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Ed Gillespie

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  1. Right, National Federation of Independent Businesses, we try to do work on behalf of clients that we're proud of and on issues that we felt were good, but we obviously was our business, no two ways about it. And when I left What became QGA to go to work for President Bush in the White House, you know, I had to sever all ties and I did not return to lobbying not because I think it's bad, but I just wasn't, I didn't enjoy it as much as I enjoy some other things that I do. But we were very effective on behalf of our clients, and we did a good job for them.

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  2. He wouldn't, but he was a member of NFIB And he paid dues to NFIB and was proud of his membership as a small business owner in the NFIB. And they've got influence. International lobby.

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  3. I don't know that they have a great deal of power. My point is, you know, I would prefer an economy where Washington weren't so central to The economic direction of the country, but it is. And people have a right, literally a constitutional right, to make their case to the government. By the way, people also do that through grassroots and through town hall meetings and go into their member of Congress's.

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  4. No, I there was I can't recall I didn't really make personnel there are folks who do that I never lobbied on personnel because I didn't feel comfortable doing that I lobbied on issues I know a lot of the people who Who ended up in a lot of those positions. But I don't recall.

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  5. And we took on folks who had big problems and tough challenges and tried to apply the things that we had learned in government and in campaigns about how to promote ideas and deliver message and make it clear that this was a good thing, not just for this company, but why it would be good for the broader public, whether it's job creation or innovation.

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  6. Because Yeah. Well, there's no doubt about it. And look, to my view as a conservative Republican, I wish that the federal government did not have the effect on the economy and the direct impact on the economy, that it does in many, many different ways. But it does, clearly. And people have a right to petition their government. trade associations charitable foundations and others corporate America hire people to represent their interests before the government and the Congress. And it's become a big industry. There's no two ways about it. One of the things that Jack and I did, obviously informing Queen Gillespie was to form a bipartisan firm to try to find ways to help serve clients on both sides of the aisle at the time it was somewhat unique, not entirely unique, but somewhat unique.

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  7. It takes on a new dimension in today's context. That's why I think Bork is maybe a more apt example It did accelerate it. But whether or not it was a reflection of Or a cause, it may have been a reflection of what was going on in the electorate. Republicans were very frustrated having been out of power for forty years and felt that, you know, the things that we'd been doing weren't resulting in any change and that we had to do things differently. And Nude applied that with his approach to sharpen the differences. But to his credit, I would say in that regard too, and I'm not saying there's anything wrong with sharpening the differences. But he did put forward these 10 bills and say it's about the policy. These are our policies that we will, you know, that we will enact. And the contract with America and the 94 midterm was not just about President Clinton. It was about these policies.

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  8. You know, I'll tell you not because when we took control of the house, there were still, you know, good working relationships across the aisle. And you still had, you know, bipartisan support. Things have the polarization has accelerated throughout the years. And I would say that was a moment of acceleration. But again, to my mind, I would go back to the confirmations of Tower and Bork and some other things that came out of...

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  9. And then some of the court fights, obviously. Being a significant one in that regard too. So it's kind of a question well, who started it? I do think that Gingrich took those tactics and aggressively applied them as well. And he used media. He kind of saw C-SPAN as an opportunity when the house floor opened up to C-SPAN as an opportunity to get a message out.

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  10. In the 80s was kind of an initial harbinger of some of that and a little bit of a break from the kind of traditional, you know, that to me was kind of a watershed moment.

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  11. In some ways, yes, I would say you could go back a little further, though. To me, in terms of my experience, I actually think that. The rejection of John Tower as Secretary of Defense.

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  12. It was unusual, and I do think we were at a point because we'd been out for 40 years and we'd had three years of Republican. Because we had the President Reagan elected, re elected, and then President Bush for a third term, essentially. The truth is, and it's the natural cycle, but by the end of that third Republican presidency, we've gotten a little flat, and that was, and President Clinton was able to take advantage of that, obviously, to get elected. And so then this was a way to say, here's some new ideas, some new blood, some things that we haven't talked about in a while

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  13. You can tear it out. It was like a cardboard cardstock insert that you could tear out. And the point was, this is the contract, keep it. Tabs on us and see if we'll do these 10 things and hold us accountable. And it was a very successful effort.

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  14. It was. But they felt that that was the necessary ingredient that had been missing was to not just run against President Clinton or run with a Republican presidential candidate, but to come forward and say, this is what we'll do if we're given the ability to govern and the responsibility of governing. And so they went about bringing together the whole House Republican Conference and candidates for Congress all across the country to craft an agenda that they could run on in a unified way and say, we'll do this. And that was the genesis for the contract with America. And I was involved in the drafting of it. I co-authored the book, Contract with America, and I gave the names to the bills in the contract as part of kind of the marketing campaign. And it was very effective. This was before social media. And so the media kind of hook on it was an ad-in TV guide.

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  15. You know, it was a very exciting time. And Gingrich deserves a lot of credit, as does Army. The two of them, when they came together, really formed an alliance that was pretty powerful in their ability to work together in the staffs to work together was something that we hadn't really seen. Our Army got into leadership and became conference chairman of the House Republican Conference, and Newt was the whip. They both believed very strongly that opposing President Clinton was not enough, that you had to come forward with a competing alternative agenda for governance. And they worked very hard in that regard to put forward ten bills that they would, if Republicans took control of the House, which remember at that point had not been the case for 40 years, four decades.

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  16. From a political perspective, I don't think the long term pain would be worth the short-term gain of the seat politically. But again, I don't, you know, my view as a Virginian is not going to have much of an impact in that regard.

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  17. Range of other things. In my view, just politically, I made clear my own view in terms of as a person, I could not vote for him.

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  18. And that's a factor as well. There is a sense that people from outside of our state or Commonwealth, in my case, we don't want folks telling us what we can and cannot vote for. We'll make that decision ourselves. And there's a backlash that results from that. I'm not minimizing the challenge. I'm agreeing with you that this, but these are some of the factors that contribute to it.

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  19. Look, there are these tensions and these cross currents clearly, and it's true in both parties, as you know, but this is an example where there will be a segment of the electorate that will say, you know, we're electing someone. There was an interesting piece I wish I could remember and give proper credit that I saw not too long ago that kind of talked about the difference between one of the differences between the elites and kind of rank and file. Voters, whether they be in the Democratic or the liberal base of either party. And said the mentality is look, we're not electing someone the elites may see it as well, where we have to be more virtuous and role models and that kind of thing. A lot of the electorate is saying, we're just sending somebody there to do a job and to vote for. Tax cuts and conservative judges and other voters.

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  20. I don't know. Like I say, I mean, and I've seen the statements, various statements from leaders in the Senate, you know, they said there will be an immediate investigation and ethics investigation. And so that would run its course, I assume. Again, uncharted territory here.

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  21. You know, I think given. What Senator Franken has done and Conyers, and we'll see what others there are some other Democrats, obviously, who are in the mix. Politically, I think that it's obviously going to be a challenge. And I think the members of the Senate Republican conference realize that. They've made that clear. I was struck by Senator Shelby and his comments yesterday.

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  22. If I were in Alabama I would not be able to bring myself to vote for Roy Moore. I couldn't vote for Doug Jones, but I wouldn't be able to bring myself to vote for him. Now, the Cory Gardner has at the senatorial committee, Senator from Colorado, NRSC, yes, right. They're not putting money into the race. I think that's the right decision.

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  23. We're in uncharted waters here to a certain extent. And I think these things are going to play themselves out in a way that it's hard to be predictive right now.

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  24. who resigned. Representative Franks. There are others. Joe Barton said he's not going to seek re-election. There are others whose names have been put forward. Representative Conyers, obviously. And each of them are in different situations to a certain extent in how you get to a certain extent justice or Fairness in that process, I think is going to be different in these different venues to your point about affecting the president being heard. I think they're going to be heard. Where does that

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  25. I believe these women relative to the president will be heard. And the question is in what venue and to what end? I don't know the answers to that, but I suspect we're going to hear more from them as we're going to hear more from women who have been affected in the workplace and more in Hollywood and more on Capitol Hill and in other venues. Now you see in a situation with Senator Franken. You see with

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  26. I have to admit that I've been stunned by the number of people who am engaged in that That and I've pressed myself. I suspect everyone has. Have I seen this in workforces and offices where I've worked And I really can't think of instances of this kind of harassment. And I've prided myself in my own businesses and working with women and promoting them and treating them with respect. And I've been amazed at how rampant this is. And I do think that It's a moment that is going to result in change that is much for the better for my daughters and for future generations of women.

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  27. Significant. And, you know, there's a lot that, you know, is going on right now. It is a significant cultural moment. I have two young daughters. I know one of them. Yes, it's a young woman. Very bright. And, you know, entering the workforce

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  28. Well, I think in fairness to Joe, you know, and these are distinctions that it's kind of unbelievable to me that these are the distinctions we're making in this conversation. But in his case, these were adult women, largely his age that he was engaged in extramarital affairs with, but they were consensual. And, you know, that's a distinction, I think, between someone who is engaged in a relationship with someone in a subordinate position or harassing, you know, sexually harassing employees or staff or harassing even those who are not employees or staff and it's not consensual. And these are the conversations is clear to me seems right now we're going to be having for a while

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  29. And I think that if more of the members of the House in particular, but it's true of the Senate as well, were to come and then leave after a certain period on their own terms. Just too many of these folks get carried out on their shields because they stay too long.

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  30. And I said, Good for you. I said, you know, I think that's great. You served, you served honorably. You're going home. That's what the founders had in mind. And you served the people of the 5th District very well. Your boys are still young enough where the time you spend with them is important, and I'm happy for you. And he's doing a public affairs program at Liberty University now, and he loves it.

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  31. I always feel that one of the biggest risks in Washington, and in particular in the House, is people staying too long. And I like Joe, and I think he served the people of the Sixth District well, but I think, to my mind, this is one of the things that happens when someone stays too long. And a friend of mine mentioned Robert Hurt, who's a member of Congress from Virginia, and he called me after serving for, I think, three terms, maybe four years ago and said, I'm not going to run for re-election.

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  32. It's still with us. You know, and he came in, he was part of that Texas six-pack, and Kathy was his first employee essentially. She was a Texas A&M, and she basically ran his campaign out of her college apartment and was his first paid employee. It was for a special election to replace Phil Graham when he had run for the Senate for Tower Senate seat. And so it was an interesting race.

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  33. She was and working for a Texas member, and we had a softball team for the Texas offices, and we met playing softball in a congressional softball league. And I went out to a practice, and she was pitching. And someone handed me a bat and said, why don't you take some licks? And so I went up to home plate and I looked out on the mound, and there she was. That was it. I truly felt like a lightning bolt.

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  34. Rational decision making process has had a long term beneficial effect net net to the country, but it's caused pain in certain communities, obviously.

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  35. Well, and he was trying to remove that decision making process from the political thicket and have it be a less political process. And that's what the base closing and realignment commission does. It's still very political and it has a huge impact, obviously, and people try to affect it, but it's not as affected as if it were just a decision made by members of Congress earmarking and that kind of thing. I remember during the course of that debate, Bob Dole, who obviously has a great sense of humor, told a story about a base closure when he was a freshman house member, and he got a call from the senator from Kansas who said they're closing a base, Dole called the senator because he got noticed that they were closing the base in his district. And he said, do you want to announce this with me? No, I only announced base openings. It's a very, you know, it has an impact, obviously. And so to move it out of the political spectrum and into a more...

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  36. He ultimately became head of the House Republican Conference, but really kind of what made his name was he passed the base closure bill, the base closing and realignment act. And that's still in effect today, that is the process by which we determine what basis, military basis to keep open or close or consolidate, which is as sensible.

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  37. He was a freshman member of Congress who was elected in nineteen eighty four, a big landslide year obviously for president Reagan.

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  38. Who was a Democrat Andy Ireland. Yes. And I thought that was perfect for you. But he became a Republican in the realignment in 1984. He ran as a Republican and changed parties. And that's when I became a Republican.

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  39. It did one of the guys I was parking cars with and the neat thing about parking cars there, it's all, it's students from all the different colleges from around the District of Columbia. And so you got to meet kids from Georgetown and American and Howard and Catholic and Trinity, and that was very interesting. And one of them had an internship in one of the offices on the house side and said there was another internship available. It's a good office you should intern there. So I applied for the internship. And that led to a job. And that led to another job and another job.

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  40. Senate parking lot. And that's how I ended up Getting into politics, I actually wanted to go into journalism and was going to study, and I was studying communications and journalism, and I was the sports editor at the school paper. Right about sports, I saw that, yeah.

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  41. I did. And it wasn't my intention. I was originally wanted to go to school in New England, but I got rejected and ended up in Washington, D.C. at Catholic University, which is where I was meant to be. And I worked my way through school. I took out student loans and I parked cars

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  42. My father became an independent registered independent and couldn't bring himself to be a Republican, but he grew disenchanted with the Democratic Party under Jimmy Carter. And he found Reagan very appealing like a lot of ethnic Democrats in the Midwest and the Northeast in 1980 and 84.

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  43. JFK in the house and our home a picture of JFK and Pope John Seeds of Peace. And so that was the culture that I grew up in.

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  44. There was a shot and a beer kind of place. There was no tap. You know, it was all just long neck. I always say you could get a mixed drink of all the ingredients were in the name of the drink. Seven and seven we could make a vodka orange juice, we could make that. But it was a very... You know, working class family, and we cared about and were interested in politics, they were Democrats, and I was born a Democrat. If you're Irish and Catholic, born in New Jersey in 1961, the year John F. Kennedy has won in, they all but stamp it on your birth certificate. Over to you, my father became a picture of JFK.

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  45. Well, you know, I'm one of six children, and she had six children in the public schools, and I think she was concerned about the schools. You know, we weren't a political family. My father was, you know, as a grocer and standing behind that grocery store counter, people would come in and out of the store all day long and they would ask him what he thought about different races and that kind of thing.

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  46. The first race I ever worked on was when I was nine years old, and my mother was the first woman ever elected to the school board in our town. And so she shadowed a glass ceiling, was a trailblazer. And president.

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  47. He was decorated World War II infantry leader. Both my parents are laid to rest in a veterans cemetery and my father, two Purple Hearts, Bronstar and a silver star in World War II, 29th Infantry. And I always say Jack Gillespie was born in Donegal, Ireland, but he died a great American. And he instilled that in us. And I believe to this day that people who come here legally and become Americans are patriotic Americans and first generation Americans, very patriotic. We've seen the blessings of liberty in this country and my family.

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  48. Thank you. Great to be with you. My father came to this country as a boy from Ireland. He was eight years old, and his grandfather had found work in America and my grandfather was a janitor. He worked at a big bank building in Philadelphia, and he'd go in after the bank closed six o'clock at night and he'd start an eight hour shift, and he'd start on the ground floor emptying the waste baskets and mop in the floors and over the course of an eight hour shift he'd work his way to the top story. And the last thing he would do would be to polish the big wooden conference table in the boardroom and get home around two thirty, two forty five in the morning. My parents didn't go to college, neither one. Two of the smartest and hardest working people I've ever known. They worked on their feet all day in a grocery store. The JNC market and JNC were Jack and Connie. And that was my mom and dad. It was a mom and pop grocery store. And in my family, when you turn 12, you got a birthday cake and a present in a four-hour shift at the JC market. We all worked in that grocery store.

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