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Farhad Manjoo

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“That's kind of overhyped because people aren't searching for the name of the guy who did the bad thing. And so it's not a high traffic search, which I kind of believe. So I don't think it's the hugest problem, but I do think that it's one of the problems Think YouTube is”
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“Do an okay job? I mean, I think they've been doing, they also have been One of the things that's happened is that people have figured out how to game kind of every platform. And so people have figured out how to game Google's Google News, which then rises up to the top of Google's search results. Google News used to, and I think they still do. I mean, they have a pretty good policy of deciding what's news and what isn't, but part of Google News is like info wars, is like conspiracy sites now. And so sometimes, especially after big things happen, it's possible for bad actors to put out misinformation that then rises to the top of Google. Google says that”
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“So let's move on to Google and YouTube, which I think are two separate things. Google sort of remain the same as a search engine, tends to do a pretty good job about surfacing stuff. They clean out the algorithm to surface better news and stuff like that. Or do you not think that? Or do you think?”
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“I can't think of a good fix for Twitter. You can think of ways for Facebook to fix its problem, like Facebook could, I mean, not easily, but Facebook could hire a lot of journalists. Facebook could whitelist news sites, could figure out ways to make, or just sort of what they've done recently, which is remove a lot of news from the news feed. Twitter is... Kind of gone the other way, which is like they're deeper into news than before Facebook and Snapchat and others have kind of decided we're going to separate news from how people are talking about news, Twitter is just kind of very integrated into it. And I don't know, I can't think of how you remove the journalism business from Twitter because now it's just kind of become part of how newsrooms work.”
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“But you can't, like, if you're Maggie, you can't not be on Twitter. You sort of have to be. It's become part of being a journalist is to report news and then also sort of watch the story of how you're reporting is evolving on Twitter because you want to make sure that people aren't distorting what you say. You kind of have to, like you have two jobs, you have to report and then follow the fighting about your story.”
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“Normal person And professionals too. I'm a good friend of Maggie Haberman's in the New York Times. And she was responding to one of her critics. She gets a lot of critics on Twitter. She was responding, and I texted her. I'm like, Maggie, that's a Russian bot stop. Stop talking to the bot. Like, stop arguing with a bot. And she was arguing with a bot and she didn't even know it. And so I could see, like I was thinking, this is taking up precious time she should be reporting.”
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“You get a lot of misinformation out there. One of the things that, so after the school shooting two weeks ago, there was just so much completely false conspiracy theories being peddled that then sort of gained wider audience because people on Twitter were talking about it on Twitter that then leaks out into blogs and other places or on cable news. There were lots of sort of either Russian or otherwise bots sort of pushing stories. You just get the kind of news in ecosystem that we see now, which is just a mess for any normal person to kind of figure out what's true and what isn't.”
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“Right, so what happens to a platform like that? Twitter to me is a cesspool. I just don't know how else to put it. And I think when Facebook is not monitoring a lot of stuff, it's like a suburb where all of a sudden you have a lot of glass on the ground. Know it's starting to get a little messy and stuff. How does that affect news then if you're, you know, you and I rely on Twitter? We get a lot of our traffic from Twitter. I'll tell you it's one of our biggest traffic. We don't rely on Facebook as much as others. We rely on Twitter. So what happens then if the news organizat Having to deal with Twitter.”
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“Yeah, they count on harassment, trolling, all the anti-Semitic stuff that you find on there. You can report terrible stuff that happens on Twitter and they just will either take it down late or not take it down at all. And instead of the Mark Zuckerberg apology post, you get the Jack Dorsey, we're trying TweetStorm that then never materializes into actual policy.”
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“Yeah. And because of those policies and also because they've been completely negligent in a way that Facebook seems to, even if it's reactive, they do put people behind their platform and try to fix things when people call them on it. Twitter, the Senate call them and they just didn't respond. They didn't provide documentation to a Senate committee. They have been called on”
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“So let's move to Twitter. Same thing. You didn't include them in your frightful five, but when you think about a company like Twitter, they allow bullying, sexism, all kinds of attacks, trolling all over the place. You know, it's being used by President Trump in a really unusual way. Yeah, they're not in my... I'm being nice because I know Ted, you like Trump. I heard you like Trump. But he's using it, right? He's using Twitter in a certain way. He's taken control of the message and he's messaging people directly, which is incredibly powerful. And frankly, I think he's the best tweeter, one of the best tweeters. I don't like what he tweets, but he's real good at it. He's used it properly.”
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“Mark Zuckerberg apology post. But it's not the same apology post. It's such a good apology post he always does. But it's not as if it's like a pro. See, the thing is, it's not a product that if you buy it and your fingers fall off, you know what I mean? And then there's lawsuits, but your fingers fall off. The democracy dies. So it's not something you see or people get worse with each other. There are consequences that may aren't physical, but to the society.”
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“So, when I said unintended consequences, I mean sort of blindly, right? Like there's been a, Facebook especially has done this. Throughout their history, they sort of put things out and then months later realize it's something bad has happened or people don't like it. And then there's the Mark Zuckerberg apology post.”
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“And they're like, this is a beautiful platform for like Chubakamama or whatever. I don't know. And I was like, don't you even think what was fascinating to me that it never even, and even to say, like, it never occurred to us that human beings would do bad things. And it was like, have you not met a human being? No.”
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“I'm going to push back on that because when they did Facebook Live, and we'll get on to, we're going to get onto Google and YouTube in a second and Twitter, and we'll talk about Apple and the others very briefly. But when Facebook started Facebook Live, they showed journalists the product. And I was in a meeting with some of them and pretty high up at Facebook. And I was looking at it and I said, so what are you going to do about when someone murders someone? My first thing. And they said, What? And I said, Yeah, and suicide, someone's going to kill himself on this, or someone's going to bully and beat someone. I'm like, what are your tools? And they're like, Carrie, you're so negative. And I was like,”
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“Right. That they didn't, I feel like they didn't have control of their platform or know how it was being used. So, malevolent people could they build a platform that malevolent people could misuse very easily.”
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“You know, like scrambled how politics is done in a way that nobody could predict what happened. And the election was determined by fewer than 100,000 votes in a few places. It's plausible that something happened that was either sort of foreign actors or just like propaganda or very good Trump campaign thing that Facebook was involved in.”
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“Determined that Facebook, the role that Facebook played in the election was smaller than everyone says, that they're being sort of under siege from the media. I mean, I do think some of the Russian-influenced storyline has been overhyped. Like, I don't think that it's true that the Russians using Facebook alone affected the outcome of the election Facebook is such a huge source of news that it seems unquestionable to me that they played a part in changing the entire news ecosystem that made it both easier for propaganda to work.”
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“Yeah, I think it's So I think it was, I don't think they're secretly evil in getting paid for it. I think at first it was ignorance and like a denial. I think Mark himself, I've spoken to him, you've spoken to him over the last year and a half. He does seem to have gone through some kind of evolution about what he thinks the power of his platform is and is trying to do stuff about it. It's like the old George Bush Sr. message I care. He does seem to care and he wants to tell people that he cares and like he puts out these blog posts often saying that he cares. But I still don't think that he appreciates the power of his platform. And the other thing is the executives around him seem still seem very”
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“Got long, I know. I literally was like, you didn't finish college, right? Okay. So he's not used to being told. He's had what he does. And so we're not, how far hard and I don't worry that he's going to get into journalism. So he rolled that forward. He rolled it forward again and then it continued just to be one re-explanation after another. And when they first said, oh yeah, Russians are on the platform and have abused him. Malevolent actors have abused it. They again did the same thing where they said it's only a little. And I remember talking to one of the executives. I said, you can't say, don't say it if you don't know. If there's one cockroach, there's 50 cockroaches kind of thing. And please just don't say it. Don't say anything because I'm going to call you a liar next week if I have to. And so what is in the ethos of this particular company from your perspective from covering? I have some thoughts.”
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“Crazy. What a crazy thing that it would have any. When he said that, it was very clear they did, that there was some meddling by the Russians on this platform or using the platform, both in the ad area, but more importantly in the content area. A weekend later, he wrote a thing saying, well, maybe we have a little. Like there was a sort of slow roll forward. Maybe we have a little. And then he put it through in a number 1%, I think. Some of them, I think they just made up. Actually, texted them. I said, I think you just made up this number. I'm sorry. Can you explain it to me? And you better not say 1% of it later becomes 7 or 10 or whatever. Just stop. Like lying because you obviously have changed your story. And then over the course of a year he has sort of moved into, oh, okay, maybe it was more important than you think.”
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“But it's not like the New York Times is a new kind of media company. It was really interesting around, I don't know if you all have followed this, but the very last year when Mark was asked about this, about a year ago, he said Facebook had no impact on the crazy.”
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“That a company like Facebook, a platform that sees itself as more of a piece of technology than a news service wants to be in. It's a very tricky thing for how they see themselves, for the kinds of people who work there. They're a company of engineers, like all tech companies. To transform into something like The New York Times is just not, doesn't work for them.”
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“Yeah, I mean, lately they've been sort of talking about being more responsible and have hired journalists unclear kind of exactly what the journalists they've hired are doing. It's unclear to me in an overall way if the kind of fixes they're trying to make are going to work and even if they know kind of what the problem is and how to fix it, they're trying to be responsible, but I think that their major problem is that to be a responsible media company, you have to take positions, you have to decide what's factual and what's not, and they want to be a, you know, they want to be popular. They want people to use them. They don't want to be seen as, you know, like as deciding what fact is and what isn't in a polarized country here in the United States, but also just for the entire globe. That's not the position that a”
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“They're very insistent on not calling themselves a media company when I think they are a media company or they're a kind of media company. And therefore they abrogate the responsibility that comes with being. Like the New York Times cares if it's wrong. Recode cares if it's wrong and fixes it to being this place where anything gets dumped in and you can all sort it out.”
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“It's a bizarre and discernible. Do you think they've abrogated the responsibility? Because what you get from Facebook, which has been an ongoing argument I have with all of the executives all the time. I had an interview with one of them on stage at a conference a year ago, more than a year ago, talking about their responsibility to monitor these programs and control these programs, platforms. And most of what you get out of people from Facebook is it's a benign platform of which we are just a platform and we are not a media company”
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“Right. And in those countries, there's the additional problem of they don't have a lot of people there. They don't really sort of monitor what's going on there. There was all been a lot of stories about misinformation in Myanmar on Facebook leading to all of the problems we've seen in the ethnic cleansing there. And Facebook has half a dozen or so people and put them in late and sort of can't monitor that. And then just sort of like just thinking about how journalism works, like the idea that engineers in California are deciding the news ecosystem of countries very far away where they don't have people is just kind of a bizarre world.”
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“Right. And when you get into other countries like the Philippines or Southeast Asia, it gets really problematic because they're the only source of information, including the source of bad information.”
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“Some number like that, and I think there was a survey from Pew that suggested that close to half of all Americans consider Facebook a primary source of news, not the only source, but like a big part of how they get news. And if you think about the size of their audience in their reach, I mean they're bigger, not just in any other newspaper you can think of, most TV networks, but in a lot of cases like all the newspapers in the US combined are smaller than reach a smaller audience than Facebook.”
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“So, what is the implications of? Because let's start with, let's go through each of them Facebook, which I think is getting most of the attacks right now, and many of them deserved. Almost all of them deserved. Talk about them because they have affected news the most. Here's a company that was very similar to AOL in a lot of ways was going to help publishers and then turned on them, started charging them, started manipulating. Well, did the same thing in a really odd way. Talk about their power right now because I think my feeling is that I think 60% of news distribution happens on Facebook right now. Is that something?”
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“Like any of them did. I mean, it's much harder, and any startup now sort of has to kind of pay actual money to these companies, or in other ways, make deals with these companies. I mean, they run all the cloud services, they run the app stores, they run all the marketing channels.”
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“These powerful, most powerful companies. And that, say, a Google, which did start, by the way, in Susan Wajiski's garage of all things, again, the snake eats itself. That you could not do that today, that you couldn't have a company that pops through like a Facebook did, like any of them did.”
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“By the guys in the garage. Now, you know, they're fighting amongst themselves, and those fights are interesting and worth paying attention to, but they don't change the sort of overall structure of the business.”
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“Right, right. You know, you could argue that if the government hadn't stopped them, they could have used that browser monopoly to, you know, they could have used the OS monopoly to win the browser war, shut down everyone, and then stopped Google, for example. Right, right. Yes, they sued Uber, and they have this car program of their own. So it's that kind of thing where it's hard to imagine any startup beating any of these companies, pushing them sort of. And that was, you know, for a long time, that was kind of the story of Silicon Valley. You'd be at the top, and then you get hit by Google.”
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“Len asked him some questions. I don't remember the question. And he Gates turned to him and he goes, That is the stupidest question I've ever heard, which he's done to you, right? That is the stupidest question I've ever heard. And this was a time when the post was enormously powerful, you know, as an institution. And it still is, but it was a different kind of power. And I literally didn't know what to do. And I was like, the stupidest? Was it the stupidest question, really? The whole, the absolute stupidest question you've ever heard in your life. Come on, that's got to be stupider questions because I didn't, because this was my boss and stuff like that. But I'll never forget his tone and his tonality about what they were doing. And then the government came in. They had the same tone throughout the trial and then were killed.”
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“Those cabs are really vile. Was Bill Gates by himself, and he hadn't showered, which was what he used to do quite a bit in those days, which wasn't pleasant. And he was sort of a mess. And he came up to the top, Mrs. Graham's dining room essentially, and we had a meeting with the editorial staff. And at the time, it was starting to seem like he was gaining enormous amounts of power over the computing arena. And he kept going on and on about, like, I don't have lobbyists, I don't need them, I don't need Washington power brokers, I don't need this, I don't need that, very cavalier in a really cavalier way. And I kept raising my hand and I said, well, This is a city of ex-student body vice presidents with subpoena power, so you better start thinking really hard about that. And I'll never forget, he turned to the arrogance was so deep and how he could not be tamed essentially, was that he turned to the editor of the Washington Post, and it wasn't Ben Raleigh, it was Len Downey at the time, and he said,”
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“And the government came in and declared them a monopoly, essentially, and their behaviors on that, and that the operating system was so compelling that it did. So the government came in and did this case. And one of the things I'll never forget was Bill Gates before this trial happened, came to the Washington Post. And I'll tell this story very briefly. I invited him there to talk to the editors of the Washington Post. We had these dinners and lunches and stuff where they would come, like you guys have at times. And I invited him and I was waiting outside the post for him. And this giant limousine pulls up, which I was like, Bill Gates never takes a limousine. At the time, he wrote coach and he was at Bill Gates. He doesn't do that anymore. And this limousine comes up and this guy gets out. And it turns out he's the premier of Nigeria or something like that. And he gets out of a limousine like, hi, you're not Bill Gates. And I look across the street and pouring out of a cab really ugly.”
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“For the others. Okay, let's talk about that because I covered the Microsoft trial for the Washington Post, and I recall at the time Bill Gates, and I had written a lot about him threatening, threatened companies continually. Seemed like he just went around and threatened companies all the time. But they were amassing power through the operating system.”
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“Right, so that's the reason I have them in there because I think they're a good example of what can happen to a company. I mean, they're still big and powerful and make a lot of money, but they've been tamed. And there's an argument about this, a long argument, but one of the theories is that they were tamed because the government acted against them. And so that could be a potential future for the others.”
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“Absolutely. I've always thought of them as nation states. I always think of them that way, and that they have powers that they don't understand. And so let's get into that. So you called them the Frightful Vibe, wrote this comment, which they hate, by the way. They're always like, that far hard. Like whenever I'm like, calm down, you people. Yeah”
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“Encryption, details on people's phones, major national terrorism cases, and the other thing is that they're international and they have these American tech companies based here and in Seattle, and they have sort of worldwide global powers. They can determine kind of the news that people in Africa see and in India. So it seems like they were getting the kind of power that we didn't associate with corporations in the past.”
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“The real story was not which one of them would win, but what if all of them win? What if they all kept growing and their powers seemed limitless? In many of them have the powers now that we used to associate with governments, basically. Facebook can determine or has a role in national elections. Companies like YouTube the same way, Amazon is basically building national infrastructure at this point. So Apple fought with the FBI over”
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“So it's Amazon Google, Facebook, and Microsoft is in there for a special reason that I'll talk about. But so I started, you know, I started, I wrote a story in Fast Company in 2013, like a long time ago. And that turned into this book deal that I got and got delayed because I got a job at the Times and stuff. But the idea then at the time was there were these four companies, Apple, Amazon, Google, and Facebook, that seemed to be One of them seemed to be becoming the next Microsoft, you know, the next, and I was going to write about which one of them it would be kind of a standard business story. And then in 2015, in the last couple years, it seemed to me that”
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