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Dax Shepard

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“And then it's all the whole outcome societed on a Friday. By 3 p.m., I know if I've completely wasted two and a half years of my life in that respect, I mean, I enjoyed the process so much. But in that respect, yeah, not the outcome I wanted at all. And that's happened to me twice on two different movies where I just, I gave it two years of my life. And then it just floundered. Yeah, to show up and do something for three hours and for it to work felt very like something's too good to be true here. I think I had a lot of that going. Like, this isn't how it works. I'm supposed to sit in here and make up for an hour, which I don't want to do. Then I got to learn a bunch of lines, and then I got to tediously shoot this scene. And all these things, and this is like, no, sit down, shoot the shit, and bail, and it works. It's just very confusing. It's hard to understand why it would work. But yeah, I think some of it is like, I didn't even know what expected.”
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“I mean, that could certainly be it. I think there's other factors too. Yeah, the thing I kind of, the example I gave was that I'm used to directing a movie where it's a two-year endeavor, like chips for me was at least two and a half years of my life, where that's all I did.”
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“That's kind of a good barometer for me of how healthy I am and how much I'm getting my esteem from the right place. I now just think that I love talking to that person or not.”
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“Hard now to follow more than I previously tried to lead because they just get repetitive. I have all these insecurities. I think we relate it a little bit on this. It's just like there was a while there where I was just looking at how many listeners we have and I'm just waiting for it to drop. I'm like, well, this is going to drop. I know the inevitable trajectory of all things. They even hit TV shows. They just slowly and precipitously lose. And there's better shows out there. And I get distracted. You know, all these things. And I just had to stop thinking about that. I just had to remember no, no, I did this with no expectations. I didn't think a lot of people would listen. I just love talking. Just fucking enjoy talking. And then things will happen one way or another. And so I pretty much semi-successfully gotten out of the, I haven't asked Rob what the numbers are in probably a year. No, maybe the first month of COVID, I was like, curious what that had done. But since then, I haven't asked.”
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“You know, one thing I'll say that has evolved is I was trying too hard at the beginning to get people to be sharing something we never heard in that again I wanted it to be like an here's what happens I'm always in an AA meeting with other dudes and I hear some person share and I think God I'm so lucky to hear men talk about this I don't think anyone not in AA gets to experience this And so I want everyone to have that. And so then the people I have on, I wanted them to, with them having no AA experience, I want them to jump right into that. And so I think I pushed pretty hard at the beginning. And I've laid off. And then sometimes I think, have I laid off too much? Like there's some things, but I am getting more confident with just when it's going to be that type interview. That's great. It'll be that type interview. I follow them more. I try really.”
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“Person, I'm smart, which is very hard again with the dyslexia baggage. I have a chip on my shoulder that everyone thinks I'm dumb, no matter how much proof I get to the contrary, I still have to work through that fear.”
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“They got to be so bored of it. But at the same time, the guest I have doesn't listen to the show, so they've not heard it. And then I also feel like it's mildly unethical to cut out the part where I say I was molested and then just cut right to them going like, yeah, I was not, you know. So it's a little dicey. It's not perfected by any stretch. And I do end up talking more than probably people would prefer. But yeah, I've got more and more comfortable with it. I think also I originally when I started interviewing experts, I am intimidated by them. I mean, I'm talking to Richard Dawkins, like, I read Selfish Gene and just thought, how could someone have thought of that? You know, 20 years of thinking this guy's brilliant. So my own fragile ego wants him to know, I get your book. So I'm going to waste so much of this interview letting you know I get your book. And I just, more and more, I don't try to prove to the...”
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“I'm still really bad at this. I still give myself a C, but I used to be an E, is I just talk way too much. It's just as if I met you at a bar and I want your approval and I'm aware of that and I'm trying to get your approval. I've talked less and less and less over the last few years and it gets better the less I talk. But again, I am in, I will justify it a little bit in that I am so often trying to enact vulnerability, which requires me to go first. It's almost like an AA meeting where it's like I share first and then maybe you're compelled to share back. And so it's kind of required. And then we get into this tricky situation where, I mean, it's tricky for Monica is like how many fucking times can they hear me tell this story?”
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“I find that I just remember that I'll run into people that I haven't seen in five years and I'll be like, oh my God, didn't you? And I may remember the story better than they do. And so when I research and I kind of, I think out my thoughts and as I'm learning about them, questions pop up and I kind of jot them down on paper. But just the act of me writing them, they're pretty much in there then. Yeah, that must be a result of that dyslexia background where I can hold on to that. Although it's getting worse, I'll add that. You know, I have two kids and I'm getting older.”
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“Yeah, I think what other dyslexics who I've met throughout the years, what we seem to share in common, let me back up and say, there's a great chapter in a Malcolm Gladwell book. I want to say in the Goliath book about for years, and this is what I learned growing up, that dyslexics or twice as likely to end up in prison, which makes total sense because you're going to fail out of school and what are your options. But it's since been revealed that also, and this number's not right. So whatever the number is, you're also twice as likely to become a CEO. So it's like, oh, that's kind of interesting. It's like it can break you, but also it can become this asset. And so what I've found from a lot of other dyslexics is that since you're not really getting anything off that chalkboard, that is just, that's a roadblock. You're kind of forced to really develop a great oral memory. So like when people tell me a story.”
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“I can just see in them, they're like, oh, wow, he just said that. And no one ran away. Okay. Fuck, I'm going to say it too. Yeah, I was too. I mean, look, 25%, or at least if a body keeps the score is an accurate book, 25% of people have had some sexual trauma in their childhood. I mean, so anytime you're with four people, one person there, it's not rare. 40% of kids have experienced physical abuse enough that it left a mark. I mean, these are not rare occurrences, yet we all feel so isolated. In them and unique and at fault somehow. So yeah, I just think there's something about if you start, people are inclined to match you, you know?”
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“So I think what happens is they know that if they say something regrettable, they can just get rid of it. And then upon saying it, I think they realize they feel different than they feared they would feel or they see from our reaction that we relate. And then they're maybe not afraid anymore that that came out in that time. It's like, I know you just published something really intimate, but it's like, I've been blessed. When I tell people I've been molested.”
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“Well, they have a safety net, I'll add. You know, so everyone that comes on the show, we tell them up front you can cut anything out you want. When you go home tonight and you're like, I shouldn't have told that story about my brother. His feelings will be hurt. They just tell us and we cut it out. So we're not 60 minutes or the New York Times. I have no journalistic obligation to not give people the right to cut shit out, right?”
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“And it wasn't until then where I was like, Well, then that must be what they like about me. And that must be what they like about the guests when they're on our show versus other shows is that they seem to be more vulnerable or something. And so I guess that's it. And then I guess from that, I would conclude it must be rare. It must be rare to hear people be that way or people wouldn't be listening.”
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“I fired it in the thing, and now my friend won't sit with me. And it was just like I was overwhelmed with how vulnerable all these people were. It's like they led first with something kind of embarrassing or vulnerable about themselves.”
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“Really smart people. So, when we started taking questions, they were almost unanimously, oh my God, I'm sorry I'm wearing the sweatsuit. I wore a skirt, but my thighs were sweating too much because I'm on my period and I had to go to Ross and buy the stupid suit.”
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“Know that I fully know why. I think there's a tremendous amount of luck involved. And also we get incredible guests. I mean, the guess thing is its own machine where, you know, once Bill Gates is on, someone else who maybe was like, I don't know, you know, it just, it all, some of it becomes self-perpetuating. But I'll say, and when we talked on the phone, I told you this, that I learned a lot when we started doing live shows and we got to actually interact with people who listened to the show and we'd hear their questions. And as I told you then, I always notice and say I'm Harris's live shows when people ask questions. It's just a diatribe thesis on some kind of molecular biology. Like the real goal is clearly, I want Sam to think I'm smart. And so what I glean from that is that they like that Sam smart. That's what they like about the show. That's what I like about the show. I like that he can argue well with other people and I'm exposed.”
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“So I had an explanation for why the first episode did really well, and then also some of my more popular friends like Kimmel, I think, was on the first batch. And so was Ashton. They were nice enough to help. So when they were a part of the launch, I really kind of attributed it to them and or the shared interest in Kristen and I as a couple because we've found this out. It would be hard to miss if, say, she posts a picture of herself. Let's say it gets, you know, I don't know what, 100,000 likes. She posts a picture of her and I together, it'll get like 300,000 likes. And same for me. There's like a factor of three things, you know, more than the sum of our parts. So I had explained it by that. And I thought for sure it would all fall off as soon as she was not on the show. And my other huge friends were not on the show. And then it just kept working. And I didn't know why.”
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“Well, we launched really big, right? Which was an advantage that we have over so many people. And we launched very big, or at least I explained it by the fact that Chris and I did it together. And the episode didn't go that well, which I think people found very... I'll probably like Mirror Nurani satisfying anyone who's in a relationship, you know?”
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“Than it is celebrities, and our show is Monday celebrity, Thursday experts. So experts generally have a book to sell, and that makes it a lot easier. But Monica is now very dialed in with all these different publicists. And as we've had better guests, then more people are interested in all this. And she handles all that. I research. I show up and I interview people and I also reach out to people that maybe I have access to that no one else has access to. And on rare occasions, Kristen has to get involved because people like her a lot more than me.”
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“Photoshop or something. I don't even know what he uses. He is also the liaison between all the technical people that are involved in it. And then Monica is very much a producer in that she's dealing with publicists. She's booking the show quite often. She is on the calls with sponsors and advertisers trying to explain what we do and what we don't do and how everyone could be happy. So she's like, by the time it gets to me, And it's time for me to read ads, all the things have been handled by Monica, right? Whether that's just like, oh, we don't actually say that, but he's happy to do this, you know. So she's in charge of both, you know, editing, dealing with all the advertisers, booking and dealing with getting people. Rob also will get people too. Like, it's a lot easier for us to get experts.”
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“Okay, so I'll kind of tell you pre COVID because it's evolved obviously for COVID. It's changed dramatically. But when we did every interview in person, Rob was in charge of every audio thing we needed, every, you know, the hosting site, publishing it. He takes the photographs. He's really great at graphic design. So he does our look, the yellow thing. He also does all the merchandising like we designs all the stuff. I mean, Monica and I are involved in it, but he physically makes everything, I assume on.”
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“I'll call her the pilot for this and I'm the co pilot. But yeah, she's just, I'll tell you, we didn't edit when we first started the show. And the result of that was I felt a compulsion to fill every dead second of airtime. I already talk way too much. I've steamrolled in this interview. And so I did it even times 10 because I was like, what? This person's thinking for 22 seconds. I got to say something. And Monica was like, we need to start editing the show. And then she started editing the show. And she really then becomes the editor is so in charge of the tone of the show. It's just her point of view as much as anyone's because she does do that. And I've never listened to an episode and thought, what the fuck was she thinking? I'm always like, oh God, thank God she also knows when I go too far, which I go too far quite often.”
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“This shared idea. So, yeah, I didn't know anything other than I had been a guest on podcasts, right? That's all I knew about podcasts. And so, and Rob, too, our other producer, he's very instrumental in this. He was producing another podcast, and I met him on there. And so Monica was like meeting with people who have successful podcasts and finding out everything that goes into it. So she really did gather up all that. I just wanted to chat. And she really figured out how to do it with Rob, who was also very instrumental in it. And then the thing evolves, right? It becomes something that you weren't necessarily, you couldn't have foreseen and you thought you wanted to do one show, but it kind of becomes another show. And she was just, she's incredibly helpful and being, it's just great to have two people who are objective checking each other because I'm wrong a lot. She's wrong a lot. But together, there's like a pilot co-piloty thing.”
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“Yeah, that might be overstated. I think that implies a lot more planning than we actually did. But I mean, in a nutshell, Two things. I'm a terrible delegator. I have a ton of Fear that someone won't execute something in the same tone that I like, right? Again, back to me being a control freak, it's why I went into directing at some point. And so to find someone like her who I had watched take over Kristen's point of view and tone and execute it flawlessly for years, I just felt very safe. Like it's the first person I think I've ever really just trusted.”
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“We had to have like a, it was a really funny conversation because she's like, you know, I think you're stealing Monica, right? And I was like, yeah, yeah. I go, but we just, we got to go with what's financially better for everyone. And so had I not had the financial argument my corner, I wouldn't have wanted it.”
