that way because I've never really done things to optimize to make the great, you know. Company or something like that. But you sort of have to have some financial share. Model of how you're going to pay for all of this. I mean, it has to have some sustainable way of paying for itself. It doesn't have to make you rich.”
2024-12-11 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #782: Legendary Inventor Danny Hillis (Plus Kevin Kelly) — Unorthodox Lessons from 400+ Patents, Solving the Impossible, Real Al vs. “AI”, Hiring Richard Feynman, Working with Steve Jobs, Creating Parallel Computing, and Much More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm kind of realizing, and I never articulated this before, but there's always something that you kind of want to learn about. So, in that case, it was clear that there was a lot happening in biology that I didn't know much about.”
2024-12-11 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #782: Legendary Inventor Danny Hillis (Plus Kevin Kelly) — Unorthodox Lessons from 400+ Patents, Solving the Impossible, Real Al vs. “AI”, Hiring Richard Feynman, Working with Steve Jobs, Creating Parallel Computing, and Much More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And they all share a kind of skepticism about the experts in their field. You know, they appreciate that they know a lot of things, but they also appreciate that they're missing a lot of things. And I think that that's probably rare in a field because you're really, you know, the best strategy for becoming important in a field is kind of go with the flow, work on the accepted important questions. Don't question the things that nobody's paying attention to and don't listen to people on the outside of the field and things like that. So yeah, these are all very unusual people to do that. And so I do have to find an unusual person that sort of is willing to put up with a dummy like me.”
2024-12-11 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #782: Legendary Inventor Danny Hillis (Plus Kevin Kelly) — Unorthodox Lessons from 400+ Patents, Solving the Impossible, Real Al vs. “AI”, Hiring Richard Feynman, Working with Steve Jobs, Creating Parallel Computing, and Much More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, he's a very unusual kind of a doctor to do that, just like Dick Fyman was a very unusual kind of physicist and Marvin Minsky was a very unusual kind of computer scientist, that they all, first of all, they all share a kind of playfulness and curiosity.”
2024-12-11 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #782: Legendary Inventor Danny Hillis (Plus Kevin Kelly) — Unorthodox Lessons from 400+ Patents, Solving the Impossible, Real Al vs. “AI”, Hiring Richard Feynman, Working with Steve Jobs, Creating Parallel Computing, and Much More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't respond to them. And then finally, he was resourceful enough one day he got, I think it was John Dore, Al Gore and Bill Bertman or something. He got like three different important people to call me up and say talk to this guy. I did. I mean, so far, it was so far afield from things I knew about.”
2024-12-11 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #782: Legendary Inventor Danny Hillis (Plus Kevin Kelly) — Unorthodox Lessons from 400+ Patents, Solving the Impossible, Real Al vs. “AI”, Hiring Richard Feynman, Working with Steve Jobs, Creating Parallel Computing, and Much More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, in that case, it was really David Aegis, who was the doctor that Rob Yen took, was my mentor. And I think with all these people, they like explaining it to somebody who doesn't understand it because they get to sort of go back to the fundamentals. And then that's a process, if you've ever taught somebody something, you know how much you learn teaching somebody something. So that was in some sense what I had to bring to the party was I was the blank slate that didn't know anything that was asking the dumb questions.”
2024-12-11 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #782: Legendary Inventor Danny Hillis (Plus Kevin Kelly) — Unorthodox Lessons from 400+ Patents, Solving the Impossible, Real Al vs. “AI”, Hiring Richard Feynman, Working with Steve Jobs, Creating Parallel Computing, and Much More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, so first of all, he was one of the world's experts. First step was just like learn from him. But then, you know, he knew people that were other interesting people to talk to and introduced me to them. And, you know, it was the same thing with Marvin. Marvin introduced me to other people or the same thing with Feynman. You know, once Feynman introduced me to his arch enemy, Murray Gelman, you know.”
2024-12-11 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #782: Legendary Inventor Danny Hillis (Plus Kevin Kelly) — Unorthodox Lessons from 400+ Patents, Solving the Impossible, Real Al vs. “AI”, Hiring Richard Feynman, Working with Steve Jobs, Creating Parallel Computing, and Much More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Two ways of looking at what's going on in a computer. I mean, I could stare at the code for a long time, but a better way of debugging the program is to try to run the program and look at what's actually happening. And in some sense, if you look at genetics, you're looking at the program. But if you had a way of looking at all the proteins, that's the equivalent of the debugger to see what's actually happening. And so it kind of became a different way of looking at cancer in the National Cancer Institute got interested and gave us the money to actually make some real progress and so on. So that's how I got into that one.”
2024-12-11 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #782: Legendary Inventor Danny Hillis (Plus Kevin Kelly) — Unorthodox Lessons from 400+ Patents, Solving the Impossible, Real Al vs. “AI”, Hiring Richard Feynman, Working with Steve Jobs, Creating Parallel Computing, and Much More · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT