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Jack Devine

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“I bet on the bureaucracies over the long term. Because they're so needed, and the Congress and down on the hill know that. I mean, they really do. I mean, you'll have speeches, but at the end of the day, I don't think there's any sensible congressman that's thinking that somehow we don't need the FBI or that they're not doing a very good job. So when this is done, I mean, this is the problem. This has been elongated Bloody match, but it's a major overhaul and. Is probably not what I would think would come down the road. Now, it depends on how this plays out, but certainly some people will self-elect to leave, probably good for everybody.”
2018-02-09 · Masters in Business · Jack Devine Talks About the FBI and CIA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Weeding out spies, and they're terribly important agency for our government. But when you get involved, and sometimes you're necessarily involved in the political part, then the institution is at some jeopardy. So these are really difficult times for the FBI. And I think the sooner the investigation is concluded and people can get back to doing the other things that they do so well, I think it would be healthier for the institution. So I do feel that the FBI is in a really difficult period. CIA has been in difficult periods in the past. I don't think today is one of them.”
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“I do think when the directors go out and they should revisit this and feel like our spokesmen for policy, political policy, that it paints a picture that the institution is. So people underestimate the power of bureaucracies and bureaucracy is a bad word, but over time, bureaucracies really mold the governments themselves. And I'm optimistic that, and I believe this is happening, that the longer the Trump administration goes on, the more the bureaucracy begins to create policies and things that are more recognizable and a more traditional sense. The FBI, by contrast right now, is in a firestorm. And, you know, the FBI is most comfortable in doing investigations into crimes and kidnapping and so on and counterintelligence. They do a great job in...”
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“Wrangling, or let me start with the CIA, the one I know best. And I don't think that's a good description of what's taking place. I think people sort of miss the fact that the very first official visit that President Trump made was out to the CIA headquarters. And my own sense is day in and day out, the relationship with DCI, the director Pompeo in the administration is probably very solid. And the workforce itself tries to be supportive of the executive branch. But my guess today that if you walk through CIA, not much different than when I walk through and you half the population would be Democrats, the other half Republicans may be shifting within 2% in a given year. And I don't think they're politicized and I don't think that's what's at challenge.”
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“That's correct. So I'm a strong advocate of keeping both of those institutions, and again, I'll leave state aside and other government agencies, but two that are very much in the headlines, out of politics. And I think the leaders of agencies that dabble in politics do a great disservice to the core mission and to the institution. It takes discipline not to become part of when you're in the administration, not to become part of the politics. If anyone were listening on this issue, it was going to be the director, I would encourage them to depoliticize.”
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“It's free of the political pointees other than the director and deputy director. State Department, there are so many jobs that are open to the political arena, Assistant Secretary of this, all ambassadors resigned at the end of an administration. So it can be politicized. more than the law enforcement agency. The FBI director has a 10-year tenure and there's been”
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“Price that officers have paid over the years for standing by that. I can't tell you the political orientation of most of the people that I worked with. I mean, there are a few that I suspect it, but it was unprofessional to bring into the workplace domestic politics. It just wasn't professional. And the CIA is blessed, and I'll compare it with State Department in a minute for whom I have great respect and an important role they play. But the CIA, when the directors come in, they come in with only a couple people. Usually it's the general counsel and maybe an assistant or two, but none of them hold command positions.”
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“So it's a And from my view, from an aesthetic point of view, what I like and were in the past than now was there's an aesthetic dimension to it. When you walk in, there's a certain amount of simplicity to it. On the left is a quote from the Bible, and it says, you shall know the truth, and it will set you free. Someone gave that thought when they were thinking of what would go on the wall of the CIA. That is the mantor. In other words, your job is to get the facts, the truth. And as Jack Webb used to say, nothing but the facts. And it should be depoliticized. I would note on the other side of the wall, the symmetry of the stars where the fallen officers of CIA are recognized. There's over 120 stars when I joined. There was probably 50.”
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“So I think professionals in both law enforcement, and we'll talk about the FBI in the intelligence world, CIA, although there are other law enforcement agencies and there's also other agencies involved in intelligence collection like NSA and military intelligence and so on. The professionals in this field really don't want to see an intersection between politics and intelligence. It's really, and I don't know if you've ever had an opportunity to go into the CIA headquarters, but”
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“And I think over the past 17 years, Stanley and I are proud of the network we've built up. And I think it's very, very robust. But it's information collection. No one, the Justice Department, is not going to authorize me to help overthrow governments or counter invasions anywhere. So we're strictly in the information business and helping clients to navigate abroad.”
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“So I said, Like, why don't you sit down and talk about it? So, the basic concept was, you know, he had a very rich. Roll the decks of contacts and And had been in the business of using information in support of his big cases. And he felt that I had the know-how on how to produce that information. And it appealed to me because I am an information junkie. I mean, I'm an intelligence junkie. When I first left, I went out and interviewed, and I won't name the company, but it was a furniture company out in Grand Rapids. And I thought, oh my God, how am I going to do this? I'm not sure I'm going to be convincing salesmen. And fortunately, I ended up, as I said, in something I like and know, and that's collecting information and collecting information internationally. Now, we do about a third of the work here in the States, but much of the distinguishing work because it's so much harder for companies in this space.”
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“So I remember, I didn't meet him, but I remember him coming down and that. The officer Stanley was able to cut a deal for him, and I thought how smart, what a smart operator he was. Now, other CIE people weren't too happy because Stanley's only mission that requested the director was to cut a deal for this felony. So when we ran into each other, we had fairly limited contact, and then one day Stanley said, well, look, the company you're with, too cheap to buy lunch, and Stanley doesn't need a free lunch, I'll assure you. But I said, look, Stanley, I'll buy you lunch. So we went to Melonium Purcelli over on 50th Street. Stanley doesn't even sit down. He's still standing. And he says, Jack, I think we should go into business together.”
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“I'm working on it. But I spent a lot of time in the. I ran into my partner, current partner, Stanley Arkin, who's a very prominent lawyer known nationally actually. He actually tried the first case before the Supreme Court on insider trading, the defense, and won the case, and they changed the law accordingly. And he, what people didn't realize was asked by the director of CIA if he would come down and defend one of the senior CIA people caught up in the Iran Contra affair”
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“Well, I didn't know that at the time. As I said, right, when I was abroad, you had the infrastructure of an embassy to help you find a place. Not in New York.”
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“I'd like to say I had a career plan, a mission when I left, I thought, well, maybe I'll go back to teaching or whatever. Former acting director of the FBI, a fine fellow named Larry Potts, and he called me and said, look, there's an investigative company up in New York, and how he'd like to come up and run our office for a year, which I did. And the reason I was interested in the move is I always found New York to be an exciting city. And I wanted to, the idea of coming here, I thought, well, this is a foreign assignment coming to New York. You know, two years would be great. You can enjoy New York. And see the big lights.”
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“That's a political point, man, yeah. So it was time, and there is a time to move on. I did what I wanted to do. I got as far as my aspirations wished. So I felt it was a good time to leave. And if you go into the private sector market, you're better going in your late 50s and your early 60s. So I love the agency and I would have stayed there forever if there was still a... Still opportunities, but you can't go back and do the same top job. It just is not any question of not being fair, but I think you get too ingrained in the system.”
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“I think there's a certain point. It's usually in your late 50s that people exit the agency and they wanted to have a flow through. So the leadership was still relatively young. In the early days, they wanted people out at 50. Which was unrealistic, frankly, because most people are just hitting their stride as senior executives. So it sort of was pushed back to 60. Most federal employees can't retire until 65, but the CIA at 55 with five years of experience abroad, you can leave early. In my particular case, I had the job as the chief of worldwide operations. That is about as far as you can go in the system. Staying around unless they decided to make me the director, which I would gladly have accepted, I would quit. That's a political appointment.”
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“No, I think yours is better stated, the vacuum part, which I accept. But what people don't focus on is even after. After the Russians pulled out, the Communist puppet state, Naji Bula, stayed in power for three years. In other words, it wasn't an immediate vacuum because we pulled out. And the Taliban didn't exist then. So, and the Taliban is not a remake of the Mujidin that we supported. It's convenient sometimes for people to draw lines, and I just think that an honest look will lead to better conclusions than those.”
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“Well, I'm not a big fan of nation building. I've come over the years to believe nations must decide when they must have The grit and will and desire to create their nation. We can't force feed them. We can maintain things as a Can keep things at bay if that's desirable from a foreign policy point of view. But the thing we can go into at that time, civilization that would have been more familiar in the 16th century and think that you can fast forward into a democratic country with all the wherewithal is a fool's mission. I'm opposed to it. I think I might have been more charged up at the time about the battle, but with candor and hindsight, I think this is a bad argument. The second part of that argument is, oh, and you created the Taliban. You created a vanity.”
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“Well, Charlie Wilson and I did have a discussion at the time, and both of us were of the view that we should have kept pushing funds into the Afghan fray. The experts and people that studied it for years and the policymakers were of you, look, we wanted to drive them out. We completed our mission. You have to know when to end. And with hindsight, when I look back on it, and I would say 20 years later or whatever, when I sat in... Was able to see the longer arc of history. I really believe I was wrong, and Charlie was wrong. And that is we could have thrown as much money. You can throw as much money as you want into Afghanistan. It's not going to make a material difference over the law.”
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“Now I was annoyed because a professional isn't going to be caught in that sort of situation. So I could tell when I answered the caller and said, look, I wasn't in the hot tub with him. They were disappointed. It was, well, Jack is kind of bland. He really doesn't belong in Hollywood. But by the third call, he finally wised up and I said, I don't want to talk about it. So I wasn't going to mislead him, but I left the impression that maybe I was a little more flamboyant than the legend would have it.”
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“Style and he's watching a video of or a TV show with Dan Rather talking about Afghanistan and in the movie he suddenly becomes enamored with the battle the real truth was that Congressman Wright told him to get on it. The other thing about the hot tub is I got a number of calls the next day and it was quite interesting. They wanted to know not about the Stinger, noted was I in the hot tub with Charlie?”
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“Cheaper than they're better made. He said, okay, got it. So Charlie's influence and the details of the war and the running of the war is just not very realistic. He was important because he brought attention to it early in the early 80s. And I think that's important. And he kept pressure on. I once asked him, how did you get involved in it? Charlie is West Point, an Annapolis graduate He said, well, I'll tell you, the Speaker of the House, Jim Wright, came to me and said, Charlie, I want you to stay on this. I want you to stay on Afghanistan. That's your job. So that's how he actually got involved. And I noticed on one of these TV shows that you mentioned, they have him in a hot tub. With a couple beautiful women, which was when he was a bachelor, sort of his.”
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“But Charlie in fairness in his book said I had nothing to do with the Stinger, which he didn't. But most people don't focus on that. Charlie and I traveled a couple times to Pakistan and to the border area of Afghanistan. It was almost like a diplomatic trip. But I would say over my 10ure with Charlie, we probably had five at most substantive discussions about there had no impact on how the war was being run. He called me once and said, well, Jack, I understand you shifted the supplies from 60% Egyptian made forty percent Chinese to 60% Chinese and 40% Pakistani, what's up? He had the closest relation, oh, excuse me, Egyptians. He had a close relationship with the Egyptians. And I said, this and Charlie, it's very simple.”
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“Effort done by the way governments do things with chain of command and it's all within-house. I think it would surprise people to know that in Charlie's Wilson Warren, I was responsible from late 85 onwards. I never sold their version of Julie Roberts. Charlie Wilson had a stinger hanging over his office. One of my colleagues gave him an expended tube.”
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“And he was with his wife at the time, and I was with mine. And we sat down and he said, Jack, I know you didn't like the book. You're really going to hate the movie. And here's the reason. Let me be. Charlie was a great character, someone that... We all should be Happy to have known he was a patriot. I mean, he was much more substantive than people have recorded. But it wasn't Charlie Wilson's war. But in order to make a movie, you have to have a central person. So you have Tom Hanks and you have Julia Roberts and you have this drama. And the truth of the matter is these programs, no congressmen with a somewhat wild that's portrayed by the movie CIA operator and a socialite from Texas are going to change and run a war. It's not Palestine. It's a major logistical.”
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“Hoffman, who was a real gentleman, I said, Mr. Hoffman, my wife loves you as an actor and thought you did a great job in the movie Charlie Wilson's war, but Mr. Hopman had to tell you that that justice and the way it came down. So I think he looked up and thought, oh, here's another one of these New York crazy people. And he said, listen, thank you for your service, but I'm sure he felt. He was being put upon. But even before that, Charlie Wilson and I had dinner in sparks here in New York from your audience may not be aware of Sparks is where Paul said. Paul Castellano was assassinated on the doorstep, which appealed to Charlie. Charlie had a sense of romance”
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“It's a really good question, actually, a series of questions, Barry. So I was here in New York and I was having a late lunch in St. Regis Hotel, which has sentimental reasons for me from my CIA training. We'll leave that aside for now. And Seymour Hoffman was there. And I really leave actors alone. I never approach them. In fact, my wife was furious once in London because I came down the elevator with Anthony Hopkins. And she said, well, what did you talk about? I said, I didn't say a thing to her. I pretended I didn't know him. She was livid. So I don't make a habit of going over the celebrities, but I couldn't resist. So I went over to...”
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“Stinger missile was fired, the process of getting out began. And I think the leaving of Afghanistan was a great blow to the morale of the Kremlin, and I think it eventually, along with being so overpowered by the economic strength of the United States and to some degree, President Reagan's Star Wars initiative, which the Russians believed, I was agnostic about, they believed and thought, well, we really have to change our game plan. And they did. So it all came down.”
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“But what happened that day is the helicopters thereafter flew above the trajectory of the Stinger missile. So it meant that they were neutralized. They just weren't able to suppress anything on the ground. And consequently, we were able just pour weapons across the border. So it wasn't just shooting down the first few helicopters and several number of them, quite a few. After that, it was the fact that the strategy moved the helicopters above effective range. And what it also did, which is terribly important, is back in Moscow, it was like the last straw. They've been slugging it out, thought they could neutralize and thought, what do we do now? We have to up the annie. How long are we going to stay there? And frankly, it became a policy decision to start the withdrawal. And that was as early as 86 that they once had.”
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“And one point that I would make, Barry, that a lot of people don't understand, it's not just shooting down helicopters. What happened on September 26, 1986 is when the first shot was fired and the helicopter came down. I shouldn't say first shot because the first one bounced across the ground and the people on the ground said, Jack Devine sent us another piece and I'll leave the blank out of equipment. But the next three took out three consecutive helicopter single shots.”
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“Exactly. So whether you capture weapons and you can use them and you're used to using those weapons. So we had to find enough weaponry to support 120,000 Mujideen fighters. You can do the math on how much ammunition Are needed, but none of it could move because it just couldn't move across the border. So we were looking for anti-air weapons that could be fired in the field and bring down these helicopters. And everything we tried in the foreign setting didn't work. But it so happens in 86, the U.S. government was just manufacturing the Stinger missile, which is heat-seeking. That means... You fire it far to the left of a helicopter and the heat from the helicopter steers that missile right into it. So the effectiveness at the time, General Dynamics thought. The stinger might have a 25% success rate. It exceeded 75%. Wow.”
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“But at the time, the CIA was looking for, we were only putting in. Soviet block weapons. When you run an insurgency, one of the theories, and it's a good one, is that on the ground you want to have Give your troops AK-47 so that they can capture and use it.”
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“Oh, it's speed. Back in his day, the Black Hawk was the super jet of helicopter world. And it was easy to suppress forces on the ground. Great fire. It had great firepower. The Black Hawk or the Both. That's what I was saying.”
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“Absolutely. When I say we, I mean the Western world, and particularly the CIA and the U.S. really ran into a brick wall in 85. And that was we were able to amass a large amount of weapons, but we couldn't get them across the border and into Afghanistan because the Russians were using the hind helicopter, very sophisticated one, not unlike our Blackhawks. And they just pinned down all transportation.”
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“I think was one of the three major factors in the collapse of the Soviet Union, and I can elaborate on it. The Russians did leave, and one of the major parts of... Factors in that. First, I would say had people on the ground who wanted to fight, and that was Mujadin. You had support from the Pakistani government. And the huge U.S. material support in terms of weapons. Machinery, transportation, and eventually during the time I was. Involved in the operation. The introduction of the Stinger missile, which I believe is one of the few times in history where you can see an individual specific weapon change the course of history.”
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“When I look back over my career, it's probably the point where I felt I had the most direct role part in a major historical event, world-changing one. And that was driving the Russians out of Afghanistan. When the Russians invaded in the late 70-79, the administration, it was the Carter administration at that time, and the world in general reacted very negatively and understandably so to the Russians invading. And at that point, we actually began to help. But it was a modest effort using antiquated weapons to support the Mujideen. But each year more and more support was given, and the Russians increased their presence there steadily as well. It became a battleground, a key battleground in the Cold War. And the Russians' departure in 89.”
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“No, not really, because that I got it right out of the starting gate that I wouldn't touch any of those. No, these are. These are places where I don't give any clues. But let's say you be comfortable going there tomorrow and be happy to go there for a weekend.”
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“But it was about geography. And I was a bit more obstinate. And I'm working on a second book now, and I'm not as obstinate. I'm not going to waste my time on the issue of can I say, was there permanently or can I just say that I bopped into town?”
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“To be officially out there, but all of this material is out there so I can address, and I do address in the book, this is a book about largely about the action part of CIA. They did do a vigorous and painful scrub. Now, and I would tell you it wasn't about a sorcerer method, which is the key question. No, you can't mention any sources or any methods. But we seem to be hung up in the process about you can't say you were in this country permanently. It would shock your audience if I told you which countries we can't say that because since you were in the fifth grade, you probably assumed that we had people there.”
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“Clandestine meetings, betrayal, espionage. And that's the part you really can't talk about very much. Although I happen to know Rick Ames quite well worked with him and I can talk about Rick Ames, the KGB mole inside of CIA. So there are some espionage things, but where I became publicly identified, it was in the action part, the James Bond part of running the Afghan task for the drive the Russians out of Afghanistan. I was in Chile when Allendi was overthrown. I was in the middle of the Iran counter affair. So there's a whole series of things that eventually became public. I didn't realize at the time when I was doing that, they become public. As a result of that, once it's in the public domain in an official capacity, in other words, a government has to have information out there. It's not enough that it's just out in some newspaper.”
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“When you join the agency, you have to sign an agreement that basically says anything that you write has to be presented to the CIA, to a publication review board, where it's reviewed by an analyst and supervised by a lawyer so that they're cognizant of any legal implications. When I went through the process, I felt comfortable most people in CIA cannot write about their experiences because they're not in the public domain. My career is interesting in that half of it was in the James Bond George Smiley Le Coray.”
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“validate the rumor was that an article appeared in the Delaware County Times newspaper announcing my assignment. So when I was polygraphed, I could say in a straight face, they said, did you tell anybody about your employment with CIA? And I could say without Batten, and I absolutely not. They didn't ask me, did your father tell anybody?”
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“And she's grabbing me around the hip snuff here now. My hand's getting a little off the reservation. And I said, what are you doing? She said, well, I'm looking for your gun.”
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“Your parents. So I did. I told my father. and he was very thrilled to have a son in the CIA. I explained that whatever you do, do not discuss it.”
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“Friends and family have any idea what you were doing, or was this completely sequestered from your personal life? Well, you're instructed early on in the process. Do not share this with...”
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“Major universities with orientation and some basic course. training about the analytical process, they're good to go. The operational training is much more intensive. including jungle training back in those days”
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“The CIA and its operational The analysts go through a much shorter Training because this is not necessary to be an analyst. You're a good scholar coming out of the world.”
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“You approach them. We all went through the same training, and everybody, I mean, they stopped doing the tapping on the shoulder probably in their 50s. So everybody in my class They called the career training class, which is sort of the premier class where they developed the future leaders of the agency. The training is About nine months. Half of it Learning how to be a spy. Surveilling how to develop people, how to assess people, how to write reports To take pictures At night and so on. The second part is what they call paramilitary training, which is, it's a bit like boot camp where you learn. Use every weapon under the sun, not because you're going to use them as much as you're going to be. Dealing with people that are. Jump training, demolitions training. So it has a heavy military overtone to it.”
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“Since there's no controls many times when you're delivering money. So it's across that broad spectrum. But I would say fundamentally at the core, setting all these, what I would consider fairly standard requirements, they're looking for people that have a sense of mission, that they feel they want to serve their government and they want to serve it in a particular way. It's not a place where you apply just to get a job because you have a degree in political science or speak Japanese. So I think that's one of the key indicators.”
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