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Jason DeParle

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“I made a real point in the hospital of asking Rosalie's patients what they thought about when she wasn't in the room, what they thought about foreign nurses coming in, were they taking American jobs? And not one had any concern about it. If you're sick and you're in the hospital, you care about, you don't care about somebody's ethnicity, you care about their care. And Rosalie provided great care.”
2020-01-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jason DeParle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Interesting. That's an interesting question. I always use the quote, the Martin Luther King quote, which is one of my favorites, I think it's Martin Luther King, I'm pretty sure it is people that say pull yourself up by your own bootstraps forget that a lot of people don't have shoes, which I'm always, it's interesting. And the second part is having to do with immigration. When I talk about stories like this, that there are so many immigration stories that are so successful and so job creation, all kinds of things. And you get a pushback on immigration. I'm often like, what When did an immigrant do anything to you that was negative? Like I can't even, you know, it's the same thing around homelessness or something like that. It's a rare mitigation.”
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“Yeah, no, that's just such a dynamic in American life in a way that I don't think it was as prominent when I first came on the beat 30 years ago. Interesting.”
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“You're right in part, but I don't think they fully realize because I think if you go to the right schools, they work hard and you sort of look back at your life and you think, I made it. I earned my way. I showed you I didn't. Oh, sure. I had a good SAT and went to the right school. Yeah, the born on the school.”
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“Under the name of meritocracy. The other part of the problem is that the winners don't know that the game is stacked in their favor. That's another problem.”
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“Inequality has risen to the level where it's just replicating itself. So education, which used to be the place where you would supposed to be the place where you would fight class. Everybody got a fresh start. That's right. Yeah, it was never really that game case, but there was always some element where the class inheritance wouldn't matter so much. And now it's become a system that just reinforces class advantages.”
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“And we just passed a child tax, the Trump administration passed a huge expansion of the child tax credit and it's skewed towards upper-income kids.”
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“These amazing kids for anyone who People And wildly popular with the American public. But it's in the courts, eliminated the DACA protections. And so it's up to Supreme Court.”
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“Yeah, I mean, the people who, Republicans who were once for it now want something in exchange for it. They're just toxic.”
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“Well, as you were saying earlier, I think the thing that I worry most about is keep not the numbers. I can't tell you whether 800,000 or 900,000 or 1.1 million immigrants is the right number. What I think is crucial, though, is keeping the country a welcoming place that attracts the Rosalie's girl in Syria, that attracts the people who want to be here and whether you would describe them as the best or the brightest or the most willing or the most tenacious.”
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“That can happen. And in terms of what we have to do from our migration policies, our migration policies globally, you had the difficulty of getting here for this family, but ultimately one of them broke through and has a successful life in the United States. What has to happen from a global point of view, from migration? Because to me, migration is critical to people being able to move around the world in a global fashion is very...”
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“I don't know how you rebuild unions or rebuild union political power or find a working class political voice, but I hope that can happen.”
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“And we have a government in the United States that is adept at using cultural issues to divide, to disguise poor people's economic interests. So I hope that politics could.”
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“I mean, even when the Democrats were in power, right? They didn't do anything about the carried interest. Right. Right, right, Erned.”
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“And anybody can do anything. Well, boy, I wish I had the full answer, but the partial answer is I hope that poor people can become more politically organized and have more of a voice. You know, I think even well intentioned politicians in the end listen to their friends, listen to people who are giving them money And they're kind of invisible in the political process. They really are.”
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“There's ideas around. There's a zillion ideas that I hear about, but from your perspective covering this for so long, and how do the really wealthy, besides stop taking the money, which they love to do, because nothing poor people like, rich people like is more money. But what has to happen in our country to rise up that group and do what the narrative of the United States is, which is that anybody can do anything.”
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“Has a view of a subject migration goes out and finds a migrant family and it was just that I was initially drawn to just the character and And resolve and resilience and general decency of this family. I wanted to honor their journey out of poverty. It happened to take the form of migration.”
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“I always use it. You asked why I wrote it. It wasn't really to deliver a statement about migration. You know, sometimes a reporter.”
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“Or else you don't even know where the idea comes from. I always use that example. It's like there's a girl in Syria I know has a technological mind for climate change. I don't know when we're going to leave her there, like not bring her here and, you know, become the world's first trillionaire. You can't imagine where people come from.”
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“You wouldn't have picked her as being the one who was going to have the drive to get out. She wasn't the smartest. She wasn't the most outgoing. She just had some invisible tenacity that somehow carried her through nursing school in Saudi Arabia and eight years in Abu Dhabi and just kept going. She just kept going. So you're exactly right. If you can't quantify what she had, you don't know who's got that so-called merit.”
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“Oh, thank you for saying that. Because if you looked around the slum when Rosalie was grown up, when I first met her, when she was a 15-year-old girl”
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“So she's happily settled in the US, and the kids are now in high school and flourishing, and one of them is on a roll, two of them are on the on the roll They're American kids. They're not going anywhere.”
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“Yes, yes, yes, yes. He was, he spent 20 years there, but came home and retired and had a stroke. And Rosalie went back to see him. And as she was leaving to go to the airport, he said, we may never see each other again. She reassured them that they would and got in the car and we got to start driving to the Air Force. I thought, uh oh, it was going to be a bereft moment. I thought Rosa was going to choke up around the way to the airport. Instead, she turned to me and she said, you know what? I feel like I'm going home to Houston. That U.S. had become our home.”
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“All her children are abroad, and she misses her grandkids. It's a mixed bag from her point of view. She's growing old without her kids and her grandkids around her.”
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“Teach is still in the Philippines that Rosalie built her with a private water tower and three bedrooms and faux marble floors and living in much better physical condition. Oh no, no, no, no. They moved out of the slums and moved back to a family farm and built a nice house. I mean, that's the upside. The downside is.”
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“Because migrants saw it coming in. My grandfather came in. But also, Emma Lazarus wrote her poem about, give me your tired, you're poor, masses as a fundraiser for the statue. So even as it was being built, the notion of welcoming immigrants was built into it. And I think it's such a powerful image that immigration critics feel a need to defang it somehow. Defang or dem.”
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“That the statue of liberty, it is historically accurate to say that the Statue of Liberty wasn't initially conceived of as a welcome to immigrants. It was meant to celebrate freedom.”
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“Scrub the phrase nation of immigrants both literally as the government has done from the immigration agency's mission statement and more metaphorically from our consciousness would be a big mistake.”
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“The US, in a world of global marketplace, the fact that U.S. is a nation of immigrants should be a great advantage, right? Of course, of course. How much better for us to compete with the Chinese or whomever? Well, it used to be 20 years ago. The fear was that we were losing out to the Japan. Japan. Mark According once wrote, Japan got robots, we got Mexicans. And they were innovating. They were on the cusp of technological innovation. And we were stuck with low skilled immigrants. Well, now nobody really wants to model our economy after Japan. So America's inclusiveness could be an engine of dynamism in the global economy. And I fear that”
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“They don't come. They don't come. I think one of the things that a lot of people in tech are worried about, or anyone in any kind of forward thinking industry, is that exact thing, that fewer people are coming, that fewer people are staying or feel safe coming.”
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“It hasn't happened yet. No. And, you know, people have been predicting it's going to happen And it hasn't happened yet, but I said there's two scenarios. One is that they don't come.”
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“Yeah, so Pete Wilson, the Republican governor, running for reelection in a bad economy, seized on a ballot initiative called Prop 187 that would have denied the undocumented children the right to go to public school and all services. And it passed, right? So in a big moment of anti-immigrant backlash, it passed in California. And then what happened in the aftermath was immigrants naturalized and registered to vote in record numbers and California went deep blue and permanently blue, right? That's the last time a Republican went on a statewide election in California. So if the Republican Party, if the immigrant vote grows strong enough, I think the Republican Party will have to moderate its message.”
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“Okay, let me give you two scenarios. The one I fear is that if the people in charge continue to tell immigrants long enough and loudly enough that they're not wanted, the immigrants will start to listen and you'll have an ethnic reaction, a sort of a level of ethnic alienation like you see in Europe. That's the downside. The upside would be at least from the standpoint of A more pro immigrant point of view, this isn't the first backlash we had. We had one in the 1990s around Prop 187 in California.”
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“What's happening now? My fear is we don't let what has happened is bringing more people in is always better from my perspective in terms of, because you don't know where innovation is. I'm focused obviously on innovation and how you bring in ideas and new fresh things. And you can look at one of the concepts I think about a lot is how innovation thrives and what is part of it. One of them is tolerance. One of them is open borders, or not open borders, what's the right way to put it, a smart immigration that works that people feel good about it, more and more people, diversity and things like that. And the trends now are not that way. So what's the impact later from your perspective? Like if you were telling this story.”
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“Compared, go back to 1965, and if you'd imagined that if I'd told you 50 years ago there were going to be Hindu temples in the Houston suburbs, you would have expected, I think, a much greater level of ethnic conflict than you've had. Not that you haven't had any, but just by and large, because the expansion of the immigration to the US coincided, I think, with the civil rights movement, it helped incorporate immigrants much more successfully than it would have otherwise. And so you have this kind of like social acceptance and a political backlash.”
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“Well, again, I think it's important to differentiate between this, there's two narratives going on in America. There's this kind of ugly public political backlash narrative. But at the level of lived experience, I think by and large, immigration is proceeding pretty well. Rosalie moved to Houston. When I was growing up, Houston was known for honky tonks and rodeos. It's now the most ethnically diverse city in the world, deep in Red State America, and immigration is very popular in Houston. There's Hindu temples in the suburbs. There's Cajun cuisine. There's a level of diversity and intermarriage and economic cooperation. They have the engineers in the oil industry. They have doctors and nurses in the famous Texas medical center. You would look at Houston and say, wow, that's”
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“Look at Europe. We'll talk about that. Well, are the migrants in charge or when in 2015 when a million migrants went across the Mediterranean and into Germany? Was that the governments of the most powerful governments in the world in charge or were the people on the boats? That's a showdown we haven't quite come to the, you know, we haven't resolved that yet, whether governments have the power to stem migration or to what extent they do.”
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“If you look at the underlying forces that promote migration, you would forecast a future of continued high migration. The West needs the workers. The workers in poor countries need jobs, cheap travel speeds the journey, the internet, cheap”
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“Establishment opinion gatekeepers have lost their power, and Twitter has, and Breitbart and other conservative media have given voice to what used to be a more marginalized thought.”
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“You know what I mean? Someone was saying that to me before. Well, in the Republican party was forming around Reaganite orthodoxy that kept that message. It's not that it wasn't there, it's just that it wasn't mainstream. And I think.”
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“I do think the internet has played a big role in that. The internet. Weakens establishments and empowers marginal groups. So it was for 30, 40 years there's been a marginalized anti-immigrant message, racialized message. But it was quite marginal.”
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“And the internet sort of empowers the anti-establishment message. That's another part of it. I think demography is another part of it that immigrants are now settling in the south where they didn't used to. So for a variety of reasons, more particular to the Republican Party, the end of the Cold War has played a role. Reagan was actually pro-refugee because he saw it through an anti-communist lens. When he accepted the nomination for president in 1980, he talked about how the U.S. was a city on the hill because it welcomed refugees. The Republican icon, Ronald Reagan, said that. So we're in a very different place now. I think the end of the Cold War has been part of that as well.”
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“I think you need to distinguish between politics and public opinion Curiously, during the three decades after the 65 immigration law passed, public opinion was generally skeptical about immigration, even as the system was growing. So political forces were going one way, welcoming immigrants, and public opinion was kind of... Now it's switched, the political backlash among a minority is loud and vociferous, but public opinion is more in favor of immigration than it's been for 20 years. So what I think has really happened isn't that the American public has turned against immigration. It's that the dynamic inside the Republican Party has taken hold to promote an anti-immigrant message. I think that's largely because the immigrant vote is doing so much Democratic.”
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“Didn't stack up to So, what does that persist now? I mean, I get the idea that this has happened before most things were in that zone. This has happened before. We have been McCarthyism. We have been, you know, everything reoccurs from the Salem Witch Trials to today, essentially. Why now do you imagine this sort of push back against migration has happened when in most cases it does benefit the countries that”
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“Go to public school in Galveston, Texas. They pledge allegiance to the flag twice, to the U.S. flag, to the Texas flag. Rosalie's daughter, Laura, got fascinated with Rosa Parks and came home and retold the Rosa Parks story with a Filipino twist that it wasn't fair for her to have to sit in the back of the bus because she paid the same amount of money. So she had the American equality ethos. And then she said, but when she got arrested, she didn't curse. And she was very impressed with that. It was like the Filipino little girl schooled on politeness was taken to that element of the civil disobedience. So, I mean, quite third grade, quite deeply taking it to heart. So the idea that she knew Rosa Park, she knew Harriet Tubman, she knew Jane Adams. She knew Abraham Lincoln. She knew George Washington. The idea that immigrants don't get exposed to American civic, patriotic culture again, just didn't stack up to what I saw.”
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“And it was striking to me just how little the portrait they painted of immigration fixed her life. So Huntington, the great Harvard political scientist, the eminent intellectual of the anti-immigration movement, talks about how immigration has gotten too easy. They used to get on sailboats and wrench their way across the Atlantic. Rosalie tried for 20 years to come to the US. She took the test, like the English test five times. She took this, the nursing test three times. She waited in line for a visa for seven years, then she waited for a job. She put her every ounce of being into coming to the US. So quite the opposite. Mark Crecorian writes about how immigrants no longer imbibe American patriotism. They don't learn civic heroes.”
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“I think every era of mass migration produces an unease. The arguments that you hear today are really not at all different from what you heard in 1910, 1915, 1920, and the Ellis Island years that led to putting great restrictions on immigration for 40 years. I took pains to read and try to take seriously the anti-immigration or immigration critic literature, Samuel Huntington. There's a writer named Mark Recorian who wrote a book called The New Case Against Immigration, to not dismiss their concerns, but try to understand them and line them up against Rosalie's life.”
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“It's good for your country to be the place where people go to make dreams come true. When I asked Rosalie how the house compared with the hovel where we met with the leeks, rat, heats, crowds, and stench, she couldn't find the words, I couldn't either. Oh my god, she told the kids, big difference. Mommy didn't have it like this. Mommy grew up in a shanty. Christine looked up. What's a shanty, mommy?”
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“Rosalie said little about Trump. I cannot judge what's in his heart, but her life was an eloquent retort to the case he made. She didn't take from Galveston. She gave to it. She was a nurse, not a snake. In standard cost-benefit terms, Rosalie's experience was a triple win, good for her, good for America, and good for the family in the Philippines. But cost benefit analysis alone doesn't do the story justice. Rosalie's escape from the slums is a minor miracle. Migration was her vehicle of salvation. It delivered her from the living conditions of the nineteenth century. It respected her talent, rewarded her sweat, and enlarged her capacity for giving. It made her life deeper, fuller, and more filled with hope. It's great that migration helped or help others, but it's also great that it helped or help herself, that her quest ended in Texas as something for Americans.”
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“So she achieved in three generations what used to three years, what used to take three generations. And a few weeks after she closed on the house, Donald Trump announced that he was running for president with a speech denouncing immigrants.”
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