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Hansa Bergwal

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“In this world, so that's what I'm interested in. That's really smart. One from Wallace Stevens, the way through the world is more difficult and the way beyond it. And then, of course, Charles Bukowski, who's just a piece of work, we're all going to die, all of us. What a circus. That alone should make us love each other, but it doesn't.”
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“I do believe it's perfectly worthwhile to ask these deep questions in your own faith community. Once we start talking about afterlife, we start to tribalize again into different groups who disagree. But the moment of death is something we absolutely all share. And it can open up a lot of compassion and common feeling of like, you know, how we're all the same. And that's, I think we need more togetherness in this world. So that's what I'm interested in. That's really smart.”
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“We're all made from the same things. The mud of this earth and animated and seemed like. You know, we're here for a short time. We got to be us. That's what's our fortune that we do get to have this day alive. Yep.”
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“Exactly. Well, no, because when people get morbid or something like that, they think, oh, poor me, I have to die or so-and-so. It's just death is normal. Like everyone has to go through it. And you got to remember that. You know, this isn't the world singling you out. It's like, it's just part of the story. And there's a problem in our culture where people going through a big impermanence moment, let's say someone in their family dying, like a spouse or a child, they get shunned. And I hear from these people because they write me and they say, I'm using your app to like help me grieve the death of my son. And like people aren't talking to me anymore. People don't know what to say. And, you know, we actually.”
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“Right, right. And also you should change if you accept the story you're in. That's the fate you get. Here's another one. There's another good one. David Sedaris, if you're looking for sympathy, you'll find it between shit and syphilis in the dictionary. Death exactly, but just funny.”
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“It would be fun. Oh, there's a lot of different things we can do. Yeah, you can do. I thought about it from everything from guided meditations to talks to looking at different impermanence reminders and cultural things. There's cool content you could do.”
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“You know, I just think they have a lot of incentives that are pretty powerful in the brain, like billions and billions and I guess trillions of dollars of what these companies are worth now. Know it creates a lot of incentive to keep that going and that can compromise you. I don't think I have to list here all the problematic things that Facebook and some of these other big tech companies have done. And the thing is, it's pretty predictable that huge pressures like that get you off track. And that's why you need to remember you're going to die. It's a sort of cut away.”
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“This many weeks, and it doesn't One important piece, right? That you're not as safe as you think you are. I always tell them that, and they don't listen, they don't listen, that's okay. Do you think that I always thought that the Death of Steve Jobs would have an impact on them in a way that a more profound way, but it actually sped everything up in a different context? Like it didn't slow things down. And this is the person who sort of gave us the iPhone or got us there.”
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“Are useful in sort of mapping out what you could have and seeing, oh, wow, this really is limited, like the max span I could have is like this many weeks and it doesn't sound like that many. But we don't have a countdown because we think it's a little dicey and that one important piece.”
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“They're not quite right. The issue I have with them is I think that once again that's the any timeless of death is what they forget. They assume you're going to have a natural human lifespan. And I think that is one of the more common delusions that we carry about that.”
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“Well, one, I think we need to remember we're going to die and think is this spot I am today where I really should be? Am I living my best values? And if we're not, what changes can we make? It's urgent. You know, if they were going to write your obituary tomorrow, would you be happy with what they said? That's an important question and with what you built. I think that's really important. So, in a lot of ways, the message I have for Silicon Valley, and it is an app, so it is sort of a message to them. When I was working on it, when Ian was working on it, we were a little angry at them for Creating so much addictive technology that was getting us off track and making us feel bad about ourselves and our friends and stuff. As far as what's next, we'll see. You know, it's definitely going to be in this.”
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“Well, remember, every kind of meditation can be abused except for kindness and death recollection. So they've created an extremely stressful work environment where I've heard from friends people are working like. 60, 80 plus hours a week. So meditation becomes how you cope in an environment like that. You basically can work longer, an insane job rather than realizing this is an unsustainable situation for a human and quitting. So I think meditation is often being abused in that.”
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“Or for hundreds of years. Why do you think that's attractive to the tech people? It is, they do talk about it a lot. Again, they do discuss it, especially life extension things, but in terms of this idea that they're meditating and they're part of a, you know, a greater whole, then they don't live it. That's my, they talk about it a lot, but they don't live it in any way.”
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“That can live 500 years. Right. You know, when you look at those living beings that can live much longer than we do, they live in a particular way. You know, they take care of each other. They're highly networked. They're world builders basically, or they change the atmosphere and the temperatures and the amount of winds that whip through. It makes it a more temperate, easier to live existence. You never hear about how we're making the world much safer for everyone. Frankly, like inequality problems of social kind of things. So the world we're building right now and that Silicon Valley is building at these investors I hear investing in this are building are not making it a place where you can have a lot of assurance that you're going to live forever or for hundreds of years.”
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“The other thing that bothers me about marketing you don't have to worry about death anymore technology to people is it's just I don't even really think they're asking the right questions You know, when you look at, let's say they can turn off a gene that makes us age or make it go much slower, like beach trees or something, like a living organism. It's a word.”
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“No, but it's never going to be foolproof. And it's never going to. Change the nature of the world that you could die at any time. And so, you know. To be frank, you know, we've already had lots of life extension. The average life span used to be like 40, and now it's twice that. And we don't know how to use that time well. Our mortality rate in the United States is starting to tick down precisely because of things like addiction, depression, suicide are apparently the things driving it down. So we don't really even know how to use the extra time we have now per se. a crisis on our hands and I don't really see how pushing that line out further is going to help us do that.”
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“I thought about it though, and they are investing billions or hundreds of millions in this concept. I mean, it's always going to be a dangerous delusion, I think. The minute you make an excuse that death can't happen at any time, a lot of really. Harmful frames of mind start really quickly that just you don't remember the urgency of time. You might Not hold yourself as accountable to yourself and to others. There's just all these kinds of suffering that come from the idea that you can control death. So I believe that strongly. And so far as these technologies are marketed as ways that you don't have to worry about death anymore, I think that's harmful. And, you know, the scientific method is such that we're definitely going to have more life extension problems. Right. It's called healthcare.”
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“And one of the magic cool things about technology is that's not just like some sentimental wish I have in my heart. I actually get to do it, 25 million reminders in the last year. It happens now. Sort of on command through the magic of technology. That's really cool.”
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“Yeah, so it's like you, it's one of the more important things in my heart. If I can tell people one thing that's helped me, it's like, your life is precious. You know, like remember that because it's going to end one day and could be any day.”
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“No, it's a key value for people who have lost parents at a young age. There's some interesting studies in books on that topic. A lot of people become highly functional, and if you've heard very... Nothing bothers them, kind of thing. And the other thing is, they do have a bigger sense that disaster is afoot, not in a morbid way. It's an interesting thing because a lot of people, because I talk about a lot, I think you should actually think about death all the time, or it should be a daily reminder, at least, for you. And people always call me morbid or why are you so death-oriented? I'm like, I'm not. I don't want to die.”
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“It's always sort of haunted me in the sense that no matter how much I got caught up in life, part of me would always feel like this is kind of phony. It could all come crashing down because I knew it could. There's a part of me very traumatized little boy that could feel that. Right.”
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“In the app doing whatever they want, and then they close it. We're proud of that most of the people who even open it five times a day, spend less than two minutes in the app total per day. That's right. Yeah, and that's it. We're trying to give you a little reminder that live what's important to you. And then that's it. We're not going to push you into some like. Twitter hole where you spend an hour responding to people or searching hashtags. If you want to go there, fine.”
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“Because we take the responsibility of reminding people of their mortality, which is a vulnerable thing seriously. So we remind people, we give them a quote, and then we don't encourage them to do anything else. We encourage them to just have a moment.”
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“It's nice not having that pressure right now. We know we're never going to have ads on there because. As soon as you have an incentive to make people buy things through ads, you have an incentive to make them spend more time on it, to sort of hook their attention. In ways that I do marketing for a living. So I know.”
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“Making it something we love. So that gives us incredible freedom to not link to social media, to not have advertising, to not do any of the compromises that frankly a lot of other companies have to make.”
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“This murdress Oh, yeah. I mean, it's a passion project. I love it. You know, Ian, my co-founder loves it. We still have our day jobs mostly because we haven't really thought too hard yet about how are we going to monetize this. We can do that one day in order to spend more time on it. But right now it feels really good to have freedom.”
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“No, but the thing is when you avoid thinking about it, you know, the consequences are usually way worse than trying to remind yourself what's real just because I've personally been stuck in job reputs or in my life ruts for years of my life. And then they're awful. I think back to like whole years of my 20s and I'm like, wow, I wish I could have used that time a lot better. I didn't have this tool yet. It's true.”
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“No, I would agree with it. I mean, it's one of the themes I talk about a lot. It's like, why do you do things? I'm like, I'm going to die. That's why. You tend to understand. You don't have time. You don't have time. It was odd. I took my sentence to see Hamilton last night, and that was a theme in that, which is a very strong theme, and I hadn't realized it until I saw it. I'd seen it before. But the second time is that he writes like he has no time or he's running out of time. And that's clear in his life, you know, because maybe he didn't know that he was going to die as he did at a younger age of a duel of all things. But although when you're going to a duel, you kind of have to assume you could be dying, I guess. But the concept of running out of time is one that is not comfortable for people. They don't like to talk about it. They don't tend to dwell on it and lose themselves in other things.”
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“That our time isn't important, it doesn't matter, and that it isn't precious. So, if we can cut down to that one, we can start breaking away all the ones on top. We don't really know all the ways, you know, you can start believing things about. Life that aren't true, but we can be pretty sure that you're going to start trying to manage your fear of death by making up little negotiations with it. And if we can cut to that, we can cut a lot of the Frankly, diluted ideas. No, I would agree. I mean, it's one of the themes.”
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“Well, when we try Manage our fear of death by saying, Yeah, but I'm not going to die till I'm 90. Let's say Pretty common negotiation where people forget it could be tomorrow or it could be later today. Then all of a sudden life isn't urgent. And you might not notice that you've gotten caught in a rut in a job that you hate, or in a relationship that isn't right for you, or are doing something really unethical and keep doing it. Because you're not really thinking about your time being precious or valuable or important. And so all these other little negotiations that we make sort of are built upon that first lie”
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“There's a deep seated aversion to thinking about death in her brains that seems to be recurring in every single generation. Like it's probably built into our biology. And the problem with it is that it's sort of a first delusion that a lot of other things are built on.”
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“Death experiences. There's a lot of great books from people in hospice, palliative care. The theme of the podcast is actually, you know, all the things we don't talk about enough, starting with death, but not ending there. So really just And on it, there's a lot of people who've written books about palliative care or hospice or done meditation or in philosophy or history. It's been really fun.”
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“Yeah, well, I agree with him, first of all. I find it very clarifying for me as I go about and try to make decisions about what's important to me, how I'm going to use my day and my time, how to have a little bit more courage and let go of the fear of like, hey, I'm going to reach out to this person. Or, you know, I started a week rope podcast. So I reach out to people all the time who are more famous and have more books and are more interesting to me. And it's just, it helps to cut away the things that don't matter and just go after what I do care about.”
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“Yes, you do. You do. And there's lots of things. That whole speech has like 20 quotes if you wanted to pick any of them. But he talks his famous quote is remembering he's going to die is the single most motivating thing of his life. You know, here's a man who was at the time dying and actually recovered that time and then got sick again. But it was a really interesting speech and surprising for people from him.”
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“So, talking about this concept of the idea of mortality, because one of the things, obviously, the most famous, one of the most famous speeches about that is Steve Jobs, his speech about mortality, about dying.”
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“Well, 75,000 people have downloaded it. We get about. Like 12 to 15,000 on it every day, about 25, 30 on it every month. So a lot of people love it and some people try it and don't keep using it. Over the course of the last year, we've sent 25 million reminders that everyone is mortal and going to die. So that feels really, really cool. So it is growing. We've still spent no dollars on.”
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“Right, right, to get up or do anything. So you don't give suggestions, it's just the quotes, and then you also, the linking, talk a little bit more about that, because again, that's people want to grow bigger. I'd love to get an idea of how big you, how people use it. I'm trying to make it bigger. I want people to use it.”
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“So actually, this was a better way, I thought, to do it. It's just like tell you something that's always true and always relevant. You are going to die. And if you like what you're doing in that moment, then great. Pat yourself on the back. It's your choice. And if you don't like where you are at that moment, you know, it's time for a little adjustment. Like put the phone down or Changed it up. Take a walk, you know, do whatever you want.”
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“You know Have struggled over the years with iPhone addiction or something. I don't know if that's the right word for it, but just noticing that I'm spending way too much time on a stupid game or on one of the social media. Who knows what can be really distracting? And sometimes it's okay, and sometimes it's really not. It's not how I plan to use my day. So I wanted something that would occasionally, at a time I couldn't expect to sort of ping me. And I didn't want it to be like, okay, time for a long, deep breath. I really hate people telling me what to believe.”
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“We're here with Hansa Bergwal. He's the co founder of WeCrogue, which is my number one app, I have to say it really is. I love Twitter. You know how much I love the Twitter. I actually put Weak. I'm sorry I do so much flacking for you, but I love it so much. So the idea of not doing anything with it, there's a big trend of this idea of people getting off their phones or not using their phones. Kevin Roos just wrote a great story about trying to get away from it and there's all kinds of things to do to be more measured with the way we're doing it. But you guys decided to use an app to do this because you use your phones, right? Can you talk a little bit about that thought? Because I want to talk about why you didn't add more bells and whistles and where it goes, but you're using a phone to take people away from phones, correct?”
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“And that was that for a few months. And then I spoke to this journalist, Bianca Boskar, over at the Atlantic. And she decided to give it a try for a couple months. And I had no idea what she would do with it. I thought maybe it would be in a bigger roundup or something like that, but it ended up being like a two-page review all about the experience and sort of what it was like to have tech that sort of puts you back on track rather than takes you off that doesn't try to distract you at all. We don't like link to social media or have any sort of other things to do. Yeah. Which was very intentional on the design because we were looking for something to basically bring us back to ourselves and our power of decision making.”
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“Right, that's none of that. None of that, just like there aren't any, there really aren't. I actually have looked for them. It's a really interesting thing. Years ago when, I forget it was Meg Wim, someone had a new job. I'm like, really what you should do is funeral.com and like do help people make people memorialize people someday you're going to be want to be memorialized online and all of your things that you put up need to be part of like a grave area and she thought it was crazy but and she moved on and did eBay but um and that worked out well for her but um but so you you decided to put in the app store you had not had any experience with the app store correct”
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“And people send them. Oh, I got lots of good death quotes. Are you kidding? I like them. Anytime I'm always looking for more. Okay, good. So then they pop up and you decided to make it people pay 99 cents for it, right?”
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“Yeah, well, they're all in some way, at least in my mind, about impermanence and how everything's always changing, which is ultimately what death recollection is supposed to be about. And I guess I read a lot. It's just one of the things I do. So I'm constantly looking for good quotes. And I use the Emily Dickinson sort of test, which is if it hits me once, like it feels like it takes the top of my head off, then it can go in the app. And if it doesn't do that, then I don't want it.”
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“Randomized purpose. Right. Because death can come at any time. And so it pops up first with a reminder, it says you're going to die, which is always like, when people say it on my phone, they're like, Carol, what are you doing? And I'm like, I'm going to die, which I think is really a fun idea to think about. And then it pops up with a quote. So talk about the quotes because they're wonderful quotes. You recycle a bunch of them, but you use, there's always a new one. And so how do you manage that? And how do you think about it? Because they're not all about death.”
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“Anytime. It can come very quickly too. Like one can come after the next, which I think is very funny because sometimes I get two in a row and I'm like, what's going on with that? But it just doesn't have any rhyme or reason in that way.”
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“So, how do you talk about how you find the quotes? Just so people who haven't used it, it's called Weekrook. It just pops up a reminder that you're going to die, first of all, at any time. By the way, it doesn't have a, like it doesn't have a time thing, does it?”
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“How did I conceive of it? How did you guys do it together then? So you decide to do it together? Yeah, we decided to do it together. We talked about it around the kitchen table. And at first, this is like a project, something we wanted on our phones to correct our own bias toward not remembering that death is real, that it can happen at”
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“Well, Ian, my co founder, rented my room on Airbnb. And he's an app developer. And I'd had this idea for an app since, you know, for a little while, but I'm not in the tech world, or at least I wasn't until we made this together. And so one evening when we were sitting around the kitchen table. He was visiting from somewhere. From California. Right. Okay. So he was working here. I told him the idea and asked if he wanted to do it with me. And he said, yes. It was one of those weird magical things that just happens in life. Yeah. Okay. And so he said, yes, I'll make this for you. And how did you conceive of it?”
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“Oh, because one of the things that makes us most unhappy is we tend to get caught up in things that don't matter. We tend to get caught up in an angry voice or in minutia or in stress or in tons of things that ultimately aren't that important to us. And when we remember our mortality, we can take a deep breath and just go, oh. I don't have to think about this. I don't have to engage. I don't have time for this and move on. It's just a little way of making a micro adjustment so that your whole day, which remember is one of your limited days on earth, isn't taking it up with. BS. Right, right. So you saw the saying, and then how did you get it into an app form?”
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