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“Demonstration of the worst orals nightmare, it's Gulag run by paranoid dictator, the family of dictators, three generations. And on the other side, the very same nation built one of the most sophisticated market economies and a very resilient democracy, democracy that people in Europe can envy just recently they had a president impeached and tried and the CEO of the biggest corporation also being charged with crimes.”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's a long, if not endless theoretical debate based on our interpretation of certain historical events. I'm not convinced. Where's this argument about some nations being predetermined in their development and alien to the concept of democracy and the rule of law? And the reason I'm quite comfortable with this denial that Can move from theory to practice, and while we can talk about History and certain influence of historical events to modernity, but we can look at the places like Korea, Korean Peninsula. The same nation, not even cousins but brothers and sisters divided in 1950, so that's by historical standards yesterday. And we could see the difference. So one country is the”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Someone who can work out Sort of the most effective combination, bringing together human and machine skills. I reached formulation that a weak human player plus machine Better process is superior not only to a very powerful machine, but most remarkably to a strong human player plus machine plus an inferior process. At the end of the day, it's about interface. An interface that will help us to coach machine towards more useful intelligence will be the right step forward. And I'm a great believer that if we put together a good operator still it's a decent chess player not necessarily a strong chess player running two three machines and finding the best way to get to get this knowledge to translate this knowledge into the into the quality moves against Ripka cluster I would I would probably bet on a human plus machine”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm not, by the way, I exclude myself from this category because I'm not a very good operator. I'm a very good chess player. But a great operator does not have to be necessarily a very strong player.”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There's no need to slow down. We just have to speed up. And there's so many new challenges. It's up in the space, down in the oceans. So many things that we're not doing now because they're too risky. And we like our comfortable life. Now, I guess artificial intelligence, though I'm not as optimistic about the development. I don't think it's going to happen overnight. It's happening, but it's not a speed that is threatening us as predicted by the doomsayers. But that will give us a push towards more risky adventures and forcing us to take the tasks that now we are rejecting because they are offering question of returns with obvious risks.”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Move into the future because what is the alternative We don't get to choose when and where technological progress stops. It's happening. So what I believe is the right approach is to understand that while machines can do eventually better everything that we know how to do, but there's still so many new things that only we can reveal. I'm always calling for looking for new frontiers”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes or no, oh We tend to forget that every dramatic change in human history caused also major problems Whether we like it or not, but the most dramatic technological advance happened at the time of war, where people thought only about winning and having the best and they didn't think about sacrifices or about comfort. I hope we can avoid repetition of the cycle, but naturally we can expect Substantial problems for many people who will have difficulty of adjusting to new realities. So what we can do, just let's be objective, let's talk about it, and let's not terrorize them by the images of the Hollywood movies like The Terminator or The Matrix. It's a challenge that is ahead of us, but it's not the end of the world. There will be downsides, but there will be upsides. And let's see how we can manage our...”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Maybe they won't finish college, but now we have to start thinking already, not even thinking, but even implementing new techniques to teach them how to teach them certain basics, certain skills that will be required in the world that we'll know will be quite different. And the new jobs will require definitely the knowledge of computers and certain traditional skills that have been on demand for generations simply will vanish.”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We're still teaching very specific knowledge in the schools. And instead of teaching what we have to teach how. Because this knowledge may be redundant 10 years from now. We are preparing kids for the world that will change dramatically. By the way, we already know it will look different. So, what's the point of trying to teach kids at age 10, 11, 12 without recognizing the fact that when they finish college, when they will become adults looking for jobs, the job market will be totally different.”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, you mentioned the word education That's what we should concentrate because I think it's quite obvious today that the educational system that is still dominating this this area of knowledge it's it's inadequate when you look at a classroom it hasn't changed since the university of bologna in 13 14th century so we still have the same the same school infrastructure or college infrastructure that normally has it's like a one-way street the information always comes from the teacher to the class while this new generation is operating in two ways it's always interactive exchange and the biggest problem and i've been talking about for quite a while that”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To have some sort of safety cushions to help people that will have great difficulty in adjusting. People that come from manufacturing jobs that are older and just don't have the same knowledge of machines, and how to make sure that society will not be shaken badly by another dramatic shift in technology.”