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Geoffrey Hinton

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“The tricky one because that depends very much on the political system. And political systems are all going in the wrong direction at present.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think it's beginning to happen already. I wrote an article in the Atlantic recently that said it's already getting hard for university graduates to get jobs, and part of that may be that people are already using AI for the jobs they would have got.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think the joblessness is a fairly urgent short term threat to human happiness. I think if you make lots and lots of people unemployed, even if they get universal basic income, they're not going to be happy.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I really don't know, I genuinely don't know. I think it's incredibly uncertain. When I'm feeling slightly depressed, I think. AI is going to take over. Well, I'm feeling cheerful, I think we'll figure out a way.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There's still a chance that we can figure out how to develop AI that won't want to take over from us, and because there's a chance we should put enormous resources into trying to figure that out, because if we don't, it's going to take over.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“At the time you think I mean, it was likely I would die before her just because she was a woman and I was a man. I didn't. Just didn't spend enough time when I could.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Now, the idea that you should stick with your intuitions isn't going to work if you have bad intuitions. But if you have bad intuitions, you're never going to do anything anyway, so you might as well stick with them.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I guess I have two pieces of advice one is if you have an intuition that people are doing things wrong and there's a better way to do things, don't give up on that intuition just because people say it's silly. Don't give up on the intuition until you figured out why it's wrong. Figured out for yourself why that intuition isn't correct. And usually it's wrong if it disagrees with everybody else and you'll eventually figure out why it's wrong. But just occasionally you'll have an intuition that's actually right and everybody else is wrong. And I lucked out that way. Early on I thought neural nets are definitely the way to go to make AI, and almost everybody said that was crazy. And I stuck with it because I couldn't, it just seemed to me it was obviously right.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“She was one of the two female physicists Los Alas. And then after they dropped the bomb, she moved to China. She was very cross with them dropping the bomb. And her family had a lot of links with China. Her mother was friends with Chem Mao.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think he's my great great great uncle. His daughter His niece married George Bull. So Merry Merrybull was Mary Everest. She was the niece of Everest.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“My feeling is there's not much they can do. This isn't going to be decided by just as climate change isn't going to be decided by people separating out the plastic bags from the compostables. That's not going to have much effect. It's going to be decided by whether the lobbyists for the big energy companies can be kept under control. I don't think there's much people can do to accept for pressure their governments to force the big companies to work on AI safety. That they can do.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I could have done it while I was a Google, and Google encouraged me to stay and work on AI safety, and said I could do whatever I liked on AI safety. You kind of censor yourself. If you work for a big company, you don't feel right saying things that will damage the big company. Even if you could get away with it, it just feels wrong to me. I didn't leave because I was cross with anything Google was doing. I think Google actually behaved very responsibly. When they had these big chatbots, they didn't release them. Possibly because they were worried about their reputation, they had a very good reputation and they didn't want to damage it. So OpenAI didn't have a reputation and so they could afford to take the gamble.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The main reason I left Google was because I was seventy-five and I wanted to retire. I've done a very bad job of that. The precise time you have when I left Google was so that I could talk freely at a conference at MIT, but I left Cuza. I was old and I was finding it harder to program. I was making many more mistakes when I programmed, which is very annoying.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There was a Eureka month or two, and it was a sort of coupling of ChatGB. I'd seen those, and that had a big effect on me. The closest I had to a Eureka moment was when a Google system called Palm was able to say why a joke was funny. And I'd always thought of that as a kind of landmark. If it can say why a joke's funny, it really does understand. And it could say why a joke was funny. and that coupled with realizing why digital is so much better than analog for sharing information suddenly made me very interested in AI safety and that these things were going to get a lot smarter than us.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay, they were very nice to me. They said pretty much you can do what you like. I worked on something called distillation that did really work well. And that's now used all the time. In AI and distillation is a way of taking what a big model knows a big neural net knows, and getting that knowledge into a small neural net. Then at the end, I got very interested in analog computation and whether it would be possible to get these big language models running in analog hardware so they used much less energy. And it was well I was doing that work that I began to really realize how much better digital is for sharing information.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So it could tell the difference between various kinds of mushroom and about twelve percent of image net is dogs. And to be good at image net, you have to tell the difference between very similar kinds of dog and it would got to be very good at that.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, the network that recognized objects is called lags. The company was called DNN Research, Deep Neural Network Research.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I have a son who has learning difficulties. And in order to be sure he would never be out on the street, I needed to get several million dollars, and I wasn't going to get that as an academic. I tried, so I taught a coursera course in the hope that I'd make lots of money that way, but there was no money in that. So I figured out, well, the only way to get millions of dollars is to sell myself to a big company. And so when I was sixty five, Fortunately for me I had two brilliant students who produced something called Alex Net, which was neural net that was very good at recognizing objects in images and So Ilya and Alex and I set up a little company and auctioned it, and we actually set up an auction where we had a number of big companies bidding for us.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It makes it somewhat different from us For some things the physiological aspects are very important, like love, they're a long way from having love the same way we do. But I don't see why they shouldn't have emotions. So I think what's happened is people have a model of how the mind works and what feelings are and what emotions are, and their model is just wrong”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“His skin won't start sweating But it might have all the same behavior, and in that case, I'd say, yeah, it's having emotion. It's got an emotion.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, you replace them by an AR agent. The AI agent needs to have the same kind of responses. If someone's just called up because they just want to talk to the AI agent and are happy to talk the whole day to the AI agent, that's not good for business. And you want an AI agent that either gets bored or gets irritated and says, I'm sorry, but I don't have time for this. Once it does that, I think it's got emotions. Now, like I say, emotions have two aspects to them. There's the cognitive aspect and the behavioral aspect, and then there's the physiological aspect, and those go together with us. And if the AI agent gets embarrassed, it won't go red.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think they really are thinking. And I think as soon as you make our agents, they will have concerns. If you wanted to make an effective AI agent, suppose let's take a call center. In a call center, you have people at present. They have all sorts of emotions and feelings which are kind of useful. So suppose I call up the call center and I'm actually lonely and I don't actually want to know the answer to why my computer isn't working. I just want somebody to talk to. After a while the person in the call centre would either get bored or get annoyed with me and will terminate it.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm ambivalent about that at present. So I don't think this is hard line. I think as soon as you have a machine that has some self awareness. Got some consciousness. I think it's an emergent property of a complex system. It's not a sort of essence Throughout the universe, you make this really complicated system that's complicated enough to have a model of itself. And it does perception. And I think then beginning to get a conscious machine. So I don't think there's any sharp distinction between what we've got now and conscious machines. I don't think it's going to one day we're going to wake up and say, hey, if you put this special chemical in, it becomes conscious. It's not going to be like that.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think it's a term we'll stop using Suppose you want to understand how a car works. Well, you know some cars have a lot of oomph and other cars have a lot less oomph, like an Astron Martin's got lots of umph and her little Toyota Corolla doesn't have much umph but umph isn't a very good concept for understanding cars If you want to understand cars you need to understand about electric engines or petrol engines and how they work and it gives rise to oomph but oomph isn't a very useful explanatory concept it's a kind of essence of a car it's the essence of an asterin but it doesn't explain much I think consciousness is like that and I think we'll stop using that term but I don't think there's anything any reason why a machine shouldn't have it if your view of consciousness is that it intrinsically involves self-awareness then the machine's got to have self-awareness it's got to have cognition about its own cognition and stuff”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, well, people have a lot of crazy ideas. People don't know what consciousness is, and they often don't know what they mean by it. And then the fall back and saying, well, I know it because I've got it and I can see that I've got it. And they fall back on this theatre model of the mind, which I think is nonsense.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There's two issues here. There's a sort of empirical one and a philosophical one. I don't think there's anything in principle that stops machines from being conscious. I'll give you a little demonstration of that before we carry on. Suppose I take your brain and I take one brain cell in your brain and I replace it by, it's a bit black mirror-like, I replace it by a little piece of nanotechnology that's just the same size that behaves in exactly the same way when it gets pings from other neurons, it sends out pings just as the brain cell would have, so the other neurons don't know anything's changed. Okay, I've just replaced one of your brain cells with this little piece of nanotechnology. Would you still be conscious You can see where this argument's going.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I better sort of change my way of thinking so I focus and focus and focus and don't get distracted. All of that will happen with robots too. People will build in things so that when the circumstances such, they should get the hell out of there, they get scared and run away. They'll have emotions then. They won't have the physiological aspects, but they will have all the cognitive aspects. And I think it would be odd to say they're just simulating motions. No, they're really having those emotions. The little robot got scared and ran away.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Now, we need to go further to deal with sentience and consciousness and feelings and emotions, but I think in the end they're all going to be dealt with in a similar way. There's no reason machines can't have them all. But people say machines can't have feelings. And people are curiously confident about that. I have no idea why. Suppose I make a battle robot. And it's a little battle robot. And it sees a big battle robot that's much more powerful than it. It will be really useful if it got scared. Now, when I get scared various physiological things happen that we don't need to go into, and those won't happen with the robot. But all the cognitive things, like I better get the hell out of here.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Now, if the chatbot says that, is using the word subjective experience exactly the way people use them. It's an alternative view of what's going on. Their hypothetical states of the world, which if they were true would mean my perceptual system wasn't lying, and that's the best way I can tell you what my perceptual system is doing when it's lying to me.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Very few people believe that, but I'll try and make you believe it. So suppose I have a multimodal chatbot. It's got a robot arm so it can point and it's got a camera so it can see things. And I put an object in front of it and I say point at the object. It goes like this. No problem. Then I put a prism in front of its lens, and so then I put an object in front of it, and I say, point at the object, and it goes there. And I say no, that's not where the object is. The object is actually straight in front of you, but I put a prism in front of your lens. And the chatbot says, Oh, I see. The prism bent the light rays. So the object's actually there, but I had the subjective experience that it was there.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So in other words, what's happened is my perceptual system's gone wrong, and I'm trying to indicate to you how it's gone wrong and what it's trying to tell me, and the way I do that is by telling you what would have to be out there in the real world for it to be telling the truth. And so these little pink elephants, they're not in some inner theatre. These little pink elephants are hypothetical things in the real world. And that's my way of telling you how my perceptual system is telling me Phipps. So now let's do that with a chatbot. Because I believe that current multimodal chatbots have subjective experiences.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'd argue a bit with the innate. The first thing I say is we have a long history of believing people especially, and we should have learned by now we thought we were at the center of the universe. We thought we were made in the image of God. White people thought they were very special. We just tend to want to think we're special. My belief is that more or less everyone has a completely wrong model of what the mind is. Let's suppose I drink a lot or I drop some acid and not recommend it. And I Say to you I have the subjective experience of Little Pink Elephants floating in front of me. Most people who Interpret that as the some kind of inner theatre called the mind which Only I can see what's in my mind, and in this inner theatre there's little pink elephants floating around.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So it's seen many, many analogies, probably many analogies that people have never seen. That's why I also think that people say these things will never be creative. They're going to be much more creative than us because they're going to see all sorts of analogies we never saw and a lot of creativity is about seeing strange analogies.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It had understood the analogy between a compost heap and an atom bomb, and the reason I believe that is if you've only got a trillion connections, remember you have a hundred trillion, and you need to have thousands of times more knowledge than a person, you need to compress information into those connections. And to compress information, you need to see analogies between different things. In other words, it needs to see all the things that are chain reactions and understand the basic idea of a chain reaction and code that, and then code the ways in which they're different. And that's just a more efficient way of coding things than coding each of them separately.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly Excellent. That's exactly what most people would say. It said, well, the timescales are very different and the energy scales are very different. But then it went on to talk about how a compost heap, as it gets hotter, generates heat faster. On an atom bomb, as it produces more neutrons, generates neutrons faster. And so their both chain reactions, but at very different time and energy scales. And I believe GPT four had seen that during its training.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We'll learn new things, it would also see all sorts of analogies that people probably never saw. So for example, at the point when GPT four couldn't look on the web, I asked it why is a compost heap like an atom box?”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Executes the same instructions, so it'll know how to use those connection strengths, and you've recreated that intelligence. So they're immortal. We've actually solved the problem of immortality, but it's only for digital things.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's because they're digital, and you can have two bits of hardware using the connection strengths in exactly the same way. We're analog and you can't do that. Your brain's different from my brain. And if I could see the connection strengths between all your neurons, it wouldn't do me any good because my neurons work slightly differently and they're connected up slightly differently. When you die, all your knowledge dies with you. When these things die, suppose you take these two digital intelligences that are clones of each other, and you destroy the hard where they run on. As long as you've stored the connection strength somewhere, you can just build new hardware.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Learning consists of saying instead of this one giving 2.4 votes for whether that one should turn on, we'll have this one give 2.5 votes for whether this one. Would be a little bit of learning These two different copies of the same neural net Getting different experiences, they're looking at different data, but they're sharing what they've learned by averaging their weights together. And they can do that averaging at like, you can average a trillion weights. When you and I transfer information, we're limited to the amount of information in a sentence. And the amount of information in a sentence is maybe 100 bits. It's very little information. We're lucky if we're transferring like 10 bits a second. These things are transferring trillions of bits a second. So they're billions of times better than us at sharing information.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Let me tell you why I think it's superior. Because it's digital you can simulate a neural network on one piece of hardware. You can simulate exactly the same neural network on a different piece of hardware. Have clones of the same intelligence. Now you could get this one to go off and look at one bit of the internet and this other one to look at a different bit of the internet and while they're looking at these different bits of the internet they can be syncing with each other so they keep their weights the same the connection strengths the same weights are connection strengths One might look at something on the internet and say, Oh, I'd like to increase this strength, this connection a bit. can convey that information to this one so it can increase the strength of that connection a bit based on this one's experience”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think that's a good start. Stops people starving. But for a lot of people, their dignity is tied up with their job. I mean, who you think you are is tied up with you doing this job, right? If we said, we'll give you the same money just to sit around. Would impact your dignity?”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's the problem. I mean, if AI can make everything much more efficient and get rid of people for most jobs or have a person assisted by AI doing many, many. Work, it's not obvious what to do about it.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In a society which shared out things fairly, if you get a big increase in productivity, everybody should be better off. But if you can replace lots of people by AIs, you Then the people who get replaced will be worse off. the company that supplies the AIs will be much better off. the company that uses the AITs, so it's going to increase the gap between rich and poor. And we know that if you look at that gap between rich and poor, that basically tells you how nice a society is. If you have a big gap, you get very nasty societies in which people live in wall communities and put people in mass jails it's not good to increase the gap between rich and poor”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“If I ever decided you to take over? I mean, it would need people for a while to run the power stations until it designed better analog machines to run the power stations. There's so many ways it could get rid of people, all of which would, of course, be very nasty.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I haven't come to terms with what the development of superintelligence could do to my children's future I'm okay, I'm seventy seven. Going to be out of here soon. But for my children and my younger friends, my nephew's a nie Their children I just don't like to think about what could happen. It could be awful”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“A lot of these threats it's very hard to intellectually you can see the threat, but it's very hard to come to terms with it emotionally. Come to terms with it emotionally.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In the meantime, I'd say it's going to be a long time before it's as good at physical manipulation as us And so a good bet will be to be a plumber”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And if you can build software like that, right? Remember that the AI when its training is using code and if it can modify its own code It gets quite scary, right? It can change itself in a way we can't change ourselves. We can't change our innate endowment, right? There's nothing about itself that it couldn't change.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, it might be. It might be even closer some people think it's even closer. I might well be much further, it might be fifty years away. That's still a possibility. It might be that somehow training on human data limits you to not being much smarter than humans. My guess is between ten and twenty years will have superintelligence.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And if you took a general purpose sort of foundation model and then you trained it up on not just you, but every interview you could find doing interviews like this. but especially you it would probably get to be quite good at doing your job, but probably not as good as you for a while.”
2025-06-16 · The Diary of a CEO · Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT