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Jack Devine

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“It is important, it's critical, it's a responsibility, a certain level in all institutions to speak truth to power. And for those people that are worried about their career, I would tell you it helps your career. Now, you have to be careful how you phrase it so you don't annoy the unduly the recipient of it. But it is so important in the public sphere, and I believe in corporations as well, to speak truth to power. And I think they're some of the lessons that you reflect back on its key, the things that you learn. It's not just how to put down a dead drop in the middle of a park so no one sees it.”
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“There's a great quote by My former Secretary of State Schultz. The quote is no bad idea dice in Washington. The point is that early in my career, I thought this is such a dumb idea that it will not go anywhere. So you don't have to stand up and be counted, right? And that held me well because virtually all the bad ideas didn't... But the one that didn't die was the Iran contra affair. And I do think I. Stood up, but I think I should have gotten top of the building and screamed at the top of my voice that it was a bad idea. So I would say the people in key positions in bureaucracies, you know, when you see a bad idea stand up, and I would say to young people and people that are seasoned.”
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“And it may be counterintuitive to the movies, but you have to have a sense of mission you want to be there. And they're going to be looking to make sure that you're a person they can trust. And as I said earlier, that you are not. A person who's engaged in petty theft because we're worried that petty theft will lead the big time theft inside. So these are the types of things that people need to think about.”
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“Good books. When I was looking for books to read, there was hardly anything. Alan Dull's Craft of Intelligent, David Wise's book. Today there's a lot of really good books. And then you have to decide what do you want to be? Where do you want to be? And you have to think about the life that you're going to live. Do you want to be in Washington as an analyst or are you going to travel around the world? What's that going to mean with your spouse? So there's a lot of life issues that go into it. Almost any degree, as long as you do well in it and almost any respectable school is going to get you there assuming you have an IQ that's somewhere between 120 and 140. You don't have 170 because then you're dysfunctional inside the bureaucracy, right? We can't have too many geniuses. You really need the question of integrity.”
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“Well, I think there's a couple of things that they need to realize. They have to go online. And then you're going to get an interview. You need to know the business enough to talk articulately about it. So I would recommend you read books. Good hunting certainly is a good start. Good start. But there's a number of really...”
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“I learned a lot because even though I was in the business, the dynamic of the two of them. I'm a student not only of the bigger history but of CIA history. So it was interesting to me. The broader readership, probably not so much. I don't want you to think, well, I did read John Le Coray's latest book. I don't read spy books. I've never read one of Ian Fleming's. But I did read his first three books, which I thought were superb in understanding the psychology of people in the business. And I just read his last book, Legacy of Spies. And I wish he hadn't written it just sort of diminish. I mean, I just read it and it's like the first three of the”
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“The book can be read on several letters. Look, I'm just leaving the Battle of Vicksburg. I'm not a military expert. I mean, I've been involved, but the reason I was involved is because I was surrounded by people that really knew what they were doing. It's the person granted so interesting that he would absolutely have been a failure. And it was a failure in just about everything else. He was unassuming character. There is a great deal to read and to reflect on things about the Civil War that I missed, the role of ex slaves in the army, I mean real roles. So it's a fascinating reading and I'm enjoying it. I'd like history. So Doris Kearns, Chief of Rivals, how does a government function in the dynamic? Around that. I read one on the CIA last year. It was called The Brothers, and it was Alan Dulles, the head of CIA.”
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“Well, I think, first of all. I would mention a book that I read a little bit every day and whether you're secular in your beliefs or not, but I read two verses of the Bible every day because I find it... Leaving the religious connotation inside about life and frankly even the language from which we speak. It's interesting in Abraham Lincoln. Most people back in those days, the fundamental book that they work for was the Bible. They didn't have other books. So Lincoln, when he talks about no house divided, can't stand. I mean, where's he drawing this? So I find some inspiration in it. But right now I'm reading a book about Grant by Ron Turnoff.”
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“You need to learn from history. So I called Tom on the phone and I said, look, Tom, I wrote this article. He said, yeah, that's good, but I got a couple I want you to read. So he hadn't changed one bit. So I had a whole series and we couldn't go through them, but I felt I was helped. They called a business a trade, trade craft. Right. And I'm the son of a plumber. And I worked.”
