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  1. “My great pleasure. I'm so grateful for all the ways you go out into the world and bring forward things that help people live more connected and valuable lives. And it is one of the things that I believe your depression has been a great gift is I don't know that you would have done this if you hadn't have had the depressions that you had and needed to find the tools that you needed So I'm grateful for your depression. And for your own unique journey that has now enhanced so many of ours. So, thank you so much”

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  2. “Feel pretty heartbroken these days about. The drama that is happening amongst us And I'm actually grateful for the heartbreak because it's helping me connect more with love. And one of the things I'm doing is facing. I'm really facing the cost of the drama that we're having. And so I think one of the things I most hope people will do is have the courage to face the cost of the drama that we are creating in our workplaces that has people so overwhelmed at work. The cost politically, environmentally, and that they're willing to face it, let their hearts break wide open, and then from that place get curious and excited about what else could we create together? What else is possible? Because that really excites me. And I think, I don't want to argue with the way the world is. It's just fine the way it is. And I have a preference for a lot more play and creativity and togetherness and curiosity that I find when we drop the drama.”

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  3. “The big leap is all about learning to live in your zone of genius, which I think is just the most fun thing. And to take a look at what are the things that keep us from living in our zone of genius. And so I tell every leader I coach to get it. And 100% of them have said it was a valuable read. And gays just come up with a follow-up book on Zone of Genius that just came out last month that I imagine will be another book I'll be recommending and gifting. Because I find that inside of all of us is some creativity that when we are in that place, time and space go away, it's so fun and makes life so worth living. And I really am excited about supporting people and living as much as possible in that zone of genius.”

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  4. “Big leap by Gay Hendrix is probably the book I've gifted the most and the one I've recommended the most of any other book. And also conscious loving for couples because you asked that question earlier, conscious loving, I think, is a fantastic book for couples who are wanting to get more connected is another one I've gifted a lot. Those are the two that come top of mind.”

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  5. “My clients were asking me, hey, how do we interview if we want people who want to come and be in a part of a culture that doesn't have as much drama? What should we be asking that would make sure that we knew they were good fit for the culture we're creating here? And so that was what caused me to put those questions together. And I use them myself. You know, we were just, we just did a couple of big hires at the Conscious Leadership Group. We almost exclusively focused on self-awareness and people's ability to have candor, take responsibility, keep their agreements as one of the primary things we were looking at because they were already very successful candidates. So we knew they were they'd had a great pedigree already. So we wanted to make sure they were a good culture fit because we're really committed to no or very little drama in our workplace.”

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  6. “Oh, yeah. I have a question for each of the commitments. So I rotate them around. Like, what are you feeling right now? So if I need to keep checking with my feeling states, another one would be, what do you appreciate about somebody around you right now? And then I'll use that as an opportunity to speak that out loud because I'm really a big fan of lots and lots of appreciation. Another one, do I have enough time right now? I use that one. Are you experiencing enough time right now as a way to pause and go, oh, good, I'm so glad I asked myself that question because I can feel I'm in a scarcity of time and let me stop and pause and get back into the present moment where there's always enough.”

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  7. “Exquisite is whole body yes to me. Is this a whole body yes? Is this yes, I'm in my zone. I feel fully alive. I'm doing what I most want to be doing. I'm on purpose.”

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  8. “I still use it. I use it every day. And I ask that basic question, where are you? Are you above a line, meaning are you in a state of trust or are you below the line in a state of threat? So I ask that I have it seven times randomly per day. It pops on my screen and I pause and look and check. For me, it's like lifting weights every day. So that's one. And then I use other questions that I rotate around. Like one I'm really liking right now is this exquisite, Diana, is this moment exquisite? And then it gives me a pause to think about how could this be more exquisite.”

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  9. “Of all, and also the commitment of experiencing that you already have enough, which most people also struggle with, especially at least in the business world, I rarely ever come across anybody who has enough time. And then they go on from there to being able to create a win for all. Work with a team where there's a lot of different needs, and it seems like they can't come up with a solution where they all win and helping them do that. And finally, be the resolution to that which you see missing in the world. So if they're not listening, be a better listener. If they're not taking care of things, take care of things.”

