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Ian Murray

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first: 2020-02-28
most recent: 2020-02-28
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“I think politically. For Couldn't disagree on more politically, but he's actually been great company on the campaign trail. He's been fun. He hasn't yet asked me to write a comment piece in his new Pravda newspaper yet for one of his policies of Labour Party doing their own newspaper. But he's been tremendous fun. And, you know, we couldn't disagree more politically. But I just hope that everyone when this contest's over embraces the new leadership team rose in the same direction and crucially just goes out there, chaps on a few doors and listens to the public. And if we do that, I think the Labour Party's got a bright future.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think I would probably have to, in order to get on the same page as Richard Bergen, can I just say something hugely controversial? I've really got on well with Richard during this campaign.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, it's not about going back to the past, it's about the future. What I'm asking them to do is not embrace the mid-90s on new labour in terms of what that happened, because we've moved on, the country's moved on, politics moved. What I'm asking them to do is to embrace the message of change. The public are screaming at the Labour Party at the moment. Please give us something to vote for. And we're turning around to them and saying, Jeremy Corbyn gets 10 out of 10. The manifesto was so superbly popular. It was so popular out there in the country. People were desperate to vote Tory. So that is the answers to these questions and we have to face up to that.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, not at all. The fight just begins. I mean, I'm obviously in this to win it, but I think we've changed the narrative already. And the bottom line is here, there can't be another Labour Prime Minister without Scotland. That's just a mathematical and political fact. And let me just highlight that. If I'm the only Scottish Labour MP after the next election, the Labour Party is going to have to turn all of those blue seats red up to and including Jacob Reese Mogg and North East Somerset. That's unprecedented.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's got to be a process of change. I mean, if I was to win, what I've been saying is that Labour Party members up down the country have put me on the ballot paper and therefore they've put the word change on the ballot paper. And I think I'd be saying to Rebecca, if Rebecca was to win, that she has to look very much at what the change message is and she has to listen to the public. And I think that's important. I think we wrote a manifesto in 2019 to speak to the party, not the country. And that's the important thing. We have to listen to the public.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The country's aspiration because all of that identity politics, the SNP's main slogan during the independence referendum was a picture of a baby with a baby's hand with Scotland's future and Scotland hands. That's an emotional argument against a practical politics. And when you're in that kind of fight, you're going to lose.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I said, John, I hope I can count on your support. You're doing really well. I can't thank you and your office enough. I've turned my life around. And I said, so I can count on your support. And he went, no. And I went, why? And he went, because you and your party stopped me from the one chance I had in my life to be rich. And that was the scenario that we were coming up against. And that was the kind of narrative that the nationalists had told Scotland in terms of independence.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But it's that identity of not having a stake in society. There is a prevalence, and it's not a generalization, but there was a prevalence of labour voters who were from that working class west of Scotland community who felt as if they had no stake in the economy, who essentially came to the conclusion, well, it can't be any worse, can it? And then when they moved, they've then come to a conclusion that says, well, the Labour Party doesn't talk for us anymore because we want independence. Now, I think very quickly tell you a personal story. I had got in touch, somebody had got in touch with me who had fallen into alcoholism at my constituency office, had fallen out with their family, had lost their job, had become homeless as a result. Cut a long story short, we had managed to give them all the support he could possibly get. We got him into a house, he got back dry, back seeing his family again, started to get his life back on track. And I knocked on his door just before the 2015 general election after the referendum.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, actually, you've argued the opposite way for me because if you want to be in the European Union, you believe in internationalism and solidarity. And if you want Scotland to be in the UK, you also believe in that. And the bottom line for me is set aside all the arguments about independence in the European Union. The bottom line is principally for me, my constituents will be worse off considerably, not just in a financial sense, but in a cultural and social sense by leaving the United Kingdom. And how do we know that? We know that because they're already telling me they feel worse off financially, socially and culturally by leaving the European Union. So all of those wrong-headed arguments for Brexit that some people will agree with, of course, but in my view, the wrong-headed arguments for Brexit are exactly the same wrong-headed arguments for Scottish independence. So actually what I'm arguing is completely consistent. And what is inconsistent is to say leaving the European Union is the wrong thing to do as the nationalists do, but leaving the UK's the right thing to do. That's the incoherent argument.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Proper answer is devolution. What do we do about the rest of the country? We need to do three things in this whole process. One is to be much more positive about the United Kingdom, which is something we haven't done and haven't been able to articulate for too long. The second thing is to relentlessly expose how catastrophic independence would be for Scotland. If Brexit is bad, then Scottish independence on top of that would be utterly catastrophic. Brexit has taught us anything. Breaking up is incredibly hard to do. And the third thing is to have something more positive to talk about. And that's why I've been saying for a number of years, and I know it's boring because I know it's about governance, but we need some kind of process like what happened in the 90s, a constitutional convention for how the Labour Party can win power at Westminster and then give it away. And that's not really a Scottish or Welsh issue. That's an English issue. And that's something that's got to be dealt with.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because they were called the Union. They had a majority, and then they got a majority, and then in this late 60s and 70s, it turned red, and then from 2010 to August 2014, it is still the same. The Labour Party is on between 35 or 40%. And then it turns over. So it's that constitutional politics that's done it. And the Labour Party since September 2014 hasn't had a proper answer to the constitutional question.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, let's be clear about what's happened. I don't subscribe to that analysis because in 2010, Gordon Brown went into that election and got 41 seats out of the 41 that we already held and 1.2 million votes. This happened. I mean, the BBC have done a wonderful analysis on this hundred years of labour that's on the website and takes all of the election results going back to 1922, including regionalising them. And in the Scottish one, of course, this is really interesting, the vast majority of voting up to 1955 is blue in Scotland, of course. It was a conservative country.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, this sort of sums up an entire conversation. It's about indeed politics, it's about populism, it's about people not feeling as if they've got a stake in society and it's about the labour movement not having offered them the solutions to that that aren't the binary solutions of stay or leave yes or no.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think it is a form of defeatism. And this is incredibly important. The last senior politician to concede a referendum when he disagreed with the means that the end, sorry, in terms of the European Union was David Cameron, he facilitated the means when he disagreed with the ends of leaving the European Union and he lost. Let's not facilitate the means when we fundamentally and principally disagree with the ends of independence.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Of course it's grew. I'm surprised it's not 6040 if I'm being frank, given where we are in terms of Brexit and an 80-seat Conservative majority. So let's not dance to the tune of trying to accept a mandate that's not there. And the two other things I would say is this. We lost the election on the 12th of December to an 80-seat Conservative majority. You don't now get Jeremy Corbyn and John MacDonald coming to the spatch box in the House of Commons and go, we lost and therefore we're just going to accede to everything the Conservatives do. We're now going to fully sign up to austerity. We're going to fully sign up to this program. You don't give up your values on that basis.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But the public aren't there. This is the problem we're dancing to a narrative of another party who's developed this mandate that doesn't exist. Forty-five percent of the people voted for the S&P on the 12th of December in a general election that Sir John Curtis, who we all respect and we know is utterly impartial, said you can't extrapolate any kind of mandate from that because the S&P campaigned on stopping Brexit and stopping Boris Johnston. So there is no mandate and all the polls are showing at the moment that the closer you say a second independence referendum would be, the more unpopular it becomes. And the polls even for independence are still showing 47, 48, 49%.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Not really because what we're saying is, and what I've been saying all along, and I'll just go back because I think it's really important. The public gave the government an instruction. The government acted on that instruction and have given us where we are today. We've left the European Union. All of the promises that have been given can't be fulfilled. The next 10 months will show that, well, maybe they won't show it. I hope they don't. I hope we do get a soft landing and there is a bright future out there, but I doubt that to be the case. And therefore, we have to do what's in the national interest and we have to make that argument as a labour movement.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely, and that high bar has got to be able to be bent and shaped as well, because circumstances are going to dictate over the next 10 months in this transition period what we're going to have to do. Now, you're not going to tell me that if the financial services industry or the car industry or the chemicals industry or the aerospace industry are standing at their metaphorical gates with the padlock and the key saying we're shutting up shop, that the government aren't going to be able to respond to that or want to respond to it. So that trade deal is also going to have to bend in shape. And I've been seeing around the country, and it has been unpopular in some places, but I think it's the right thing to do in the national interest. The card for campaigning to go back in has to stay firmly on the table till we at least know where we are. And I think that's the fair thing to do. I think it's the right thing to do for the country. It's a card we might not ever have to turn over. I hope we don't have to turn it over because that means the country will be on the right track.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“What we should do is set an incredibly high bar for what we would expect from a future relationship. And that high bar has to contain protections for rights of workers, the environment and consumers, climate change, trade, security and safety, which is what we don't talk about enough. And that high bar has got to be set as high as we possibly can.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I mean, that's a huge question. But let me answer it by saying I went to Dellen and North Wales, another park where we used to hold all the six seats in North Wales. We only hold one marginally. I went with David Hanson, another very well-respected Labour MP who lost his seat, and had that conversation with someone who was an ardent lever. And I said, and they said to me, but the problem is, if the Labour Party had been ardently Remain or Ardently leave, it wouldn't have mattered. As long as you had a leader that could have carried that message. And what we did is we faced both ways. So Leavers thought we would remain. Remainers thought we were leave. And that culminated in people thinking we didn't care about the country anymore. We didn't care about the national interest. And he said, I wouldn't have cared as long as you made the argument. And I've been making the argument up and down the country with levers and remainers that we did back leaving the European Union back in 2017, but we wanted it to be a soft landing. The government weren't offering a soft landing, and therefore it was perfectly right to say to the public, you gave the government an”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, absolutely. But that may be controversial, but it's only controversial on the basis that's what I heard on the doorsteps. And that's not what I just heard on the doorsteps of my own constituency. That happened up and down the country.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think he meant aspiration and hope. I think he meant that his children and grandchildren could do better. I think he just wants his grandchildren to be able to get a good career, to be able to put food on the table, look after their kids when they arrive, get a house, enjoy themselves, do better than he did, but also do better than his children did. And just that progression. And I think people feel as if that stopped.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And a lot of communities said at the election run up to the 12th of December, they didn't think the Labour Party was talking for them. They didn't think they represented them anymore. They didn't think they had the solution to their lives. And one of the things this campaign will stick with me forever is I went to Scunthorpe, Nick Dakon was the Labour MP there. We used to have six Labour MPs in Lincolnshire. We now have none. Went to Scunthorpe. Nick Daken hugely popular but still lost his seat as a Conservatives and I bumped into this man, this elderly man in his late 60s, we were chatting just generally, chit-chatting to people in the street. I asked him who he voted for at the election. He started to well up. And I said to him, so you voted conservative. He went, yes, for the first time in my life, I've been a Labour voter all my life. And I went, why? And he went, well, it said it's the obvious, it's leadership, it was the manifesto, it was credibility. But he went, all I really want is a greater shake of the stick from the Labour Party. And I didn't feel as if they were giving us a greater shake of the stick.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely, and it's not just about place, that also feeds into identity. And identity politics has become huge. There's nothing greater in terms of identity than identifying with your football club. Once you've got your football club, you have it for life. Once you've got your political party and how you vote, it doesn't necessarily feed that way now. So I think we've got to be telling that story of plays, telling the story of identity, telling the story of communities coming together. And I think actually football clubs are a great way to start because people can relate to that. And I just can't imagine what would happen to people who are ardent football supporters, in this case Hards, in terms of jambos. What they would do on a Saturday afternoon or a Wednesday night without their football club, there'd be something significantly missing from their lives. And we need to tell that story. And that's the story of the country as well as the story of the football club.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The galvanization of everyone who ever had anything to do with maroon of all shades came together in a cooperative fashion. And that's really a little bit about what politics for me is about. We ended up with 8,000 people paying an average of £15 a month. They raised £10 million so far to save the football club. And it's just fantastic. It's a great success story.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's a huge deal, and in fact, I would probably argue that burying hearts going under is much more detrimental to the communities they serve than maybe a Chelsea or Manchester United because they're ingrained in the communities, they mean so much to the people that support them, they mean so much the places that they're in. And I don't think there's any greater community organisation, local football clubs. It brings people together, it educates, have charitable arms, they bring people from all across society together on a Saturday afternoon to either cheer or moan or cry or dance. It's just incredible.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, Hartam Midlaw Football Club is short for Hearts. Jam Tarts is short, is rhyming slang for Harts. Jam Tarts have jam in them, so you're a jambo. That's where it goes. Or if you're from Germany, the literal translation of Jam Tarts is Marmalad and Torchen, which I think's fantastic.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I think the politics haven't dealt with the pace of change. And I think that's, if you look at immigration, if you look at social care, if you look at the health services, our public services and education, there hasn't really been a politician who said, look, let's talk about the future. What do we do in 10 and 20, 30 years' time? It's more prevalent today than it was in the mid-90s because the future of work, which is something the Labour movement has to be talking about, has got to fundamentally change, but we're not really doing that. And I think that pace of change has left communities feeling as though they don't have a stake in society and individuals' feelings they don't have a stake in the economy. And the one thing I will give Carbonism credit for is the narrative about the economy not working for the vast majority. I think people would agree with that. Then what do you do about its issue?”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely. And that's, I think, damaged politics right across the world because it's become very polarized. You're either with us or you're out. And the ability to persuade, I think, has been diminished by a politics that is dictated to by the latest opinion poll and the latest focus group. And I've always been of the view that, you know, we all have our values in politics, whether you agree with them or not. But if you anchor policies in those values, then of course you're going to lose people around the edges. But you'll keep people with you and even people that verminly disagree with me on issues say to me, but I respect the fact that you have that argument, I respect the fact that you're coming from a position of principle, and I respect the fact that we can agree to disagree and move on.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, it's got to be both, but you've got to go towards a persuasion. There's a lot of purity. I mean, there's red lines for everyone in their politics. So you would have that conversation. So there's a red line for me in terms of Scottish independence that I'm sure will come onto. And that is my political purity, if you like. But you've got to be able to persuade people.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You have to, and look at what happened with Brexit. We were winning votes in Parliament by building a broad coalition of support. I do that in my local constituency. I think that's probably how I hold on. And thanks for calling me the only Scottish MP. Most people call me the last, which I'm not sure is technically correct. But you have to, and there was a story after the election. I was walking through the colonnades from the office block at Port Cullis House into Parliament. People will probably know that. It takes you under the roadway. And I bumped into a very senior member of the Labour Party. And I was rather cheeky. I asked where my stickers were because we were told we were election ready when we clearly weren't. And the finger got jabbed at me and the accusation that the only reason I won my seat was to getting Tories, Liberals and Nationalists to vote for me. And I was confused because he said it's an accusation and I thought it was a badge of honour because surely that's what you have to do.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I go for the how ridiculous because there's no real right and wrong in politics for me because the wrong for me is the right for somebody else. And people have different principles that I completely and utterly disagree with, different directions for the country that I completely and utterly disagree with, but they believe what they believe. And you have to accept that. And I've got lots of friends who are personal friends who vote for the Conservative Party and a large number of friends in Parliament who sit on the opposition benches. And we will fight like cat and dog in that chamber. We'll fight like cat and dog in TV and radio studios up and down the country. But when you walk out of that studio, you respect them as people and you can build those relationships. And what Laura Pidcock, I think, missed. And this is a key thing for any parliament. In order to get things done at Westminster, you have to work with other people. You can't just do it in your own party because you can't get anything done.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was a sort of terracing boo that we were taught to boo when any opposition player scored a goal or whatever at Timecastle.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Obviously, Thatcher. There was King Clark, and there was Malcolm Rifkind, who was our local MP. He was a very prominent member of the Thatcher government at that time. So we had to boo if any of those three came on.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We were taught to boo. You're taught to boo, yeah. You see Thatcher on the television? I mean, don't forget, I wasn't even 10. So my brother and I were taught to boo if Thatcher came on the TV. In fact, there was three boos. There was...”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, well, I can't really remember specific conversations about overt politics, but from a very, very labour family all the way through to grandparents and great-grandparents and still are. And in actual fact, there were three conditions about being a member of my family. You had to be steeped in labour values and the Labour Party. You had to be patriotically Scottish. As long as there was a saw tyre on it, you had to back it, whether it be the Grand Slam victory in the 90s for the rugby team or Scotland's famous World Cup campaigns on the march with Allies Army and those kinds of things, even if we're playing tiddly winks, you were either supporting the Scottish team or you were thrown out the family. And the third thing was to be an either fan of Hartamidlodian Football Club. Those were the three conditions. And yeah, they met those conditions in the contract of the Murray family earlier. You were adopted out.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I mean, I did my launch at my old community high school Westerhills Education Centre. I was the first in my family to go to university from there. And it was the inspirational teachers that essentially pushed me on to go to university. And I'd go back to school tomorrow. I loved it. So my former assistant head teacher, Danny Costello, introduced me, and I had lots of family and friends there, including my mum. My brother would have been there, but he couldn't make it because of work commitments. And yeah, and she got a bit of flack from the Daily Mail. The Daily Mail called her someone that looked like a 1970s bingo caller. Now, it might sound offensive, but my mum loved it, because A, she loves the bingo, and B, she just loved that the Daily Mail was having a pop-atter.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, she loved it because she did. She worked in the kitchens of our pub called The Busy Bee in Stockton in Edinburgh. I think it might still be there. And there was a bookmaker's next door, an independent bookmaker's next door, and she used to love working in there. So you were talking about the odds of me winning. If you were saying you were putting £7.75 on the odds of me winning, she'd be able to work it out quicker than anybody else with a calculator. That's for sure. She loved it.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely, yes. And that just comes from that housing estate. My mum had to work two or three jobs to keep the family going.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, well, I mean, everyone talks about their background, but I think it's really important because it's where your values and your political history comes from. I was brought up in Western Hills, which is a housing estate on the west of Edinburgh, one of these traditional council housing estates that was built post-war to take the baby boom and all those kinds of issues, and grew up in a very incredibly loving family and loving environment in those housing estates. I mean, that's fantastic places. And my father died very young. He was only 39, died of a cerebral hemorrhage very, very suddenly. So that left my brother and I, he was 13 and I was nine with my mum growing up in Thatcher's Britain in the mid-80s at the height of Thatcher's power, when her government was essentially saying there's no such thing as society. So that was a real challenge to come through that. I've been saying this on the trail. I'm statistically more likely to be in prison than in Parliament. And I think that says a lot about being a fighter in the winner.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Fata against the odds, absolutely. I mean, if you've got £10 to put a bet on me to in depth your leadership, I'd take the odds at the moment. What do you want? I'm not quite sure what they are, but I think you'll get fairly lengthy odds, I would have thought Angela Reno's, the stick-on favourite here. But it's about fighting to win. You know, you always fight to win. When you don't go into these contests not to win.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, you never know what happened in these election campaigns. I didn't actually expect to get this far. I didn't think I would get on the ballot. I got a very, very good cross-section of the Parliamentary Labour Party endorsing me. I got all the CLPs. I got 60 constituency Labour parties in the end from all over the country, which was fantastic. So when you get into these things, you do end up getting in it to win it. Now, Angela Raynor is obviously very far ahead in the Deputy Leadership Contest, but I've achieved something already. The leadership candidates and the deputy leadership candidates are talking about Scotland and are understanding how important it is. And that's not happened at the top end of the UK Labour Party, I think, for a long time. Now it's happening. I'm able to press them on it. They're now talking about it at Hustings and they're only talking my language of constitutional conventions, of trying to see how we govern the country. It's great.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“These days, is it? Well, I'm not in this contest to be fashionable. I thought you were going to say you were in the contest of one wise. We're certainly in it to win it. But I entered the contest just to be honest about stuff. And the reason, would I have used a Tony Blair or Gordon Brown endorsement on their own? It would have given me a little bit more caution. But together I thought it was a very good thing. And it also was on the back of getting Roy Hattersley, who'd been through this before, and Elizabeth Smith on behalf of John Smith. So it was everyone who had gone through that process, who had been leaders of the Labour Party in the 80s. And that's really the story of this. So people might say, oh, you've got Blair, so that's turned me off, you've got Brown, so that's turned me off. But that's not really the point. The point is it's about having that endorsement of saying Ian gets it. We need to transform the Labour Party to win again. We've done it before. Wean, he's the man to do it, essentially.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, well, it's good, isn't it? I mean, the great thing is now that I think this conversation that this leadership debate has had is that we've got everyone talking about the Labour Party at the moment. And I think that's great.”
2020-02-28 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Ian Murray One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I hadn't told either of them. I was trying to get each other, but we did it both on the same day. Without them, without them knowing. And I just wonder whether or not if I had told either of them I was getting each other, that they might have decided either not to do it or to make it even better. Who's got the best endorsement? Tony did a video. Gordon didn't because we couldn't quite track Gordon down, but that wasn't a conscious decision, that was just timing.”
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“Remarkable that this deputy leadership campaign has united the party. It's united the Brownites and the Blayites in the same place.”
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“And Murray understands that if Labour stab any hope, it's got to be able to win in every part and every corner of the United Kingdom.”
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