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“I did because of the book get to talk to some of my mentors, and a few of them have died in the last few years. And it's a great thing to go back and to talk to them. So I talked to a fellow who was my chief in my first assignment abroad. And when you look back, it was a pain to deal with me. Too much hubris and all this, but I learned so much from him. And he was helpful to me as his career advanced. He was helpful to me. Tom Polgar was the... Last chief off of the roof in Vietnam. And was the chief out there, wrote that famous message about.”
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“And I said, Look, Claude, all I wanted to do was tell you how grateful I am on. Which I didn't appreciate enough at the time.”
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“I think, as I think back over my career, and that's why good hunting, it was helpful writing it because you then go back and say, oh my goodness, I really, did I thank that person enough? And I started making calls because I would interview people. And it was fascinating. I remember calling one fellow that was my deputy on the Iran program and how we tried to avert getting into the Iran counter affair. He was out and I was somewhere on a tractor and I called and... And I could hear his wife getting him, and he got on the phone. This is Jack Devine, and I heard a big sigh. And I thought that sigh. That sigh is, oh, what did he get me into?”
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“Our ability, very smart people, to deceive ourselves when we're spun up. So I think Iraq is most unfortunate development in our modern history. And getting out, and this is the problem when you do preemptive anything, it's easy to get in, and we are the most powerful force in the world, bar none. So we don't have trouble getting in. It's how do you get out? And what are the consequences have you foreseen all the consequences?”
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“Though we ever learned that I mean, what are the unintended consequences? Play back your tapes from when we went into Iraq. The oil was going to pay for the war.”
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“We've opened up a huge instability vacuum today that we're living with. So conventional wisdom, and we're not talking about North Korea and Iran today, but I was reading today in the newspaper about giving somebody, giving them a bloody nose. And having options on going in and preemptive strike, and I'm thinking, gosh.”
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“The weapons, we talk weapons of mass destruction. He definitely had weapons of mass destruction. Inspectors went in, and this is before the crisis. And we know they destroyed only half of them at the time. So whatever happened to the other half. It was not Unreasonable position to believe that there were weapons of mass destruction. I mean, Saddam Hussein fooled his own cabinet. In other words, everyone else thought, well, he has it hidden somewhere else. And, you know, he never denied it publicly. But my problem is there was nothing that I saw and have yet to see to this day. Anything that indicated that even if he had them, that he was going to use them, use them against us, and that there was an eminent threat and we needed to deal with it immediately. So, I think it's going to prove to be one of the great”
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“Well, I think there's several aspects of the The weapons of a mass destruction issue. And again, this is where there's a polarity with me. I was for going into Afghanistan immediately after 9-11, finding bin Laden and taking down the Taliban. unequivocal no compunctions about it we did as a CIA special forces went in Took down the Taliban using some of the folks that we worked with back in the old days. I had no compunctions about that. My view is not to hang around. I wrote an article some years later in 2010 in the Wall Street Journal saying, you know, you want to keep using the CIA and special forces in low probability. You don't want to go in and build through the nation building. But leave that aside. Iraq, I never understood in the sense that you and everyone else.”
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“Held fire missiles on. And frankly, I've got no time for the terrorists, but it has to be handled smartly. And I believe we have the capacity and have been using it smartly.”
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“With GPS. Now, this is where your business clients will want to take me with a grain of salt because you'll realize that I don't have a keen business interest in this area. I actually had the first, we had the GPS. It was introduced to me. We put it with the mortar, first time ever used in combat in Afghanistan. And to me, it was a weapon system. If I had a business sense, I should have stood back. I said, wait a minute, this is GPS. We can put this in cars. We can make this thing really hum. Well, as you can see, I'm not here in Armani suit because I just didn't remember. Remember to do that. So I'm an advocate of, I think it's a powerful thing. It was used originally for surveillance. And then someone said we need to put.”
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“And should we do it? Let me answer your drone. So I want to say I'm opposed to the enhanced interrogation. On the drone, I feel quite differently. To me, it's like the new stinger. I actually had my hands on what I believe is the first drone that was going to be used in combat in 1986. We were going to use it in Afghanistan. And I was looking at it looked like a souped-up toy plane, but it was about six foot wide. And I got a call. The lawyers called and said, oh, Jack, you can't use that. That's assassination. So I said, right, I guess we won't use that. So instead, we got these big mortars and fired mortars.”
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“And I think no matter how we look at it, we have to deal with it. The drug problem is back big time. The heroin is really quite amazing because it is so addictive and yet it's worked its way into our... But in the school system is where it caused the flashback in the 80s. Herwin used now down in the... Low teens is quite large in the number of overdoses are stunning”
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“Some balance in this. Now, I think in the criminal system, and I'm not an expert on the statistics, but I think most of the people that are in jail are not users. They are sellers. And the question so. The legitimization of marijuana, I mean, I don't want to get in trouble with all my former colleagues who worked so hard on, but there is something here to try and get organized crime out of it, but I have yet to see a program that would make me comfortable that we would have the self-discipline. To manage a program where we wouldn't end up being Very weak populace.”
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“That we actually would be effective in managing it. Too often you start with we're going to control it and the control turns out not to be there. And I want to be careful that we don't have a doped up society. So there is.”
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“Well, I remember not too many years ago, four or five years ago, sitting down with the head of the police in Mexico City. And we were talking about narcotics. And he said, look, you're legalizing it state by state. And he was ahead of his time in identifying the use of marijuana. I do think your point is right on target as a relates to the huge downside of it being a criminal offense is that you foster criminal organizations. They're taking the money. It's not only out of the system, but you have people that influence the political arena and can do horrible things. If you legitimize it, that would go. I, however, on the other hand”
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“Social engineering. Social and engineering, but be careful how we do it. You have to get the consumer, the American people, to stop thinking that taking drugs is a good thing.”
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“But when you looked at narcotics, where was there in history that the drug, the cocaine heroin dropped? Now it's back, but why did it drop? It became uncool. Hollywood did so much in terms of playing it that, you know, Wyom might have been cool for not in any circle I'd care to be in. But here in New York, to put a cocaine on the table and have a party, there was a point where you didn't look too good if you were doing that. So the point is you have to spend time in what I would call...”
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“It's not as simple as that, but you have to do something that makes people feel that it isn't good to do this, that they decide that it becomes not fashionable, what would be my point. Why did everyone on TV three or four years ago wear purple shorts and purple ties? I have no idea. I don't know who started the trend and it didn't happen. But there are trends in history. There's trends in foreign policy. And if I look at ISIS today, we're seeing a downward trend.”
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“The problem is as long as there's a demand, the matter what you're doing on the supply side, the price will go up, but people are going to find those drugs and deliver them. So if I had $10, I'd put $3 into the fight or the decider. I would put $3 into Into demand. The problem with the demand side is, you know, we talk health and certainly we should do everything we can, but the rate of success in dealing with from a health point of view is really dismal. So how do you prevent the consumer from taking drugs? So law enforcement is going to go in and do what it can, but it doesn't impact on the consumer. To some degree, and why people giggle at it, I don't. Nancy Reagan said say no.”
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“Well, it's a tricky subject. One of the things I was on what I would call the supply side, how do you stop the supply? And stopping supply is an important thing. If you don't do it, if you're getting, let's say, 500 kilos a day going into the United States, you'll end up with 1,000 if you don't have it. But that isn't the real. By the way, in...”
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“We're going to shoot you. And so it was a question between, you know. The expression in Spanish was the wall between lead and money. You can either So it's very tempting for people. So, you couldn't put police around. So we had to develop special units. And then if you watch the Escobar movies or whatever, you will see that at the end he was located on a cell phone talking to his son. And so the technology, the world we live in, made it easier to identify him and to He met his demise as a result of that”
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“Had his own zoo blew up an aircraft. I mean, he was a really vicious and dangerous guy in Medellin. But the more dangerous group was the College Cartel, which had a lower profile, but they were really moving more drugs and more money. But because of Escobars fighting with the government, he had a higher profile more easily identified. From an agency point of view and working with other agencies, the mission was to identify where he was and then to have a well-trained unit be able to take action. The Colombians, and we felt that if you took a policeman and put them on the street after training within a day or two, met by a drug trafficker saying, look, I'm either going to give you $100 and you don't have to do a thing. Just don't do a thing. They're nothing. And if you don't, if you tried to be active.”
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“All of these groups had to work together. We brought them together and we started to develop new capabilities, linkage analysis, which we take for granted now, and that is how you use software to tie different conversations and technology became a huge part of it. And on the ground, We invested a lot of time in integrating capabilities, and I know this will get boring for your readers, but I'm just saying the counter-narcotics targeting became a model for the future of how the agency was going to do business in the drug business, an ugly, ugly business. Pablo Escobar for sure was a high figure in Colombia.”
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“Little by little became a big business in the CIA as well. And we created a center which brought in people from other agencies and from other disciplines in CIA. What I got out of the center, which is the way you do business. Normally, in the agency, it's stovepipe. Analysts, operators, scientists. In fact, we have elevators that were color-coded when I walked into the building, and you would never dream of going up the green scientist elevator, and nobody would ever go up the spy elevator. They just weren't a spy. So creatures of habit. The beauty of the counter-narcotics program and counterterrorism was that it changed the discipline.”
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“Big business. So there was a huge push in all the government agencies to. Enter into counter-narcotics. CIA and the FBI was not enthused about it, and one of the reasons was they were reluctant to get into business that concerned them that they might get too close to the business themselves. The temptation and corruption would be an issue. So there wasn't a lot of enthusiasm, and the FBI wanted to do crime busting. We wanted to do catching spies and running spies. So they actually created, had a great DEA. It had another name at the time, but it had to be made up and people drawn from other agencies because no one wanted to do it. But then as it got more and more money, next thing you know, the Navy was using ships to go run down a little tobacco boat running for the Caribbean. So money draws.”
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“Number of your listeners may not recall that in the early 80s, counter-narcotics was the number three was the number three concern of the American public. They wanted their government to do something about it because drugs had moved into suburbia, had moved into the countryside. It was pervasive.”
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“Our success rate. So I think he was a disgruntled guy. But the minute he ended up in Russia, it doesn't take much imagination to realize that Snowden, everything that he does is controlled by the state, in this case the KGB and the FSB. And that is... His meals, his job, who he meets, who he sees, what he can say public cannot say publicly are all controlled by the system. So after a while you become wittingly or unwittingly an agent of the system. So while that may not have been his design, that may not have been his motivation He is a pawn in the system. And over time, almost all defectors leave very, very unhappy lives. And that would be my forecast for him. As he ages, and he's got a long way to age, he will become Terribly depressed person.”
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“Training with you are now colonels and one star general. So the bitterness and the gap between your narcissism. And that's where the anger is. It's very rarely that people betray their country on some big philosophical issue. It's about that personal thing. You look at Snowden. Now, Snowden, I think, is a fairly bright fellow, but he wasn't good student in school. And why? If you start to look at Snowden, you see he was sort of a lazy guy, did what he wanted, didn't do it, was a very junior officer. And I think the same tendency was that he thought he should be somewhere else in life and smarter in this revenge sets in. I don't believe he was a spy. If so, the Russians had upped their game that you could find a Snowden where in his position find him and recruit him is better than my understanding of...”
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“So when you look at Rick Ames, he was very well read person. He was enthusiastic about the CIA and the counterintelligence and hunting down spies. But he had a self-importance. He thought while he was not very materialistic at this point in his life, he thought he was smarter than he was. But he had a habit, and it's a very dangerous one for anybody in business and in the bureaucracy, and that is he was lazy. So he would do things well. He didn't like to do it. He wouldn't do it at all. So it's very safe to project over a career trajectory that people that are lazy eventually fall behind. So when you get in the middle of your career, you think you're smarter than everybody, but now you find that you're a major and you're people that went through your...”
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“We're a group of people that are so hard nosed, but it is true. The light on the hill and that, as I said earlier, you join because of a sense of mission. Who could possibly betray it? And I can talk about some of the behavioral things. I want to talk about aims for one second just to overlay it on Snow. Yeah, no.”
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“He might determine coat. We've had spies inside the Russian system. They've come out. They're public. It's no surprise why we would think we would be immune from it. As a Tad naive”
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“Well, one of the problems in finding Rick Games, and I think the same problem recently with Jerry Lee and the Chinese following that in the newspaper, but... Is that the CIA had a really hard time accepting the fact that one of their own was working for the Russians, so it looked for all other explanations of why we were losing agents. I have made it a habit of When I've talked to a number of the directors over the past several years. To make the point that there is a mall inside the institution, so you need to make sure that you get brief by the counterintelligence people and you track it because it's part of the business is what I'm saying.”
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“Well, in Snowden, actually when Greenwald's book came out about Snowden, I was called by Politico and asked for a few comments about it because they wanted to be balanced between Greenwald's version of St. Snowden and Ryan. And as I said earlier in the program, I knew Rick Ames. He was the American CIA officer who volunteered to the KGB.”
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“Operation and in the technical area, and we certainly can respond anywhere in the world with things that are not seen by the naked eye today. So we can make life very difficult in the cyber world. The question is. What end? I mean, we really don't want that to happen. There's no win-win in that. But it unchecked, you're led there. You will be led down that path. So I think it's in the interest. That having been an adversary, the Russians have a lot of respect for. Them in a different category, that they're not unmindful of what's taking place here. They need to recorrect because they were dabbling and didn't realize it would have the impact. They never dreamed that it was going to turn around, lead to sanctions, isolate them in the West. And I think they're probably trying to find a way out, pull a rabbit out of the hat on their end.”
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“We live in a new age of intelligence. I mean, if you ask me what's the biggest change over my lifetime, it isn't how you go about getting human sources. That's as old as. prehistoric times so the It isn't that. It's the technology, the speed with which you can move information across boundaries. I mean, you just can't imagine the type of struggles I had to go to to collect information that today your one click away from getting 50 times what I would work for days to collect. And the second thing is my ability to mobilize people. I mean, you'd have to go out and hire a group and paint signs. And today, you know, with a good Twitter account, you can really stir up a lot of trouble. And there's a leveling to it because you don't have to be a powerful nation to meddle. I still believe, strongly believe based on, again, the arc of history that America still is your most sophisticated intelligence.”
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“Metal, and then we'll meddle there, and we'll be back to the old Cold War program. So I think it's a good time to cap this off and have Frank discussions and put some markers down on what we will and will not do. So if there's any silver lining, maybe that's it.”
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“That you get up with the Hitlers of this world in World War I or World War II. So destabilizing the West, if they wanted to do that, this is very small potatoes. But did they meddle and that there has to be a resetting of it is beyond a question of doubt and I take some hope as you know the three top Russian intelligence officers visited the United States recently. My hope is not based. I'm not asking. My hope is that it's a sit down and say, wait a minute, we have to go back and re-examine. Where are we here? Is this the way we're going to play the new world we live in or are we going to stick by the old Moscow rules in which we didn't interfere in each other's election? So I'm hopeful. It's the only way this gets resolved because if it continues, then we will have to respond. And very few people are giving, there's nothing in the public discourse about what we do, but we're not going to sit here and let the Russians...”
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“I know what big covert action operations look like. And if Putin really wanted to have a field day in our elections, you don't spend 200,000 and you don't dabble. There's a dabbling dimension to this that I think should give people pause. If I were to, and I want to be clear, this is not inside information, it's just years of looking at it. If I were the to analyze it, I think they want it to be a nuisance to Hillary. They didn't anticipate that Donald Trump would become president. And they didn't foresee the unintended consequences, that they were trying to destabilize the West. It would mean that they never read Western history. What happens when you hear...”
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“When you get around to the word meddling, it's really a good word. I'm trying to understand this. I think there's really very few people today that don't realize and accept that the Russians are meddled in the 2016 presidential election. What does meddling mean? And from my view,”
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“Pretty accurately for what it is. I just don't see other agencies Going through anywhere near the pain that the FBI is going through. When we talk about 17 agencies, I mean, you have to go back and look at the list. I mean, they're not all, you know, it might be the Indian Affairs has a branch of collection or whatever. So, I mean, you really only have a handful. And the premier collectors would be the NSA and the CIA and the FBI. When I think of collection and the military collects a great deal of information and also the satellite. Agency that collects satellite data.”
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“But I would expect the FBI to very quickly stabilize and return to its rightful place in our National Security Arena, but it's going to be hard sledding until the investigations are completed and we move away from the politics of the Russian meddling in the election and get on with the more strategic issues in the international arena.”
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