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  1. “Yeah, I'll finish on a story. It was at Google, and they had those bicycles and are now in all the cities, the colorful bicycles. And Sergei was the one that was really pushing them. And years ago, he said, I'm going to drop 100,000 bikes in New York City, and this many will get stolen. And he had the whole calculation worked out. Like 82% will get stolen, and then I'll put another 100,000. And so they put the bikes around Google to try those colorful bikes around Mountain View. And he's like, what do you think of our bikes? They said, all I want to do is take my car and run them down. Like, I hate them. I hate the whole bike idea. And so he was like, what? Like horrified. And I'm like, I just, it's so optimistically horrible what you're doing. And I remember, and he just looked at me like, I was like a serial killer. But in any case, it's an attitude. It's a mental. I would never have created Google. Let me just say.”

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  2. “I agree. I like that about them. It's one of the fun things about this industry, but it's also one of the irritating things about the industry when they don't notice sort of obvious things that could happen”

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  3. “Yeah, no, I agree with everything you said. I can't add a lot, but the kind of person who decides in college that they're going to start a thing that is going to change the world and then actually manages to start a thing that changes the world has a particular worldview, like obviously has that kind of worldview, an optimistic worldview and everything that's happened sort of confirms that worldview. And so you come to a point where you release a new product and optimism is like the lens through which you view that.”

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  4. “You all agree with each other, and you need irritants in there saying what? What did you just say, Mark? Come on. They all're aggressively agreeing with each other. And there's such a cohesive group of people. It's a problem when they have this much power. And I don't mean to say they're evil. They're hard, but they just can't help, like they can't see outside their little groupthink. And I think, and lack of diversity is at the heart of it, really. Lack of diversity is always at the heart of these kind of things. And then lastly, they have a personality, which is a great personality trait, which is optimism and opportunity. So they see opportunity and optimism all the time, and they don't see the obstacles. And that's what makes them great, and that's what's going to kill them. The kind of person finished.”

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  5. “And they need it helps their business. I mean, Elon Musk has been the critic of AI. We had him at Code a couple years ago and he was attacking Google and Facebook because they really do control all of AI. Let me just say, you don't understand. And it's, by the way, all white guys doing it. But he thinks he feels that AI will advance so much that it will start, it's not going to be like a terminator where they're going to kill us, but we're going to be like house cats. They're going to treat us like the computers will treat us like house cats. And that's it. That's how they don't care. They'll feed us. Maybe. Maybe they won't. So anyway.”

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  6. “I mean, I don't know what you can do to stop these companies from growing and becoming more powerful. But what I will say is one of the reasons that Google is a leader in AI is because the American government is not a leader in AI. The American government has sort of stopped funding the kinds of things that he came to. Became the internet, right? That was created by the government. That was funded by the kinds of things that China is doing with AI, where you have huge public money going to start technology and then you don't have it owned by one or two or three or four companies. We don't really have that anymore. And so the reason that Amazon is building national infrastructure is because no one else is.”

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  7. “I don't know because I think they're incompetent as can be. I just don't want, you know, we are leading in innovation. We have the most innovative companies in this country, technology companies. They're all here. But guess what China's moving fast and moving hard like a lot of those companies? And I don't know. I think they just voted on a guy for his life just the other day. Not the kind of government I'm interested in. So I think that's one of the issues is if China starts getting a hold of this and they are doing real well and they're not copying us, they're innovating. That's a problem. And I've always found it a problem that our phones are made there. I don't think that's a particularly good.”

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  8. “Accountants, lawyers, high paying jobs are going to be moved, and I'm not a Luddite, I love technology, but high-paying jobs, anything that can be digitized into a job is going to be digitized, period. And you're going to see it happen really quickly in ways that I think you're not going to.”

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  9. “This farming to manufacturing, and they're like, Oh, the reason I got the idea for it was Mark Andreessen was like acted like it was no big. He's like, it's like farming to manufacturing. It was so much better with manufacturing. I was like, no, it really wasn't for those 70 years. All these people lost their jobs. And I said, what happened to the blacksmiths? He goes, who cares what happened to blacksmiths? I go, well, the blacksmiths had a family, and they vote now. I was like, there's populism, there's dangerous populism, there's all kinds of things you have to think about. So I do think people will begin to care when they start to see real job, like when an accountant, I'll get to here in a second, let me just tell you, if your son's a radiologist, don't let him be a radiologist. You don't need him with computers.”

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  10. “Except, I think the stuff coming, they're not going to be so proud. This automation AI automation self-driving, when those things start to really kick in that companies are not going to be beloved, you know, the people who bring self-driving cars eliminate all these driver jobs. Automation eliminates all these warehouse jobs. Mining is done by robots. You're going to start to, and by the way, mining probably should be done by robots because people die of black lung and every, you know what I mean? So I think there's going to be, my feeling is that we're doing a series on MSNBC about this talking to tech companies about it because I think there's some technologies coming that are just gerbin to jobs. I think it's very much like the farming to manufacturing shift, except it's going to happen at a compressed time period. And there's so much social unrest during that farming menu. The problem with Americans is we're so friggin' ignorant of our history. We've been through.”

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  11. “I think the media has been, I don't think there's wide public discontent with the tech companies. Like you look at surveys, you look at how much people are still using Facebook and the others. I think people generally love these companies, generally keep using them, weren't I mean, maybe people were. The one thing that's interesting is lately there's been talk of tech addiction and people worry about their kids using it. I think there is genuine worry about that. But in other ways, lots of Americans still sort of see these companies as being are proud of these companies, I think.”

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  12. “It is making good. And right now their new thing is to have. The people of Facebook decide what are the real news organizations. Right. Which seems crazy. They cannot just pick a New York Times, pick a Breitbart, pick of this. You could pick. They don't want to even pick, so they're going to let the people pick I'm gonna go with someone else who tried that. They tried that. They had labels on it. It didn't work. You can't keep up. Yeah, they tried some tried so big that you don't even understand how enormous the loading of information onto these platforms are. So computers can't handle it. People certainly can't handle it. It's just a monster that grows every day. Another question over here.”

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  13. “I mean, if you want to make video, you would have to put it on YouTube. I mean, I think the other thing is, it's hard to call it censorship when their entire systems are already kind of rank content and are based on algorithms that give you preferential content. So Facebook doesn't show you everything from all your friends. It shows you what it thinks you're going to like. And so one of the arguments for Facebook to kind of clean up its platform is to change its algorithm to show you things you're going to like that are true. So, I mean, if it already is making some judgments about what you like.”

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  14. “No, this was meant to be a real article. It wasn't meant to be a parody. It was like a fake news organization. What it is is that my argument to them is it's bad for their business to have this crap on there. It's like a cesspool. And so I think they, I don't think it's good. It's like having a store, like a target, and over here is the adult horn section. They just, the target doesn't have an adult horn section. It's just not their business. And so I think it creates, I think the problem is that they have so much control. They're the only game in town, really.”

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  15. “We censor those two medias because they're accessible to everybody in a public sense. And if you're turning something on that, You can't control it. You can go through and listen to something and you get an offensive word that is a large audience. Whereas if you go on the internet, you're actually searching for something and trying to find, and you can create filters for that. And so what also differentiates...”

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  16. “Right, and I also think that part of it is not just that it's on their platform, but the question of whether they're encouraging it, right? So Logan Paul posted that video because there's a monetary system in place for him to make money from that video. I think that's the question. And so a lot of the fake news also before the election was people who created entire sites that seemed like news sites that weren't, but were getting ad money from it, like Google AdWords money from it or Facebook money from it. And so it was just kind of a monetary thing. And that kind of system, not just, that sort of encourages Misinformation and other sort of bad stuff that you might that might not have been there if the kind of platforms hadn't been there.”

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  17. “That's an argument for it. It's just my argument against it is that this is their platform and this is not what they stand for. You can get that video other places on the internet, by the way. It's all over the place. They want it as an example of their platform. Of their business”

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  18. “I got very concerned. I mean, a lot of things you're saying is anti-press, anti-free press. It's saying control because China is controlling everything Europe wants to control certain kind of media, certain kind of, I think what you need to do, maybe if you create a rating system, a ranking system, something you can inform at the bottom. But taking away my chances to see that video that I want to see now because it's a Japanese thing, because there's such a controversy.”

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  19. “Ryan, he was saying often he was going to go after Amazon, he was going to shut down various tech companies, but has not done any of that. I mean, the people he's appointed to the FTC have aren't likely to do that.”

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  20. “A lot of them don't What's happening in Europe is where you should watch. Marguerite Vesker, we did a couple really good interviews with her. She's been really on them in a way that no U.S. regulator has done. The U.S. regulators have passed and passed and passed again. The FDC, all of them. Yeah.”

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  21. “And whether it can be changed and how people should think about antitrust with regard to the tech companies, because they don't fit, a lot of them don't fit the kind of classic model that we thought of with like AT&T and even Microsoft.”

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  22. “Amazon, the case is much harder to make, right? They're not the biggest retailer. They're not even the biggest digital retailer. I mean, they're the biggest digital retailer, but they're not the majority of digital retail at this point. At some point, they will be very soon. But they're under 50% of that. I think that with Amazon, people worry about they're just crazy growth and that at some point they will be. And so you should be worried in the future. And also their kind of the scope of their obvious scope of their ambitions. They're going to be in physical retail, digital retail, and all logistics. Yeah, the entire chain of retail. But there's this reexamination now of antitrust law and how and.”

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  23. “Downgraded given lower impact in Google search because Google had its own product, you'd sort of systematically, if you look at Google search results, they favor Google's own products. You could say it's like classic what happened in the Microsoft case. And they are, Google is both, you know, Google and Facebook are the biggest digital ad companies. They're on the way to becoming the biggest ad companies of any kind. Google is the biggest search engine. There's a lot of kind of clear.”

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  24. “I think there's a good argument for that for Google, but I'm not an antitrust lawyer. But I've spoken the case for breaking up the tech companies is best against Google for reasons that for Google search there was kind of a long-running question of are they suppressing other companies that are providing information on the web like Yelp was the classic example, right? So Yelp is a restaurant review site and complained to the FTC that its reviews were being”

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  25. “I mean, I think it'll be interesting in the next Democratic primary. Do we see a big anti-tech push and does that affect, I mean, it will affect how much money they get from tech, but like tech's political power, it'll be different under the next Democratic president than it was under the last Democratic president.”

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  26. “Right, jobs like the news environment, politics. I mean, one thing that's super interesting to me is we talked about how the government is not sort of, at least the current government, it's not going to stop them. I do think it's interesting that these tech companies have mostly given sort of aligned themselves with Democrats. I wonder, there's becoming this sort of schism, I think, in the Democratic Party. Are Democrats going to fight the tech companies? There are some who are, on the other hand, there are some who get a lot of money from Denmark.”

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  27. “Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that is the big worry with Amazon. I mean, you can think of them as like an infrastructure company that's remaking most of commerce in America, either directly or by inspiring competitors to do things like that. And it's going to have fast consequences.”

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  28. “No need for them. You know what I mean? Like, no need. And they're right. They're correct. Why should have someone do something that a robot can do, except for just having the people? It's just because they're quaint or something like that. So robotics automation, AI, self-driving, there's going to be job loss because of all these technologies coming. Problem?”

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  29. “So, in ending up, and then we'll ask questions from the audience do you think they do now see the tide turning us and the effect on jobs of AI? We didn't even get into self-driving. Self driving, AI, robotics. I saw an Amazon warehouse that terrified me and fascinated me at the same time.”

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  30. “And so it was a really, I think a lot of these companies with so much power over Amazon, over our commerce, over our interactions, I think I give much of my salary to Amazon at this point. I feel like I do.”

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  31. “Well, not today. Right. Not today. I mean, one of the things I'll never forget, I wrote a piece when Google was trying to buy, take Yahoo's search business, which would have meant they had all search. Almost all search at the time because it's pre Ming. And I said, I wrote a column saying I don't want them to do this. The government needs to step in. And I said, you know, the Google people are like, we're good people. That story you hear from all of them. And I think I wrote a line that said at least Microsoft knew they were thugs, which they didn't like, which Larry didn't like, and he called moves. And I'm not a thug. And I said, well, you're not. And he goes, why do you think bad things? I said, well, you seem okay, but I don't know who's going to run Google in 20 years. I don't know who that person. It could be a terrible person.”

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  32. “To the frightful Think Amazon I mean, I think you could see a future where Amazon is that Microsoft type company that owns everything. The way that Amazon operates, its business structure is to spider out into lots of different, create products and then offer them to everyone, become this platform. And you can imagine all of us at some point paying some kind of Amazon tax on every product we buy, every shipment we get, every food order you get could be part of Amazon, but perhaps not in an evil way.”

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  33. “Yeah, I think that they seem to be, and Jeff Bezos himself, I mean, is doing things like saving a journalistic institution that needed saving and is doing it in a way that is inspiring. So I think they're seen now as a perhaps not like a totalitarian force for evil and getting”

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  34. “Amazon is going through, I think, an interesting transition, like a public image transition. A few years ago, I think Amazon was regarded as kind of going to be something like the digital Walmart. People who used it loved it, but a lot of people in America thought that it was going to devastate retail and ruin a lot of people's jobs. I think people still worry about that, but they've been kind of masterful about their PR recently. I mean, The headquarters thing, the announcement that they're going to do something on healthcare, nobody knows what, but everyone was overjoyed about the idea that Amazon would fix healthcare.”

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  35. “A bunch of adults mostly think about the consequences of their products and they're not in any way a monopoly. I mean, they charge a lot for their products. And so, you know, even in the US, this share of the iPhone is like under 50%. So you don't see them, I mean, they're huge and they're the most valuable company on the planet, but they seem to run the company in a different way.”

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  36. “I don't want to finish up, and then we have questions from the audience. We have a few minutes for questions from the audience Amazon and Apple. How do you look at them as, do they need taming? Apple seems like a bunch of adults. I always enjoy going over there because it's like...”

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  37. “So, who does here? Who controls them? Think the government is going to intervene at all. I think the government, I had a huge argument with President Obama in an interview saying the government needs to step in, they never stepped in with Google, never stepped in”

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  38. “I mean, in other countries in Europe, it seems like it will be government. I mean, one of the things you'll see in Europe is Europeans regulators are even more concerned because it's not just big tech companies, but it's big American tech companies that are determining business and culture and news and kind of everything else over there. And so you see a lot more activist regulators. Right. And so there, I mean, it could be government. Here, it seems like both the First Amendment won't allow that. Various laws that we have about technology won't allow that.”

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  39. “But it's complicated, right? So one of the things we talk about is how powerful these companies are. Actually, you know, could in the long run be more dangerous, right? I don't know if I want Mark Zuckerberg to decide what the Times is allowed to say on Facebook. And so I think that there needs to be some responsibility and a lot of perhaps a lot more responsibility from these companies. But at the same time asking them to exercise that responsibility is asking them to exercise a greater degree of power.”

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  40. “And so I kept writing Facebook, why can't you take this down? She's not a lizard. And they're like, well, you know, and I'm like, not a lizard. Take it down. Why is I going? Well, people posted. I'm like, they can't post that she's a lizard. Like, you can't let them do that. It wasn't a joke. It was a fake. It was an absolutely beautiful, fake news story. And so I had millions of views, which was fascinating to me. that I'm sitting there like a crazy person saying Hillary Clinton's not a lizard was crazy making to me and you know then obviously other Russians did it this agency in St. Petersburg super adept at it I mean”

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  41. “So what do they do? What do they do? AI is the thing they always throw at you. AI is going to fix it or we've got algorithms that are going to work it out or something like that. What do you imagine victim? Because one of the, you know, I had this argument, I interviewed Hillary Clinton last year at Code, and she didn't know about this. There was a story on Facebook. It was a fake story. It was a fake news story which discussed her being a lizard, that she was actually a lizard. under her skin she was a lizard. Not factually correct”

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  42. “I think that YouTube, I mean, I think YouTube, like Facebook. Now seems to want to do something, and now it's sort of deciding like a technical matter and a business model matter. I don't know if they'll solve it. The other thing is that this problem for YouTube is going to get much harder because one of the things that's happening is like it's much easier. It's becoming much easier to create fake videos that look like real news. You can create now using very easy technology, like videos of Barack Obama saying things that he didn't say or Donald Trump saying things that he didn't say. We're entering this period where technology is going to make the fake versus real problem very difficult for normal human beings to figure out and then video has such power that people are going to see this stuff and believe it and a company like YouTube is going to have to like figure out how to”

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  43. “She understood the thing of it. One of the things this was at an event at YouTube I was at, and one of the employees said, you're right, we used to only worry about cat videos, and now we're in a college ethical debate every day of our lives. What should we take off? What should we put on? What should we censor? And they're very loath to censoring. And I think that censoring could say we have values and you're violating them and we're going to toss you off.”

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  44. “You have all kinds of things, but it's being flooded by hate speech. And again, the alt-right once again has invaded it really beautifully using the platforms beautifully. I just was at a conference where I interviewed the head of the ADL, Jonathan Greenblatt, and I pulled up the YouTube videos. And the Google search for ADL will find the regular things, ADL, home site for ADL. Here's some news stories. It was all what you'd expect, okay? Like what you'd know if you were searching the correct stuff came up. When you searched it on YouTube, there were 25 anti-Semitic videos before you got to a video that was somewhat related to the ADL and then 100 more anti-Semitic videos, which was astonishing. And so I said, Susan, I know it's crazy, but there's this search company that's really famous that owns you. So I'm really not getting why you can't, what's going on on this platform. And so what's really, and she took it in good humor.”

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  45. “Jokes about a dead child sitting there. And so it took them a bit to throw them off, but they finally threw them off the platform. And so I just recently interviewed Susan at our Code Media Conference, and I said, when are you going to get the vial Logan off of the thing? And we had a really interesting discussion about what they are and whether they should, again, the same argument, are they just a platform? We're a platform who happens to have media. I think that's what Susan ended up saying. Or are they more than that? Should they do more? And one of the things she announced recently was adding 10,000 human beings to the mix to vet stuff. I feel like 10 million aren't enough because of the enormous load of videos that come onto that platform from across the world. I think it's $4 trillion. It's some number that's just astonishing. And so, again, you have videos of things pottery or whatever your kids like. You have news.”

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  46. “There's an enormous fan base. Logan Paul is a YouTuber who YouTube's tried to tame but has not been successful in it where he does a lot of wacky things. It's mostly tasteless crap. But what he did is he went into a place where Japanese teenagers hang themselves in a forest and took a picture of a dead body. I took a video of a dead body and thought it was funny. And then kind of made jokes.”

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  47. “Yeah, but like the kind of connection that my kids are fans of this, of other kids who are YouTube stars and these kids on YouTube mostly just open toys and play with them and get paid by toy companies. So my kids are watching like Basically, a long commercial. But they love these YouTube stars so much, like to the point that, I don't know, I think they're like the Beatles for my kids. And that kind of devotion.”

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  48. “We love you anyway. I think you just told you you're asshole. But I think his point was right today. It's like someone was like throwing puppies on it, like whatever crazy things to do. Like, and here we are at Logan Paul.”

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  49. “Right, right. It's interesting with YouTube. Years ago when Chad and Steve and the other founder was at one of our events, I also had George Lucas there, and they were huge Lucas fans, and they wanted to meet him, and he came in late. He walked in the door. And I said, George, this is the founders of YouTube. And he turned to me. He said, you're ruining all of media. I just want you to say that. It's like throwing puppies on a highway is what you do. And I was like, okay. They were thrilled to like great to meet you”

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  50. “I think YouTube is amazing. I think YouTube and is One of the things I like to do is I try various kinds of hobbies. So it's like doing pottery recently. You can just learn how to do pottery on YouTube. You can learn anything on YouTube if you want to be a cook, you can learn how to be a better cook on YouTube. It could be great. And I think that for many people, it's amazing.”

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