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Fiona Fung

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“So definitely, so I'm on LinkedIn, and I'm sure most people have shared this already, but would love feedback of what's going well, what's not going well, also any latent demand that you are all using. That might be interesting use cases. You know, I had a friend message me recently to go, oh, I'm using Claude to help me generate a building plan for my shed. And he actually showed me his shed, which was cool. So we'd love to hear about that. And then, yeah, maybe also, you know, we talked about reaching out across there's someone, whether a small business that you love or someone. All the listeners are super AI pilled. Yeah, maybe take a time to hold somebody's hand to show what AI might be able to help them with.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I'm just really honestly lucky and humble that I get to work with such an amazing team. Like I know how lucky I am and I'm so grateful. But thanks a lot for having me on the podcast as well. This was a lot of fun.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Actually, this is whole fun thing. I think between knitting and programming, because it's kind of like two stitches, knit and a pearl. So zero and one. And anyway, so many concepts of stacks and queues you actually could. Like I'm kind of like a compiler. I'm kind of like, you know, generating an executable when I knit. Yeah, actually it was my grandma that taught me to knit when I was eight. I kind of mentioned her and I'm going to that yarn shop. And so every time I knit, I think of her. But I always like to multitask, as you can see, like, yeah, kick off multiple agents. And so anytime I'm sitting, and because I practice enough and got professional, I have to, I don't have to look at what I'm doing. So it's almost almost like how sometimes people have like fidget spinners and such. Knitting is just, so anytime I'm sitting still, I'm like, oh, this is time to, you know, like generate more knitting executable. Because I got so much yarn that if I don't do this, yeah, my yarn.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Is it okay to, and I know it now it's when I say it, it doesn't seem like it's a big thing because it's like, but to me, it's always really important to keep. But he was like, yeah, totally, no problem at all. And for me, that was just a small act of kindness. He totally didn't make into a big deal, but that made the biggest difference to me. I got to, you know, say hi to my grandmother on Facebook.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's just always really strict with me because I was in these back to back meetings and I always one-on-ones are really important to me because actually that time is usually also really important for the other person. It's something that they've been looking through. They might have things discussed. So I always try like I always really prioritize one-on-ones. But during that time, my grandmother wasn't doing well and she was in a home in Canada because of COVID. I couldn't go visit. And actually even my, you know, aunt and mom couldn't go visit. And it was this very rare of if they have a helper that can help, we could do FaceTime. But you never know what time that is going to be because, you know, there's so many people that take care. And all of a sudden I get a message from my aunt going, grandma can FaceTime at like 12 p.m. today. I'm like, oh no, there's this one-on-one that I've been mean to have. And I just messaged, you know, my report to say, I'm really, really sorry. It's the last minute.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Oh, like it's, you know, we have so many things going on that you never know what's going on in someone else's life and that one small act of kindness can make the biggest difference. For me, actually, that was when, do you remember COVID? We were all like working from home during the”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, in work, I really love to remind folks to keep it simple, what is the thing that you're really trying to do well and focus on that, you know, like keep it simple, because I think sometimes we could overthink. So it's always a good mantra to think about that. And then in life, you know, probably in a world where you can be anything be kind.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In it that wow. Like, what? And so, anyways, this was an organic shampoo that I found. Lo and behold, I use our shampoo and then because you don't think that when you wash your hair, it actually then, you know, like goes over to the Russian body. But so since then, I've switched everything that I used to be sweet sisters. But I'm recently reminded of how important this is because after a week of hotel shampoo, I actually started having some skin reactions again. I'm like, ah, maybe I should get like travel-sized bottles that I could bring with me.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I forgot that. So the product that I actually have one of their hand, I promise is it's not an infomercial sweet sister's body care. It's a local business on Whoopy Island. But the reason why their product has made such a big difference in my life, it's a full line of organic hair-body skincare. But a few years ago, I started getting this rash on my nose right here that was really painful, like actually bleeding. And I could not, for the life of me, figure out how to stop it. Like I tried not using any lotions. Like I cut everything on my face and it was still really hurting. And then somebody says, what's the shampoo you're using? I'm like, it's the same shampoo I've used since I was, you know, like a teenager. And they're like, maybe your body has now, and it's, you know, like generic, you know, brown shampoo, they could get anywhere. And they said, maybe your body's just start developing an allergy to it because of the chemical.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'll share the product that I'm reminded of how much has made a difference in my life recently because I've been just traveling a little bit. And so I don't, and I like to travel really light. So I use whatever shampoo and conditioner the hotel gives.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Favorite Chible films. And then the third one is another Ghibli film, Nausica Valley of the Wind. And I think about this one quite a bit because if anyone asked me, hey, how did you kind of think about all these leadership traits? I think I watched that movie probably when I was eight or nine. And the heroine Nausica and how seeing how she leads just left such a thumbprint in my heart, I guess you could say that Probably Nausica has inspired me to a lot in a lot of my different leadership principles.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I will share with you what I always have downloaded on my phone so that if I'm on the airplane. So there's three movies I'll always have on my phone because I think they're just so, so fun to watch if I have time. One is Emily. It's this French movie that, oh my gosh, all of these movies are going to be very old, by the way. It's going to be like vintage movies. But I loved Emily super whimsical. So really highly recommend it to anyone that haven't seen it. It's, you know, if you remember, I told you I was going on a I thought I was going to be a visual artist when I was 16. my high school, we took a trip, a high school trip to Paris. And that just, I have so many memories of that. Emily really captures the magic. I felt at Paris. And the other two are Ghibli films. I love Spirited Away. That's just such a, I just love that story. I love the, yeah, like I just love everything about spirited away. It's probably one of my favorite.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I will say for fiction, actually two authors I recommend to everyone, Margaret Atwood and Haruki Murakami. Those are just two, like, I mean, I grew up in Canada, so I read a lot of that with growing up. But her books are fascinating because it's almost like speculative fiction of you can kind of squint and say, okay, could this actually, you know, like happen to a society? So I love her take on speculative fiction and Murakami, I love his magical realism style. But then the one book, so our authors, but the one book I always recommend to everyone to read at least once a year or, you know, the little prince, I think I'm sure we probably all read it at some point in our lives, but I think it's a, I read it at least once a year just. To remind me to think about what kind of was truly important.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, well, usually, definitely there's themes of where we think the work, and so we'll definitely, and actually the whole team will bring everyone together every six months. So there will usually kick off like some themes, but then it's really the making sure we keep the pulse of what, because again, like even those themes change, you know, so fast when the landscape changes.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, like we really try focus. So, like, we'll share out here's what we think are the highest priorities. And again, for that agency, given the priorities, then like everybody's like their kind of like item for how they think addresses those priorities.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, it's very, very weird. But even that one, I'm also still feeling, how can we even? Automate this more because I never wanted to be feeling like attacks when someone has to update the spreadsheet. So this is actually, yeah, like just yesterday we're chatting, hey, how can we actually automate this? Speaking to that question, always ask yourselves, can we actually automate this better?”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I call it jet planning now, like just in time planning. So it is like around like, because yeah, I think six months was too long. So now for sure some projects will take more than a month, but we try to do like a month planning, like really lightweight. Actually, there's not even docks. It's really just us aligning on a little spreadsheet of what we think is important. But even that one, I'm kind of thinking through, hey, like every week we should probably still keep what we're trying is here are the month's priorities and we're going to try it up, but I have a feeling like every week we'll probably want to do really quick like, hey, just to check. Yep, this is still this month's priorities. Good, but yeah, like, but now we've shrunk it to Jit monthly planning.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Process. That was such a good learning for me because the exercise was good to kickstart conversations and ensure aligned. But like three months into it, I'm like, wait, have we still referenced stuff? Because so much has changed. That was also something I like. And so that was also something I changed that I myself brought in thinking, hey, maybe this will help. So always be open to learning and always ask yourself whatever process you have. Is it still serving its purpose just because the field is changing so fast?”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Maybe one thing is like just a suggestion because you know we talked about how can Claude do like automate like one other thing that's really big on clock code and co-work team culture is explicit permission to kill processes that no longer serve us. And so maybe a suggestion is for anyone working on a team or leading teams like pick your like what's one process that you either dread dealing or is really highly noisy or is like really expensive in terms of like just a lot of like it might but or is something that's just very manual like pick one thing and first ask is it still having its purpose like for example when like even our planning like actually that was my own big first learning when i first shown clock could i'm like hey maybe we should you know do a six month roadmap talk and and but we're gonna do it super lightweight because i don't want to waste a lot of time planning and i i felt we did a really lightweight”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Oh, that's great. Like, it's interesting here you talk. I think one of the important things to clock code and co-work team is whether ICs or managers, but this is a thing I especially ask for managers on the team, it's really important that we all talk about for sure what's going on, but also just be open about what's not going well. Because then if we can actually have a conversation, what's not going well, that's how we can actually go ahead and address it. Like speaking of what keeps me up, my nightmare is, especially if someone's in a manager position and i'm like, hey, how are things going? Everything's fine. I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm not doing fine. I know this thing's like, like it's that whole like, you know how there was this meme of the Dr. Kup of Coffee in her room that's on fire. That is my nightmare. So that's actually a discussion I have with a lot of folks on the team, but especially managers, especially when they first join of, hey, let's always have these open conversations so that we can solve problems.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A team. That's probably the thing that keeps me up at night. And it's like, you know, there's so many other hard problems, right? But I think maybe a lot of the other ones are product or engineering challenges that, yes, we have, you know, like dashboards or theories or hypotheses. But the culture is like a human aspect that is. I think that's the one that I always want to make sure that we're as we grow, we're still kind of like maintaining that culture because it is kind of like the fiber of the team. And when it starts drifting, it I'm always worried of it, you know, like if it drifts, are we catching it and having conversations as a team together to make sure we're kind of all wanting the culture to grow in the right direction?”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Know the thing that keeps me up at night is probably is how we so you know we talked about kind of like cloud code and co-working culture that's and the team culture is really important to me like it's the one team mentality and I you know I share with folks and by the way culture is like a living breathing thing it's not just a poster you slap on a wall and it changes over time and it's it shows up in how we treat each other, how we're there for each other. And so the culture of the team is important to me because we are growing and since the culture shifts, like making sure that maintaining the things are important, that we still really, it's really important for me to have diverse perspectives so then we can have, you know, like good, healthy, open, honest debates on in the open and we kind of like welcome those and kind of what I call that one team mentality that when you get closer to the finish line look behind you and say, is there some of her teams of health because we can't finish.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, because the rate of change is also so fast. Actually, that was the one thing. I remember the first time it was probably Sonnet. Three, five, or three, six. And I remembered it was still making some mistakes when I was doing things on the side. I'm like, what are you doing? And then what I noticed was some of the engineers that were resisting AI tooling. They're like, ah, but see, it's, you know, like, look at all of these. But then I think it was hard to understand of how kind of like the exponential rate of improvements. And so always, and maybe that's another interesting thing that I myself am learning too. Like there might have been something I tried to automate that Claude wasn't quite good enough. And then actually in the next model, oh, well, now it is good enough. So it's always also thinking about what may have not worked. Like it might be worth the time to revisit because that now might be a new capability.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Messages. Yeah. And it's maybe like, okay, what is an interesting problem? What's the prioritization for experience to build? Like, it's interesting. Maybe we're kind of, yeah. And then when you build things, how do you know it's actually resonating? And it's kind of like doing what you intended.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Retirement one You know what she was really fun? One of my previous managers, I mean, he started software engineer when it was punch cards. And it's so fabulous. Like he's been messaging me everything. He's been building with cloud code. And I'm like, wow, what a career that you go from like he's really. Change. So maybe I think for us to think about is like when I think about his career, how he got started with punch cards was also totally, totally different than now. And so it might be that I think it'll be interesting for us to see what remains important and then what changes in terms of importance. And then it's like, how do you gain? Like I have a theory, maybe that's what is important will shift over time and then how do you kind of kind of build the proficiency and do yeah.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Memory allocat And it's interesting. Maybe the malls will get good enough that it doesn't matter. But I do think You know, but I do think there's something about that double click because I think that's where there might be an opportunity to improve the product or the system. But figuring out how to learn that not necessarily by years of...”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Almost like cram in some of the, and maybe it won't matter, but you know, some of the life experiences that we all got, how do you actually enable us to kind of like teach that to, you know, the next generation of builders?”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Actually, I'll share some vulnerability here. One, speaking of big open questions, I really do think how we grow the next generation just because how you and me got to our engineering path is just so different. It's almost like, okay, now when you graduate from school, it's like, how do you kind of fast forward? But the important thing to me, but still understand kind of like, you know, that double click I talk about to the Lairvanique, but that is a big question I have. And I wish I had the answers, but I wonder if it's for software engineering, it's almost like you go more towards a fellowship or apprenticeship program. I know it's odd because technically we have like in internships that would, but those were the kind of like three months and little projects. But I do wonder if, and I wish I have a crystal ball here, but it's, yeah, like, how do you?”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, it's interesting because I used to do bookout focus time for like, you know, the focus time for coding because you want that dedicated and then the whole context switching. And then it's interesting now that because I can context switch more with more ASIC agents, I'm noticing I do actually have to go back and block like a focus time for me to catch up on all the different async work that I've kicked off.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Know, I think because with routines and everything being more async, I think there is starting to be a high load on our context switching because I even remember I myself was like, oh, I kicked off like, and so I think that's probably another thing we have to think about of how do we, you know, whether for team members or users, like how can we actually make that experience better to reduce that load? Because I do see the context switching increasing.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Exactly. And I think that one is still a hard one to crack, as you kind of like mentioned evals, because some of it for sure is accuracy, but it's also that experience. So that's something that, yeah, we're still kind of thinking through”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Ah, yes. Actually, well, this is a fun one, like, you know, with the content design check. I think we're looking for across all of it, like how do you actually get what good looks like? And so I have like actually the verification is still one that we, I think, and that's kind of like the second and the third that I think we, there's a lot more opportunities there for us. But the how far to push, I think looking at where we think experts still matters and then also again, have to keep asking ourselves, okay, is there a way to leverage that expertise to also automate? Like I think like looking across the whole end-to-end experience, like making sure we're not missing in, like I think we come at it from like an engineering standpoint, but making sure on experiences how we think about those other areas. I think there's definitely still more that we can do there.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Know the iOS Android one? Like, I think we're still, actually, it's funny because it's become like the deep expertise, we definitely feel that it's really important, like it's really important to still bring on folks with those expertise, but we probably don't need as large because people are flexing. So it's again, making sure we have, you know, like the Android and iOS experts, but then less of the larger kind of like mobile or one per. And so, but again, that's still a balance that we're trying to figure out. Do we have the right and enough expertise? The second one was, sorry, what was the second one?”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, the LTE connection was much slower than what we were used to in the US. And so I'm like, oh, the marketplace feed didn't even load very well on these low LTE situations. What a growth block. You can't even load. But again, that's why it's so important to always listen to customer feedback and get that fast feedback loop.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Right. And I would say if you're leading a team where it's really hard for you to use a product, then meet with customers, like whatever that other avenue is that kind of like I think that's also been really important to you every time I've done customer visits, I always learn something new. Like actually I remember that was Facebook marketplace were trying to launch to Latin America and so we had you know we were testing in Chile and I remembered it just wasn't doing as well as the other regions we'd done and everything else we've tried and then I remember I'm like and we had really small research trip where I went to Chile and I remember getting us a whole bunch of Android phones for us it was a very small crew like just three of us and upon landing”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That you know, leaders use their product. I think folks feel the leaders then remain really engaged and not too distanced.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah. And actually, sometimes it's also how I've been able to most effectively help the team. So, for example, the last time I was on, I was leading a VR team. I have not checked in any code into that code base just because I was really worried about like messing up the operating system. But what was a gap? We were doing a lot of polish fixes. And I wanted to, I'm like, hey, you know what? I'll use my dog feeding time to actually vet how the experience looks. And so that was also probably a way that I felt I could still meaningfully contribute to help hold the quality bar for the team. And then like I say, like every team member usually always really appreciates because I think as a lead, like, you know, leader, you're supporting folks on team that outside of metrics and everything, everybody really wants to make sure their work matters. And yeah, just making sure.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Your products in ways that you may not expect. And so, especially as leaders, or even like anyone on the team, we all have different life. Actually, it's funny when I was supporting the VR and AR teams, somehow how I used VR, the setup, I would always be able to find these really weird floor height issues. So that ended up being a, oh, I took it, you know, like I'm going to help us, you know, like because somehow I got a good repro environment. And so I think it's number one, like making that's how you keep your post on the product that you're building and don't get too lost in metrics and dashboards only or presentations.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I love it. Yeah, I think it's really, and this has worked for me, it's just been a really good way for me to keep a pulse on, you know, anytime you build product, there's a dream. Like you're really hoping to enable an experience or making an experience better. So I think being able, like that helps me keep really close to the pulse. I also think and maybe some like for sure on Visual Studio, that was like, you know, where I got this love of it. But it's interesting because even marketplace, I remembered every once in a while I'll do like even after I left the team actually, one time I had like a MacBook era I wanted to sell. I'm like, oh, you know, I haven't sold anything on marketplace. And I could not believe it. The minute I put it up for sale, a seller or a buyer tried to scam me. And it was an interesting new scam vector I didn't detect. But that goes to, again, like people will use.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“How interesting. Well, definitely, I think most commits are clauded assisted. And so that was a shift. I think I kind of like mentioned we have Slack channels with all the feedback and also our dashboards that we have give to Claude. I think having engineers build in, like keep building that stronger product sense muscle is I think also like another and I think that in general helps kind of be these really trauma-minded product engineers. I would say more of these roles that were traditionally non-engineering. You do now see engineers being able and sometimes you're just blocked by, you know, waiting for, you know, a cross-functional partner. I think there's less of those blocks now just because the models are able to augment additional capabilities that you may not have as an engineer.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's all the coding adjacent roles are shifting, like PM is, I know, like you were chatting with Kyle. I think PM is also. So that's kind of like the next real life science shift. Like actually, our PMs have also helped those roll-up sleeves and helped shift some features when we were, you know, like when there wasn't, when there was something we want to do and an engineer wasn't able to. So I think it's all the coding adjacent rows are starting to shift. But I think that's where, again, the verification is important because when you have more different disciplines checking in, how do we make sure everybody has higher confidence? I also think we need to do more to keep automating these other portions of the workflows. Like for sure, we focus a lot on coding, but next, when you think about like design or data science, like those are starting to be the next areas I think are good opportunities for us to see how we can start improving kind of the experiences there as well.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's so funny. I just had that conversation with an engineer and the team of talk about flow, remember the old days, you have this really gnarly problem and you pop that music soundtrack in and then you're just in the zone. So yeah, there is a little and then there was always that big aha moment at the end, I would remember. You remember you're like, you finally cracked it. Yay. So we do, but it's like I think now we get a lot of joy from like the product, but I do think there is, because I hear from other engineers as well of, well, I some of the hardest parts is what I used to enjoy. I heard that from another engineer as well. And so I think we're all just kind of like shifting. But I do see like the thing most, and that's why I was talking about like the Paris programming and the hackathon that did recently come up more. Folks were starting to feel like it started to be a lonely experience.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Know I haven't seen too many folks on our team. I think everybody is just really excited about either a like an architecture update that we think will be higher reliability or some product experience. So most folks, like that's what we talk about a lot. Like, yeah, we don't over, it's fun lunchtime conversations, but I don't think we overoptimize because there's no, because there's no perfect answer, actually.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And it's because our own toolchain is changing so fast as well. But yeah, it's very interesting to me like everybody on. On our team, just uses cloud code and co work in different ways. And so every time I watch someone work, then I learn something myself as well”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That double click. But the other thing that we found interesting on the cloud code team is after a while we felt it could start being a lonely experience because we all started just working with our agents so much. So recently we started maybe like a pairwise programming lunch because what we also learned was on CloudCode, everybody uses CloudCode code work. Everybody uses a flow so differently. And so we found that, wow, when we do pairwise programming, we actually learn so much from each other. And then the other thing too is we make sure that we also have the maker time together too. So like, for example, hackathons is another thing we really like to do just to make sure we're kind of like interacting together as a team.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's interesting because we actually have this discussion on the team a bit. Are there things that we miss or like actually to your point, I'm always like thinking about like when someone's onboarding and ramping, like you have Boris who handled the code in the early days and of course now does it anymore, but he gained that knowledge from before because he was in the code base. So especially all the engineers that joined him, I was also like, make sure you're like taking the time too to all the work that you do still get that understanding of the architecture or the change because it goes back to that trust but verify maybe one day it won't matter anymore, but at the pace that we're going, I actually still think understand like it's always double clicking on that layer that you depend on. Like maybe that to me is a meta. It's always take that time to learn about your dependencies because this way when your dependencies change, like you're kind of like more aware or you might not be taking advantage of changes to dependencies. So I think it's always about kind of like doing.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Let me go meet all the engineers and treat them to coffee. And then I'm like, oh, wait, wait, wait. Let me ask Claude. And so Claude was this really good onboarding buddy of mine because I was curious about the Kobe's asking it questions. And then it also really helped me like, you know, do the automated test, but I also want to still do some manual testing. And I asked Claude, hey, help me come up with like, what's the way for me to manually test this to make sure I cover all the case? But all that then gives me confidence that, okay, I can ship peers again. And then I got like kind of more comfortable with again. And so I've actually had a lot of friends reach out to me that have been manager for a while that's like, hey, I'm shipping code again. Thanks to Claude. And so, but in general, it's, yeah, like it's just important to me as leaders to make sure you're kind of like using the product that your team builds.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And yeah, but it was so valuable to have those first months, like actually learn what it's like to ship as a meta engineer. Plus, it was also fun. Like I think sometimes we forget if we like, but that's by the way, what I love about Claude Coat because the last time I shipped production software at Meadow was probably 2017. And every year I might like I do a lot of dog fooding and a lot of, you know, like I also use dog fooding to help me like vet the quality of product as well. But it's been a very long time since I shipped production software. It's because part of it is I don't want to screw something up. Like I'm always so scared of what if I do something and then I cause a bug and then I'm verifying everything properly or am I wasting someone's time? Because, you know, like also the tool flows would change. But I remember that first week on Claude, I'm like at first I almost again went did my youtube.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I started out like it was for a very short amount of time. But actually, this was my journey between Microsoft and Meta. So at Meta, I interviewed as a manager, but I think at least for the first quarter, I was also in IC because I really wanted to learn what it's like to be a meta engineer. Because before then, I was at Microsoft, kind of like cut my teeth on engineering at Microsoft. So I knew all the code bases, the tools, the languages.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Managers at join to be able to go deep into do that before supporting people. And then they actually end up building really great rapport with the team. Like because if not, I think sometimes as managers, you know, you might come and join a new team and you instantly think I have to manage. Let me dig into my manager toolbox and do managery things. But if you actually give yourself time to not have to worry about that first and actually learn what it's like to be an engineer and teammate on the team, that also goes really far to building rapport and in terms of like using the product, I think that's important. It's interesting. Every team I've joined, one of the first, actually across all the different products, it could be VR, it could be smart glasses. It was like Instagram. Usually when I first joined, one comment that comes back to me is, hey, you know what? I really love how you're actually using what we build. It's refreshing to see, you know, you giving user feedback. And so I think as leaders.”
2026-06-21 · Lenny's Podcast · What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source