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“My answers I don't know, but that's exactly why we should not worry about the future because the problem with the future if we know what's going to happen. That's always not good. We all know that means that in the situation that you described, we'll need new kind of lawyers, we'll need new kind of experts that will be able to solve these problems. Will be redistribution of jobs. It's many jobs today like drone operators or 3D printer managers or social media managers. They didn't exist 10 years ago or 15 years ago. No doubt that in 10, 15 years there will be many jobs, maybe the best paid jobs that don't exist today and we don't even know how these jobs will look like. And I think that's natural. All we have to do is to just to realize that this process is inevitable and we have to prepare us mentally, but also to”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I understand that they will take over more menial aspects of cognition and will elevate our lives towards curiosity, creativity, beauty, joy. You can continue this line. We just have to understand that everything that we know how to do machines will eventually do better than us.”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think there are a few of them in Japan. But I still think at the end of the day, you need some humans and different kind of job because you understand exactly what you said, frustration and certain accidents. At the end of the day, you run supermarket to make profit. You don't want your customers to run away if they're unhappy. So you will need maybe some human psychologist to make sure that the customers, the customer satisfaction will be up to a certain level. But again, let's look at this historical process. So machines that replace They have allowed us to focus on developing our minds. Now, more intelligent machines, more intelligent machines, they”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Again, that's hard for us to imagine, but we have been moving in this direction for a long time. So the many things are just being done by machines already. So now machines will be more actively engaged in human interaction. I can hardly imagine the supermarket with no humans at all. There will be other humans who will be supervising machines.”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I think if you tell them at autopilot's not working the plane, they will not fly because they understand that, again, in the big numbers, these decisions are still more... more qualitative. And while I understand that also the fear of people who might be losing jobs and they could see that machines are threatening their traditional livelihood. But at the same time, even these people whose jobs are on chopping block of automation, they also depend on a new wave of technology to generate economic growth and to create sustainable new jobs. This is a cycle. And the only difference with what we have been seeing throughout human history is that now machines are coming after people with college degree, political influence, and Twitter accounts.”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely. When do they swerve? But now what is imaginative is that there was a time I'm sure people were really concerned. They were scared Steve of autopilots.”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm just telling you that it's inevitable. There's certain things that are happening and it's called progress. This is a history of human civilization. I think the whole history is a process, of a steady process of replacing all forms of labor by machines. It started with machines replacing farm animals and then manual laborers. And then it kept growing and growing and growing. There was a time I mentioned in the book. People didn't trust elevators without operators. They thought it would be too dangerous. It took major strike. And in the city of New York, that was a major disaster if you had to climb to impastate building with paralyzed elevators. I understand that today people are concerned about self-driving cars.”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The matches I played was the blue and following matches that I played with Deep Jr. and Deep Pritz and the matches that Kramik played with Deep Praetz, they ended the story of human-machine competition on equal terms. Close this chapter of the search, of the mysteries of human intelligence. In the realm of chess.”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, no, no, no, no. Draw, I take no. If you're talking about drawing, then Magnus plays white, for instance, let's take Magnus. I think it's still 50-50 chance. Magnus is pretty good. So this drawing was... Now, I'm talking about winning. Now drawing that you'll make few draws, that's for sure. I have no doubt about it. Now, winning, if you give them this big handicap that he doesn't have to think about losing the games, it's all about concentrating and looking for the best moves. I think there's a chance. I wouldn't bet my bottom dollar. I still think it's below 50%, but there's a chance. There's a decent chance it's not slim to none that the best player may win. But again, we're talking about handicap event. So I think that's...”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Say 10 games match. On the conditions that he wins the match if he wins one game. Which means he can play all the games without thinking about losing the game by making a mistake or just, you know, he can play without this terrible psychological pressure. Maybe there's still a chance.”