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Emily Chang

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first: 2018-02-05
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“Yeah, I would argue. But Is good business. I agree. I agree. I'm always arguing that you shouldn't have. At one point, I was like, it's good business, but you know what? It's because it's the right thing. Oh my God, why do I even have, why is doing the right thing the wrong thing, like kind of thing, which was interesting. I mean, what are you an oil company? Anyway, you're not an oil company And then I always finish with you're so poor, all you have is money, which I think is the thing. They're so wealthy. They're so privileged.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That he wouldn't work. Started over There are guys out there who I gotta say, I don't want to think of men as allies. It's in their interests. It's like they're humans. That's the thing. Sometimes it's like men are allies. I'm like, how about it matters? Like for everybody's life on this planet, like that's the thing that I think we say, thank you so much. And men get much applauded for doing the decent thing. You shouldn't get applauded for that. You should just do it because it's the right thing to do or because it's better for your business. I don't care whatever. It is always better for your business.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, he's already tried. He says he tried that he wouldn't. It didn't work. Well, he tells me in the book that he would have done it all differently if he could have started over. And so I think that's important to be willing to admit that you learn something Stuart Butterfield. There are guys out there who get it and we need more of them.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And now I am, you know, I'm talking at the women's conferences. I'm focusing on the culture. I don't use words like meritocracy. And I love hearing that. Dick Costalo, you know, after he left Twitter when he started his new thing, he's like, I'm not hiring another man until I hire another woman. Yeah.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I simply think that so first of all, I want to talk about some of the amazing men that I interviewed who really, like Max Levchin, who told me I did everything wrong at PayPal. We hired our friends. I didn't understand what I was doing.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh, gosh. We will not get in there. Don't get us started. And we're lucky. And by the way, we're very lucky. We make enough money so that we can afford good childcare. But most people don't. And it holds people back. And it's almost always the women that get hold back much more so than the men.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Attention to it Women These got to be rethought because it really does create, and there's different strategies, negotiating or no negotiating societal problems we have overall in terms of women being aggressive and not being some, it's the way it's set up creates the situation and then it creates the inequity and then it goes one after the neither which is I think pay is where it has to start.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We all have to pay more attention to it. Like, men aren't going to do this by themselves. Women can't do this by themselves. I do think there's an incredible movement of women helping each other. And I love that.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Nobody knows, and it has a lot of societal things too. I manage people and I think men are much more aggressive. They just are. There's just no way around it, in my experience. But it's also, I keep thinking I've got to pay more attention to it.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Which that is so easy. That is so easy. Pay people the same. People the same. And when you're in an interesting I was talking to someone who used to work at Twitter, and this person was like, oh my God, if you looked at the numbers. It's so bad when you see just how differently people are paid, and nobody knows.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I know Make a Marsha Zucker. Oh gosh, yeah. No, 50-50. 50-50 CEOs on boards of VCs. Oh my goodness, how different the world would be. You know, so much bad behavior just goes unchecked because there's no women in the room. Behaving just the same way you wouldn't, like if you're sitting in the frat house, right? Like No one's watching But you know, when there is diversity of people around the table and diversity of background and thought, like things change. Ageism is totally underreport of in Silicon Valley. That's another.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Parents out there who want their kids to get into this industry, like their daughters aren't going to have a chance unless. This place changes, and it's not just about the people who want to work here, it's about the products that sons are”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's like the past, right? You know what I mean? It was like in the 80s. Totally. And everywhere, not just. I have three sons. I have sons too, and their lives will be better in a more equal world. And for all the...”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Actually, you can. It is worse. Stop thinking of the Leonardo DiCaprio movie. That's like the past, right? You know what I mean? It was like in the 80s. There's plenty of sexism in finance, but still.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The top banks are 50 50 The top banks are 50. When I started this, do you know how many people said to me, can't be worse than Wall Street? Like, actually can't. It is worse than Wallace. Stop thinking of the Lanard degree.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I do think that the hypocrisy of this industry is one of the worst parts. I mean, there's Oh, we're changing them. Don't be evil. Connect the world. We're better than we're smarter than everyone. We know better than you. And yet, they have, you know, the worst numbers. I mean, Wall Street has better numbers than Silicon Valley.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I get it, but I think they don't care. You know what I mean? Like on some level, what bothers me the most is this is a group of people that talk about changing the world. They talk about like they're better, they talk about them being better than other people. Honestly, I don't expect you from the Wall Street people and the Hollywood people, I'm not surprised they behave this way. Like, I don't think they ever pretended otherwise. And although I hate it, like that's different. But these people put themselves out as better.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's important to understand the problem before we can figure out how to solve it. Right. And every chapter is sort of a lesson in itself about What can we take away from this time in history, or what can we take away from this issue? But I do believe that if this is not a four-con conclusion, this is not a fait accompli. You've got the smartest people in the world here. If they can change all these things, they can change this too.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think everybody needs to lead on this issue. Everybody needs to take a closer look at how they're running their companies, how they're behaving. And I think the reality is men right now have the power and the money and they should be the first ones to change. And they can do it today. They can do it today. I interviewed, I talk about this in the book, I interviewed Peter Thiel at the Lendit Conference. This is a guy who's exploring the bounds of space and building ocean communities. That's some very disturbing things about women believes in immortality. And when I asked him about the lack of women, he said, yeah, you're right. There really just aren't enough. I don't know what to do about it”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, exactly. So it was interesting, but even the very best intentioned man, a lot of them didn't a lot of people when Susan's stuff came out or Alan's were like, I had no idea. So where is the leadership from your perspective?”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's time. No, no, I think we have to join the time zone thing. I think they're organizing a tech version of it. But what can be put into place now going forward? Does there have to be women? You interviewed a lot of women. You interviewed Cheryl and others. And obviously you talked to Brianna Wilround Gamergay because that was, to me, the most vicious attacks on women that I've seen in a lot. Those are scary. Those are actually. They're all awful, but those were particularly vehemently misogynist. And then you have James DeMoore pop up. And you have women who are in positions of power, but do they really have to be the ones to clean it up?”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I know, but 10 years ago. Right. Like, nothing's changed. Right. So, do you think this Miji Moon has a real? Because Tollywood's obviously, they've created the Me Too moon, they have Times Up. It's moving here, from what I understand. There's all kinds of activity around. It's time.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But it was 10 happening for two. No, no, no, but it was 10 years ago. Right. Like nothing's changed. Right. Nothing's changed. It's still happening. And yet we're here saying we're changing the world.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It was like a fascinating, like, literally, that was the party they had, and then pretend to pause and then I thought, oh my God, a decade ago, I wrote about Yahoo and a strip club thing where they were gyrating on programmers. I remember writing that piece. And of course, Carol Bart's shut it right down, but how did they imagine that was okay at the time? But it was 10 happen”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Young men own Bitcoin. Right. Which is really interesting. And then they, of course, what did they have? A strip club party. Literally. I was like, really Bitcoin broke? Was there like a book? Like time for the strip club party. Next we will like bother women at work”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh my goodness. I mean, AI, machine learning, all of this discrimination is going to get rewritten into these algorithms. And if robots are going to be running the world, like. They can't be programmed by men alone. Right.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Do something better. And so the last. Like 10 pages of the book, I interview these six teenage girls. They're also scared they hear these stories they knew about Travis meditating in the lactation room. They knew”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think absolutely It was interesting because during the Uber stuff, which we wrote a lot, a lot of people wrote about it was, oh, don't be so hard. I remember getting a lot of pressure from board members. Don't be so hard. I'm like, no, I think I will. I'm going to keep doing it. Or you can stop now. Same thing around a lot of the Twitter Facebook social media stuff, Karen. That's enough lecturing. I'm like, not yet, not yet. Not until you all stay down and do something better.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And pay people what they're worth. It has such an impact on how valuable you feel. I think VCs need to hire women. I think that's pretty obvious. Absolutely. I think LPs need to take a greater role in putting pressure on these funds to hire women and holding the boards of these companies, as you said with Uber, need to hold company leadership to account when they're hiring women in their management ranks and hiring women on the interest.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Two, expand your idea of who can do this job. Three change need to start from the top. CEOs need to take this on. And I have a lot more prescriptive things in the book. You know, one of the things, you know, we talk about Slack is if you just try to change awareness, that might not really fix the problem. But if you give people actions that they can do, that will be effective. So whether it's diversifying your recruiting captains, you know, being explicit about your priorities, structured review and feedback systems. Pay people fairly. The pay gap in Silicon Valley is five times the national average. Right, yeah, that's a big deal. Also, easy, right? These companies have a lot of money. Just pay people fairly.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, they were like, you could be a divorce, a wife who's mad at their husband inside. You could be a feminist. I don't know. They had like nine reasons why women couldn't go on alone. So I just found a guy. I'm like, take me in now. But I wasn't planning. I didn't want to have a debate with the bouncer about feminism at all. In any case, so let's talk about solutions. You're obviously trying to solve something here. You're saying how do you break it up? I think that's a big goal, breaking it up. But what has to happen? Name like six, five things that you think have to occur.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In the middle, I was like, oh, I wanted to ask you about this. And I was like, so I'm just going to come in here and ask you about it. It was really funny. You know how to find a pair. I know, but I was like, I'm not going to let them stop me. Although interestingly, I had to find a man to take me in.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, but so the women can't go. I just go in. I went to a strip club in Vegas during CES because I had her meet someone. And I cannot tell you how horrified the men were that I was there. I was like, hey, hey. And it was all people I knew and they were like, you're here. And I'm like, yeah, so yeah. You're like, Anne, I'm live tweeting. I'm live tweeting. No, but it was interesting about it is I had no like, I don't, I think strip clubs are awful. I just think they're juvenile and awful and just so diminishing of women. I just, I could go on and on about them. They're so stupid on their face of it. They're not even sexual. They're just like awful. But at the same time, when I was in there, I was like sort of like, yeah, I'm here. And like, I'm not embarrassed to be here. And I don't feel diminished by it. Like, I'm just going to, and it was really interesting how nervous people were. They were like, why are you here? What are you? And you tell my wife? I was like, oh, so it is something you don't aren't proud of. Like, aren't you proud of being here? Like, you're so fast forward. And it was a really interesting experience because it was during CES and I did run into people and I do have a”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Are they really comfortable there? I mean, I went to the Gold Club, which is a strip club in Soma. And at 11.45 on a Friday, the a.m. on a Friday, the line is out the door for lunch. It's just a $5 lunch, so it's pretty cheap by San Francisco standards. And most of the people in there are tech. And they're going with their colleagues. Right. They're going with their boss. They're doing deals.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Confirms this all the time. They're leaving in the middle of the day. Right. And if you didn't go, you're not part of the gang. And so they're like, oh, we're equally inviting you, but you really want to go there. Are they really comfortable there?”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I don't socialize as much In the industry anymore, either. And I do think, and I think especially when you've got a lot of young people together, they don't necessarily know what the boundaries are. I mean, and this rises to the level of what's happening in a corporate culture. I mean, I talked to a couple female engineers who said at Uber they were invited to strip clubs and bondage clubs. I mean, Susan Fowler confirms this all the time. They were leaving in the middle of the day to go drinking. Right.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, and also the problem is you do mix in every profession. There's a social mix going on, which is interesting because it's hard not to. I've stopped going to a lot of stuff. It's oddly enough. It's interesting because I don't see the benefit in it.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I talk to a co founding team that was broken up, essentially, because somebody got involved in this and the other person didn't like it. The reality is it's a lot more about power than it is about sex. Absolutely.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“This is Silicon Valley. I guess I have to be cool with this. Some of this behavior in some circles has become the norm. And I spoke to a number of women who felt completely shut out. Like if it was damned if you do, damned if you don't. If they went, they would never get an investment from those people. If they didn't go, they would never get an investment from those people.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I spoke to men who felt that they were changing the world and challenging social mores by participating in this scene. And, you know, I spoke to women who a couple women from other countries, they were entrepreneurs and they showed up at these parties. were completely shocked. Oh.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Pretty black to me. I've never been in a medal actually. I can't imagine it would want me in a cuddle To your whole point. And I've been researching this particular topic for two years. So, you know, I was sitting on this for a while and I was just happy to get it off my chest and out into the world. And I've spoken to over three dozen people who've been affected by this. Either they went to these parties or they felt shut out by these parties. Men and women. Right.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“This party who felt uncomfortable and there were reports of drugs, and I spoke to a young woman who was given drugs and was pulled into one of these cuddle puddles and felt pressured into sexual activity. This is at a company-sponsored event. Right. I think I saw you say something about how company sponsored events should be Cuddle Puddle free. Great, right? Yes.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You're talking about one specific party which was a company sponsored part. This was a company sponsored party sponsored by DFJ and DFJ apologized for the party when they found out what happened. And I spoke to a lot of people.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Whereas, you know, men, this is sort of like the modern day golf course. And, you know, they can pile around with their buddies. And, you know, they don't get penalized or discredited because they're there But women do”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, and in Silicon Valley, work lies bleed into personal lives more than perhaps any other industry. And, you know, it is a gray area. And unfortunately, it's making a lot of women feel uncomfortable and disempowered. Silicon Valley, the Bay Area has this long tradition of sexual positivity and sexual exploration. And that's wonderful. Unfortunately, women can't participate in this scene without being victims of a double standard because there's this whole whisper network around who was there. I think that was the most important.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They certainly. I'm glad they did speak up finally, but it's sort of a while. Took a while. Yeah, it took a while, which was interesting. So let's get into this sex part. I have heard of sex parties, but not the cuddle puddles. I've heard of just like the people here, they go off, they hire prostitutes and have a party in Malibu or wherever the hell they're having parties. I don't care about that. If they want to, look, I don't love it. I don't condone it like I don't care like on some level. I live in San Francisco, so there's a part of me is like, all right, if you want to, that's the way you want to get off. But you were trying to get to something else in that section, and it was much pushback on. So talk a little bit, explain, cuttle paws where they all sit and hug each other, right? Yes.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Affected everyone and brought me down. And also, I think the enablers who allowed it to go on, I blame them more than anyone. I get that everyone was like cheering benchmark. I'm like, but do you built a monster? How did you not stop? Don't start to say you hate the monster when you build the monster.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think it came from the top. I think you had willfulness to break the law. I think it was created a dysfunctional culture. I give them full credit for what they built. It's an incredible service that a lot of people use and need. But I think in that case, there was just some. Glaring, you know, leadership issues that affected everyone.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think it's more than that. Right. I mean, I think it was just sort of like a bad example of what's happening here on steroids. It had everything, didn't it? It had everything. And then, you know, there were journalists all over the place and all of these stories that never would have been. I mean, think of that strip club story never been told. That is a story that happens way more than anyone would like to believe that never gets told. And it got told. Right.”
2018-02-05 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How to fix Silicon Valley's 'Brotopia' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It is. It is. It is a tax. And yet they love their jobs. They love the products they're making. They're so excited to be working here. We gotta make this place better for them. And I fully believe that we can. It's not too late. It didn't have to be this way, but it also doesn't have to be this way. Right.”
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