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David Wallace-Wells

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“You know, the original biodome was briefly run by Steve Bannon. He inherited it. It's a weird episode in his life where he was executive in charge of the biodome.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, you know, a lot of flying could be done through high-speed rail. That's one sort of local solution. Looking into the future, I think we need to develop either electric planes or carbon neutral jet fuel. And that's one of the ways that this carbon capture technology is actually being used to produce fuel that could conceivably power something like a plane without producing any carbon footprint. So that's possible. I think I say in the book, if we save ourselves, it will be technology that saves us, but we can't just assume that like by going forward however we do our innovation, that inevitably some technology will evolve that will solve the problem for us. We need to actually focus on it and prioritize that goal. Otherwise, we'll end up just, you know,”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, a choice architecture in which we can make a variety of decisions, all of which are responsible. We're now living in a world where most of the choices we make about what we eat and how we travel, et cetera. Most of the choices we can make are irresponsible. We need to live in a world that is”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But just one last fact. The average American emits enough carbon every year to melt 10,000 tons of Arctic ice. Each one of us every year. I mean, there's a lot of ice up there down there. Like, there's a lot of ice left over, but that just shows you how much, even if you're living in a responsible way, you are still doing incredible damage. And that's because our policy has not yet evolved to provide us.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, as I said, any round trip flight in the US is the equivalent of eight months of driving. So if you're really flying a lot, no matter what car you're driving, you're fucking the environment. But cars are a huge problem. And it's a meaningfully, I think globally something like 25% of the carbon problem is from cars. And we're going to see as China gets richer, as India gets richer, as sub-Saharan Africa gets richer. A much bigger demand for cars than we have today. So, yeah, I think we need to figure out ways to eliminate that carbon footprint. And I think the Tesla has been hugely important and influential in making that happen. I think the existing car company is left to their own devices would have been dragging their feet for more decades. Maybe by 2080, we'd have an electric car. But they're now being, because of Tesla, they are all pressured to do it in the next decade or so. And that's great. But it's so much bigger than that. I mean, it's, you know, it's every time you flick on the light.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And when you think about it, given how the Silicon Valley approach, I'm sorry to bring it back to that, is cars, that's where it centers on is the idea of eliminating cars or eliminating fossil fueled cars. How important is that to getting, as they fly around in their private planes, but that's another question?”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And then their entire carbon footprint is basically eliminated. And there are solutions like they're kind of technocratic solutions like that everywhere in the puzzle, but there's so many different puzzle pieces that it's hard to say it's any one thing. It really has to be a comprehensive kind of kitchen sink, all hands on deck approach.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But food is a huge part of it too. I mean, especially in the developing world, there's going to be much more appetite for beef and dairy than there is now. And those have huge carbon impacts. Now, there's some thought that maybe China could adopt some policies that will encourage its citizens to not develop an appetite for beef. I think that's sort of unlikely. But there are these small-scale studies that show that if you feed cows seaweed, their methane emissions go down by as much as 95 or 99%.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, just to talk about it, why not think about it that way? So one of the things I do like about the stuff that Ocasio did or say Elizabeth Warren, whatever on tech, is that you start that. That's where you start the discussion. You're not sitting on your back feet. You're the one being the aggressive agenda setter, which I think is the fact of the matter is whether people go against it, that's what you're talking about rather than not talking about it, which I think is an interesting It's really interesting to see how that's evolved”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Everything you do in the modern world has a carbon footprint from what you eat to how you, what city you live in, how you drive, flying, all this stuff. And each of them has. Thousand different things you can do to cut carbon. So I think what we need to do is evolve a perspective on everything that we do that is oriented around carbon and its impact so that we see that impact falling when we take changes. Like in the sense that when you walk down the supermarket aisle, in addition to seeing things advertised as organic, you'll see things advertised as carbon-free. I think that'll happen quite soon. I think there should be a lot more pressure on car makers to go all electric. I think it's possible in the relatively short order we'll see a ban on new internal combustion engines. There are already cities in Europe that don't have any cars. I think we'll see more of that.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think that there's not much sympathy globally or in the US for fossil fuel business. And in parts of the world, there are lawsuits already targeting companies and targeting governments. In the Netherlands, the people of the Netherlands took the government to court because they were failing to honor the Paris Accords and won. So now the Dutch government is going to be obligated to honor those accords. In the US, there's this incredible lawsuit being brought by these teenagers that uses this novel interpretation of the equality.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“a bilateral arrangement orchestrated by a different American president and Xi Jinping really taking the lead rather than trying to pass it through a body as complicated as the UN. But practically speaking, I think the immediate steps to take are ending fossil fuel subsidies. There's no reason for us to be spending that money propping up these dirty energy sources. We could be spending it on R&D or building infrastructure that would allow us to endure.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, well, just to say one quick thing about the Paris According cords, no major industrial country is on track to meet the commitments that they made under the Paris Accords. And even if they did meet them, the world would still be heading for over three degrees of warming, which would mean the permanent loss of all ice sheets over time that would bring hundreds of feet of sea level rise. It would mean hundreds of millions of climate refugees. It would mean terrible impacts on our level that we're going to secure if we honor the Paris Accords is way higher than you and I would conscience. And yet we're not even honoring them. No country in the world is honoring them. So I think in a certain way, it's a little early to tell, but we have to sort of judge that model of approaching the solution as a kind of failure. And as to how we do it going forward, I think it's likelier that we end up with something like a”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, exactly. So, Dave, let's finish up talking about what has to be done in the next five years, ten years, and it's politically in both and technologically what has to happen if you had to pick, you know, what are the key parts besides, I mean, a lot of the attention got to the global accords and things like that. Besides agreeing on things like that?”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Totally. They make the connection. You know, Tornado Alley has moved, which is the region of the country that gets hit by tornadoes, has moved 500 miles in 30 years. So it used to be all the way in Texas and Oklahoma. Now it's in the Gulf Coast, which is an entirely different environment that was not developed and was not built up in expectation of tornadoes. So now we're going to see much more destructive tornadoes because they're hitting communities that were not built to protect. Yeah, right.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I think that that'll be the story of the next couple of decades as more people around the world becoming aware in exactly those terms because they see the impacts close by. I think in the middle.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh, 100% recover from that. Just the other day, they just announced that they're back to normal levels. What they thought was, but nonetheless, I think people in California are very aware of the problem, more than most states. It's discussed.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, the folks at Cal Fire were saying also that kind of job that they had from, I think it was 2012 to 2015, it'll take many years of good rain to really recover from that.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But they say, you know, there's sort of that can have negative effects too because it produces more growth, which then can get dropped out. 100%.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Of stopping these fires There are 88, I think, municipalities in Los Angeles. 37 of those are, according to CAL Fire, in severe, I don't remember the exact terminology is, but they're like high hazard, severe. What's interesting is because of...”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think things are moving in that direction. I was just out in California doing wildfire reporting and I was at Cal Fire, which is like the big organization that runs the... The monitoring and fighting of fires out there. And I was talking to a guy who was showing me dashcam footage of his drive through paradise during the campfire. The screen was entirely black. There was no light anywhere except occasionally you'd see some sirens from emergency vehicles. And I was like, wait, so when was this? And he said, oh, this is mid morning. And there was literally no sunlight penetrating below the smoke. It was entirely blacked out. And these fires are, you know, they used to burn at 1,700 degrees, they told me now they burn at 2,100 degrees. That's hot enough to turn the silica in the soil into glass. They used to wind as the main driver of them. Wind events used to last four days. Now they last 14 days and no fire powered by Santa Anna Winds has ever been stopped by firefighters. I was talking to Eric Arsetti, the mayor, and of Los Angeles, and he said basically, we can't stop these fires. You know, we have a better chance of solving climate change than we do.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think a lot of people in San Francisco woke up to that issue because of the way the skies looked. I know it sounded crazy, but it was uninhabitable. It felt uninhabitable. Yeah, I mean, breathing was, I mean, it was terrible. The skies were all”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, although in California, so they've made incredible progress on all these green energy initiatives. They've cut their emissions dramatically. And yet the gains they make every year are literally entirely wiped out. Every year's forest fires. So trees are like carbon. They're like coal. They're stored carbon. And when they burn, they release carbon.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They say that they're much more aggressive on climate, but their emissions are not falling faster than ours. So it makes you think just how much is the rhetorical”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The Republican Party is like their villainous. They've really dragged their feet on this. But we're not in this situation because of the Republican Party.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Republican Party Republican Party, no other country in the world has a party like the Republican Party, and yet no other country in the world is behaving better than the U.S. on emissions, which gives you a sense of that there may be some... Red herring, kind of convenient thinking among American liberals about that”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And she is like, well, I can play global climate leader now. They're still behaving badly in a lot of ways. They haven't closed their coal plants. In fact, they're kind of still opening more coal plants, but they've made massive investments in green and renewable energies over the last few years, done a ton to clean up their air pollution. And I think that will probably continue. And in a weird way, It's what we have to hope for because American emissions were up last year, but they're on a long-term downward trend. It's the same as true of the EU and the UK. But the climate future of the planet will be written by China to a lesser extent, India, and sub-Saharan Africa. And so the real problem is not, you know,”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Incredible. Well, it's gotten better since. 2013 was the worst year for them. Actually, now the pollution's worst in India. But in China, they've done a lot. And Xi Jinping, actually, especially since Donald Trump has been elected, I think has sort of seen an opportunity because Trump is sort of evacuated the role of American leadership on this issue.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Smaller than 15. Right. But China's responsible for 29% of global emissions. If concrete were a country, it would be the world's third biggest emitter, and China is now pouring as much concrete every three years as the U.S. poured in the entire 20th century.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Totally But there's a real particular narcissism here. The U.S. is now responsible for 15% of all global emissions, just 15%”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That we need to globally Mobilize at the level we did during World War II against climate right now. In fact, the Secretary General says we need to start this year, 2019. We're very far from that, which means like I don't think we are going to avert those levels of warming. But it's nice to see and heartening to see more and more political energy taking the threat seriously. Now, how quickly that affects the actual policymakers, how quickly that policy becomes law, and how quickly that law creates real changes in our infrastructure and our economy. It's an open question. And it's, I think, more importantly, a global question. So Americans often think about climate change as an American issue. And the U.S. is historically responsible for the lion's share of global emissions.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yale climate polling, which is the kind of gold standard on this issue, says 73% of Americans believe climate change is real and happening now. 70% of them are concerned about it. Those numbers are up 15% since 2015. They're up 8% since last March. That's rapid change by any political science measure. Unfortunately, it's really slow given how little time we have to take action. But by any, you know, the movement is just really, really fast. I just saw a poll today that said that climate change is now the number one tide for the number one priority among Democrats who are going to be going to caucuses in Iowa. And again, this is like the Democratic Party five years ago thought cap and trade was too radical to even try. And now we're in a situation where every single major presidential candidate has signed on to the Green New Deal, which calls for a World War II scale mobilization, which is what the UN says is necessary globally to avert catastrophic”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's not warm, it's cold, stuff like that. I know. What heroes we have in the White House. I know. Yeah. I mean, the Green New Deal, it is basically, it's not really a piece of legislation. It's like a kind of policy conceptual idea. And it really starts by quoting, literally quoting the UN's findings and saying, here's what the UN says we need to do. And then it sort of moves on to try to develop a politics and a policy that could meet those targets. But that's radical in its own, right? Just saying we're going to build a politics out of the science rather than build a politics out of what we think is feasible. That's a huge sea change. And I think personally, I see a lot of hope in the politics.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We're here with David Wallace Wells. He's the author of The Uninhabitable Earth. You know, these scenarios are very quick, coming quick. That's one thing that people don't realize. The second is that people don't really understand that there's not a particular solution to it or that we're not making the kind of things. And I want to end talking about that, but what are the key things we have to do in the next five years, 10 years? But right now, the political will to do anything is nearly zero, except for someone like Alexandria Ocasio, who gets pilloried for saying we really have to slow it down rather dramatically, who gets made fun of, who it's really interesting the reaction to what she's saying, which I don't think is particularly that dramatic. It's sort of identifying a problem. The White House thing, it's not warm, it's cold, stuff like that. I know. Such heroes we have in the White House. I know.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“This two degrees of warming is like the threshold of catastrophe they call it. The UN has 400 scenarios in which we avoid two degrees of warming, 344 of them use negative emissions of one kind or another. So that's some form of sucking stuff out of the atmosphere. They ran another series of 116, 108 of them used negative emissions. So we are really dependent on these sort of spectacular unheard of and untested technologies to avoid anything but truly catastrophic levels of warming. This is something I think the average person on the street doesn't understand. Can't avoid it. We just can't do it without these technologies, which you have never heard. Nobody's ever heard of. We are depending on them already for the planet being livable 50 or 70 years from now.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Global infrastructure, they say two to three times the size of the current oil and gas industry, and geoengineering would be much, much, much simpler to manage and more economical. So even those people, this is a person who literally would become like a trillionaire if his company were rolled out across the world is saying actually I just want to, I want this company to be used in a small scale way. And I think this other solution would be better. But that means that our skies would turn red. And like I said, all of these unpredictable effects, which scientists are only now beginning to study and really understand. Unfortunately, we're now in a situation where we need it. So the UN”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Even this guy, for instance, this guy who stands to benefit from that carbon capture technology, the guy who's running that company that Bill Gates founded, he told me that he doesn't want to see carbon capture put forward as a solution. He wants except in very small scale ways for sectors that are having trouble decarbonizing. He wants to see geoengineering used because it's much cheaper and you could do it for a time basically to buy yourself some time so that you could decarbonize at a much more natural pace. Carbon capture would require”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And then, like, what if a terrorist attacked the plant that was suspending the sulfur? Or what if there was a world war that made the continuation of that project difficult? Then we'd immediately push the planet to a much higher level of warming and would be catastrophic for us to get to three degrees over the span of 50 years, it would be insanely catastrophic for us to do that over the span of five months or something, which could be what happened. And yet.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So sunlight comes to Earth and is absorbed by Earth. If we put stuff into the atmosphere that could reflect some of that sunlight, less of it would be absorbed by the Earth and therefore the Earth would be a little bit, yeah. So it kind of masks the natural level of warming that we'd be at. And if we put enough, it's usually sulfur that people talk about, put enough in the atmosphere, we could say, lower the temperature of the planet by one or two or even three degrees Celsius. And there are a lot of people who are worried about that in part because we don't really know how it would affect agriculture. We don't know how it would affect public health. There's already actually a lot of aerosol pollution from just the burning of fossil fuels. Nine million people are dying annually from that air pollution. If we don't avoid two degrees of warming just from air pollution, 153 million people would die from it, which is 25 Holocaust worth of people. So we're already inflicting huge amounts of suffering through air pollution. This would be creating more of it. And there's the other problem, which is that”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The carbon offsets? Yeah. Yeah. Y I mean, there's also, you know, people, there are a lot of people who think that we can do it through natural sources. So by replanting forests and doing different agricultural practices. And it's true that plants suck up carbon and they produce oxygen. That's what they do. So if we had more of them, we'd be better off. But estimates for what we'd have to do to avert this catastrophic level of warming to degrees.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, that is not massive. It's still at a laboratory scale, but it could be scaled globally. I think basically it's a kind of we need a million solutions, not one silver bullet solution. But for instance, if we could develop zero carbon or carbon neutral jet fuel, that would be really important because nobody expects that we're going to give up airplane flying. In fact, everybody expects that there's going to be more air travel in the decades ahead.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, because the more northern you are, like, you know, your crops will grow better. And there are these economic productivity statistics that it sounds sort of like geographic determinism, but there's kind of an optimal temperature for economic productivity at about 13 degrees Celsius, which is the historical median of the US. The U.S. has now warmed a little bit beyond them. So the economists say that we're probably losing about half the half a percent of GDP every year because we're too hot. But of course, parts of the US are exactly at 13 degrees Celsius. That optimal temperature, including Silicon Valley. So that's now at the optimal productivity temperature. And Russia will move in that direction. So their cognitive performance will improve and their agriculture will improve. So their economy will be doing better. But on top of that, they're a petro state. So if they can continue to produce oil and sell it, they'll be better off.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They're one of the few countries in the world that's likely to benefit from warming. So they're sort of doubly incentivized to make it worse.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Rather than sort of exporting it, of course. But I think some of their win stuff was really interesting. They had a giant kite. I remember that. They had a lot of this stuff because my ex was involved in it. I remember they talked about it almost incessantly, which was interesting. And at the very same time, this group of people are accepting tons of money from Saudi Arabia, tons of money from all the oil producing states. And I was always like, Do you not see the disconnect? They didn't refuse that money, or Russia, another oil, but not just a bad actor, but an oil-backed actor.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Let's talk about that because it's really one of the things that's interesting because you're talking about the tech people many years ago. It's really interesting because Google, for example, has been very interested. They were going to do this giant whim farm in Hawaii. There was all these, they've been a lot of the energy around all their servers. They were definitely thermal. I remember they were talking about thermal. They were always interested in alternate energy sources that were not damaging to the Earth. That is for sure. But they never did them, which was really interesting.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, wind is huge, and it's not just in the US, it's now most parts of the world cheaper than dirty energy. That's a huge part of it. But, you know, energy is only one slice of the problem. There's also, I think it's about 30% of global... You know, the global problem, there's transportation, air travel, which we're talking about before. Every round trip ticket from New York to LA is the equivalent of eight months of driving. Every round trip ticket from New York to London costs nine square meters of Arctic ice.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I mean, the energy generation, just the wind and solar costs or the progress has been incredible. The prices have fallen so much more dramatically than...”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And when we do, why is that? Don't talk to me about that because the storytelling is a tech story. It is really a tech story. I mean, I do want to talk a little bit about tech solutions and the idea of what are that. So there's this carbon one that Gates is doing.”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“30 years, you don't want to live another 30 years. It's close. It's close. But, you know, that's a drama at the scale that cultures used to treat as theology. I mean, and we instead are like reluctant to even dramatize it at all. And when we do is...”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You remember that one? Yeah, well, a big question for me, an interesting question is why we've had so little good movie making, good storytelling about climate change, which is, you know, really to me the epic, even theological story of our time. I mean, I mentioned before, we have this timeline. We brought the planet from stability to the brink of crisis in 30 years. Now we have 30 years to save it. Like you and I will be present and will be a part of whatever response we make”
2019-04-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Uninhabitable Earth" author David Wallace-Wells · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT