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  1. “Well, it has been a lovely experience, but I just want to say that it was actually me that asked you on the stage, if I could come on. Yep. And you were very reluctant because I said you only have Labour MPs on. So thank you for having a conservative. It's really, really been a pleasure. Thank you.”

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  2. “Well, I go into school sometimes, they don't even know I am. In fact, most times they don't even know who I am. But I go into schools. And what do you see? You know, you just see the energy of the kids in there. You see the enthusiasm and professionalism of the teachers. You see the dedication of everybody in that school. And you see the outcomes improving. We haven't really talked about technical education, but every lawyer doing a lawyer's apprenticeship or accountancy apprenticeship or a nuclear science or a space engineering apprenticeship, none of that would be happening if we hadn't put that in place. That is the good side. You can do things and you can deliver things that change people's lives. And there's so many stories of people who have used the apprenticeship system or used the technical education system, skills boot camps. They're a new addition to transform the outcomes of their life.”

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  3. “The bad side is you become a public figure. And when I was first thinking about politics, which somebody else suggested to me, I didn't even think about it, which sounds terrible. But I thought of lots of things I thought about, you know, the difference in the jobs, the difference in the sort of lifestyle and how you live in two places and all of that stuff. I thought about what you could do and how I'd have to get used to understand the world of politics.”

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  4. “Advertising revenue is now being shared with social media platforms, social media influences, promoters, podcasts, everything, right? The landscape has absolutely changed. And if you think of podcasts aside, actually, I think they're a good addition, but if you think of some aspects of influences or promoters, you know, they need lots of clicks, right? That's what they're trying to do to get lots of clicks. And that is what is happening and it's changing the aspect, I think, some aspects of our media.”

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  5. “Probably the best example of that, which is just to bring it to light to your listeners, was actually when I got into the papers because of the RAC decision, or more importantly probably because of swearing on camera. And I got followed by cameras, but more importantly, they followed me on holiday where my family, my mum and dad were there and they were knocking on neighbours' doors and all my neighbours were saying because I'd have a house I'd live there for many, many years were saying we didn't even know she was an MP. She's had a place here for 20-odd years. We didn't even know she was an MP. And can you just imagine my poor parents, you know, they still live in the same house they've been in since I was 10 years old. They don't really know much about politics. And, you know, they've got these, they're being doorsteped by these journalists when they're on holidays. So it's quite astonishing. What I think has happened is the whole media landscape has changed. Media is obviously, with the exception of BBC, is largely funded by advertising revenue.”

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  6. “Well, that's up to the inquiry. So, the inquiry can call whoever they want, and I am certain if they called him he would obviously fully cooperate.”

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  7. “Well, yes, but to be honest, I think the inquiry has been set up over two years ago. And that, you know, the job of government now is to obviously speed this up because it has taken too long and make sure those are affected get paid compensation, fair compensation. That's what we're doing. But the judicial inquiry, which was set up two years ago and is very thorough. And Wynne Williams, I think, is doing a great job as well as Jason Beer as well, the KC, but they will bring everybody in. They will ask tough questions under oath and everybody should fully cooperate with this inquiry. And everybody, they will get to the bottom of this. And when they get to the bottom of it, people will be held responsible.”

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  8. “I mean, you always have a responsibility to be open and transparent about everything. And what happened, I mean, obviously there's a lot of talk about Horizon and the post office. And what was just an unbelievably truly awful miscarriage of justice. And I first lent with this. I met some postmasters in my own constituency when I was very newly an MP. And their stories, they're unbelievable, they're heartbreaking. In fact, I mean, they did move me to tears. Village subpostmasters. They've been there for decades. There were trusted pillars of the community. Suddenly their livelihoods ripped away from them and their reputation shredded.”

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  9. “Well, the first thing I say is I've had loads of jobs. I've actually always loved working. I love it. But I love this job. It is the best job I've ever had of all the jobs I've had. I mean, what makes it really fun? I mean, mostly actually the constituency stuff. You know, you can really help people when they're at their kind of lowest ebb, when they've tried everywhere else. They've tried to get things solved. They've tried to, you know, battle the system. And you can help them. There's so many ways that you can try and unblock things for people. That's a huge privilege to do. It's a very different organization, right? Everybody in politics gets one vote. And therefore it's very equal whilst being very hierarchical. And the hierarchy changes all the time. That's a very unusual dynamic. So you do find, you know, lots of things that happen that you don't always feel that you can control every aspect of it. But all you can do is do your best to try and, you know, sort of push forward to improve things.”

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  10. “The British public are so fair and they voted for breakfast, but they are so fair that you could never accuse the British public of not being fair. And yet this is something that's happening. And, you know, look at what's happening in Europe. 80% up. You know, the small boat crossings are 30% down. I know you don't like the numbers, but it's an incredibly difficult problem, but it has to be solved.”

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  11. “I see it as a major shift that we have to do to make sure that we control our borders and we do so fairly. The British public are so fair.”

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  12. “Unfortunately, that has meant that the criminals have moved into people trafficking. Human trafficking, and they are basically selling dreams and delivering nightmares. And that is what we're on the end.”

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  13. “I think we're all being driven into a place we never expected to be by the size of the immigration problem and the fact that the organized criminals are not going to go away. Obviously we try and we take boats, we try to get to the source, the National Crime Agency are working with everybody to do as much as possible. But these people will always find, you know, they find a way. I was very struck, and this is kind of, you know, I was in Tanzania going to see a refugee camp actually with Leila Moran and Jess Phillips because I am not tribal and I have lots of friends in other parties. But I was very struck because we were talking to people then. They were talking about the successes they'd had in crushing the drugs routes and the drugs trades that were going through there. And they said to us.”

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  14. “We've said very clearly that we've obviously got to go as far as we can. And this is probably the toughest legislation that we've ever introduced on immigration because we're facing the toughest circumstances we've ever faced on immigration. So those two things need to go together. But, you know, of course that needs to be within the respectable legal arguments and be able to defend itself in the law. And of course that needs to, you know, we need to be as tight as possible, but we also need to make sure that there's a spectral legal argument. But no one's had to deal with this before. And we have to deal with it.”

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  15. “Because what he Well, no, it's become such a big thing because of two things. One is the migratory pressures all around the world are increasing and will continue to increase. The second is that there are organized criminals who have now moved into this space and created a business model which is actually going to just continue to fuel it. So it is a big issue. It's a big issue in our country. It's a big issue in Europe. You've seen it impact politics in Europe. It has to be dealt with. So when you say and go back to try and imagine what Margaret Thatcher would do, she would do, I think, what we're doing now, which is in the face of that, almost impossible to imagine how you can stop it. What more can we do? And obviously there's lots of things within the policy working with the NCS, trying to smash the gangs.”

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  16. “The country, I think, made the right choice. So that's the way I look at it. And once the country's made a choice, I do what I can. We all talk about, and Rory talks about it a lot, you know, what a privilege it is to be able to serve your country in government.”

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  17. “I'm what the Conservative Party is, which is pragmatic, right? So, I mean, one of the things that always strikes me, because, you know, I know that you go on about Boris quite a bit, but it always strikes me that you call him Johnson. Well, it always strikes me, though, you know, first of all, you go with the majority vote, right? That's the whole system that we have, whether it's on leadership, whether it's who governs the country. The choice that the country had in 2019 was Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn. I think they made the right decision because I am pretty certain that Jeremy Corbyn would not have presided over the fastest vaccine rollout in Europe. I'm pretty certain that he would not have stood up immediately when Ukraine were invaded by Russia. I'm not even sure we know which side he'd be on. And I'm pretty certain that when Israel was invaded on the 7th of October, he would not have defended Israel, supported them, and said they have the right to defend themselves. That was the choice at the last election.”

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  18. “Yeah, I mean, I voted for Rory. I didn't vote for Boris. I didn't vote for Liz, and I voted for Rishi. And I think Rishi is great, actually. I do. I've worked with lots of people in many, many different parts of the world, in many different geysers.”

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  19. “Well, I regret swearing on telly. Yeah, my mum wasn't very happy. But I don't regret the decision at all. No, the decision. I just felt when I said, you know, I actually did feel grateful that I could make the decision, that the work that had gone before me quite recently, they had the information so I could say this is where we're going to. Let's just brief this all back.”

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  20. “Absolutely. I mean, horrendous. So, what happened is some of the panels that failed had previously been judged as non-critical. So I had all the engineers, the institution of structural engineers. So what's the difference between the non-critical here and the non-critical there? I wasn't willing to take any risk at all that a panel could fall on children's heads. So it was very cautious. But I said, okay, I don't want to open the schools. I want to get where all this rack is and I want to get those ceilings made safe immediately. And we kept most children in face-to-face education. The teachers did a brilliant job and the head teachers did a brilliant job.”

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  21. “So, what had happened is they'd gone around, they'd been identifying rack. Rack had been either called critical or non-critical. All the critical schools, which there was 52 at the time, all of them were closed straight away. All of the kids were put into face-to-face via porter cabins or via using other space in the schools. We had done that for 52 without a single media inquiry. What happened was there was 104 that were judged as non-critical. Over the summer, in other settings, there were panels that failed and we were so concerned about this that any panel that failed anywhere, we were sending engineers to go and look at it.”

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  22. “Been going on. I mean, this is from buildings from the 50s, 60s, 70s, right up to 94 when we stopped using it. So it's been going on for years.”

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  23. “No, it wasn't me. So what happened with that incident was, and I'll call her out actually, the Lord's Minister, Baroness Barron, way before I got there, had set about, and actually I think it started under Nadim Sahawi, but she had continued making sure that we tried to get these questionnaires. We've got 22,000 schools in the country, 65,000 buildings, so we could, so we knew where RAC was. And she had, against the odds,”

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  24. “My best friend looked at that and she said, I know exactly what happened. She said, You'd finish the interview. You went to take the mic off. And then someone has asked you for a photo because I saw you do this with your hair and start messing with your hair. And that's exactly what happened. So they said, can we take a shot? And so I thought, and actually.”

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  25. “Looking at data that's averages, and at that level, it is definitely all the things we say are true. But of course, if you're not living that experience, there's no way that any of that makes a difference to you. So that is why you need to get both sides when you're developing policy.”

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  26. “For 45 years, so I'm definitely not. But we worked with people, and actually I met a care lever this week who's doing level two, Angelina, who's fantastic, was doing a level two business admin apprenticeship. And, you know, our life's been turned round. So we have to get to those areas, you have to work with people who live in the experience. And they can help you most in terms of defining policy. And what are the things that we're trying to do is to make sure that we look at there's only 85,000 people in this situation. And I just believe that we should really focus on trying to make sure that we remove all the barriers in their life. We help them and we recognize that none of us would be where we are today without our parents. Can you imagine trying to get on in life without your parents? And that is, you know, I take that very seriously. And that's how you try and get from trying to do it across the whole country.”

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  27. “Actually, I'm not. My best friends voted Labour and voted leave. And, you know, I voted Remain and I'm a conservative. She's been my best friend.”

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  28. “So they've already had a lot of challenges to overcome, and their parents often have as well. But yeah, there are people who grow up either with foster parents or within care homes and systems within the government and local authorities usually look after them. But you look at the outcomes and they're really, really awful. So when you're designing, what should you do? The first thing we've done is go and work with a whole load of people who are in care and who have left care and understand what is it that has got in the way. And there's loads of things and what can we do to make sure we take those barriers away. So we've just not long ago had a new strategy which we worked with Josh McAllister, actually he's now a Labour candidate, but we worked with him because, you know, I'm not actually tribal at all. I work with anybody who's got some experience and good idea.”

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  29. “And that they get a really rough deal. Care leavers get a really rough deal. So if you look at care leavers and the outcomes for care leavers for homelessness, for employment, all things which massively affect their life chances. Care leavers is a...”

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  30. “Yeah, so I think the nub of the problem is when you're dealing as a cabinet minister responsible for a whole department, what you're dealing with is you're always looking at the average across the country. You're looking at the averages everywhere. I do go into the detail to look at where those averages are different in different places or where the contrasts are. But of course, when you're dealing with the average and showing that on average, school standards have gone up on average more people are getting access to technical education and apprenticeships on average. There will always be someone who sat there that says, that's not my lived experience at all. And the whole thing that you need to do when you're trying to define policy, for example, is make sure that you don't just look at the averages, but you get people who are actually got that lived experience. So one of the good examples we've done recently is care leavers. Now, you know, I know you talk about prisoners a lot.”

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  31. “We're actually investing more And actually, to be honest, growing up in Knowsley, the one thing I learned about education is money doesn't solve everything. They spent a fortune on Knowsley education, but it actually didn't improve the outcomes. The outcomes are improving now, but they're still nowhere near where we want them to be. But the most important thing is that children get a good education to enable them to get the GCSEs, then the level three, whether it's A-levels or they go onto an apprenticeship or B-tech or whatever, T-levels. That is the most important thing. And you see now the outcomes are improving for children. That's why we're going up the league tables internationally. That's the hard work of teachers is really delivering on that.”

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  32. “That's not what matters. What matters is whether they come out with the qualifications at the end of it. And that's why we...”

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  33. “The real full time, and obviously they do placements in schools, but they weren't getting the support actually they needed to cope with what is a new environment every day within a school. So we've put mentorship places system in place. And actually, it's starting to improve. But the teaching apprenticeship is another route to get more and more people. I want TAs to want to become teachers. There's many fantastic TAs. We have 56,000 more TAs than we had in 2010 and 27,000 more teachers. Yeah, teachers and assistants. You know, many of them will be able to go on to become great teachers. I want the roots to enable them to do that.”

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  34. “I wanted people to accept them as an equally valid route, and I knew that that was a bit of an uphill struggle because I tried it all my life. But I thought I'll get an accountant's, a doctor's, a lawyer's apprenticeship, and I'll get Morgan Stanley and I'll get Goldman Sachs and I'll get financial analysts. And that will do the work for me. So that's one of the first things I did as apprenticeships and skills minister. And I tried to get a teaching apprenticeship. So you can go into teaching. You can learn on the job as well as doing your degree alongside it. Because then you get more used to the sort of lead-in. Because what you did find is teachers were leaving in the first two years. And that was when they went from the classroom to...”

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  35. “And that's exactly why in 2019 we put a recruitment and retention strategy in place, which included getting to the starting salary of £30,000, which was in our manifesto, which included focusing on shortage subjects as well, which included on looking at more routes into the profession. So one of the first things I did when I was the apprenticeships and skills minister, which is my first ministerial job, was I wanted to put apprenticeships on the map and I wanted to have an apprenticeship.”

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  36. “The whole world's got a recruitment and retention difficulty in almost every sector post the pandemic. There's been a dislocative impact on the labour market and that's impacted everything from nursing to teaching to tech to pretty much everywhere. That's why we've got nearly a million vacancies in the country. And it's not just our country, it's all over the world.”

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  37. “Yes, yes. So very difficult economic times. I'm going to get two billion pounds. And I worked with unions. I understood the case. I'd spoken to many head teachers and I put the case for the 2 billion and we got the 2 billion. And so I was delighted, I thought, this great. You know, everybody's going to think this is a good achievement. And, you know, it didn't really last long because, you know, a couple of months later, they decided to take strike action. So I then had to deal with that. And so, you know, you don't have all of the levers, you know, I need to work with many, many different stakeholders. I need to work with many different and they've got their own organizational dynamics. So I need to understand where they're coming from. And then I need to try and sort of figure out how we can get to a position where we can agree. And getting the £30,000 starting salary for teachers was really, really important. You mentioned recruitment and retention.”

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  38. “Yes. And I want what they want. You know, one of the things that obviously we've had some difficulty since, I mean, I took the job and the first time I got the job, I got a letter from the unions, actually, saying, you know, we need £2 billion and 2 billion pounds for the inflationary pressures, some of the cost pressures, plus also the higher than they'd anticipated pay rise from the previous year, £2 billion. And I thought, my goodness, it was just after the mini budget.”

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  39. “You're none of them. So, what you need to do is you're in this extraordinary position where you have the power, as it were, to make the decisions, but the implementation has to be through a completely separate organization that works with its own organizational dynamics. So what you have to do is work out how you can get them to want what you want. And that's the key important skill.”

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  40. “Well, because they're a different organization, and what motivates people in an organization is, you know, their job, their manager, their leader, what's going to get them promoted, what's going to get them on, their work colleagues. You're none of them.”

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  41. “One of the things that's very different as a minister and as a cabinet minister is because you're working through an organisation which is a civil service, you're kind of pulling levers and I think you've described this sometimes. You're pulling levers and actually the levers aren't attached so how do you get the attachment between what you want to do and how to get this massive organization, civil service, to be able to deliver? And that is the key thing.”

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  42. “Yeah, and I think that's one of the things that we need to change actually. Very few people from business go into politics or politics go into business. And there does need to be more crossover. But there is a fundamental difference. So, I mean, obviously I started an apprentice. I'm the only degree apprentice in the House of Commons. So you get that kind of experience, which you can bring to the role because the vast majority of people probably have done the traditional university routes. So, you know, they don't understand the power of an apprenticeship or degree apprenticeship. That's something that I definitely bring. But one of the things that is really different is once you get up the managerial ladder, and I got into senior executive positions, I worked in technology, I worked in banking, I worked in manufacturing, you are accountable, you're responsible, but you do get to set the strategy. You do get to hire the people, you do get to fire the people if they're not performing. You fully accountable for the results. And you yourself will have to bear that accountability, you know, if you don't grow the business, if you lose business or whatever. So it's very highly accountable.”

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  43. “Yes, and, you know, I have a nephew with special educational needs, and I feel very strongly about it because I've seen my brother and sister-in-law, you know, they almost, parents almost feel like they're battling the system. And I don't want them to feel like they're battling the system. I want them to feel like the system is there to support them. So there's a number of things that were put in place, lots of training as well. We're training more educational psychologists. We're training 7,000 more Senkos so that we've got enough people with the specialist skills. When you get a big increase, and it's the same with mental health, we had a quadrupling of demand in children's mental health. So when you get that, you know, it sometimes takes a system of time to catch up because the workforce is very important”

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  44. “Yes, definitely. And we know more about special educational needs. I mean, you know, some of the things that people would have just said, oh, you know, somebody's not able to keep up or whatever. Now we, well, why? What is it? And we try and diagnose and then help the child. There is no doubt that we need to improve our special educational needs offer. And there's a couple of things. We've got a send and alternative provision improvement plan. So we recognize that we definitely need to improve it. One of the things that I think we probably did wrong is we didn't invest enough in special educational needs schools that had some specialist sort of approaches for various special educational needs and many, many more children went into mainstream schools. Some of them wanted to, and they did perform very well. Some of them not. So we now have special educational needs schools where we have lots of people waiting for places. So that's why, you know, we've announced another 15 special education.”

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  45. “So there's a massive increase in special educational needs, and probably there's a massive increase because we just know more. We know more how to diagnose, we know more how to put strategies in place to help children overcome. And we know how important speech and language training is. So we know a lot more and we care a lot more as well about special education.”

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  46. “But listening to the academics and listening and looking at the results and listening to what other countries say about us, I think you can be confident that we are improving our educational standards and that matters. So that's what I'd say. But I don't say that there aren't challenges in schools. One of the biggest ones actually that many, many head teachers mentioned to me, and I don't think that head teacher, Mr. O'Neill mentioned it, but is special educational needs. It does actually.”

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  47. “No, but I'm just saying that the head teacher there has talked about PISA and he said, you know, it's been going on since the 90s. It has, and we were very high in 97, then by 2010, we were 27th and 28th in the world for math and English. We're now 11th and 13th. This really matters because if you look at Scotland, which used to have a fantastic education system, and it is no longer, they are now 27th and 28th and Wales are 33rd and 34th in the world. Now these things matter because what you're doing is saying, you know, how are our children being set up to compete in the future for those jobs? So I look at these and I'd be horrified if I was 27, 28, but if it is, you just have to deal with the situation and do something. There's been differences in the curriculum and the approaches to the curriculum. And I think personally, I mean, I'm not an educational expert or an academic.”

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  48. “Let's be fair. I mean, the people who are delivering the educational standards and the massive improvement in them are our teachers and head teachers. But you said it's been going on since the 90s. In 1997, we were seventh and eighth in the world for maths and English and science. By the time in 2010, in 2010, we were 27th and 28th in the world. So at the beginning of the 97th, I'm just not buying the...”

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  49. “We do still have music and music hubs and focus on those things. And actually, we increased the focus back on foreign languages because that had been taken out of the sort of performance tables we put it back in to try and recover that position. But it has been something that most countries around the world, and I obviously speak around the world a lot to OECD countries, pretty much all of them recognize the transformation in our educational standards in the last 10 years. And in fact, I was in Singapore when we got the news about being fourth in the world at reading. And the education minister said to me there.”

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  50. “There's two things which I could pinpoint. One is phonics and the rollout of phonics all across the country, and the second is maths mastery. The third is probably actually big investment in continuous professional development of teachers, so we have more qualifications in, you know, being able to teach maths at primary, etc. So the focus on standards, I think, and curriculum and educational standards. So before we get on to that, obviously.”

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