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Jennifer Eberhardt

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“It all depends on how it's being used. And so the whole thing also with the body worn cameras, for example, since you mentioned cameras for police, that can be used in a way where, you know, okay, we'll have this camera. You can stop people and look at their face and see if that face matches some face of a wanted criminal in a database. So it could be used in that way, or it could be used in a way where you're trying to improve police community interactions. You're trying to understand what happens during those interactions when things go awry. What is the cause of that? How can you use language? For example, with researchers at Stanford, we've begun to look at the language that police officers use during routine traffic stops. And we use body-worn camera footage to allow us a window into those stops.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, right, absolutely. So when you add sensors and cameras into the situation, it gets even worse, presumably. Cameras are supposed to be eventually be able to. Say what's furtive, right? There's a lot more, for example, when you get on a plane now, they take your picture, they're looking at your face and figuring out whether you're going to hijack the plane or just be difficult in coach or whatever they're trying to look for. Is that a better thing if the computers are doing it or not?”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, right, that led officers, yeah, to kind of come up with their own definitions and those definitions can also differ depending on what area of the city you're in and who you're looking at and so forth. And so now they have eliminated that as an option on the form that they complete when they make a stop. You can no longer stop someone for furtive movement alone. Those kinds of stops were huge. I mean, during the height of stop and frisk in 2010, there were about 600,000 stops. These were all pedestrian stops on the streets of New York City. Over 300,000 of those stops were for furtive movement. So it was like it was by far the number one reason people were being stopped on the streets of New York, even though it's hard to actually define what furtive movement means. Right.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, actually, we found that only 1% of the people stop for affirmative movement actually had a weapon. So it's really low hit rate there. And a lot of that has to do with just the fact that furtive movement is a subjective standard that they're using to stop people, right? It was hard for the department to actually define what furtive movement was, and that led.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, and then you also notice the same stereotypes you discovered affects perceptions of physical movement analyzing the data from a New York City police department. Eberhart learned that black men were far more likely than white men to have been stopped for engaging what's called furtive movement, suspicious behavior like fidgeting with someone, something at your waistline yet among those stop whites more often had a weapon.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, you just see the gun faster, so it lowers your threshold for kind of understanding sort of what's a gun and what's not a gun.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's right Well, because we wanted to really explore how deep these associations go. And so that you can have this association between blackness and crime that is so strong, that's so powerful that it is directing them. Yeah, yeah, you're directing your eyes as to what to look at out in the world, right? Also, once you look at an object, like I said before, even a blurry image of a gun can become more clear if you've just been exposed to an African-American face. And so that's power. It has to be. Right. Yeah.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, right. You can stop people and sort of think this person matches the description and it's not that person. And that has to do with how we develop the technology and what faces you train on and so forth.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, first of all, I used to study, well, I guess I still do study face recognition among humans, right? And so with that work, we look at something called the other race effect. And this is this idea that people are much better at recognizing faces of their own race than they are at recognizing faces of other races. And that has been examined in the context of criminal justice for eyewitness testimony. Not staking identity. Yeah, exactly. And if you sort of look at people who've been who are on death row even, who get exonerated, a lot of that at the center of the case is an eyewitness who thought they saw this person and so forth. But you also have an issue with machines doing this, right? That the machines aren't as good at recognizing faces from members of certain groups and other groups. And so if that's the case, then they're all kinds of problems that could arise from that. For example, like if you, you know,”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, right. It's a machine. It's not a human. And so, therefore, you know, we're doing everything right. Everything's clean, right? And so that helps people to think, okay, well, now we really don't have to think about this issue anymore. So yeah, those are all real worries”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, okay, dirty data and baked that in and further the problem rather than alleviate the problem that you're seeking to address. And so yeah, so that's”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I mean, I think one of the issues, it's not just that there's a lack of diversity in terms of ethnic diversity and who's developing the algorithms, but there's also a lack of diversity in terms of the background that people have, the disciplines that they come from, their areas of expertise. And so if you have only people who are from a tech world who are developing algorithms that are speaking to issues of criminal justice or education or housing or all these different areas or issues in the workplace and so forth. And you only have sort of one sort of way to think about that. You don't even have training actually to understand the historical realities of the inequality. You actually conduct research on these kinds of issues to try to understand what the sources of that inequality might be and so forth. And so you can take”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Twitchy. So let's talk about each of them artificial intelligence. Obviously, they're going to input data that is going to create a whole new set of data of where crimes might happen, what kind of people might are likely to put in crimes. But the whole worries around this is first the designers of these systems are largely white men, essentially. And secondly, the data they're putting in there is old data that's generated badly. How do you weed that out, or is it impossible to do so?”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah. Yeah. It's broadcast. It is. And you're kind of encouraged to respond to that without thinking and to respond quickly and all of that. That's another condition under which bias is most likely to be triggered is when you're forced to make decisions fast. You can't sort of sit back and think about different twitchy. Yeah. And tech encourages that. I mean, in tech, speed is king. People are trying to develop tech products that can be used in really sort of straightforward ways, simple ways. You can use it quickly, intuitively. You don't have to think. And those are the very conditions under which bias is more likely to come alive. And so that's a problem.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Incorrectly Yeah, I mean, I feel like there are a lot of feel worried about now, actually. It's interesting too, because it's also another example of how a bias can kind of migrate to different spaces, right? We didn't have an online space before, right? And so, you know, all the problems that we have out in the world and in society, you know, make their way, you know, online. Except it's worse.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Correctly, just recently with Amazon and their recognition software identified, members of Congressional Black Caucus as felons or things like that. And then there's the social media itself, which is used by especially Donald Trump and some others as a weapon now in that regard. Among these, when you're standing bias and the links between race and how people put the links between race and crime, which one do you fear most to be abused, or do you just fear all of them?”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Here with Jennifer Eberhardt. She's a professor at Stanford University's Department of Psychology. Her book is called Biased Uncovering the Hidden Prejudice that Shapes What We See, Think, and Do. A lot of people feel that social media, like myself, has weaponized and amplified a lot of what's going on. And there's so many different areas right now in tech that are hitting these problems in different ways. One is artificial intelligence, which I think a lot of people feel is going to solidify the already putting in bad data into this to create more feelings of misrepresenting who is committing crimes and who's responsible for them. So putting data into a place where it's impossible to figure out how they come to conclusions. So AI is one. One is facial recognition, which I think there's all kinds of controversies around that. In the silliest ways in terms of how pictures are taken, which are, you know, how they design things, to the more serious ones is that identifying people.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's one of those things where it's not new in the sense that it's the same social conditions that have gotten us where we are now, right? So if you're asking whether threat has always been a trigger for bias, I mean, I think threat has been a trigger for bias and the nature of that threat and what's producing the threat might change across time. threat makes us a lot more vulnerable to bias than if we're not threatened. Right. And that's the case for a lot of these triggers too. Triggers right now. Okay.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No tension around it. You can still be shame to it. You don't have the shame. Right, because it just is the way I think. Yeah. That's what I think. Right. Right. So when you're studying that, is this a phenomenon that's new or?”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They don't have to worry. There's no tension around it. You can still be. You can give the shame to it. You don't have the shame. You can still be a good person and upstanding and all of this and still act out in this way because now you don't define this as bias anymore. Right.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, things that we used to think about as explicit, and we would all agree, okay, that's blatant, that's explicit. Now we're arguing about whether it is. And so that's what I mean by the line is blurring. And for some people, they don't think the things that we thought about as explicit bias. For them, it's more implicit, right? And so it's hidden from them, even though it's not hidden from other people. And so when that starts to happen, that can set the stage or make more permissible all kinds of things that weren't permissible before.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, the thing that's interesting to me about that is that it also shows what's explicit versus implicit bias, that that's also shifting to the line is blurring, the line is shifting. Well, it's all explicit.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“more How do you unpush it? Because you've got a president who's saying things that now people are calling racists, for example, which is bias is a loaded word. Racist is the most loaded word, not even loaded, it's what it is. How do you”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so you know, this is the other thing about biases that it's not something. So we're all vulnerable to bias, right? Right. But it's not something that we're acting on all the time. So there are situations that can trigger it and there are situations that can kind of keep it at bay. And there are lots of things that are happening in the world now where we're triggered by that bias more than we used to be.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Social creatures and the social environment that we're in matters. And so even if we see ourselves as egalitarian and we're in a situation we're in an environment that is less so, we become less so over time. And so I think that's the concern is this kind of fight over who we are as Americans and what we should be trying to uphold, even if we don't always make it there. This idea that this is something to strive for, that once that starts to erode, then people get worried.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What is happening? What has changed? Well, I think the worry is that things are more polarized than they used to be. And I think people are worried about our norm shifting. And so we used to have these egalitarian norms and we were really proud of that as Americans and so forth. Well, alleged egalitarian norms. Right. I mean, so this was the ideal. I'm not sort of saying we always reach that ideal, certainly, but it certainly was a norm that people valued. And now I think people worry that that's eroding, that is something that isn't, that doesn't define us as Americans even anymore. And so I think that's part of the issue because once the norms start to go, then our behavior can follow that. And our behavior can follow that even when we sort of pride ourselves on it being egalitarian.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You are, right? What's there, what's present. So fast for today, right now, one of the things you're talking about was the idea that it's really things have gotten... Or people feel they've worse. And it does. I think most people do. Why do you think that is now? I want to get into the next section talking about tech because I think it has to do with proliferation of social media and everything else. But why do you imagine? Because this has been around for a long time, these issues. What is happening? What has changed?”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, it's both, right? Again, it makes it hard to fight it too, but I think the issue is that when bias is conscious, you kind of know what you know and you sort of think what you think, right? And you feel what you feel. And so it's on the table. And so you might argue with a person about whether it's right or wrong, but then they say, well, this is my belief about this certain group or this is how I feel about this certain group. The issue that gets stickier is if those associations that you've picked up out in the world, say, about African Americans in crime, again, since we're talking about that, that they start to influence you in ways where you can't actually detect it. And so you think that, oh, well, how I'm thinking or how I'm feeling is just kind of the way things are. So it's not the thing that you were talking about.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, that's the thing about bias. I feel like when you say that it's something that we do as humans, it's sort of part of how we function.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So whatever it is Right. And so when you have a situation like that, when you have these hidden biases that shape, first what we see, then we, I always, there was an expression that was used for me, believe. What you see, don't see what you believe. Believe what you actually see versus just what you think you see. And so I think it's a really, it struck me at the time when I heard it, I was an editor who was giving me that advice in terms of reporting. Because a lot of people go into reporting with a Deciding what the story is before. Not seeing what actually is happening. How do you push against that? Because it seems like you're talking about sort of an innate human trait to do these things.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“For all these other sort of differences in the situation that people can point to to say, well, my behavior is really motivated by X or Y or whatever it is that has nothing to do with race.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, it's hard because it's one of those things when it becomes hidden. It's hidden not only to the person who might hold the bias and be acting on it, but it also can be hidden to the target of bias. And so it makes it especially difficult to untangle. And that's one of the reasons that we as social scientists, we like to study this in a controlled way, in a laboratory sometimes, so we can rule out all these other factors that it could be. you know have made some decision that you've made based on all kinds of non-racial reasons right and it may seem reasonable but then we can notice you know in these studies a pattern develop where you know okay for the african americans in the same situation you're evaluating them in a more negative way or you know whatever it is and so we can look at how these biases can kind of take shape accounting”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, how do you realize that, realize these hidden prejudices, and then get rid of them? Because presumably what happens is then someone points them and says, just like right now lately, I'm not racist. And then racist actions happen. How do you uncouple those”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly, they're applying it and they don't know that they're applying it, you know, that kind of thing. They can think that they're acting in a way that's completely fair. They can also not be motivated at all to act in a way that's unfair, right? Their intentions might be good, but then you can still be influenced.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You have associations that can get activated. So the association between African Americans and crime, for example, might be an association that people know about, that they're aware of, but they're not always aware of how that association is influencing, how they're making decisions about various things. So it's baked in and they don't.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Penalty decisions, all kinds of things in life. And it can do so in ways that sometimes are beneath your awareness and sometimes can lead to great harm.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, something they do to function in the world, really. So, for example, you can develop, say, an association between African Americans in crimes. And this is something that I look at a lot and done a number of studies on. And that association can lead you to see weapons more clearly. For example, if you just expose someone to an African-American face, a blurry image of a gun becomes more clear to you. And it can also just like you can develop more clarity from that, it can also blind you to certain things. And so these biases can actually influence something as basic as what you see, but they can also influence how you treat people. They can also influence whether teachers are going to discipline a child in school. They can influence whether you get hired, whether you get promoted. It can influence jurors in death.