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  1. So much harder than that. I believe that Twitter can be run by 50 people. I think that this is going to take most of, like it's just most of society, right? Like we live in one globalized world.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. Even if you did put a fab on the machine, right? Let's say, okay, we can build fabs, we know how to do that, humanity, we can probably put all the precursors that build all the machines in the fabs also in the machine. So first off, this machine is going to be absolutely massive. I mean, we almost have, think of the size of the thing required to reproduce a machine today, right? Like, is our civilization capable of reproduction? Can we reproduce our civilization on Mars?

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  3. Not even just the computation, it's that reproduction is so inherent. Okay, so like there's two stacks of life in the world. There's the biological stack and the silicon stack. The biological stack starts with reproduction. Reproduction is at the absolute core, the first proto-RNA organisms were capable of reproducing. The silicon stack, despite as far as it's come, is nowhere near being able to reproduce.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  4. I don't think this works. I mean, again, like ants at their very core are made up of cells that are capable of individually reproducing.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  5. Yeah, but structural type of robots aren't going to have the intelligence required to survive in any complex environment.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  6. Well, because it's not, I mean, a 3D printer is a very simple machine, right? Okay, you're going to print chips. You're going to have an atomic printer. How are you going to dope the silicon How are you going to etch the silicon?

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  7. But then you're really moving away from robustness. Of life is capable of reproducing without needing to go to a repair shop. Life will continue to reproduce in the complete absence of civilization. Robots will not. So when the if-if-th-AI apocalypse happens, I mean, the AIs are going to probably die out because I think we're going to get, again, super intelligence long before we get robustness.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  8. Let's just focus on them reproducing, right? They have microchips Then do they include a fab? And how are they going to reproduce?

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  9. What's interesting about everything we build, I think we are going to build superintelligence before we build any sort of robustness in the AI. We cannot build an AI that is capable of going out into nature and surviving like a bird. A bird is an incredibly robust organism. We've built nothing like this. We haven't built a machine that's capable of reproducing

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  10. I mean, there'll be like, you know, some kind of Amish looking kind of thing, I think. I think they're going to have very strong taboos against technology.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  11. To be fair, do I think AI kills us all? I think AI kills everything we call society today. I do not think it actually kills the human species. I think that's actually incredibly hard to do.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  12. I wish I was more weird. No, like I'm kind of look, I'm drinking smart water, man. That's like a Coca-Cola product, right?

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  13. So, I think the Obvious way to me is wireheading. End up amusing ourselves to death. We end up all staring at that infinite TikTok and forgetting to eat. Maybe it's even more benign than this. Maybe we all just stop reproducing. To be fair, it's probably hard to get all of humanity.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  14. Somewhat surprising, but you see, it's the little red button that's going to be pressed with AI that's going to Know, and that's why we die. It's not because the AI, there's anything in the nature of AI. It's just the nature of humanity.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  15. Yeah. What you want, a total victory in a war is not usually a radiation and eradication of the people there. It's the subjugation and domination of the people

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  16. I think there's an answer. I think it's actually very hard to deploy nuclear weapons tactically. Very hard to accomplish tactical objectives. Great. I can nuke their country. I have an irradiated pile of rubble. I don't want that. Don't I want an irradiated pile of rubble All the reasons no one wants an irradiated pile of rubble.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  17. The machine is a machine. But the human gets the machine, and there's a lot of humans out there very interested in manipulating you.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  18. See, and that's the whole AI safety thing. It's not the machine that's going to do that. It's other humans using the machine that are going to do that to you.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  19. Don't even know what it'll look like, right? Like again, you can't imagine the behaviors of something smarter than you, but a super intelligent, an agent that just dominates your intelligence so much will be able to completely manipulate you.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  20. Well, it's a question about how much intelligence is behind it, right? So the content is being generated by, let's say, one humanity worth of intelligence. And you can quantify a humanity, right? That's a, you know, it's. Hexaflops, yada flops, but you can quantify it. Once that generation is being done by 100 humanities, you're done.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  21. Think it's worse than that. Infinite jest. It's introduced in the first 50 pages is about a tape that you, once you watch it once, you only ever want to watch that tape. In fact, you want to watch the tape so much that someone says, okay, here's a hacksaw, cut off your pinky, and then I'll let you watch the tape again and you'll do it. So we're actually going to build that, I think, but it's not going to be one static tape. I think the human brain is too complex to be stuck in one static tape like that. If you look at like ant brains, maybe they can be stuck on a static tape. But we're going to build that using generative models. We're going to build the TikTok that you actually can't look away from.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  22. Kind of, it's like middle of the curve, right? So there's like that intelligence curve And you have like the dumb guy and the smart guy, and then the mid guy actually being the mid guy is the worst, the smart guy is like, I put all my money in Bitcoin. The mid guy is like, you can't put money in Bitcoin. It's not real money

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  23. If your loss function is categorical across entropy, if your loss function is just try to maximize compression, I have a SoundCloud, I wrap, and I try to get ChatGPT to help me write wraps. And the wraps that it wrote sounded like YouTube Common wraps. You know, you can go on any rap beat online and you can see what people put in the comments. And it's the most mid-quality rap you can find.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  24. You know, when I talked about will GPT-12 be AGI? My answer is no, of course not. I mean, cross-entropy loss is never going to get you there. You need probably RL in fancy environments in order to get something that would be considered like AGI-like. So, to ask the question about why, I don't know, like it's just some quirk of evolution, right? I don't think there's anything particularly special about. I ended up Where humans ended up.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  25. Well, yeah, but I mean, models have consistency too. Models that have been RLHF will continually say, you know, like, well, how do I murder ethnic minorities? Oh, well, I can't let you do that, Al. There's a consistency to that behavior.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  26. I don't think there's a clear line there. I think it's all kind of just fuzzy. I don't know. I mean, I don't think I'm conscious. I don't think I'm anything. I think I'm just a computer program.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  27. Well, that maybe is even scarier, right? Like we already exist in a world of nature. Nature has been fine tuned over billions of years. To have Humans build something and then throw the knob away in some grand romantic gesture is horrifying.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  28. Yeah, I think so. Or, I mean, you can't get out of this by smashing the knob with a hammer. I mean, maybe you kind of can. Into the wild when Alexander Supertramp, he wants to explore something that's never been explored before, but it's the 90s. Everything's been explored. So he's like, well, I'm just not going to bring a map. No, you're not exploring. You should have brought a map, dude. You died. There was a bridge a mile from where you were camping.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  29. Artificial difficulty is difficulty that's like constructed or could be turned off with a knob. Real difficulty is like you're in the woods and you got to survive.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  30. There's a Star Trek Voyager episode where Catherine Janeway lost in the Delta Quadrant, makes herself a lover on the holidays. Lover falls asleep on her arm and he snores a little bit, and Janeway edits the program to remove that. And then, of course, the realization is, wait, this person's terrible. It is actually all their nuances and quirks and slight annoyances that make this relationship worthwhile. But I don't think we're going to realize that until it's too late.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  31. Maybe you can just play a game where you have the George Hots answer and the George Hots model answer and ask which people prefer.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  32. Remembered half the things I said on stream. Someday someone's going to make a model of all of it and it's going to come back to haunt me.

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  33. You know, I sell phone calls to comma for $1,000. And some guy called me and like, you know, it's $1,000. You can talk to me for half an hour. And he's like, yeah, okay. So time doesn't exist. And I really wanted to share this with you. Like, oh, what do you mean time doesn't exist, right? Like, I think time is a useful model, whether it exists or not, right? Like, does quantum physics exist? Well, it doesn't matter. It's about whether it's a useful model to describe reality. Is time maybe compressive?

    2023-06-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #387 – George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source