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It suddenly is working against you. And my experience, and I'm talking about best games played by top players, tells me that inaccuracies are inevitable. And inaccuracy against the machine, even if you made already 45 good moves and for great moves, but the fifth move that is simply inaccurate may deny you victory that you think you deserve by playing brilliantly. You don't have to lose necessarily, but if your position is really good. But machine, let me just emphasize, machine playing against machine requires precision and concentration. I don't think it can be achieved by humans in a regular game of chess or another game like Gorsh. I think if we want to continue this experiment or just to put it in an extreme form I would say that if we have Magnus Carlson, the Card World Champion. Offered an opportunity to play against a computer”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's complacency if you're on the winning side, but it could be also the desperation if you're on losing side. One of the greatest problems against any machine is how to deliver the final blow, to win the game. Even if you're lucky and you get a very good position, then again, you have to play with precision that is not required in human chess. So everything that you learn throughout your professional career.”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Opponent that doesn't care about what's happened one move ago in any human game, you always have Not necessarily blunders or mistakes, but inaccuracies. Because if we are reaching winning position, complacency is hard to avoid.”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Are we talking about two humans No, that's another story because if you have two humans, then you have two individuals and most likely they know each other. I played, I guess, 182 games in the World Championship matches and many more games, hundreds of games against other top players in different competitions. And I knew almost all my opponents, I knew what to expect from them. I knew what to expect from myself. Human chess is a form of psychological warfare. So it includes a psychological element because you should know how to play a game against very specific opponent. And sometimes, not very often, but sometimes you may look for certain moves that may not be the best purely from chess point of view, but they could create situations. push your opponent of balance Now with machine, it's totally different. And the humans are facing.”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, it's just different because it's. Any game, whether it's chess or we can move on with go or shoggy Still offers us a very limited area of human intelligence because at the end of the day the way we try, we're trying to understand Who is better in respect of game, it will be a result, win or loss. And machines have a decisive advantage because you may call they have steady hand. Humans are vulnerable because we cannot keep the same level of vigilance required to play with the machines even if we understand chess as well as machines do, even if we can survive the brute force of calculation. But at the end of the day, the pressure on a human player facing the machine is simply unbearable.”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Even while DBLU was victorious, it was anything but intelligent. Of course, you can start arguing about the definition of intelligence because by the definition of its output, the grandmaster level chest, DBLU was intelligent. But at this incredible speed, at certain points deep blue could reach phenomenal speed of, even today it's phenomenal, but 20 years ago it was mind-boggling of 200 million positions per second. It offered us very little dreamt of insight into the mysteries of human intelligence.”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think the founding fathers of computer science had the same affection to go or shoggy because they were not familiar or had very little knowledge of these games that were played in other parts of the world. Now, chess was a game that for centuries had kind of an ultimate sign, mark of unique intelligence. It was quite natural for them to look at the game of chess as the milestone for breaking up this mystery of human intelligence. What we discovered in 1997 when the blue was successful in the match against current world champion and I was world champion at that time That chess could be crunched by brute force once hardware got fast enough, databases got big enough, algorithms got smart enough.”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Artificial intelligence would inevitably take over a world. And this time I took the opposite side, optimistic side. And this book was an attempt to write a real story of artificial intelligence and its connection to the game of chess, why the founding fathers of computer science like Alan Turing and Claude Shannon had such an affection for the game of chess and why they believed that solving the game of chess or more likely making machines capable of beating strongest players could help them to solve the problems of artificial intelligence. And why, by the way, they were wrong.”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Thanks for inviting me, and you're right. And this book is more cheery than the previous one, so I thought it would be a good idea to keep a balance. And I think in both cases, I went against the dominant trend at the moment when winter is coming was written and published. Many people here in this country in the free world, they had doubts about my strong statements about Russian dictator Vladimir Putin. Now, regarding this book, Deep Thinking, when I was writing the book, many people tend to believe Elon Musk, Stephen Hawking and other pessimists who predicted Doomsday scenario when”
2017-05-10 · Conversations with Tyler · Garry Kasparov on AI, Chess, and the Future of Creativity · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source