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“And so she transitioned from watching the kids to really running Christen's whole thing. And then she was always around and our hobby would be to argue about political things or podcasts we had just heard or a TV show. We loved debating. And so when we wanted to do a podcast, I thought, oh, this would be so great to have her both just to be a completely different point of view than my own. And I think it's also important that it would be a non-white and a non-male point of view would be helpful. And she has provided that and become, you know, the most beloved part of the show. And she also fact-checks all my interviews because I spout facts I learned in college in 1999 that are either not true anymore or I've misremembered them. So she has this fact check component. And it's kind of morphed. And then she had her own show on our network that was.”
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“I mean, that's She is my co host on armchair expert, and her story is fantastic, which is she was in our friendship circle kind of peripherally, and she let us know she could babysit. So I think about seven years ago maybe she babysat for our firstborn kid a little bit. And then we had a second kid, we kind of brought her on more full-time to help. And then we discovered pretty quickly that she was also a UCB person and was incredibly funny and a really good writer. So then Kristen started asking her to write things for her. And then she kind of just took over Kristen's life. If Kristen hosts an award show, Monica writes it, if Kristen does a commercial, she punches it up. Like she just became funny enough in some of the ways, some of the stuff I used to do for Kristen, now Monica did, which so I was just very thrilled about that. I was like, oh, good, we have two writers in the house now.”
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“Funny enough, the most generic thing in the book, in the AA Big Book, is resentments will make us drink. We can't have them. For whatever reason, we're the type of people that just, we can't afford to have them. And I had a couple and they were huge. And I was ignoring them. And I was not wanting to confront them. And I'm now, you know, in the process of working through all those. So I think Aegis coming clean, being honest with everybody, and then committing to figuring out why I wanted to escape and addressing that, which I feel like is happening. And then again, the huge silver lining of this whole story is that I didn't go drink and do Coke, which I didn't think was possible. I thought if I had to say I had one day, I'd be like, fuck it. Well, then I want to drink. I missed that.”
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“Yes, so the first part was just understanding how this thing happened. I needed to get my arms around like, how did it happen? Well, it happened with all these baby steps. So that was important for me to acknowledge. Like there's no wiggle for me. There's no white lie for me because the white lie will just, it'll grow. That's what it does. It grows. And then secondly, I had to ask myself, what am I trying to escape? You know, what do I find so uncomfortable in my life that I need to confront? And that took a couple weeks for me to kind of isolate. And that's being tackled now. That's being tackled in therapy. And that's being addressed. And I know, and I'm not really ready to let everyone in the world know what that is for me.”
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“And then the powerlessness was just, opiates is a gnarly thing to get addicted to because daily your tolerance goes up. So even if you're not even in search of getting higher, you're just going to have to take more and more and more. And that's the situation I found myself in pretty quickly into the whole thing, which is like, I'm taking a tremendous amount now and I'm going to have a horrendous detox and I know it. And that was not part of the plan. Did I answer your question?”
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“So now we're getting more shady, but again, not shady enough where I'm ready to go, like, oh, I don't have 12 years of sobriety over this. And I willfully... Allow myself to be misled by all that. I go, this isn't something that I really don't have control over. I know what powerlessness feels like. I know what unmanageability feels like. If I drink, there's no guessing where I'll be in three days. And if we had coke to that, there's just no guessing where I'll be for a week or so, you know. That to me is powerlessness and unmanageability.”
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“Terrible piece of shit over that, and I kind of just work through that, right? And then that becomes a little bit of a misleading experience, which is like, oh yeah, I did that once, and it was no big deal. I didn't go out and buy more. I didn't do anything crazy. I didn't act like an addict. Opiates were never my thing. And then I get, you know, I have a lot of stupid hobbies and I get hurt maybe two years later. I get hurt again and I have a prescription. And now this time I don't take them at night when they're administered to me because they fuck up my sleep. So I just save them and then in the morning when I get the other administered ones, I now take too because that feels better than the one.”
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“It's a really interesting experience for me because day 35 or something right now, right? So the first couple of weeks was just kind of really owning that it wasn't just this last period where I had had two back-to-back surgeries. I mean, that certainly lit a fire under it. But if I really go back, it started, as I said in that episode, with having been in a motorcycle accident, having a legit prescription, leaving it in Detroit because I had no one to administer it, going home to take care of my dad who's dying of cancer, he has Percocet. I take Percoset with my dad. So that's shady. I'm not really supposed to do that. But I'm justifying that as, well, I have a prescription at home and fuck it. Also, my dad's dying and we're sitting here looking at the lake and I can kind of justify that. And then I admit it to Kristen. And Kristen doesn't think I'm a...”
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“I felt horrendous lying to the people in my life. I had not gaslit people in 16 years and I was gaslighting people. I was gaslighting people in my life. I was gaslighting a doctor. I was doing it and I just, I don't have the stomach for it anymore. I couldn't do it. It's like I would look at Monica who's like, you're on something. And then I deny it, deny it, deny it, and make her feel crazy. And then I'm feel horrendous about that. That used to not bother me or I used to be able to do it, but I just, I wasn't able to do it. And so whatever downside that there was, which was so minimal, the relief of not looking at people I love and fucking lying to their faces has been, you know, infinitely better.”
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“That's one thing drugs do. You know how you will feel in 30 minutes. And I desire that. And so, but I will say all my fears that they've yet to come to pass. Now, I didn't lose any sponsors. I had this, we have this great relationship with LightLife, which is a alternative. It's vegetarian meat, right? I got a huge basket of flowers from them that said, like, we want more than anything to still be in business with you. So it couldn't have been nicer. It was, you know, humiliating in some ways. And then ultimately, the bottom line is.”
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“Relapse. Like that, that feels very unfair to me that I would put her in this situation where now she's got to explain what the hell happened. So those are just all the factors, you know, that I was afraid to come clean about. And then it was an interesting experience doing it because when Monica and I recorded it, I had a lot of control over that. We could edit something out if we didn't like it. We could not release it. We still had control. And then there was a period where we're like, well, what do we call it? So I had control over what it was called. We had control over what day it came out. And then I underestimated that once it was out, it was just out. And then I had no control over it. And one of the reasons I relapse is I fucking love control. I love to know what mood I will be in. I love to regulate my emotions and my feelings.”
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“Connected to anyone that likes the show, I think they like me, not a character I played. So, and I couldn't have a show begging people to be honest about the shitty things that they've done. And then not do that in return. But it was really, really hard. And then I had other fears. Again, this is all in the mists of being actively addicted to opiates. A lot of the things I would tell you I know now are not the truth at all. In those moments, I'm like, you know, I come out and say I relapse, I may lose sponsors. I don't know. I may not get asked to sell Samsung microwaves. You know, I make a living. There's a financial component that could backfire. And I'll add into it. It's so not fair for my wife that now every fucking interview she does for the next six months, they're going to ask her about my research.”
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“I really took that advice to her, and I also, as you know, the level of, there's something much different for me about listeners and what I call armchairs than people maybe who saw me in idiocracy, right? In idiocracy, you've got Mike Judge as the genius behind that, and it's his vision that we're all executing. If you like the show, you probably like it.”
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“And I didn't want to lose that. I didn't want to not be someone people would look up to and want sobriety from. And as I started telling people closest to me that I had relapsed, a good friend of mine said, you know, if you're true in that your real desire is to help people, it's so much more helpful that you relapsed. Like it is you having 16 years and being married to Kristen Bell is not very helpful to anyone. Those aren't overnight goals that someone would feel like they could relate to you on. He said, so if you're honest and true about this desire to help people, this is very helpful. And so I”
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“Hundreds and hundreds of messages from people over the last few years of doing the podcast saying, hey, man, I'm two months sober because thanks for this thing. And I half of it was just genuinely, I think that's an esteemable act. So that gave me a ton of self-esteem. And then my ego is certainly some percentage of that, which is maybe the unhealthy part of it, which is I liked being a beacon of someone that this program worked for.”
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“Yeah, I was very, very hesitant to share it, certainly publicly. One, I had let this 16 years of sobriety become so intertwined with my identity. I mean, I would tell someone within the first half hour, meeting them that I have been sober for 16 years. So it was like so much of my identity was that number we fight to protect our identity pretty hard. And I did as well. And then additionally, I had this ego component, which is I so cherished the people who listened to the show, who would hear my story of sobriety and recovery, and then maybe try going to a meeting. Or they got sober. I mean, I've gotten, you know,”
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“I am annoying. If I had to pick one thing in my life, it would be that I exercise. I've just never felt worse after an hour of exercise than I felt before. So exercise is huge. Have I gone to a meeting? That's huge. Have I been of service to somebody I don't want to be? And in general, when I feel terrible, if I ask myself those three things, if those three things happen today, they've never happened. I've never done those three things and been in major discontent. That for me is kind of my checklist.”
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“I've slowly cobbled together a little checklist for me. I think, A, shame. I just had a decade of shames, you know, all kinds of deplorable behaviors while fucked up. So that was a big component. And then really self-esteem, right? I was trying to get my value from a lot of outside validation. And then I got it and I just, I saw the same person in the mirror. I had also dated girls that I was convinced if that girl liked me. Well, clearly that would prove I was desirable and worthy of wanting. And then every time I look in the mirror at their house, I have the same piece of shit. And so over years of being sober, my lists really became, have I exercised? I can't put too fine a point on my belief in exercise. I'm a zealot about it.”
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“Actually, figure out how to be happy because it wasn't those things. They help for sure. I don't want them to be taken away, but I was at my shittiest point with all the things I had set out to get.”
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“At this airport. And so I'm hiding in the corner of this bar, and there's the proverbial mirror. It actually was there. And I'm hiding and I am people recognized me. So that dream had come true. I was about to make the most amount of money I ever made in my life starting that movie and amount of money that I thought would solve all things. And I was the most scared, most depressed, most suicidal I had ever been with all the things I had wanted to get. And that was a very, very scary moment. And I realized, wow, it really isn't about those things. I had told myself, as I think a lot of people do, like, if I got some money, I'd be happy. If I got this girl, I'd be happy. If I got this job, I'd be happy. And I was lucky enough to get all those things. And I was very unhappy. And so I really had to ask why. And I had.”
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“But I had my most profound moment was I was about to start this movie Zathura. I knew I had to get sober for it. I thought, oh, I'm going to go to Hawaii for a week vacation with a buddy before I start because I know I'm going to be getting sober. And I specifically went to Hawaii because I was under the impression they didn't have cocaine there. It's very hard to get cocaine there. And I didn't want to die. But they have other stuff there. And I found Crystal Meth and all this stuff. And by the time I left that trip, I had a layover in San Francisco and I was so physically sick from that week I had been in a car accident. I had smoked meth for a few days. I was just, I was in so much physical anguish that when I got to San Francisco, I really needed to get down like three or four jack and diets to make the flight to LA. And I had been in AA at that point. So I'm so afraid someone from AA is going to run into me.”
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“A bit. I think people were willing to be around me more than some other people that are less funny, but I had underestimated that I ultimately suffered. I ultimately was demoralized and pessimistic and defeated in that it really wasn't about all the people around me I could keep in my orbit that I ultimately had to be with myself all the time. And so I had an awareness that I drank too much. That was quite obvious. And I knew that I used cocaine far more frequently than the Surgeon General would recommend. I didn't care until, you know, I had a few attempts at getting sober and I could put together two or three months. I generally did it because I knew I couldn't use.”
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“Throughout my using, but I had a different point of view, which is my heroes at that time were Bukowski. They were other romantic drunks. Whalen Jennings. And I had this fantasy, this romantic fantasy that I could do something artistically that would be impactful enough that it would excuse all of my shittiness, right? So like Waylon's got several songs basically apologizing for cheating on his wife and it's hard to be in love with a fun loving man. And Bukowski would put these books out and it kind of excused what a horrendous piece of shit he was in his real life. So I think I very much was, I was looking to be a fuck up, but maybe one that was funny enough that people overlooked it or I wrote something important enough that people would give me a pass. And so that was kind of my fantasy. And on some level it worked.”
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“It's just hard not to be empathetic towards that because, man, I've yet to meet the person who's not wrestling with some shittiness, you know. It's a unifying trait of us humans, you know, we've got some shit we're all dealing with.”
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