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, talk a little bit about some of the major themes you think are important to think about when you're thinking about it because I think it does apply. The reason I think it's important in tech, you have things like facial recognition coming. You have social media, which has bias, things like... Services”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, yeah, but the content of those stereotypes can shift quite a bit, and a lot of that has to do with the disparities that are out there in our society. And so we're exposed to those disparities. We develop associations between certain groups and certain types of jobs and, you know, that kind of thing, or having certain traits. So that is something that is more culturally specific, and that can do a lot of harm.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, but it's people, I mean, it's not like we have a different way of dealing with people. I mean, it's the same brain, right? And so we're looking for shortcuts everywhere we can. And so categorization is a shortcut. stereotyping is a shortcut. It's something that's seen as sort of basic and it's universal. Most researchers believe that regardless of the country, regardless of the culture that people categorize and they stereotype other groups, the groups might change that the actual social groups that are present in that space might change. And then also the stereotypes that you have about them may change. But the act of stereotyping is something that's considered fairly basic.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Do pattern matching. We have to figure out a way to categorize things so that we can manage it better and the world becomes more predictable and so forth. And so there's a utility to it, if you will. But that categorization.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, so from a psychological point of view, I'm sort of interested in looking at multiple sources for it. And so one source just has to do with how our brains function, how we're wired. And so bias is kind of an outgrowth of that. So we are built, our brains are built to categorize, and we categorize all kinds of things, including people. And so we develop these social categories that we slot people in. And once we have those categories developed, you know, develops and feelings about those people in those categories. And so that's called bias, right? And that bias can then affect what we do and affect our decision making. So part of it just has to do with wiring. And we're wired in that way because, you know, we are constantly sort of confronting all kinds of things and overload of stimuli out in the world. Yeah, yeah, we have to figure out a way to...”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The awareness of sitting around a table with people that are so homogeneous and not noticing it seems hard to believe sometimes, and at least in tech. But we'll get to tech in a minute. But when you're talking about what you are trying to study here is uncovering where it comes from. So why don't you talk a little bit about how you look at it from your study point of view”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, this sort of unconscious bias, or some people call it implicit bias, can be defined as the beliefs and feelings we have about social groups that can influence our decision making and our actions even when we're not aware of it. So that's the key is that it could be something that you're acting on, something that's really affecting you and guiding your behavior without you actually being aware that there's a bias there that is influencing what you think and what you do. So that's what we're talking about. You're saying that you feel like it's entirely conscious. Well, I think...”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, you're also coming here at a time when tech has sort of amplified. I've always talked about weaponizing and amplifying a lot of bad feelings, all kinds of different things in society and sort of fracturing it a lot. And racial issues have been at the top of that list. But let's talk a little bit about how do you define When you're saying biased, and when you say biased uncovering the hidden prejudice that shapes what we see, think, and do. I've seen it not hidden. You know, I talk about, they talk about in Silicon Valley. Unconscious bias. I think it's entirely conscious in a lot of ways. Talk a little bit about how you define it. How do you think about the topic overall?”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, well, I came to Stanford from Yale. I had been there for a few years, and my husband and I came together. He was starting out as a professor in the law school, and so we're both there, and we raised our children there and all of that. So we moved from the east coast to the west coast basically because of the wonderful, I guess, opportunities that Stanford provided for the two of us.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And so, but you're studying from a psychology point of view. There's all kinds of ways to study this social science, things like that. You wanted to get at the heart of what causes bias and tell some of the stories around it. How did you get to Stanford? Do you studied and then?”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, it's definitely true. So, yeah, so I think since that time, it just raised a lot of questions for me, and I never stopped asking those questions, basically.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I've been interested in issues of bias, issues of race and inequality since I was a little kid actually, and I grew up in Cleveland in an all-black neighborhood. And when I was 12 years old, my parents announced we were moving to an all-white suburb called Beechwood that was near the other place. I mean, it was actually just a bike ride away, but a world of difference in terms of resources and so forth.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Whoa, I mean, I feel like we're living through difficult times now as a country. The Pew Research Center just released a report just recently which they found that six in ten Americans feel like race relations are generally bad in this country and a majority of Americans feel like things are getting worse. And so we're really struggling with these issues right now. And I wrote the book to speak to that struggle.”
2019-09-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT