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  1. Must be not liking myself very much now. I'm beating myself up about something within me, and it's deep rooted. You have to get down to that place of, what is this that I don't like about myself? And on the days that I choose to do something nice for myself, and I'm not talking about anything fancy, I'm talking about going for a walk, that to me is bliss. Headphones, music, walking, I'm in heaven. Going for a walk, resting, like allowing myself time out, allowing myself time where I'm not worrying about emails and how well the podcast is doing and is my book selling and just being and hanging out with nice people or having a friendly chat with someone, then I know that my actions are coming from a place where I'm at peace with myself that day.

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  2. I'm quite lucky in the fact that I'm a very obvious person, so I can see myself very obviously. My habits are obvious and they're big. And my big one is to work too much and to be a workaholic and to put the kids to bed and then keep working until I'm exhausted. And my husband's like, shut your fucking laptop. Like, what are you doing? Just stop. Like, what are you doing? And sometimes that is coming from a place of wanting to do well some of the time. A lot of the time, probably 80% of the time, that is coming from a place of, I'm a shitty person, I don't deserve what I've got. I don't deserve to have the job that I've got. I've made mistakes. I'm an idiot. I have to work harder if I am to believe that I deserve where I'm at. That's where that's coming from. So I can see it. It's obvious. When I go into workaholic mode, I go, oh, I don't.

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  3. Know they've done things not from a benevolent place. We've all done it, but we can choose to not live in that area the whole time and like focus on it and drown in it. And we can look at the stuff that we do want to celebrate about ourselves with acceptance. You haven't got to ignore and shun the shadow side because we've all got that, but have an acceptance of it alongside celebrating the good stuff, I think is really what I learned from writing that chapter.

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  4. Mistakes you've made. Everyone has. We are human. We are fallible humans. But you can focus on the stuff that you really like about yourself and that you really want to celebrate about yourself and that you know and that you notice the gifts that you have because we've all got that every single person has got something to give. So it's a matter of putting your focus and attention here or putting it over here. So that was what I learned writing that chapter was I need to focus more on this stuff and not keep worrying so much. Should I have said this? Have I upset that person? Is it awful that 10 years ago I did this thing that I really regret? You know, we've all done that. There's no single person, even the shiny movie stars we see in the cinema or people we see on Instagram with 20 million followers, they have all made mistakes. They all have ugly bits of themselves. They don't like silly things they've done, awful things they've said slip ups they've made

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  5. And every message seemed to go back to self-compassion. And I've always known it's important, but I've certainly not practiced it because you do have to practice it and I've certainly not nailed it. I've allowed myself to get back into these loops of this acerbic voice that says I'm a piece of shit, etc. So I was like, if Wendy's saying this again and again and again, and then so is the next person I interview. And the next person I interview, then I've got to focus on this. And it is a matter of focus. You can focus on all the things you don't like about yourself or you can choose to, you know, accept.

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  6. I didn't know what the themes would be at the start. That kind of appeared later down the line as the book kind of formed. But the first section did very much end up sort of seeped in the theme of self-compassion. And I guess the starting point was talking to Wendy, who is a shaman that I know, Wendy Mandy. And she's lived with many Indigenous tribes and shamanic people the world over. I won't say how old she is, but she's done this for decades and decades.

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  7. Well, first of all, thank you because I've had not so much feedback on the book because it's not out yet. So truly, really means a lot that you've said that to me. Oh, yeah, because this is ahead of time. It's out now, everyone. It's out. But at the time of the recording. I haven't had as much feedback only from luckily my publishers who really like him. But it really means a lot that you got that from the book. So I'm super grateful. But self-compassion, I didn't really know where this book would take me. I knew the subjects I wanted to cover.

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  8. Matters so much, but also equally as well as it is not mattering so much, it will all happen with more ease anyway because you'll make better decisions, you'll set clearer boundaries, you'll turn up truly as yourself because you like you no matter what day it is or whatever you're going through you'll hang out with people that make you feel good. You'll do more of what you love. You'll do less of what you hate. You'll have less mental torture because you'll think, oh no, I don't deserve to be here and all that crap today and you'll talk in a kinder voice to yourself. So for everybody that has to be, it's not even a goal. It's just, let's give that a try again today and just see if I can like myself a bit more.

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  9. I think the objective has to be always just to like myself because then the rest sorts itself out. It doesn't matter where you're going, what you're doing, how you're trying to do it. If you like yourself, none of that really...

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  10. So I undulate. Some days I feel great and I feel really grounded in what I'm meant to be doing. And other days I feel like I'm flying all over the shop and I don't know what the hell I'm doing. And that's okay. And I think it's important to talk about that so people don't look at people in the public eye or people who are doing things well and think, oh, they know what they're doing. They feel great all the time. I don't know. Do you feel like that? I don't feel great all the time.

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  11. Yeah, I think it's an ongoing discipline, which sounds really boring, but I think a lot of this stuff is, it can still be fun, but I think you have to stay. Dedicated to being nice to yourself and not letting these mental patterns stop your creativity or stop you trying new things or stop you putting yourself out there. So yeah, I guess it is a daily thing. And also it's undulating because some days I feel like yes, I've got so much excitement for this podcast that I'm doing coming up or I can't wait to write this new book. And then other times I don't feel like that. I wake up feeling like, oh my God. you know, I'll go into the compare and despair thing. Everyone else is doing things slicker better. Look at Stephen and all his cool cameras and look at all these lights. I don't have this. And you get into all of that mindset.

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  12. Fit into that anymore, and I've had to let go of worrying about that because it doesn't really impact me so much anymore. I don't have to be on the TV to do all the other stuff that I'm doing. But there was a big mental hangover of there must be something wrong with me because people don't want me on their screens and all the bosses don't want me on their screens anymore. So I've had to let go of a lot of old thought patterns that do not serve me so I can really forge ahead clearly, like with proper clarity and with all of my energy to do something that's different that's over here that I really want to do.

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  13. We started the ball rolling with it and other things started happening. But again, it wasn't a sort of a smooth ascent or trajectory to where we're at now. There have been loads of moments where probably more just mentally and internally I've felt like, am I getting this right? Is this going somewhere? Have I actually got anything to say? You know, is my Is my platform helping people and doing something with positive impact it's probably been more cognitive than like real problems happening of course there have been problems and things going wrong but the bigger problems have been in my head and me worrying about stuff and feeling like I'm a failure or like I've made a big mistake or that there's something wrong with me nobody wants me on the TV I'm flawed I'm too weird or I'm too outspoken I don't know what it is I'm I just don't

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  14. Were kind of becoming a bit of a thing. And there was, you know, me and my manager would talk about shall I do a podcast? And everyone was going, what's a podcast? And we were like, well, should we just try it anyway? It's just sort of chatting. So I started interviewing my friends to start off with or like just ringing people, please come on this podcast. Remember emailing Dawn French like will you come to my podcast? I don't know what that is, but if you come to my house, yes. So I went to her house in Cornwall. She was one of my first guests. We're very lucky that we were able to make that happen. And, you know, happy place sort of started.

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  15. Life. I don't think I'd told I'd probably told three or four people that I'd experienced depression and that I wasn't feeling great. I still probably wasn't feeling that great at that point. There was big highs and lows. And luckily, my publisher was really up for me just sort of seeing what came out of me if I started writing. So I wrote the book Happy, which was my first go at writing about anything true and real to me or even talking about it. I hadn't ever done an interview that felt particularly properly raw. And luckily lots of people like that book, which made me think, oh, maybe I could do that a bit more and less of the being the other person that's on the telly. So very, very slowly this sort of snowball effect, well, I wrote two other books, calm and quiet. And then podcasts.

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  16. First of all, I think all change requires a bumpy road. I don't think any change for a human is like smooth and great. Even if, like you say, you've left something that you don't like to follow your heart. That's a brilliant thing to do, but I don't think there are many people that would say that was a smooth transition. So I left radio. I had my second kid, well, second slash fourth because I've got two step kids. I had the fourth in our family, little honey. And I didn't really have much work going on. I didn't really know, I was still doing celebrity juice at the time, which was a lot of fun. And then I started talking to my publisher about writing something that felt a bit more honest. And we hadn't had a conversation about anything at this point to do with my own experience.