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  10. “In the workplace and at home is coming from suppressing feelings in ourselves and each other. Candor is a commitment to be able to say what's going on rather than conceal it, which then causes me to have to start to withdraw and ending gossip is another commitment, really being impeccable around agreements so that I do what I say I'm going to do is another commitment. Those first six, that's what we focus a lot in the business world when we come and work with teams. We have them work on those six commitments to help secure the identity and relax drama. And then once that's done, then we have things like let's look at appreciation, the commitment to appreciate the commitment to play and rest, the commitment to live in our zones of genius. And then the commitments get even deeper into being the source of approval, control, and security rather than trying to source it outside of yourself, which is probably one of the most difficult commitments.”

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  11. “I want. That's radical responsibility. So people often, we say the thing you're complaining about is often the thing you're committed to creating in. If you can own that, that's radical. And then the second commitment is all around letting go of wanting to be right. And what we mean by that is the defending yourself righteously that keeps you from learning and growing. Those are the two cornerstone commitments, one and two. I think we even say in the book, like you could stop right here and just practice these for the rest of your life. But then there's the commitment to really feel feelings and specifically what I notice, and we talked about this, you and I a little bit when you were thinking about writing this notebook, was how much we're trying to control each other feeling feelings. So like I don't want to say no because I don't want you to have a feeling over there. And I really think I'm right. You shouldn't have them. And I don't want you to have a feeling because then maybe I'll have a feeling. And I see how much of our”

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  12. “We got a lot of these from Game Katie Hendrix. They were the ones, they wrote the first two commitments word for word. And the first two commitments, the first one is all around I commit to take radical responsibility for the results in my life. And that's a cornerstone commitment. And that looks like some guy who I was coaching the other day called me up and said, my CEO is not giving me the feedback I need to grow as a leader. And so had him teach me the class. How do you create the CEO not giving you the feedback you want? He's like, what? I'm not creating that. I'm not the effect of it. He's not giving it to me. I said, teach me the class. So he actually thought for a moment and said, well, value the CEO's time more than your time. Don't reschedule when the CEO breaks your one-on-one meetings. Don't ask directly for the feedback you want. And he started to giggle and realized, oh, I'm the creator of not getting the feed.”

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  13. “Controlling about money, and that's a can we honor these polarities and can we see the value in both of them? Because usually I was the one who wanted to spend the money and my husband wanted to hold on to the money and we would get into a battle about you're keeping me from having joy in my life because you're so stingy about money and he'd say you're going to make us all broke because you're just so unconscious about spending it. And so honoring that those two sides of the player are actually allies that are here to create just the right balance to take care of ourselves and have fun. And so those are all different skill sets. There's so many different tools. And I would say that our book, The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership, we wrote it for leaders, but really it could be a perfect guidebook for couples if you just apply couple examples in there because that's what really created the beautiful”

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  14. “Matt and I studied with gay and Katie Hendrix for years at the Hendrix Institute. They did a lot of relationship work. They still do a bit of it. But I learned so many tools there on how to get off the drama triangle. I learned about personas and about how I get caught in these personas that then unconsciously require the persona of my partner to show up in a certain way that then I complain about. And I learned about how to unwind those or shift them when I wanted to. I learned about the importance of feeling my feelings. I learned about really questioning my stories. I learned about polarity and how important it is to honor polarity that shows up in couples and making sure that I honored both sides of the polarity equally. For example, a lot of couples argue about money, and almost always there's one that we call the gas and one who's the break and somebody who's more free-flowing with money and somebody who's more.”

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  15. “And learn from something greater than my own experience so far. And so it was in that level of curiosity that I just found my way. And it was baby steps, you know, a little bit here, a little bit there. And we've had several versions of that often, or not often, but the three versions were all some version of me. Something needs to get learned for the next evolution here of this relationship.”

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  16. “At first, I didn't know. I just knew I was really scared when I asked the question. I believe that fear is when we're present is an intelligence that says something needs to get learned. Something needs to get learned. So when I had that fear, I thought, oh, wow, something needs to get learned. I don't know something here. And so that was my first clue that her question was powerful is the fear that arose in me. And then I just kept asking the fear. what needs to be learned. I just kept being really broad in that curiosity. I got into a state of wonder. I wonder who I would need to be to call forward the man I most want to be with. I just kept asking that. I wonder and I let it be okay that I didn't have to know because I didn't know. I've been, you know, with him for a long time and I didn't know. So I had to be willing to listen.”

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  17. “We said, let's kill off this old marriage and let's see if we can create a new one. And I'm going to keep asking myself, who do I need to be to call forward the man I want to be with? And about six months later, I was with the man I wanted to be with. And I remember saying to him, you really changed. And he said, no, you really changed. And the truth is, we both really changed. But I was really grateful for that first conversation of being willing to let it go and then getting the feedback of, hey, if you're the creator of who's showing up over there, who do you need to be? And for many months, I felt like I was going to throw up 24-7 learning to be a much more vulnerable, needy woman who called forward the man who could protect and lead in a way that I hadn't been willing to be in the past.”

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  18. “Man, you want him to be that he's not. And she said, Who is the woman you would need to be to call forward that man? My stomach dropped And I thought I don't want to know about that. What? And I realized, oh, I would need to be a different woman.”

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  19. “Initiated it. It wasn't Matt's idea. I said, hey, this isn't working for me the way we're in relationship. And there's a different kind of a man I want to be with than how you are. And I want another possibility. And so I didn't know how to do all this. I was just toddling around trying to figure this out. And yeah, I said, I don't want to do it this way anymore. And so I thought that might mean that we needed to be separated and that we needed to end the marriage. And I was willing to, we actually got some support from counselors about telling our kids that we were going to divorce. Because that's the only direction it seemed like we were going to go. And then I had this great advice from a friend who said, okay, Diana, I love you both. If you think divorce is what needs to happen, that's great. But I hear you complaining that there's a certain”

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  20. “Done is the marriage that I have. We get a lot of feedback that it's an inspiring marriage to a lot of people who look to it. And I do think it comes with the courage to say no.”

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  21. “And it just so happens that it continues to be us married. And I think we play around often. Sometimes we'll get up in the morning, I'll say something like, hey, you want to be married today? And he'll say, oh, well, what would that mean? What kind of a husband do I need to be? And we'll giggle and play around with, well, how about this and this? And then we choose. And that is for me, we are always choosing over and over again. And we always are willing to kind of to the point of using the work with Byron Katie of I'm willing to open to the possibility that not being married is just as okay as being married. And what that has created is an incredibly vital, creative, ever-evolving, passionate marriage in which we're freed up to keep exploring new ways of being together. And I am really proud of my relationship. I think it's one of the greatest things I've ever done.”

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  22. “Well, it's a challenge. It's both a great gift to be with a partner since you were young, get to grow up together. There's a lot of shared memories and shared friends. And there's a sweetness that it started out with. You get to keep. And there's also a great challenge of the fact that we are different people who evolve and change. And so several times, at least three key times in our relationship, we've been willing to let it all go. basically killed it off. Just said the relationship as it was is done. Now let's just check and see what is the relationship that wants to happen moving forward. Maybe it's just friends, co-parents, maybe it's lovers, staying married. What is it? And so we have a lot of courage both of us to be willing to let go of what's not working and trust that the right form of the relationship will reveal itself.”

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  23. “Well, I also, you know, if I were working with you, I'd have you say I shouldn't have a depressive state, I should have a depressive state. And I'd really go argue for why you should. Do that so that you get it in your body, not just into your head, but I should have a depressive state again. Because that's the other thing I hear is there's arguing with it would be bad or I shouldn't have it or I'm trying to avoid it instead of, well, if it happens, it happens. And it should happen instead of it shouldn't, is at least as true. But that would be a good one to go play with because I think that would also help you be more open to life happening the way it does through you.”

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  24. “Yes, and to your point, this isn't a good tool to use if you are really dysregulated in the moment. I would recommend first using breath and movement to relax the nervous system. To get yourself into more calm first, because if you just try to use this as your first thing, you might likely use it as a weapon and just intellectualize it all, that'll just give you some temporary relief over and over again. So I do recommend first getting yourself use some movement, use some breath, calm the nervous system. We say, you know, handle your blood and brain chemistry first. And then this is a good tool.”

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  25. “Yeah, because you feed the demon every time you believe you're right that it's going to be dangerous, you feed the demon. And so then you're just going to keep amping up the anxiety. And then, of course, you have that much anxiety over time, you're going to burn out. You're going to get depressed because the body's going to get intelligent and go, I can't do that. I can't run this anxiety all the time. Let's get depressed and just chill out for a while.”

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  26. “With a preference, I have a preference not to go into a depressive state for sure, but if a depressive state is what happens, okay, we'll learn.”

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  27. “Yeah, I call it walking the line. It's like a walk the line right down the center where I'm holding both is equally true. And I value both sides. Like, sure, because I think I don't want to be stupid and I want to dismiss something and be naive. But I want to be honoring that, hey, I'm not meaning righteous about this story I have over here. Because if I am, I'm going to cause myself some kind of reactivity. So now I just stick with, okay. depressive episode may happen and then ideally if i can walk that line then all i'm going to do is learn Going to be able to stay present to what's happening and learn along the way, what needs to happen. And then I get to start to welcome. My experience is I have a lot more trust if I just am willing to welcome whatever's going to happen.”

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  28. “So then we go, okay, we want you to keep it dangerous. Sure, it's dangerous to get in depressive states. That can be true. But it's also, at least, it's true that it's not dangerous. And we can see examples of how that's at least as true. So what we're trying to get the mind to do is to see, okay, we'll give you both. They both can be true and therefore they're both not true. So then what? Then we get to be with what's underneath all the judgment Just what do you notice if you get to say they're both true? They're both not true, then what do you notice when you imagine that you might go into a depressive state at some point?”

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  29. “I actually don't think the witness can't panic if you're in witness, if you're truly in witness, the one who's just a watcher without a judgment. One who just says, like, I have a witness, it's like, Oh, check you out, Diana. You're scaring yourself about being on the Tim Ferris show. That was, I literally said that to myself this morning, oh, check you out now. My witness is just watching thinking I'm adorable, that I'm scared and doesn't have an opinion about it, just watches. Oh, there you are. Wonder if you have a relationship with that part of yourself that just can watch and observe. Welcome whatever's happening without judgment.”

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  30. “Okay, I'm just trying it on myself because I got to go in there. I'm going to try on being depressed and go in there with you. So I can feel I'm not hurting myself. I can feel I'm surrounded by support. Way it's not dangerous could be I'm noticing is like there's an awareness in you that knows you're depressed, right? Yeah, so there's a witness who's there watching. There's a part that's never in danger who's watching the whole thing. That part's not experiencing danger.”

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  31. “Okay, let's say it's long because since lung is the one that scares you. So let's say it's a long one. How is the long one not dangerous”

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  32. “So you go, okay, great. And then we go, okay, so it's not dangerous is at least as true. We had two examples so far. So we're going to go for one more. And now you might even get more clarity of how it's not dangerous if you're listening to your head and your heart and your body. How is it at least as true that going into a depressive state does not have to be dangerous?”

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  33. “Yeah, and you're actually not present here to have the experience of non dangerous because if you're not allowing yourself to come down into the body, you're not fully here to access the intelligence that's giving you a direct experience of not dangerous.”

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  34. “Like, oh my goodness, there was so much support, so much interconnectedness. Breathe with that, feel that all the way down through the toes.”

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  35. “Just imagine one of the last times that you were in one, see all the people who came around you. Really, there were people there. And I want you to just let your body feel that, like feel, oh yeah, there were people who came and asked questions and gave guidance and offered support and listened and just let your body go. Your breath opens up and feel from the body the direct experience of support, of non-dangerous that you did have in the past that wasn't just intellectual. It was a direct experience of the body.”

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  36. “And so I can see it again in your head like intellectually. Of what I want is for you to come back down in the body and really feel that it's a somatic experience. I'm wanting you to get”

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  37. “Yeah. So I want you to feel that. Feel how, oh my goodness, I am surrounded by so many people and experts who could help me and have in the past. It was hard to be dangerous if there's all these other folks around me who got my back.”

