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Heidi Alexander

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first: 2025-02-21
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“Yes, it's an incredible opportunity. And, you know, as much as these types of conversations don't come particularly naturally to me, I'll be straight back to the Department for Transport now, back into the detail of the spending review. When you meet your special advisor,”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, well, it goes to the heart of peace on the continent of Europe, and I think the Prime Minister is completely right when he says this isn't just an issue for the Ukrainian people, it's not just a matter of European security, it's a matter of our own national security. But what we can't have is a peace that isn't lasting, that isn't enduring, that just means that Putin's going to be back in a couple of months with his territorial incursions into a sovereign country, more Russian aggression and hostility that goes to the heart of our fundamental democratic principles and freedoms in Europe. And I think it's right that Kira has said we're willing to consider what we should be doing. These are the biggest and most important decisions that... Any MP will ever take.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's really interesting you ask me that question because when I entered Parliament for the first time in 2010, some of the time I found myself thinking, what's the defining moment of this Parliament going to be? And I often, you know, initially I used to think it would all be about military action. And to an extent in that 2010 Parliament we had votes on Libya, we had votes on Syria. They were big moments, but I wouldn't say they were necessarily defining. And I've asked myself, is this the defining moment of this parliament? And I'm not sure at the moment. Too early, Sizell. Yeah, and look. But if British foods are...”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was the, you know, look, I was working for the mayor whose position and the position of City Hall was to be against the third runway. I've never actually voted myself on the third runway. The way either way, and you know, I think the only thing I'd say on this is we can stick our head in the sand and pretend that airports in the southeast aren't operating at or near capacity. And we can pretend that people don't want to go on foreign holidays or that businesses don't have international clients. There's significant demand for flying. Yes, we have to make it greener. Yes, we have to make it more sustainable. The opportunities around things like sustainable aviation fuel and creating domestic production of cleaner jet fuel in this country I think is a great opportunity. There's a lot of work to be done on all of this.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We're reviewing the airport's national policy statement and we're waiting for Heathrow to come forward with their expansion plans.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, look, we need to work through all of this with the Treasury, and that's what's going to be happening over the next couple of months. You know, we're going to be looking very carefully at how we make ourselves more efficient and provide the taxpayer with better value for money. We also need to look, though, at what infrastructure the country needs in order to drive economic growth. That's the number one mission of this government.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so look, we're going through the spending review, Nick, and I'm sure I'll be back in your studios talking to you about it in a bit more detail. The pressures on the public finances are all the more reason for us to drive through our reform to the railways. We are leaking money to the private sector train operating companies at the moment. We can save up to £150 million a year by not paying them management fees. And we need to strip out the duplication that exists. We've got 14 train operating companies at the moment, each with their own commercial team, their own marketing team. There is a better way of doing this. There's a simpler way of doing it.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It is baffling. We've got to simplify it. And if we simplify it and we improve reliability, then I think we can attract people back to the railways.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Potentially decisions haven't been taken. You ask me what will people see differently? Well, we're already rolling out things like pay-as-you-go ticketing in the southeast and working with West Midlands and Greater Manchester so people can tap in, tap out so that there's an easy experience for people and that they know that they will get the lowest fare available on that day. I want to reform ticketing because we've got to a place where the nation seems to accept that it's logical that the cheapest fare is a split fare and you have to get tickets to go from A to B to C to D even if you're sat in the same seat for the whole journey. I mean it's just a ludicrous system when you think about it.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I've got to be ambitious because the public expect nothing less. We've got to sweep away this fragmentation, waste and inefficiency that has characterized the railways. At the moment we subsidise the rail network to the tune of £2 billion every year. That's just the day-to-day running of the trains. That's not taking into account the grant that is given to network rail. I want to create a railway that people can trust and that people want to use. And so I think we're right to be bold and ambitious. Bringing those train operating companies back into public ownership. We've got three that we'll be doing this year, Southwestern C2C and Greater Anglia is important, but you've got to rewire the way that the railway is structured at the moment.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I won't hesitate to do the right thing by the travelling public. And there will be difficult discussions to be had. Look, we need to see the trade unions as partners to work with so that we can build a railway that provides better value for money and we're trains turn up when people want them and expect them to turn up. We shouldn't just see them as a problem to be managed. That was the approach of the Conservatives and look where that got us. It did not end well.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, we took multiple strikes when I was Drugs before he was driving a tube, and I think we took two or three strikes on that issue because I was absolutely clear that this was a basic safety issue. It was a red line and we weren't going to cross it and they even sought to put a strike on polling day of the mayoral elections in 2021. It was ultimately withdrawn. And Sadiq is saying to me how many strikes are we going to have to take? And I'm saying we don't blink now.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, I don't think this is a case of anyone seeking to break the unions, but I do think that anyone who is running public transport in this country has to appreciate that sometimes the trade unions are going to be wrong and sometimes they will have a point and that sometimes compromise will need to be reached.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To be honest, the deal that my predecessor did was very, very similar to the one that the previous Conservative government were very close to doing but just wouldn't get over the line.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, look, I think our railways have been broken for a long time. And if you think about that period of national rolling strikes, we lost about 850 million pounds in fair revenue during that period. And what I was very worried about and why my predecessor, Lou Haig, was totally right to find a way to bring those strikes to an end is that the British public were starting to bake in the fact that the railways wouldn't be there and wouldn't be operating for them to travel on.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think I ever defended a position I didn't believe in. It was painful some of the time to find a form of words that allowed me to be true to myself whilst not creating a massive split story. And so, you know, there's a certain amount of intellectual gymnastics that is involved in that.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Worried because Jeremy Corbyn would have been Prime Minister and I would have been a Labour MP and I would have aided and abetted that. And that would have been. And at that point in time, I knew in my heart of hearts that I wouldn't be able to contest another election with Jeremy Corbyn as the leader of the Labour Party. And I didn't.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Theresa May had had a hopeless campaign, had basically told pensioners that she was going to force them to sell their houses in order to pay for social care. And I can remember being really worried that the exit poll had underestimated the vote for the Labour Party, which sounds like a really strange thing to say.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was a very, very difficult time, and I think that, you know, if you cast your mind back to the week before Brexit happened, Joe Cox was murdered and tensions were running very high. I found the experience of being in Jeremy's shadow cabinet absolutely bonkers, if I'm being honest. You know, John MacDonald was the real leader of the opposition. Then Shadow Chancellor, no effort to build a team at all. It was shambolic. And so, and I think that after Brexit, the constant uncertainty, I think it was a really unsettling time for a lot of people in politics. And of course, we entered then that period where you had elections every couple of years. I can remember standing in the 2017 election in Lewisham and getting a very large majority.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Or the issue of airstrikes against ISIS targets in Syria, he would read from a typed up script that someone had given him. He wasn't able to persuade anyone sat round the cabinet table. It was weak, it was shambolic, it was totally unprofessional and I just really felt strongly that the Labour Party was letting down the people.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“When he described himself as a sort of seven and a half out of ten and at the cabinet meeting on the day after the referendum I confronted him with that and said, I think, you know, if I'm looking at myself in the mirror and asking myself questions about whether I could have done more to dispel the myth that there was going to be 350 million pounds a week available to spend on the NHS if we leave the EU, then you need to look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself whether going onto television and describing your enthusiasm for the EU as a seven and a half out of 10 was the thing that the campaign needed to hear at that point in time. What did he say? Oh, he couldn't answer the question and that was the real problem. He could not persuade and bring with him his own cabinet. So in cabinet meetings, if we were discussing anything, whether it was Brexit,”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Think it was the final nail in the coffin, to be honest, the way in which Jeremy responded to the result of the referendum he took to the airwaves a matter of hours after the result came in and said, what we've got to do now is trigger Article 50 straight away. And I had my head in my hands, sat in my office in Port Cullis House when I watched that TV interview and thought that is completely the wrong thing for us to be doing now because nobody has any idea what form of Brexit this country is going to take and there's so much to work through and it was totally the wrong thing to say.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“What, oh goodness me, yeah, no, I did. Yeah, I once had trials for England, actually, and got down to the last, I think it was the last 16 and then Phil Neville's sister, Tracy Neville, pipped me into the team. But look, no, going back to the Sarah Vine story, you know, I said to her, well, look, yeah, no, I might need to lay off the hobnobs, but I'm going for a 5K run on Saturday if you want to join me. No, she didn't join me. We did say that we were going to meet up for a cup of tea, but it never actually, and a hobnob, but it never actually happened.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so I think you're referring to when I was made the Shadow House Secretary back in 2015. And I think she said something like she's not exactly the picture of health. She needs to lay off the hobnobs. And this was in the days when Twitter now called X was all the rage and everyone followed everything that everyone was saying on Twitter. And I can remember thinking, oh, really? Yeah, look, you know, I probably do need to lose a couple of stone, but I'm actually quite a healthy woman, you know, at that point in time. I was doing 5K park runs on a regular basis.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I feel more confident than I did eight years ago when I left Parliament. And I think my experiences working at Transport for London during COVID, working with the mayor, taught me a huge amount and I feel more relaxed in this environment than I would have done. And the truth of the matter is my special advisor told me that I had to do it. So I never say no to Ryan.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and look, I think there are always a decision for a politician about how much of yourself you put out there. I remember Dennis Skinner saying this to me in the very early days of being elected back in 2010. He used to sit in front of me in the House of Commons and he turned around to me once and said, you keep going, girl, because you've got a good presence in this place. And he said, you are going to have to decide how much of you choose to put out into the public domain. And I just found it a really interesting conversation with someone who, you know, has very different politics and life experiences to me.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think the British people wanted a serious person to be Prime Minister at the last general election. We had the succession of Johnson Truss SUNAC and I think that what Kier and Rachel did was they built confidence and trust with the British people that we were going to be a competent administration. And, you know, I think that what Kira has done really well is build a brilliant team around him with different skills and I think that is one of the most important things a leader can do.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, we do. And, you know, look, I steal myself when I walk into the House of Commons to do transport questions, just as I steal myself when I come in here to be interviewed by you and your colleagues when I'm doing the morning media round. And the ability to articulate succinctly and well what you're trying to achieve. You know, I watch people like Wedge Streeting and I just think he's one of the best political communicators ever and totally jealous of the way in which he seems to have words at his fingertips and the clarity and the ability to speak and which I don't have with a perfect sound bite. I think I'm on slightly longer wave than some of my colleagues and I find that your colleagues are often having to interrupt me because I'm still speaking and it's like Heidi we're getting to the end of the interview.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Lots of people listening think, oh, competition. Love strutting. I've always said that the best politicians are better listeners than they are speakers. And I think listening is a vastly underrated quality in politics.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, although you have to run the gauntlet of all the photographers as well. And that's the bit I enjoy least about this job, if I'm honest, Nick. You know, this sort of raft of cameras pointed at you. And I guess it comes back to that actually quite shy young girl who, yeah, I think you can see it in my face in these pictures. I just don't enjoy being the centre of attention. And that might sound like a really weird thing for a politician to say, but it's true.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, definitely not. I'm definitely not. I don't have the qualities for that job. I think he's far more suited to it than I am. And when you did”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Completely, I mean, just walking through that door and it unfolding as you walk through and having an office that was, you know, just up the stairs, overlooking down in street every single time I walked into Downing Street, I was pinching myself. And of course, you know, almost 25, 26 years later, I walk in there as the transport secretary. I remember Sheree saying to me when I left, she gave me this beautiful little clock that was embellished with a sort of 10 Downing Street stamp on the bottom. And she said to me something like, Heidi, when you're, because I don't know why she said this, I must have said to her I was quite interested in.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I went for a couple of interviews, and before you know it, I found myself working in Cherry Blair's office for about nine months.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was, to be honest, and when people ask me about my career, I'd say there was quite a lot of luck involved because someone tapped me on a shoulder in a corridor in the geography department at Durham University and said at this point in time I was doing a master's. I'd worked abroad a year as a holiday rep. I'd come back and someone said there's an opportunity to apply for an internship in Ten Downing Street. Are you interested? And because I'd worked abroad for that year, I'd been able to save up a little bit of money in the bank and I thought, well, do you know what? This isn't paid, but I'm going to use those savings and I will see how it goes. And I was interested in what the Labour government were trying to do around the New Deal for Communities Policy. I was researching regeneration in deprived parts of the inner city. And so...”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And also the sort of arrogance, to be honest. And, you know, I think private education gives people incredible confidence. For me, there was this realization when I was there that, you know, you often hear Labour Party politicians talk about this, but I really deeply feel it. Talent is evenly spread in this country and opportunity is not.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I went to Durham University, and there were a lot of people there who had had very privileged backgrounds, gone to some of the country's top schools. And I slightly railed against some of that because it sort of felt to me that there was.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah. So I was the first person in my family to go away to university and I was very lucky to have a brilliant, comprehensive education. And to be honest, the teachers opened my eyes to the world around me. I remember the discussion at home when I said to my dad, I wanted to go off to university and study geography. And he said, are you sure why? Do you want to be a geography teacher? And look, he would have supported me in anything that I wanted to do. And I was lucky that I was someone who got a full maintenance grant, tuition fees were paid at that point in time.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, it's not. And also, look, a lot of those people now, especially older people that have worked hard all of their lives, look around the town that they're now living in and say, well, actually, this isn't the town it used to be. The place is a shadow of its former self. And they do want the basics fixed. They want the pothole sorted. They want the fly to being picked up and they want the empty shops in the town centres sorted out. And those are the sorts of aspirations that people are talking to me about today when I'm knocking on doors.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“For me going back home as well, it feels having been an MP in South East London is really interesting that you sort of feel that you understand the psyche of the community that you're representing.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I often think about people who would say they're on modest incomes and they get up in the morning, they go out, they do a hard day's work. You know, they want to be able to take their kids on holiday. They want to have a decent car. They want to enjoy the little luxuries in life, be able to go out for a nice meal, not worry about that. And so I think that was the group of people. The Labour Party was talking about, and that can cover quite a wide spectrum of actual incomes, but Swindon is a town of working people. We don't have people who are working in the railways as much now, but there's this desire to get on in life and the idea that you shouldn't have to move out of Swindon in order to be able to get a good job. You know, it's that there is a real aspirational bent, I think, in Swindon. And, you know, that's...”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Felt able to vote for me as his sister, thought she would do a good job for the town, which was as far as he was prepared to go. It's got to be said. I was going to say”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so look, my mum and dad brought up two kids that have had very different life experiences. My brother left school at the age of 18. He would have left school at the age of 16 if my mum and dad hadn't made him stay on, to be honest. The first time he voted for the Labour Party was when he voted for me last July. He's always voted conservative. And I think it was this sense that he felt, rightly or wrongly, that the Conservatives would be likely to enable him to keep more money in his pocket and that they might financially be best for him personally. And I think, let's be honest, that's the way that a lot of people make their minds up when it comes to elections, what is going to be best for me and my family, what's going to enable me to get on. And so, you know, look, because I'm not from a political family, the fact that my brother...”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, yeah, often sadly the case, Nick, to be honest. But yeah, you know, look, he voted for... The Tories when I was growing up. And”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“She did speak to aspirational values, and I think for my dad, he was someone that wanted to work hard, get on in life. And when he was, you know, we didn't really talk about politics very much when I was a kid growing up. It was, you know, the truth of the matter was we'd spend more time talking about the fortunes of Swindon Town than we did politics. A brief conversation.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so look, when I was growing up, my dad did vote conservatively vote for Margaret Thatcher. And, you know, my mum, you know, was a working class woman as well. They both voted conservative. My dad's interesting, you know, he left school with 2 O levels, the equivalent of what are now GCSEs, and a fiercely intelligent man and a really decent human being and actually could have done some really challenging high-powered jobs, if I'm honest, and was always sort of interested in what was going on in the world around him. And so, look, I think for my mum and dad, at that point in their lives, you know, Margaret Thatcher was giving people the right to buy, having the security of their own home. Not that they bought a council house, they bought a small semi-detached and a part of Swindon called Stratton. She spoke to aspirational values.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, well, he still does have a white van, actually, and that came in really helpful in the elections for things like collecting leaflets. He did have a red van when I was growing up that said Malcolm Alexander, electrical contractor on the side. So it hasn't always been white. But that phrase.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Indeed, so my dad was an electrical apprentice in the railways for a couple of years. He then left and after a short stint working at the local hospital where I was born, the old Princess Margaret Hospital, he set up as a self-employed electrician, a one-man band, if you like.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, my journey has been quite interesting, Nick, because I was a member of Parliament for Lewisham East between the years of 2010 and 2018. And I genuinely came into Parliament not thinking ever that I would have front bench responsibilities. And so I decided to leave Parliament in 2018 when Sadiq Khan asked me to be his Deputy Mayor for Transport. I was away from Parliament for six years. And so I came back in 2024. you know, this time last year I was pounding the pavements in Swindon. I had no idea whether I was even going to beat my opponent Robert Buckland, who was a former Conservative Justice Secretary and the then MP for Swindon South.”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I said something like that to Stig Abel on Times Radio this morning, actually. Sorry to mention one of your competitors. But, you know, I think it's better to be honest. And, you know, I think if the public will see through it and I'd rather say actually”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think when you're a government minister, you obviously spend the majority of your week focused upon the policy areas that you're responsible for. And when you do the morning media round or frankly any broadcast interviews, press interviews, you're expected to be across the detail of absolutely everything else that's going on. And at that point in time, you are speaking for the government. That's pretty awfully tempting, isn't it?”
2025-02-21 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Heidi Alexander One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source