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  17. All of my panic attacks are around work. I don't really have them around social settings. I don't really have them around any physical activity. It's around work, judgment of others, etc. So I just have to at the moment not put myself in that position.

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  18. That's a panic attack to some people. There are different manifestations of it, obviously. I think if you put me in the situation of having to do one of those triggering jobs, I would most definitely still have one, which is why I don't really put myself in that situation anymore. Again, I don't think it'll always be the case. I'm sure I could do more therapy, more everything, and get to a place of comfort. I can't be bothered at the moment. I can't be bothered to put myself in a position where I don't feel safe. I'd rather forge new pathways work-wise and feel safe. And I'm very fortunate that I have the propensity to do that. I haven't always, but I do at the moment. So I'm going with it.

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  19. It felt torturous. Like, I don't want to have this. Why can't I just go back to what I used to do? I used to go on TV and be like, so relaxed, or I'd be on radio, like online shopping. I was so chilled out. And then all of a sudden this thing, it felt like something was like infiltrated my neural pathways. Like, why is this happening? And that's where I started talking to lots of different people. And, you know, again, I thought panic attacks happened to other people. I was like, I've never had that. I don't feel panicked. I feel like I'm leaving my skin.

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  20. And it's even weird talking about it because I can draw that, I can feel it, it's under the surface. I haven't had one for a while, but that feeling is so familiar to me now. This was probably five years ago. My heart was racing. I had no idea what was going on. So I went and saw a doctor and was like, there's something wrong with my heart. You need to check out my heart and see what's going on with me because I've had this strange experience did all the tests and I last, nothing wrong with you, fit and healthy. Thank the Lord. Brilliant. Next, you know, the next week, I'm faced with some quite nerve-wracking TV prospects of being on live TV. At this point, I hadn't quite realized I had an anxiety around it. I was just ploughing through it. On the way in, I was getting that same awful feeling of I'm leaving my body. I had it in the makeup chair. I had it before I went on air. I had it during the time I was on air.

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  21. I didn't know it was a panic attack. Like when I had that experience on the motorway, I was with my friend Claire and we were driving home from somewhere we'd been. It was probably a two-hour journey. And all of a sudden I went really hot, and I was like, I didn't say anything to Claire. I was like, what the fuck is going on? Took my coat off, wound the windows down. She was like, do you mind shining the windows, freezing? I was like, I'm just feeling a bit weird. And then I started to feel like I was sort of leaving my body, which is my experience of... Panic attacks. And I pulled over.

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  22. Eradicate awful memories, move on from the past, eradicating ugly emotions like shame and learning to like myself. I think that's been one of the big Sort of movements in my own healing.

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  23. I said to my mom, would you write a piece for it about depression? I'd never said that word out loud to her in context of her own experience. And she literally sent back this thing within about 10 minutes because it was all there, ready to go. But we never had that chat properly. So although I didn't know the terminology, there was a feeling of it and I understood it. And my mum's mum, my Nan Sylvia, she had nervous breakdowns. When my mum was younger and I heard a little bit about that, so I knew it was sort of there and in the family. So, you know, how much of it is hereditary, how much of it is circumstantial, I don't know. I think a lot of mine was circumstantial. And then understanding that has led me to look at lots of different ways to

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  24. Yeah, I never go into too much detail about the circumstance, but I was dealing with some heavy shit and things I didn't want to deal with. And I didn't know how to cope. And I think prior to me having that quite lengthy period of depression, I don't know how long, it's quite blurry, a year, two years. It could have incrementally been five. I don't know. There was a real intense period where it's very, very bad, where I was on medication and I didn't really want to leave the house. Then it incrementally got a little easier and there were bad patches again. But while I was writing my first book, Happy.

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  25. Partner, you don't have a platform to go, I'm playing this song because I love it. You're not important anymore. So your ego takes a bruising. And that took about, I don't know, five or six months to go, oh God, that still hurts a bit that no one really gives a shit about me anymore. And then you get over it. So none of it's easier, a quick like, I left that and then I started happy place, it has been a bumpy road with lots of ego bruising and lots of like worrying that it's all going wrong and then brilliant highs of magical things coming out of the blue. But that feels exciting rather than just Going with the easier route, I guess. Which it was. It was an easier route.

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  26. But as I said, this other voice was going You're doing, you're an idiot, you're a full, you never, you're out of that whole world of music where you get to go to the Brit Awards and you're respected in the world of music because when you leave, you're not. It's quite instant. All of a sudden, you're not invited to the Brit Awards and you're not respected in it because you don't have a key.

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  27. You know what? Although I had that authentic voice and that sort of niggling feeling that I needed to do something different, there was also a voice going, who do you think you are leaving a job like that? I still had that voice going on. Who the hell do you think you are leaving that job? What are you going to do next? Good luck. I had that going on. So I had these two voices, one saying try something new, you know, there's another chapter to be had. I found the pressure of being live every day all encompassing at times and the anxiety of that. Was tough, and I also didn't love having a routine that was the same every day because you do have a very structured day when you've got a live show every day. And part of me felt a bit like, oh, I'm still feeling like I'm a bit of school with that kind of structure

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  28. Try something else. Do something new, you know, give yourself a new challenge. But you've got to, I guess you just have to jump into the void because you're not going to have everyone go, great idea. I'm here to support you. Let's go. There is a moment where when you are acting from an authentic place that you just have to jump.

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  29. But when I decided that I needed a new chapter and I needed something new and a new challenge, I don't think I had a single person say to me, that's a great idea. You know, everybody was sort of going, why are you leaving? You have a brilliant job on a brilliant radio station interviewing all these amazing people. So I think you can make those decisions. They won't often be backed up by everyone around you. But if you know it's right, that little voice will only get louder and louder. And I had that for like probably six months before I decided, okay, I've really got to do this now. That voice was just again and again saying,

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  30. Yeah, I guess it happens to all of us in many ways, whether it's about work or people you have in your life, whatever it might be, that you do hopefully start to act less from your ego and more from a very deep sort of gut feeling place. And that's a good thing. But it means that there are going to be changes and the people around you will react in certain ways to those changes and you might feel slightly wobbly about those changes at first because, you know, when I sort of decided that I wanted to leave Radio 1, I'd had a great time at Radio One. I'd had some bad times personally whilst I was there. But the opportunity in itself was a gift. I was very lucky to have had that job and to have interviewed all these brilliant musicians, no matter what level I was interviewing them at, it was a privilege to do that.

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  31. I use the word sacked, you never get officially sacked, you just aren't on the show anymore. And then someone else is doing it. You're still sacked. So you kind of get taken off for show for whatever reasons. They've changed up the format, whatever. And so that kind of coincided with me not feeling like I was really enjoying a lot of it. But I probably would have stealed my ego still wanted to be asked and to be doing the odd. And bobs on TV

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  32. So I've had to make a lot of very difficult decisions where there have been moments where I've been either offered lovely jobs or I've been doing lovely jobs, but I haven't been able to do them. It's not even been something that I've cognitively had to think about. It's like, I cannot put myself in that position at the moment. I might be able to one day, but at the moment where I'm at with my life and healing from stuff and also I've got young kids, I don't want too much extra stress where I don't have to have it. But also I don't want to sit here professing like I made all these decisions. I left everything. I started a new life because also I haven't been offered many TV shows. It's not like people have been going, please come and do a big mainstream TV show. It's my own feelings about that world have coincided with me not being offered very much and at times being

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  33. That one does to try and get your head above the water. But there has to, I think, be a moment of self-inventory where you look at everything in your life objectively and you start to question everything. And I still have to face those fears every now and then because at the moment I'm promoting a new book and I'm going to have to go on live TV and I'm going to have to go on live.

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  34. So many things. I guess there's only so much discomfort you can take. And it's not due to the people I was working with or even the medium I was working in, I just didn't feel right in it. Some people are made for it and they can do that job way better than I could and they have a level of comfort there. I don't think I ever found that level of comfort. I don't know why. But also I had stuff going on personally that meant at one point in my life I felt really, really awful, really awful. I was in a period of depression. And I think when you're in that headspace, not much makes sense anymore. And you have to start questioning everything if you want to get out of it. Otherwise, you just get stuck. And I did get stuck for a long time and I went on medication and did everything.

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  35. Care for people's response to that or their reaction to it. I just think there's worth in all of it if people don't want to listen to that. They don't have to. That's their choice. But I'm not going to pretend anymore that I'm anything other than how I am on that day. But I've had to forge a new path to do that. I don't think I could be doing this in the old spaces that I worked in. There's not as much room for it. I'm not talking about that in a derogatory way because I had a great period of learning from doing all that stuff. But the new path that I've forged, which isn't necessarily as mainstream and isn't necessarily as shiny or celebrated or whatever, but I can be truly me and there's room to move and there's room to change and it feels liberating, I guess. And I feel very lucky. You know, that's a lucky. Key space to have created.

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  36. Or if I was on the radio, I will be happy and improve people's day by bringing music and happiness, whatever. Whereas now I'm just me. So if I'm not feeling great, I will turn up to a podcast, a radio show, or if I'm writing as I am. I did a recording just before Christmas, the day after one of my cats had died and I'd had my cat for 20 years. And, you know, you've got a pet, you know, they're part of your family. And I was deeply grieving. And I thought. Not going to cancel because I think there's value in me turning up like this, but I'm not going to pretend that I feel any different. So I'm going to answer with these emotions bubbling up and I'm going to be me. And I have much less

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  37. I think you start creating your own barriers. It's only you that's doing that because we've all got the freedom to be more authentic or to try new things or to just rock up to a situation fully as you. We can all do that. It's scary, but we can do it. And as you say, I know I didn't do it for years and years, probably way more than a decade. Certainly, you know, the first 10 years of my career, I didn't know what that meant. I just turned up and was as happy as I could be and enthusiastic and read the lines, tried not to slip up over my words and went home and felt chuffed. And then the next decade in my 20s, that's where I felt like, oh, I'm a bit boring. I need to kind of be a bit more exciting or whatever it is that people want me to be. And you stop yourself from moving into new areas because you just think this is what the public want or the boss wants. So I will be enthusiastic and

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  38. You don't have a job. So I wanted to be liked and I wanted people to think I was interested and that I had some worth and had something to say. I didn't believe I did. So I had to pretend that I had some worth there and make it look like I did. Whereas now with the work I do, I believe through my own life experiences, the people that I've learned from the work that I've put in to be able to write the way I do and interview people the way that I do, I can see my own worth. I can feel my own worth. But for years, I didn't know what it was.

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  39. Not being myself Because I think, I mean, I wasn't sort of running from myself entirely, but I was certainly, I felt for a long period of time too boring or too average to be in that position. I thought you had to be complicated or exceptionally something to be in that space. Whereas I don't believe that anymore. I think everyone's got their own worth and their own beautiful spirit that is worth putting forward. But at that time, how can I be here? This kid from the suburbs, what do I know? Why am I in front of the camera? So I certainly, I guess overeccentuated who I was or was a bit too smiley, a bit too enthusiastic, a bit too everything to, I get, I guess. Get people to like me. I wanted to be liked. That's the name of the game a lot of the time in that industry. If people like you, you have a job. If you're not liked

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  40. Safe, but not in a way that dead ends me. There's always room to improve, new things to learn, more people to listen to, which is a key part of what I do now. But I don't have that horrible feeling of I shouldn't be here on this fancy TV set with all of these people that belong here. I don't think I've ever lost that weirdly. And it maybe feels like a bit of a teenage hangover, but I've never felt comfortable in that space or like I truly belonged there really.

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  41. Without a doubt, I mean, I don't think you lose the feeling of your upbringing. You might lose bits of it and work your own, you know, your own thought processes into life. But I think it's always there. And I'll probably always have a kind of working class ethic because that's what I was brought up with. So I have always overcompensated. And I think I still do, but I'm a little braver in not conforming to what is expected of me and having to do mainstream TV or having to do any mainstream broadcasting. I'm trying to do more of my own stuff where I feel I can experiment more, be truly authentic and not have imposter syndrome because I don't in my own space luckily. When I'm doing my podcast or I'm writing or we do a festival, whatever it might be, I do feel comfortable.

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  42. Without a doubt, because I moved out of my safe little world of being in East Coast, Rice Lip, all these little suburban towns that I was living in or doing the theatre school in, where I had all my friends there and it was safe and they all had the same background as me and nobody had been in that world. So I felt really safe. And then moving into this other world with stage school kids or then eventually being on a TV set with professional people from the worlds of TV who had been doing it for years. I felt wildly out of place. But I don't think that's ever left me. I think I've always kept that feeling like I don't really belong in it.

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  43. And I talked about it with enthusiasm because I was enthusiastic about those things as a kid. And I somehow blagged my way on to this TV show on iTV. There was only five TV channels back then or maybe even four. So it was a great exposure piece. But at the same time, due to a lack of social media, I was allowed to grow naturally and to make mistakes and to be bloody awful without much critique because there wasn't really any. So I had amazing TV producers teaching me the ropes and letting me experiment and work out who I was on camera. And I discovered I really liked it.

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  44. And I went into the little audition room and I was told to speak to the camera, which I'd never done before because I'd just done stuff on stage where you're dancing or acting out a scene. So I thought, why on earth am I talking to a camera? I don't even know what that is or how I'm meant to do that. So I was just me, which was what they were luckily looking for. I was just a kid. Chatting about stuff that I liked, which was like handsome and watching top of the pops and Zoe Ball.

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  45. This Disney Club show, so I went along to this audition with my Nan because my mum was at work. And my Nan, obviously, this was completely not my nan's world whatsoever. My dear Nan Sylvia. So we went into London to Kensington to this audition space and there were loads of kids. I felt completely out of place. They were all from the big dance schools, Anna Chair's Sylvia Young's, and they were all talking about that and saying, oh, what show are you doing? They were all in lay mirrors, whatever. And I was going, oh shit, I haven't done anything. I go to a local dance school and I do little shows in my local theatre. I had done nothing of any prestige. And I felt like I shouldn't be there. And I was trying to not let that get the better of me. But again, I think naivety and lack of experience really helped me, like benefited me in that circumstance.

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  46. Fate, I guess. Really? It was. Like most brilliant, game changing moments, lots of factors. So I was at this local dance school and one of the mums of another kid worked in TV. She had said to one of the dance school teachers, we want to audition a couple of kids or I know someone that's auditioning kids for this.

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  47. And I would dream big. And also, my parents were never sort of like pushy stage parents. They were too busy working, but they were certainly encouraging, like, you like this stuff, you keep doing it. You know, go all day Saturday, go all day Sunday. They were certainly encouraging. And obviously that combined with a huge amount of naivety allowed me to believe that I could do it. And I think it's good to have that naivety as a youngster because you become jaded as you get older and you see the pitfalls and you see where you've made mistakes. And I miss that naivety because I don't really have any of it anymore. I kind of know what I'm stepping into. I second guess the bad stuff that's going to happen. I'm probably overly cautious. Whereas back then I could be ridiculously wild and brave because I was naive. And it got me somewhere. And I sometimes miss that naivety, I guess.

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  48. Yeah, and I don't know why, because I didn't know anyone in that world. I was at a local dance world. I wasn't at sort of like Rada or even Sylvia Young's. I was at a local dance school in a church. But I think the combination of being a big dreamer, like having wild fantasies that I would just love escaping to. Obviously, this is before phones and social media. So your imagination was kind of where it was at.

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  49. What would you have said to me? Probably an actor or like a backing dancer on top of the pops was very appealing at that point. Like, I want to be in a cropped harp and cargo pants dancing behind a cool pop star. That was very appealing to me. But I think I really wanted to act because it felt like pure escapism and we did all these brilliant shows, little tiny local theatres, but really overly rehearsed and sort of, you know, well done, well thought through by our sort of dance school teachers. And we had amazing teachers. You know, people straight from cats coming off stage and teaching us routines or Saturday night fever, whatever it might be. And yeah, it just felt exciting and fun and something completely different to the mundane reality of going to school. And, you know, my parents working really hard and just that mundane routine.

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  50. I'm so grateful to Alex and Chris, the two people that ran the dance school. And it just was the coolest place to be and to hang out. And I would spend every second there that I could

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