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David Kaye

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“Right, that they create noise and anger and a different narrative, a different narrative which is going on, which is super interesting. I mean, I was just watching just in my mind, I was watching a Fox News panel where they were talking about Nancy Pulsey ripping. They were obsessed with this ripping up of the thing. And I was like, he didn't shake her hand. And he just said, son of a bitch in the East Room. Like, what? And she's saying he was classless. And I was like, why aren't you reporting? He was really interesting. And I thought, oh, what interesting propaganda to like just focus on one thing, even though something's going on over here and ignore it. And it was riveting. And I thought, this is really effective. Yeah. It was really an effective use of cable in this case.”
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“Now, all of that's on social media. So, you know, rather than having to go and find your blog or this or that, you just go to social media and you say, look, you can't carry this kind of content. It's become a lot easier. The fundamentals of it aren't any different. Governments want to restrict information. Or they want to flood the zone with disinformation to crowd out verifiable.”
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“The book that gets out. Exactly. Yeah, even pre digital, right? The idea of Samazdot, you know, right? Explain that for people who doesn't. Yeah, so in the Soviet Union. You know, my area of expertise at Georgia University at the Foreign Service School was propaganda. So please explain. So this is your world. Yes, yes. We're bringing you back. This is why I'm so focused on this. Yeah, I mean, so in the Soviet Union, it wasn't as if there were mass publishing. There would be one document or one book, like Soljanitin's Gulag Archipelago or something like that. And there'd be one copy of it and it would travel around by hand, among activists, among people. And it was known as Samazdat. And, you know, back then it was.”
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“It's different with digital, or just moves to a different battlefield, essentially. Yeah, I mean, I think fundamentally it's the same thing. It's a new battlefield. And, you know, governments forever, leaders forever, have always tried to suppress the kind of information that people share. It's in some ways easier now, right? I mean, because if we think about even pre-social media, it's easier now compared to then. So in the past, when it was a kind of a flat, non-hierarchical, non-concentrated network of networks, it was really hard. It was kind of whack-a-mole for governments to figure out where did they go. He's got the mimeograph machine, who's got the...”
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“Making the links between sort of traditional suppression of information and what's happening now, the old ways of book burnings, keeping people in line, arresting people for doing things. Suing them now, that's the latest one is the lawsuits that are going on everywhere.”
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“That are almost like canaries in the coal mine for mass atrocities, authoritarianism. And when I started five or six years ago, you could see the beginning of the things that you've been writing about for years. Disinformation on the platforms, attacks on journalists, kind of mob attacks, especially misogynistic ones. And it was just, first of all, that's a very interesting area for me, how governments are manipulating private actors to do this, but also it was interesting to me from the perspective of what does this pretend about the future and where we're all going. I mean, I didn't predict kind of the populism of the moment, certainly not Trump. But I saw what was happening in the increasing repression. Now,”
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“Book burnings. I was always interested in the fact that repression, I mean, ultimately the Holocaust began with the repression of the mind, with the repression of speech. So that's always been kind of core to the way I thought about the world and about human rights, studied it as a kid through college and law school. And it was something I knew I always wanted to do. I was really just in a lucky place when the Human Rights Council, which is the central human rights body of the UN about six years ago, appointed me to actually monitor freedom of expression around the world. They do that for all sorts of areas of human rights. And I put in for it. And there's kind of a black box as to how those appointments get made. But I was appointed to do that. So for the last six years, I focused on, I mean, I'm most interested in those kinds of threats to freedom of expression, attacks on journalists and other.”
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“Yeah, I mean, it's interesting. So I became interested in human rights actually as a teenager. So I grew up in a Jewish community in which Soviet Jewry was the big thing. I mean, if you go back to the 70s and 80s, the big issue was freedom of movement for the Jews of the Soviet Union. And that was kind of where I cut my teeth at. Exactly. And then, and when I was 16, I went on a trip to Poland, which was, it was solidarity era. Poland, and visited concentration camps. And I was really at that moment very focused on You know, as a kid, sort of what happened. And, you know, for me, it always started with.”
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“So I did a lot of work around the Geneva conventions after 9 11, which kind of told me I got to get out of this place. And so I went academic and I went back home to Los Angeles. In LA, I started the human rights program at UCLA at the law school and then went to UC Irvine when Irwin Chemerinsky, you know, famous constitutional law scholar started up the program there, started up the law school a little over 10 years ago. And to explain, when you were talking about doing the human rights of it's all around the globe, this has been something that's been a long time issues. And not just, but you've moved into digital, but talk a little bit about why you were interested in that and what you were doing there.”
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“My background. Well, it begins over 50 years ago in a small town. So basically, I was interested in international law, international issues from a really young age, so I focused on that when I was at Berkeley. And my first job for 10 years, I worked at the State Department as a lawyer. And then I went into academics. I started a human rights program at UCLA and then went to UC Arvine. And the State Department, you did what? You worked on just various incendry. Yeah, I mean, the way lawyers work at the State Department is you rotate around every few years, but I did the main thing that I did that I was most interested in was humanitarian law.”
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“Man can be so easily hacked. I want to get to that in a minute, but I want to give people a background of what you do besides being a law professor and everything like that. You focus on the area around surveillance and people being tracked? I mean, I do. So I monitor freedom of expression around the world. So it's not just digital, although a big chunk of it has become digital over the last several years. But yeah, we report to the UN on all things, freedom of speech related. So tell me how that works. How did you get there? Give me your background. People like people's background.”
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“Last year, he wrote a very important book called Speech Police, The Global Struggle to Govern the Internet. David, welcome to Reco. Kara, thanks for having me. I have wanted to talk to you about this for a long time. As you know, this is all my area that I've been like hammering away on, and you are doing the actual work to be doing that. The reason I'm having you here is I wanted to have you here for a long time, but you recently came into the news for very important reason. You were part of the release of the information about MBS, who is the Saudi prince who runs Saudi Arabia, and Jeff Bezos' phone, which is probably one of the weirdest. And more menacing stories, actually, if you think the world”
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“Spare time, I'm just a reporter and you're listening to Power To know around tech and beyond, were part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Today in the red chair is David Kay, a clinical professor of law at the University of California at Irvine. He's also the United Nations Special”
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