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  38. “Yeah, and so we want you to get that down, especially in the body, like your breath go, oh God, really look and feel that. Yeah, okay. Many times depressive states, here I am. Okay, not dangerous. Me another example of how it's true. It's not dangerous if I go into a depressive state.”

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  39. “Yeah, and I want you to really get that not just in your head, but I want you to get that in your heart and your body because I feel you get it intellectually. I really want you to drop down and go, survey says I've been in multiple depressive states and I'm here. It hasn't been dangerous in that I haven't killed myself, if that's what you're calling danger.”

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  40. “Yeah, we're specifically going after the judgment so that your mind judges it's going to be dangerous if I go into a depressive state. It's going to be dangerous. I'm right about how dangerous it's going to be. So we just want to go, can we just look at how the opposite is true is it's not going to be dangerous if you go into a depressive state.”

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  41. “So then the next step is we don't want you to get rid of it could be dangerous because I don't know, maybe it could, but we want to help you come back to recognizing that the opposite is at least as true, that it doesn't have to be dangerous. So we're going to have you go, it's not dangerous going into a depressive state is at least as true. Can you give me a real example one that not just your head but your heart and your body, like there's something that your whole system goes, oh, okay, I can see how it's true that it doesn't have to be dangerous if I go into a depressive state. Can you give me real evidence of how that could be at least as true?”

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  42. “And so we're helping you question that so that you can now be aware and present for the possibility that you might be going into a depressive state in the future and how can you do your best to mitigate that ride it if you do have it happen so that you're not at the effect of it.”

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  43. “The objective is to understand that at the moment, at least, a depressive state isn't what's creating the anxiety for you. It's the belief that it's going to be dangerous that creates the anxiety, right? That's what we're going after here is we're going after the recognition that your depressive state, we actually don't know how you will or will not be. Right now, the danger you're creating is in your own head by believing you're right about your story.”

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  44. “Yeah. And my experience is, the more I drop in, the more I get to experience more States of presence. Especially like when you go into that relaxed, you could even drop in even a little more, and it keeps opening up, and these states can keep opening to more and more states of well-being.”

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  45. “Yeah, and I like to even get yourself even more present, sit here, and sometimes I even encourage you people to close their eyes, but let yourself drop in right here in this conversation You're now a man sitting here who can't find that thought. Little more meditative this way. Using your breath to keep opening. What's it like to be here? To be you, to be in this moment without the thought. No thought that's replaced it. You're just here without that one.”

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  46. “So that's your experience. So let's just imagine that I have this superpower and your brain is a computer and that thought, it's dangerous to go into a depressive state is actually like a computer program. And I have the ability to delete that program out of the computer of your brain. It's gone. So right now, I just did it. It's gone. So we're just going to pretend for a couple of minutes here. And if you just couldn't believe that anymore, what's it like?”

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  47. “Yeah, makes sense. I mean, I feel it right now. If I believed the story, that if I get into a depressive state, it's going to be dangerous. I feel panicky. I can feel that hypervigilance. I can feel like, oh, like really anxious.”

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  48. “In the future. So we're just going, I can't absolutely know for sure it's true. So the first question is, is it true? Second question is, can I absolutely know for sure that it's true, you're saying no. Third question is, what's it like when you do believe that thought? So when you sit here and go, whoa, it's going to be dangerous if I have a depressive episode. What's it like for you when you believe that to be true?”

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  49. “Yes, you can't say that with 100% certainty. So we're just trying to get to I can't know for sure. I mean, I didn't kill myself in the end where you're here, right? And we don't know if you would want to kill yourself in the end.”

    2024-05-24 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #740: Greg McKeown and Diana Chapman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  50. “Yeah, I mean, most of the time when I have my judgments, I do think they're true in the beginning. But then I go, okay, Tim, can you really truly, I mean, absolutely know it's true. Like you'd put your life on the line that if you have that it's dangerous if you go into a depressive episode.”

    2024-05-24 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #740: Greg McKeown and Diana Chapman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT