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  1. “Yeah, exactly. And then you have a period of what he called consolidation, which is basically conservatism. Here's the new system, and we're all going to play by this system. You know, I don't think this is not a populist era, but it is yet to produce, maybe Senator Warren is an exception, the kind of real progressive reformers that the last populace hundred years ago or more produced. And that's what we're looking for. But political parties also have to reform themselves. And that's where we're really up against it because the political parties and their candidates are so dependent on special interests to get elected that they're not about to reform the system that they're dependent on. So we're stuck.”

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  2. “Draining the swamp and so on? No, well, you can define that any way you want to, but all you have to look at in the last six months, he wasn't serious about whatever that any definition you give on the swamp and draining it, he's lost. I think the history of American politics is reform. Edly Stevenson, not Edley Stevenson, but Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. wrote a book on the cycles of reform and what he called consolidation. And usually you have a cycle of reform after a real scandal, not what we call scandal today, but a real corruption scandal. And rules changed, financing of campaigns change. And then that settles in.”

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  3. “400 to 500 of those are former members of Congress, an equal amount former members of administrations. So it is a revolving door. And to the degree the American people are angry, that's what they're angry about. And I join them in that anger.”

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  4. “office. I'm told in the late 70s early 80s there were 146 registered lobbyists in Washington. Today they're over 13,000 and that's the registered lobbyists. That's not all those people who list themselves as strategic advisors, whatever that means. And 400 to 500.”

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  5. “Well, you talked about books. The last book I wrote two or three years ago was called A Republic of Conscience. I think our system is corrupt But I used the classic smaller Republican definition of corruption. In ancient Athens and since then, and including Thomas Jefferson and his colleagues, they didn't define corruption as money under the table, which is what most Americans think of. They said, corruption, which will destroy a republic, is putting special interests. Narrow interest ahead of the common good, what today we would call the national interest. And you well know as much as anyone what Washington is like. When I was”

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  6. “Yes, but Yes, but on circumstantial evidence, I don't have any hard evidence, but I do know that if you set up an administration with Mr. General Flynn, Senator Sessions, and Comey being asked to be loyal, what you're doing is trying to set up protection against investigation. Now that might have worked had it not been for the solid evidence from across the U.S. intelligence community that they dabbled in our campaign. So that's the Achilles heel. When the Russians did that, hacked into our Political system, that then anything going on in the Trump world in Russia becomes fair game.”

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  7. “Depends on what that is. If it was a personal misbehavior, that's one thing. If it's something systematic having to do with money and lots of money and where the money came from and where it went and where it ends up and what ends up where the Trump empire ends up in Russia 20 years from now, that's something else.”

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  8. “Democracy and capitalism in a way. I think there was a little bit of that going on. In fact, I led a 12 year program to modernize the Russian telephone company with a US telephone system, Gorbachev sent that project to me. And that had more to do with the modernization of the Russian economy than any other single event. Now, we should have been doing more of that, and we didn't. The president at the time thought his personal relationship with President Yeltsin was what the bilateral relationship was all about. That's not serious. And now we're in a mess. I guess your question asks what I think about it. I think all the indicators Are to the effect that there is something in the current president's background in Russia that he is trying desperately to prevent coming out. I don't know why, and I don't know what.”

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  9. “You know, I think we missed a huge opportunity. I'm in a minority on this. Back in the 1990s. Of how we could develop a better US Russian relationship post-Cold War. And it was really in the area of institution building. They needed legal systems. They need banking systems. They needed assistance in setting up political parties, really basic.”

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  10. “The movie? I don't know. First of all, I'll be very honest, I think it's bizarre. If anyone had said to me, Any time in my life, somebody's going to make a movie out of you. If I'd been president, maybe, but I wasn't president. So why? And then, I mean, it could have been a not very reputable actor. But then they said Hugh Jackman, I really didn't believe it. I seriously didn't believe it. Now I'm in communication with him. And he sounds by email like an absolutely wonderful human being.”

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  11. “For having Well, I'm going to answer that, but circle back to one thing you said earlier, that I was lost to service. I was available to Bill Clinton for eight years, never was asked to do anything. And I could have been of service to him. I wasn't looking for a cabinet position, but I let him know through mutual friends that I could help in Russia and a number of other places. arms control and a variety of things. With one important exception, I was not asked to do anything in the eight years of the Obama administration, and you had to do with that. And that was to chair a committee at the defense department. So I was available. I just would not do what's fashionable in Washington as lobby for a job.”

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  12. “I predicted it. I predicted it. I said if we turn The press into hunters and the political figures into the hunted. We are going to destroy the leadership of this country.”

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  13. “Myth Matt Bai kill that myth. You have not read it since his book came out, but I had to live with it for 30 years. So we're paying the price. We're paying the price. And I said, if you go back and listen to the five minute, six-minute talk I gave two blocks away when I said I was getting out of this.”

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  14. “I had to live for 30 years with journalists saying we did this because he dared us to. That is totally, absolutely false. But every story I read about myself started with that. We wouldn't have done it if he hadn't dared us or challenged us. They said a quote where you said killed that.”

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  15. “Well, I think you'd have to ask your former profession, what happened in American journalism to Decide That in a competitive journalistic environment where newspapers were beginning to lose readers to what was increasingly tabloid television, that they had to become tabloid themselves, I think historically if you put the pieces together, a man called Rupert Murdoch showed up on our shores in 1985 and went into the news business by 87 for sure and then started Fox News and a whole bunch of other things, created partisan media in America. There was a rush to sell newspapers. Now there was technology has something to do with that. I want to finish, David.”

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  16. “But I'm not going to have every rock, every aspect of my life explored starting day one. It's just not worth it. And that's what I said on the following Friday. When I chose not to continue to run.”

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  17. “I don't want to re-litigate that. But I'm going to have to push back because I've had to live with this. Okay, the original story was false. Then some senior journalists in America whose names were well known decided, well, even if this story is wrong, there must be something there and we're going to explore every aspect of this man's personal life. When that... That's a fact That's a fact. When that paper made that decision, I knew there was no hope of conducting any kind of thoughtful campaign. Just think about it. Just think about that. A very famous editor of one of the largest newspapers in America put his entire news room. On exploring every aspect of my life. So when that happened, I said to myself and others. I don't want to do this anymore. This isn't why I got into public service. I've got nothing to hide”

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  18. “Do you know what? I doubt there's a, I think the vice president has said he will never go to dinner with the woman who's not his wife unless his wife is there. Now, I think he's probably the only man in America, if not the world who...”

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  19. “Well, I'm going to push back against that word. I left the race seven days after the publication of the original story, which was wrong, factually wrong.”

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  20. “On cars brought into the country and insist that 60% of every car sold in America be built in America. I never figured out how you calculated a percent of a car, but nevertheless, I'm sure somebody could have figured it out. So those who were losing in this new economy wanted that kind, wanted to make America great again by keeping the competition out. It was not going to happen. And that really was, I think I want every New England state, including Massachusetts. I won almost all the southern states, including Florida, almost won Georgia, missed by 4,000 votes, and Vice President Mondale said if he had lost Georgia, he would have... So that's how close it came. But then we headed west, and I think I won all the Western states.”

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  21. “Well, the story, and again, maybe somebody out there wrote the story in your former profession. But the story of the 84 Democratic nomination was really the story of this transformation. I think it's true, I've never done the research, but I believe it's true, that every state, and we're just talking about the Democratic Party here, but it did reflect the mood of the people in this state, every state that was benefiting from trade, global trade, supported me. Every state that was losing supported by President Mondale. They supported him, frankly, I don't want to hang this around his neck because he is a good friend. He had a protectionist policy and our current president is talking the same way. Vice President Mondale wanted to put a tariff”

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  22. “It's education and training. And it's lifelong. It's not getting a high school diploma or getting a college degree. It is having a system in community colleges, training programs, and so forth to keep people who are technological or on the margins of it. step ahead or at least current with developments. And there's no”

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  23. “Well, I said the two revolutions were globalization and information. Guess what? We are the world leaders in the second one. So we're trying to fight a rearguard action on globalization when we could have and should have, starting 30 years ago, made, except the fact that the center of gravity in our economy now is Silicon Valley. Metaphorically, that is to say, not five square miles, but Everybody involved in transformational technologies, information, and we see it exploding all around us. So train young people for jobs in this market. I think we've got a half a generation that just has to be taken care of, 55 and above that we haven't taken care of, and they're the ones that have elected this president, mostly white. And you keep coming back, and I think Vice President Gore and a whole bunch of other people would say the same thing.”

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  24. “is marginal at best and it doesn't amount to the stealing of the entire US market. You can't turn your back on reality and history, and even though they're trying to do it on climate and science and a whole bunch of other things.”

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  25. “Well, it's a big agenda And it has to happen pretty quickly to counteract the current policy. I'd like to depersonalize it, and I'll talk about this president, but this administration. What they're proposing to make America great again, if you use the industrial revolution, is to say, we're going to not be an industrial nation, we're going to be an agrarian nation. That is to say, we're going to go from the present to the past, and that's what he's advocating. Never going to work. We can't build and build automobiles cheaper than our foreign competitors. Now, his answer to that is, we will not bring, let them bring their goods into our market. He says, because they're cheating. Well, you can either believe that or you're not. Most trade officials say the cheating is...”

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  26. “And more pervasive. The acceleration is incredible. And what we could have done then is begin develop an education system that didn't end in the 12th grade, that offered dislocated steel and autoworkers training. To make the transition to the new jobs. Now, is a 55-year-old steelworker going to learn computers? Probably not, but he could be put to work doing other things. We just didn't have, this country has been against centralized, quote, centralized planning. And anytime you begin to talk about national programs to make this transition, conservatives say that's central planning. The market will take care of it. Well, the market didn't take care of it. And we still are suffering because 30 years ago, we didn't begin to prepare for this transformation.”

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  27. “I don't know Detroit, I guess. And we all know what that has done in terms of race and urbanization. Over the next century.”

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  28. “I think the better question is what should we have done then if in fact we were entering and I was giving speeches about this before that book came out in the 70s in my first term in the Senate saying the revolutions are globalization and information and they are going to force us into a transformation economically equal to the transition in the early first half of the 19th century from agrarian economy to a manufacturing economy now think about that and if and I know you've read about that period it hugely dislocated I mean farmers lost their farms if they didn't move to Detroit to work in a factory they lost their farms or the farms were consolidated by wealthier farmers But it was a huge shift to the base of our economy, if you will, from Kansas to”

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  29. “Well, the services finally came around to special forces, which our commission advocated. I mean, we had... Guys that you sent to rescue hostages or something like that. But we recommended, and people like me have been consistently recommending, they become the centerpiece of our military because you're fighting indigenous forces in local communities and big army divisions aren't going to defeat them. So expand the special forces, integrate them. I'm in favor of a fifth military service called Special Forces. And you put the Delta Force and the Rangers and the Air Force Special Forces and all of them together. And they're a fifth service to fight terrorism.”

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  30. “Lay out a blueprint. No one paid attention in the second Bush administration. Anyway, so the new Soviet Union, if you'll put it that way, the single enemy is terrorism. And President Bush declared war on terrorism, as it's been repeatedly pointed out, that's declaring war on a method. terrorism is a method for people who want to undermine Western democracy. So is there a military solution to that? Partly, but not totally.”

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  31. “An attack at some point? Yes. Well, I'll quote the report. Actually, the first iteration of it was in an interim report in 1999. And the language in the final report to the new president, George W. Bush, was America will be attacked by terrorists using weapons of mass destruction, and Americans will die on American soil. In large numbers That's as clear as you can make it. They paid no attention. Bracket the fall of'91 with the fall of two thousand one, ten years, we didn't think about the world of the 21st century. And that's what our two and a half year commission tried to do”

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  32. “Yes. Well, I'm not sure your podcast has enough time. That's a book-like question. We made the transition painfully. September 11, 2001. A decade and had transpired since the end of the Cold War. And everything having to do with our security for 47 years had been focused on the Cold War, the Soviet threat. In 72 hours, at the end of 91, the Soviet Union dissolved. So we drifted for 10 years with no real definition of Our role in the world militarily. And we maintained, continued to maintain year after year, a Cold War military. Big bomber fleets, bigger craft carrier task forces, and big army divisions. All of a sudden nine eleven happened, and by the way, I co chaired the commission and predicted it.”

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  33. “To say that we overpowered the North Vietnamese is an understatement. We had ten times the military power than they did. But they had motivation. They were fighting for what they perceived to be unification of their country. So our We are focused on getting all this weaponry over there, but our troops lost. Faith in their leadership, and our strategy was all wrong. It changed three or four times, but it was wrong all along.”

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  34. “Maybe even the best weapons, but if you have the wrong strategy, you're going to lose. So we ought to spend more time thinking about our strategy and our tactics and our doctrine. And only after those first two do you build the weapons. Do you hire the weapons and figure out how many of each of these you need”

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  35. “What I found out very simply in two years was that the committee was asking all the wrong questions. They were all money questions. Why is this torpedo costing so much? Or let's put more money into this tank. And that made no sense to me just from an objective point of view. So I began to study it and talk to thoughtful, reform minded people and came up with the formula, not on my own, but from others, that the first thing that defends the country are people. So if you don't have your people recruitment, training, and retention right, you're going to be weak regardless of the weapons. That was the other thing. All the focus was on weapons. So I put a lot of effort into those issues of retention, training, and recruitment. The second thing was your strategy. You can have the best people.”

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  36. “The military, the management of the military from congressional legislative point of view shouldn't be all in the hands of conservative people. That's not healthy. So I thought a young progressive Democrat could make a difference there. So there was a generational transition, but also an attempt to not permit A huge part of what governing is about defending the country and its security from being in the hands of one party or one ideology.”

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  37. “Yeah, it had been elected twice since South Dakota, not a far left state, and he understood the military, and yet he got trounced. I decided that I had known something about the military. I'd read military history most of my life, off and on. But I thought a lot about committee assignments, and it seemed to me The two best for international purposes were foreign relations and armed services. And I felt much more interested, I was much more interested in the uniform military than I was in diplomacy, but I also was interested in the diplomatic side. So I signed up for armed services and got on there. The idealistic side was...”

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  38. “It's a very good question, and I've thought a lot about it myself. I had pragmatic and idealistic reasons. Pragmatic reasons was, having been through the McGovern campaign, where a decorated combat Air Force pilot of 29 Was running for president and was derided by his opposition as being anti-militaries, just again nonsense.”

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  39. “Jimmy Carter wasn't a liberal in any Rooseveltian sense, and I don't think Bill Clinton was either. Whatever that centrism was, and I never quite figured it out, it certainly wasn't Rooseveltian liberalism, or even Harry Truman liberalism. So we've got a Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. But I don't think Barack Obama was notoriously liberal. He found, for example, a national catastrophe called healthcare and tried to do something about it using, as you all know, many Republican ideas. And yet he's defamed today by the other side as being ultra-liberal. That's just patent nonsense.”

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  40. “I know that the theory is the Republicans have moved farther to right, which is clearly true, demonstrably true. But the idea that the Democratic Party has become more liberal, I think is patent nonsense.”

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  41. “United States Senate No. Caliberne quality has gone down. I'm very reluctant to say things like that because it has a tone of arrogance to it. But they really are not across the board the same size and caliber of the men and women that I served with, mostly men, but few women, thank goodness the number of women has risen and some very high quality ones across the board. But in those days, they were mostly men, and they were Part of it was the greatest generation. Many of these, the Stuart Symingtons and several others had served in World War II as young men. And that made a difference. It really, really made a difference in kind of their sense of the national interest. I don't see it today. There is too much partisanship, but let me comment on the equivalence issue.”

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  42. “Limbaugh radical right people, they would compromise. And now that's something, at least on the right, is not permitted. There is no compromise. And that's why we're stuck where we are. And by the way, all those people are gone and every one of them was replaced by someone who was harder line. So there's been a systematic purge on that side led by big money and influence. I don't think, I know everybody, there's a theory of equivalence. Well, nothing that's happened on the Republican side. It hasn't happened on the Democratic side. I disagree with that. My party has its faults, and it exposes them every day. But I don't think we've had a litmus test ideological purge in the last 30 years of the sort that's happened on the Republican side”

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  43. “World of Difference, David. This simple answer as to how it was then was we cooperated and we got along with each other. Now, were there hardliners on both sides? Yes. The Republicans had a man from North Carolina called Jesse Helms and Strom Thurman and people like that. And on issues of race, they were right out of the 19th or even 18th century on things like that. But there were also then what were called moderate Republicans. And very few people would remember them now. But Jacob Javits of New York or Chuck Percy from Illinois, Mac Matthias from Maryland, Clifford Case in New Jersey. These were mainstream traditional Republicans, but they were not Rupert Murdoch. Thank you.”

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  44. “Right. And it shaded over predictably into invasion of political figures' private lives, which is not, in my judgment, what the First Amendment is about. There's a point where Shining Light on public performance Is not only legitimate but necessary, but when you begin to try to sell newspapers by expose and scandal and invasion of privacy, I'm not trying to protect anyone But I am saying the net effect of that is to drive good people out of politics. There are just high caliber, high quality people that don't want reporters going through their trash or finding out what movies they watch or looking for who they're having dinner with or anything like that. They just say it's not worth it. So that's the price that's paid for that kind of journalism.”

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  45. “Open the door, as I said before, to at the Brale's skepticism, but it quickly became cynicism. And there's a big difference. I think people should be skeptical about politics and politicians. It was the founders of the country wanted them to be, not to just take whole cloth everything that came out of Washington, ask questions. But when it shades over into cynicism and the assumption, however you define it, that there's something wrong with this person unless proven otherwise, that's when it's dangerous. And that was the beginning. And as I indicated earlier on top of that came assassinations and, well, preceded that assassinations. Then, of course, Vietnam, and a whole series of things. Scandals here and there that just created a skeptical, if not cynical, electorate.”

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  46. “And the president resigned August 9th or 10th, and I ended up winning the Senate seat against a two wealthy two-term income, but 60-40, so sure.”

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  47. “Yes. Well, I think my class in the Senate, particularly the new ones But more in the house was called the Watergate Class of Democrats, and there were dozens and dozens of new people who came in. I don't know of the numbers on re-election of. Incumbents that resulted from that, but it was”

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  48. “Yes RFK press secretary very funny man, Hollywood background and so on and he had known Nixon or about Nixon for decades from the very beginning in California and his attitude was Don't be surprised by anything. So that kind of raised a red flag. But then minor stuff. I had a little, my wife and children were back in Colorado by then because I was on the road all the time. I had a little one bedroom flat, pretty primitive near our headquarters. And two guys showed up one day. They wanted to inspect my apartment and the building manager said, who are you? And they said, well, we're at the labor department. And they kind of flashed a phony badge. It was creep. It was Nixonian. They were up to that kind of stuff”

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  49. “You're under enormous pressure from a party establishment to go along with the establishment candidate. And that's what Senator Sanders was saying, what I said years before. And if you can find a way to make those people, make honest decisions and not make, if you will, political decisions, fine. They ought to be in the convention, but they shouldn't be lockstep. I called it a lot of superdelegates when I was a national candidate. Over and over again, they said I was pledged by the front runner months and months and months ago, and I was urged to support him. But that's before you won the New Hampshire primary. And I would think differently now. That's the problem.”

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  50. “I think there's a way I'm not intelligent enough to figure it out, to have it both ways, that to have Automatic delegates. But I think the solution may be they have to pledge that they will make their own independent decision as to who they want to vote for. Because if you're a senator or congressman or a mayor or the party chairman in a state,”

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