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Garry Nolan

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“It makes us both smaller but larger at the same time, to me. I can look outside at the stars and think and imagine what else might be out there. And although I know that I will never see it all, it excites me to know that it's there”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think that what we're going through today with this realization, it's kind of like you've lived on an island your whole life And you've looked across the ocean and you've never imagined there was another island with anybody else on it. And then suddenly a ship with sails shows up. You don't understand it, but you realize that suddenly your world just got a lot bigger. I think we're in one of those moments right now that our world view are... Galactic view is opening, right? To something a little bit bigger. And not just that there might be Somebody else. But that there's something else. What it is yet to be understood. And the fact that it isn't understood to me is what's exciting. Because I can fill it with my dreams.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I have met some of the most I mean, truly Brilliant people because of this. So, you know, it is for those worried about, well, should I step outside of my comfort zone, you're going to meet some really interesting people. And, you know, because I'm open about this area. I'll go and give a talk in Boston, Harvard, or MIT. And at dinner, Inevitably this subject comes up, and inevitably somebody else at the table will admit both that they're interested or that they've seen something. And suddenly, the whole tone of the conversation changes Kind of like there's safety in numbers. And then, or I've had people come to me afterwards after dinner and say, hey, I don't talk about this openly, but. The number of scientists who know that there's something else going on. Is much larger than the scientific community would like to think.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Just point to my successes. I say, well, you know, you're the ones who told me not to start companies all this time ago. And now you're the one coming to me for advice for how to start a company. But from the scientific area, it's you're wanting to take something off the table that might be an explanation. How is that the scientific method? Reverse shame”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I mean, I think that's the primary thing. And the other I tell my own students, you know, I have a lab of about 20, 30 people and has been that big since 1992 people come and go is it's not the data that falls in line that's so interesting. It's the spot off the graph that you want to understand. That's it. When something is way off the graph, that's the interesting thing because that's usually where discovery is. And the number of times that I've stopped people in my lab and said, wait a second, go back a few slides. What was that? And then it ended up being something interesting that made their careers. I could count on a few hands.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Line of science, you should be ashamed of yourself for even thinking that give me a break. I'm, you know, why is it wrong to ask questions about this area? What's wrong with asking the question? Frankly, you're the person who's wrong for trying to stop these questions. You're the person who's almost acting like occultist. You basically have closed your mind to what the possibilities are. And if I'm not hurting anybody, and if it could lead to an advance and if it's my time, why does it bother you? I mean, I had a very well-known scientist once tell me that I was going to hurt my career talking about this. If anything, it's enhanced my career.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“If you believe in something, you believe that an idea Valuable, or you haven't approached something, don't let others shame you into not doing it. As I've said, shame is a societal control device to get other people to do what they want you to do rather than what you want to do. So shame sometimes is good to stop you from doing something unethical or wrong, but shame also is something that is circumscribing your environment. I've never let people who've told me, you know, you shouldn't do that.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Looks like a moonshot project. I mean, I've been involved with a lot of NIH large NIH projects, which involve a lot of people in coordination. And they're putting it together.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Actually, I was looking at some of their stuff over the weekend. I'm shocked at the level of organization that they've already got put together.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Better talk to Avi, but my understanding and just actually looking at the sort of the bylaws this morning literally just got them is number one, collect the data on UAP. And number two, collect data on local, potentially local technological artifacts.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Collect the data. I mean, the Galileo project asked me over the weekend to join, and I did. So, you know, I'm not a specialist in any of the stuff that they're doing. But in looking at the list of people who are on there, there are really no biologists on there. So at some point, if my expertise is required for something.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's one of the things. I mean, he's explained how it could be a light sail. And a light sail is certainly within near human capabilities to make such a thing. I think Yuri Milner, he's a Russian billionaire. He's involved. To launch them with laser power, essentially, towards Alpha Centuriura. So it's something that humans could make, I think. Avi's proposal is perfectly within the realm of possibility. I mean, sadly, the thing is, you know, now nearly out of our solar system.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Going to a more and more, you know, I think Avi's insight is an interesting speculation, right? Like I was saying before, people can sometimes look at something and not see it for what it is. Many would just look at that and say, oh, it's an asteroid and dismiss it. There was something odd about the data that Avi picked up on and said, well, here's an alternative explanation that doesn't fit, that actually better fits the models than it just being a rock. And to his credit, he just has ignored the critics because he believes the data is real and is using that then as a battering RAM to go after other things. So I think that's great.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He's maintained his story for all these years with little to no change that I'm aware of. But there's so many other people who are, let's say, experts in that story.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Area because it's something I can collect data on, I can go back to the same individual, collect their MRI again, and redo it. I can hand that MRI to somebody else. They can analyze it. I can get materials. I can analyze them. I can get some of these skeletons. I won't touch any skeletons ever again. But I can analyze it and somebody else can reproduce the data Mean that's what I'm good at. And so, you know, I'm not going to go into the whole, I'm not a historian.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Don't believe in the Bob Lazar story, to be quite honest. I mean, Jeremy Corbel has done a great job interviewing him and has done some beautiful documentaries. I just don't, I can't. I don't know how to interpret it. And again, there's some of the people who Fraternize with, think it's all rubbish, but maybe he's right, but I don't know. I mean, the problem is, and, um, This is a little bit different about how I approach the whole area than a lot of others. I'm less interested in going over old paperwork and all these old histories of who said what the whole he said she said of the history of UFOs. A scient I worked on the brain”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Now, if your reasons were selfish, if your reasons were you wanted to do it because you wanted to monetize it yourself to your benefit, but against that of others, then I think maybe there's something else that could be said. But an opportunity to get all this information out if I were in charge, I would try to do it. I might be shown something, though, that says there's a reason why you don't want to let anybody know this. Maybe you don't want everybody having access to unlimited energy because maybe you might turn it into a bomb.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, if I were, I think I think it's something that can bring humanity together, right? I think that knowledge of this kind of thing to know that we are We are more alike than we are different in comparison to whatever this is a positive thing for us. And to know, you know, I don't necessarily care that the government has been hiding it. And I think, you know, people who've been talking about what we should give. Government officials or whatever amnesty. I think that's probably the right answer. This isn't a time to look back and say you did something wrong. You did whatever you did because that was the data you had available to you at the time. And you had good reasons.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It is to put it inside another company where they have a set plan of what it is they're going to do and the scientists either do what the executives tell them to do or not. That isn't how anything will really get discovered. Get it out into the public, get open minds thinking about it, and then publishing on it and doing the right kind of work. That's how real progress will be made with this.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I might not have ever gotten involved in it if there wasn't money. I might have gone and I was going to be a botanist when I was a kid. That's what I wanted to do. So having money available will bring people to bear. Now, another mistake that's often actually made, I think, by the lay public about science is that people think that we're paid to do things. Just as you said, I get a research grant and luckily from the NIH, they give you a fair amount of latitude. I will go my own way and I'll find something I might have proposed something, but I'll end up somewhere entirely different by the end of the project. And that's how good science is done. You follow the data. You follow the results. And so that's what I'm hoping can be done here. I think the worst kind of thing that could be done with this subject area.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, no, no, no. I mean, when I meant capitalist, I didn't mean in the, they'll start companies per se. I mean, we can only do the research where there's money. And so maybe it's a bad use of the term capitalist. But we will only do the research where there's money. I mean, why do most people work? Many biologists work in cancer research because there's a lot of money there. It's an important problem”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Of my own pocket. And, you know, but the amount of money that needs to go in is in at least a few millions to do a proper analysis of these materials. The work I know that the Galileo project is involved with, it's probably in the 5 to 10 million range to get stuff done. But that's actually a relatively modest amount of money to accomplish something that has been in the zeitgeist for decades.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I hope so. I mean, nothing is set in stone yet. So, you know, and I'm not hiding anything because I just don't know anything. But I do think that there will be public efforts. Now, there are being set up other private efforts to bring monies involved and to use that to leverage and get access to some of the internal resources as well. So what you're seeing is kind of an ecosystem building up in a positive sense of people who are willing to do the research. So before it would be, you couldn't even go to a scientist and ask them to help. Now, if there's money, as I said before, scientists are essentially capitalist. We go where the money is. I mean, the work that I've done I did out of my own pocket. And probably about 50,000, 60, $70,000 of money went into the paper we published.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Think there's still a tug of war going on behind the scenes as to who's going to control this. But I do know, though, that money has been set aside that will be used to make things more public, right? To start to get others involved. And I'm involved with an effort to get other academics involved.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I agree. I agree. I wish we were, it was different, but it's the world we live in. But related to that UIP task force announcement that you just said, the bill was passed in the Department of Defense and now a formally established an office to collate that information and also to be transparent about it money is now set aside, right?”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Approach. He said, I'm not going to wait for the government to give me telescopic information about technologies or things that might be even in our own solar system. I'm just going to collect it myself. And that's the right way to do it, right? Don't wait for somebody else to give it to you.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That I think this is actually partly true with the maturation of human social technology. It was becoming so obvious that this stuff was showing up again and again and again around our ships. They just couldn't keep it quiet anymore. And so it's like we need to do something about it. And Lou Alazondo and Chris and others, to their great credit, found the right angle to talk about this. Says, well, okay, let's say it's not out there. Maybe it's the Russians, the Chinese, or somebody else. We should know about this because we damn sure know it's not us. So that to me is an important thing to finally be a little bit more open about the matter. But like I often say, I'm not looking for people to give me permission to do anything. I'm just going to do the analysis myself with what I have. Avi Loeb has taken the same.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's true. Yeah. But it's also, I think, the people who were worried that the populace at large might run screaming into the streets and riot. They basically the empiric evidence is they're wrong, these videos and all these things have been out for now, what, five years? Most people don't even know about it, right? So as hyped as it's been in all over the newspapers that it's been and et cetera, even Tucker Carlson has talked about it many times on his news program, Joe Rogan has, a lot of people don't know about it. So I think people, if it's not affecting their day-to-day life, They're going on with their day-to-day life. But that said. I think it was an important sea change in the internal discussions going on in the government. And the reason being,”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In some of my Twitter feeds when I dare to go on Twitter are full of well, when are you going to give us the answer? Science is not immediate. You got to have to be patient. And even some of my science colleagues have said, well, where's the data? My answer to them has been your work to try to produce any. Know, I'm not here to give you everything on a silver platter”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And so I learned from him. I mean, I'm supposed to be a good scientist, but I learned from him, don't talk about conclusions, just talk about the data. Because data's not wrong. I mean, convince yourself that the data is not wrong or not an artifact, but be careful about your conclusions because whatever is going on, it's much more complicated than we imagine.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And so that's how you interact with them. That's how you influence them. So that was one of the first things that kind of took me back and realized, wow, there's actually, maybe there's a puppet master behind the scenes that's doing this influencing and that all this stuff about aliens is just not true, per se. They're just a representation of something that is meant to influence. So that was probably the most interesting. I mean, the man is brilliant. He's also can be, and I'm sorry, Jacques, he can also be incredibly annoying to have a conversation with because he will pick apart your arguments or anything that you think you know and show you why you don't know what you think you know and he uses the he used the example that for me that is is all you need is one counter example to any conclusion and you're right”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's not meant to influence individuals, it's meant to influence a culture. A whole maybe they don't look at us as individuals. Maybe they look at us as an organism that lives on a planet. Right.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Forward a number of ideas, speculations about what it might be that people are interacting with. The first thing that I learned from him is this notion of what he called kabuki theater, that many of the things that people have seen are, I remember reading his books and thinking he uses this word absurd a lot. The things that people claim they see are absurd. Right, a ship doesn't land in a farmer's field and then come up and knock on the door and say, can I have a glass of water? And these are stories literally out of newspapers from the 1930s. It's absurd. You know, and the other thing that people say, ships don't crash. If you're so technologically advanced, you don't crash. It's absurd that they crash. This is put on as a show. It's meant to, it's an influence campaign.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I met Jacques actually soon after the whole Atacama thing happened. I was visited by those people associated with the government and whatever around the Havanas, what ended up mostly being Havana syndrome patients, but also Jacques at the same time. And they were actually working behind the scenes with each other that, oh, here's this Stanford professor who is willing to talk about this stuff and investigate things. Maybe we should go talk to him. And he reached out through a colleague and he and I had lunch actually at the Rosewood Inn up on near Sandhill. So Jacques is one of the first openly active scientists and he's really a scientist in this area. Going back to the 1960s. And he's”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Just material, a piece of metal is interesting. And several of the things that I've looked at and things that people, other things that people have come to me with, we've found to be completely banal or were actually pieces of aircraft that were invented back in the 1940s. And so take them off the table”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's a long term plan. So, I just don't know what to make of it, except it's interesting. But so a different kind of question that you're asking is what constitutes evidence? So is this Sufficient evidence absolutely not. But somebody's put it forward. I have the time. It's my time. Study it, and I my objective is to sort of take those that I think are credible enough and do a reasonable analysis, put it out there, and maybe somebody else will come up with an idea as to what it is. Now, what would be better Some sort of true technology, right? Something that is obviously, we don't have it. And people like Neil deGrasse Tyson and Seth Shostak have come out rightfully and have said, you know, when you show up with something really obviously technology that we don't understand, then we'll pay attention”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And again, it's not something you would just throw around. And why would you do it in the hope that some guy 30 years from then would pick it up and study it?”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“One of the chains of custody, we had two pieces from the same chain of custody. Two pieces from the other chain of custody Of them had completely normal. Magnesium isotope ratios, magnesium 24, 25, 26. And the other was off, not just like slightly off, way off. And they were both off to the same extent. So, I mean, it was sort of like you had an internal control. What was normal? Then you had this other one which was wrong. And so you're left with What kind of an open question This is a hoax? Were these two chains of custody, one of them a hoax that somebody purposefully introduced those things? Because you could do it. It would cost a lot. I mean, at the time that this was found, I guess the 1970s or so might have been earlier, I forget. Amount that I had would have cost several tens of thousands of dollars to make.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Interesting one. So a fisherman saw an object that released something or it exploded and it was this, you know, I've got some big chunks of it relatively pure magnesium with obviously something else in it because magnesium burns. So it had something in it that would other metals simple alloy that would prevent it from basically burning up And so the question is, so then we had two pieces that came from two different chains of custody. Both claimed to be from the same object. Least physically, when you look at the two things, they look The same, right? So we took small fragments of each of them. We put them in an instrument called a secondary ion mass spec, which is an extremely sensitive instrument. And it can see down to 0.0001 mass units, which is important for, let's say, more arcane reasons, but it's a sensitive instrument.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Engineer isotopes, which today is relatively easy to do, but it's still expensive. For any other reason, apart from, let's say, as anti-cancer. We use stable isotopes in money these days as a counterfeiting tool. You basically embed certain ratios of isotopes in to make it harder for counterfeiters to accomplish. But other than that, we don't do anything with that. So why would you make grams of such material in this one case and drop it around on a beach in Brazil?”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, so the ratios of isotopes for any given element are basically the result of stellar processes. A supernova blew up sometime several billion years ago. That became a cloud. Those atoms coalesced gravitationally to form another sun. A ring that became a rocky planet. And the ratios of the isotopes were determined at the time of that explosion. And so everything in the local solar system is more or less of that ratio, depending upon certain gravitational. But by fragments of a percent, not Whole tens of percent difference. So, what do humans use isotopes for? Mostly to blow stuff up. I mean, the vast majority of the isotopes that have been made in the per pound or ton are things like certain ratios of plutonium and uranium to blow stuff up. We don't make...”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And that's kind of where in some of these cases it gets interesting, right? Because in at least one of the materials, as we first studied it, the isotope ratios of, in this case, it was magnesium are way off normal. And I just don't know why. It doesn't prove anything. All it proves is that it was probably accomplished by some kind of an industrial process, whether it's the result of a process or whether and this is sort of the leftover or whether it was made that way for a particular purpose. I don't know. All I know is that it was engineered. That's it, right? But then it's The question is sort of you go one step deeper why would you engineer it?”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And so there are pretty standard approaches to doing that. Most of them involve a technology called mass spectrometry. And there's probably about five or six different kinds of mass spectrometry that you could bring to bear on answering it. And they either tell you, depending upon the limit of the resolution of the instrument, they either tell you the elements that are there, or they tell you the isotopes that are there. And you're interested not just in knowing whether something is there or not, you are interested in knowing whether they're the amounts of it. And in the case of elements, Many different isotopes are there.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Right, so let's say that there's two classes of materials that I've been given by people, and they're not given by the government or anything, just given people who've collected them and there's a reasonable chain of evidence associated with them that you believe is not just a pebble somebody picked up off a road. Almost always things that people have claimed have either been dropped off as like some sort of a leftover material, molten metals, or they are from an object that was released from this that kind of exploded. They're almost always metals. I have a couple of things that might be biological that are interesting that I haven't really spent a lot of time on yet. When you look at a metal, you basically, well, okay, what are the elements in it? And what's it made of?”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So look at CRISPR as probably the most perfect example of that, these weird sequences in bacterial genomes all arrayed one after the other with these strange sequences around them. But when you looked at the sequences, they looked like viruses. And so, how did they get there? And lo and behold, after a lot of effort and work, well, a couple of Nobel Prizes went out, the door, but these strange things ended up having extraordinarily extravagant possibilities.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Not because I want to disprove it, but because I just wanted to know. And let's get it off the table because it's usually the most extravagant things that are most likely to be wrong. Somewhere in the rubble will be something interesting. And so that's what you do. You get the draws off the table and then somewhere in the data will be something worth. Real inquiry”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, people have said, let's go back to the Atacama case that I was debunking it. Well, debunking is a loaded term. Sort of assumes that you are going in purposefully to prove something is wrong. I wasn't. I was just going in to collect the data. I showed that this one was human. There was another skull that somebody had at one point. It was called they called it the Star Child Skull. I said, you know, I looked at it. I looked at the DNA sequencing that they had done. I said, this is human. End of story. The people who owned the thing at the time disagreed with me. And then eventually another group came in and proved that I was right. And it's not about debunking. It's about getting the more spectacular and hyped cases off the table. I mean, the reason I got interested in it is because somebody was hyping it.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“At once. So, the sad part about it was individuals in the UFO community who wanted to think that there was some sort of conspiracy around it, that somebody had somehow convinced all of my students to lie. I mean, come on. You know, I would lose my job, first of all. And they would all be, you know, in trouble forever.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Don't understand or takes a speculation like that and turns it into a fact. No one ever said that it was that age. We only said that the bones made it look like it was that age. But then we went back and looked for genetic explanations of why things might look the way they did. And if you again read the paper as very carefully caveated to say that these mutations might Result in this. But what we did find was an unexpectedly large number of mutations associated with bone growth. This individual. And it was just Bad roll of the dice, right? You roll the dice enough times with enough people born every year and someone will roll the wrong dice.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Primarily, it had dysmorphias of the brain. And so the first thing I did actually when I got pictures of it, I took it to a local expert at Stanford. And he was on the paper. And he was the world expert in pediatric bone dysmorphias. He literally wrote the book on this because that's what you do. You go to an expert when it's outside of your field of interest. And he said, well, I haven't seen this particular collection of mutations before or this physiology before. But here's what I think it might be. And he said, but based on the size of the thing and the bone density. Would appear to be like six or seven years old. Now, again, that's the thing where I think the lay public.”
2022-02-06 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #262 – Garry Nolan: UFOs and Aliens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source