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Jennifer Palmieri

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  1. Oh, so ridiculous. And then stop asking her questions. Yeah. Okay. If you don't think she should talk. Also, do you say that Mitt Romney shouldn't talk? Do you say that John Kerry shouldn't talk? Right. You know, I don't hear the set of other, it's so, it's so transparent to me what that's about. There's something about her that they just don't like. It amazes me that it's still an issue.

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  2. She got killed. And then now it's seen as a great icon. Yeah, yeah. But you just, you know, you want people to, I don't think we have to dwell on it to say.

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  3. Man, she was the woman that had the. Will encourage to go down this really difficult path, even though she knew it was going to be hard, because she thought it was the right thing to do. And I think that she will, you know, she's the woman that will showed us that, you know, did it the way it all's been done, I think, showed us that we can do. We can embrace a new way. And I just hope the next, you know, the woman that does get elected is going to owe her a debt of gratitude. And I wanted to write that. Yeah

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  4. Not regret, and then the next week I met with a guy, and he said, He was like, Oh, I saw what happened to Harvard. That's too bad. That kind of thing isn't good for anybody. I guess it was too soon for you. I was like. It was not his son for me. I'm glad I said it. It's totally true.

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  5. Yeah, I don't think I'll do that either. But I love writing. I really do. I love it. I was surprised to find that I like.

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  6. My Republican friends read the book and they said, you know, wow, I really never saw it that way. I never saw it that way for what happened to Hillary. I never saw it that way for how women experienced things. And, you know, and a lot of guys I've talked to was like, want to make sure that their sons read it too. So you just have a different perspective. And like you said, it's not some of these inhibitions. I mean, think of the little girl, MLK's granddaughter that spoke at the Parkland March.

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  7. I just like, I don't really, he just got caught up in something that got out of control too. Like, you know, I don't think any of this is an accident that 2016 is the year where all this craziness happened. But I think that Jim Comey Was more interested in protecting his own reputation than he would like to admit. And I think that influenced. Yeah, I know he doesn't agree with that. He thinks that he was protecting the integrity of the FBI, but he went above and beyond the way he handled this situation on a number of occasions in unprecedented ways that had huge impacts with us. And I just think that. Yes, it was a problem. But the guys...

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  8. I do find, you know, I have Republican book agents. Right. They are also Jim Comey's book agents. Oh, wow. They're really smart guys. These guys at Jasland. Have you seen that one yet? Your favorite. Matt Lattimore and

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  9. Oh my god, it was such a stress case last week about it the first couple of days. But I guess, which I guess is normal, but it's doing people seem to, I love what I love is that women like it and say they want to give it to their daughters or that their daughters has like stolen it from them and, you know, it's like in their 14-year-old daughter's bedroom. She can't find it because her daughter won't give it up. It's like it's really, it seems to me it seems to be the right moment for something like this. But you want to reach the dudes too.

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  10. I just messed up a little bit. No, I don't think I can get you to cry. So, last question where are you doing next? So you're going to write, you wrote this book. It's doing really well. It's doing well.

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  11. What are you doing? I did an interview about people ask me about crying at work, and they're like, What were you going to say to some people to say, well, it's just not professional? It's like, I say it is. I say it is.

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  12. Turn around and say, yeah, and just Trump on him. Don't listen to the second conversation that happens in your head where you're trying to decide whether or not you can justify what you believe. Say what you believe.

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  13. I think it would've not how the press would have received it then. It would have been like, wow, he really got under her skin. And then, and we would have spent, you know, the next three weeks dealing with that. But I think now, yeah, now I would.

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  14. She's She said, yeah, I got that. But the great news is he didn't do it. And she's like, nope, he didn't. But because I think that in that world, if she did it then, I just don't think it would have worked. Now I think it would. But now.

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  15. I just think in the old world, I think that's what would happen. And I talked to her that. Before she had gotten stage, you know, after this had happened, I said. And he had done this press conference and then sought to see these women in the front row. And, you know, all this craziness. And I was like, remember. This was designed to do one thing. Yeah, get under your skin.

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  16. Hillary Clinton rattled by Donald Trump. He's been like holding this trump card, so to speak, but he's going to come after her. I'm being an enabler and he's going to come after her on having attacked women, all of it's just totally false, by the way, which is why among the reasons why his ploy didn't work because the facts didn't bear it out. But it would say he won. He got under her skin. He rattled her.

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  17. Because, you know, I totally disagree with her on this point because she now says I should have turned around and said, hey, you creep back up. If she had done that, because remember, that was the debate where Donald Trump bought the women that accused Bill Clinton of a lot of bad behavior. And if she had done that, the entire coverage, because remember, that was the old universe we were living in. The coverage would all have been Clinton rattled.

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  18. I feel like she was the least surprised that it turned out the way it did because, and if we had understood, listened to her more about like, I'm worried about this or that or how that's going to be received. She might have, you know, in any one change could have made a big difference because we lost by so little.

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  19. Hillary, I would have brunette. I would have listened to her more because she, I do relay that on my first day she sort of laid out, just like vomited up what had been like to be here for the last 25 years. And everything, like, she's sort of bewildered by it all, right? Like times the press had liked her, times they hated her, times the public liked her, sometimes they didn't. And she just like wanted to lay it all out. But she's like, you know, we're going to try to start new with the press and other forms of communicating and I want you to never censor yourself or hold back. Like you should always tell me what you think and what you think I need to do. But I might say no a lot because I've been me for a long time and I kind of know how people react to me. I was a little sad because she was like, you can see she's just, she's like, I just, I think I'm a simple and serious person. I don't understand why I provoke situation people. And so.

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  20. So, this is a great thing that I have no idea. So I guess people have people who do that to me all the time. Like, oh, I don't know what they're doing on the Clinton campaign. If I were there, I would have figured it out by now, or it's crazy that they haven't figured it out.

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  21. Communications platform. The universe has ever seen and I don't, you know, there seems to be, they seem to be sort of hamstrung by that, scared of that, not wanting to acknowledge that, but not having an idea of how would you...

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  22. Yes. It's the Russians. And I think that Facebook had a failure of imagination about how haywire it could go and a lack of imagination now about how you solve that. And, you know, it's the greatest, it's the most powerful.

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  23. Yes I sounded like a crazy person during the campaign saying, I think this is the Russians, and they're doing it purposefully. Right, I've seen it.

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  24. I mean, there are, these are really devastatingly sad ways that we are connecting and learning from each other. But I feel like we are.

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  25. That and white families whose children aren't subjected to that kind of prejudice from law enforcement now are feeling more deeply what it means, what it feels like to be scared that when your kid walks out the door, they're not going to walk back in because they went to school.

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  26. social justice, criminal justice. So it is, I think it's a scary time. It's not a time I ever expected to be living through, but I am like every day you see something that disturbs you, but I see more things that make me feel like America is rising to the moment here. I mean, we had the terrible shooting in Sacramento, right? Devastating. But we see it and we see it. And people, you know, and you see protesting.

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  27. That's what Or you remember the end of the movie The Truman Show? When he walks off and says goodbye, good night, and then everyone, the thing goes and someone goes, what's on next? And that's what I felt.

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  28. That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. People get tired of it. I think that they're going to be, I think they're going to be exhausted and want something they can bring people together.

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  29. His negative, from my constraints, is people get tired of the show. Like they did his show. I watched a show for years and then I got tired one day It was just, I'm done. It's enough of you. And he's playing it like a TV show, which is why.

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  30. Well, the thing that's really possible. I think that you have to. I think he's not. I think that there's just, I don't, you know, he could run the table again and get just the right amount of votes.

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  31. Yeah, does Donald Trump hijack your party? Yes. After you've been fomenting that and you've been pursuing economic policies that are totally bankrupt that help no one except rich people, like, yes, Donald Trump hijacks your party. He comes in and does that. And now I don't, you know, it's like the people who want to engage in the world and the people who are looking to shut the world out. Like that's through trade policies and immigration policies. That's how these parties seem to be realigning. So, you know, I don't know how do you feel that?

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  32. We are never going to do that ever. And I never want to do that. We are never going to fall in line. You know why? Because we really care about results. And so we're going to argue about how we get there. So everybody wants everybody to have healthcare, but we all have different ideas how we do it, and we think it's really important, so we're going to fight. That's just how it's going to be. But I still think that there's agreement in the Democrat Party about what direction the country should go. And then the Republican Party, my God I mean, I worry about them because there should be a healthy opposition and there, you know, right now it, I don't think I don't know that the Republican Party, as we have thought about it, is going to survive. But I feel like the tolerated some measure of race baiting in their party. For years they

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  33. Yeah, that's like what we do, you know, like we're like people, it makes me the thing that one of the things that makes me so crazy in politics is they're like, you know, well, we need to be more like the Republicans because Republicans all just say one thing and they just repeat it and they'll say, you guys, like, what evidence do you need? We are not like them. Yeah.

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  34. I was worried about that. I thought that was another big moment when we won Alabama that, yeah, that this could be, this is something different. And now I don't, you know, now I'm like Beta O'Rourke is going to win in Texas. He's running for the Senate up against Ted Cruz. He's way behind the polls, but he's going town to town. He's not taking any pack money, doesn't take any corporate money. It's all like low to the ground. It's all grassroots. It's like that is the kind of candor that's going to win.

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  35. I had kind of a different kind of. I did not actually cry about this election, the 2016 election, until we won the Virginian New Jersey governor faces in 2017. Because then I could be, then I felt like relief. Like, we're not going to dissolve into a fiery pit of racial hatred, although we still could. But I don't think we will. But I stepped back because I was like, I want to see, like, I've done everything I could. And I'm kind of a control freak and I always think that if I do one more thing, it's going to make a difference. But I wanted to set back and say, hey, let's see, all right, America, what are you going to do? Like, how are you going to handle this? Right. With Trump. And so I laid back and watched, you know, like purposely took my hands off the wheel. Jesus agreed to take the wheel. And it was pretty remarkable.

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  36. Right, which is a thing women, most women aren't used to doing. And that's so that's a big deal. And they're pretty fearless and they have courage of their conviction. So they make me very optimistic. I feel it's just such, it's like it's such a relief. I did not participate in the women's march in January of 2017.

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  37. I think we're seeing it. Like, it's people taking to the streets. People take him to the streets thinking it's their obligation, and that it's within their power. How do you park that kids?

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  38. Oh, super clear obviously drives a And this is something that I feel I contributed to is that if you treat politics like a game, parlor, sport, parlor game. I guess sports and parlors, you know, people are going to liable to believe that it is and it doesn't matter to them to do it. It has been for a while.

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  39. They don't, yeah. I think that's right. I think that's right. And, you know, Obama had written one of my friends, Dan Pfeiffer, who said he thought a reason why Obama knew himself so well was because Obama had written a book before he ran for president, a couple of them. Dreams of my father's very introspective. And really he also has remarkable perception of other people. And it's that kind of awareness and empathy that I think you need. But man, your soul is going to be stripped bare.

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  40. Inclined to bring people together. It was interesting. Barack Obama really knew who he was when he ran for president. A lot of people who were president. You have to do that.

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  41. There's a lot of activity. But not productivity. But it's not news. And, you know, I think America, when it replaces a president, it's its opposite. It lets its mirror image. And I think that person, you know, it could be a woman, it could be a man, but I think that is a person who's more thoughtful, sure of who they are.

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  42. I get it. Like he's president of the United States. You have to cover what he does. More than that. I think it's interesting.

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  43. And it's exhausting, and it's people running in circles. Like, Trump does not interest me. He just doesn't like, does, I know who he is. I think the only question is, what are we going to do about it? But I think if you're a Democrat candidate who's thinking about running for president in 2020, you should be out talking to actual people in platforms like this that are lasting and have some kind of shelf life and actually get to reveal.

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  44. Politics in the moment and yelling at President Trump last week had there been any discussions of pardons. It's like, well, he's not going to answer that question. And also, that doesn't really tell us anything. You know, that's not that.

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  45. This is like the people I give advice to. That is what I say. But I still am frustrated mostly with television coverage, less so with papers, but there's still too much focus on the gain.

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  46. No, they still, and I'm like, what, what universe are you? Do you think you're living in now? Right. What did you not see what happened? Right.

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  47. Yeah, he's fantastic. Yeah, but yeah, just do it yourself, but do it everywhere, you know, do it in podcasts like this, things that really get to reveal who you are to people. I think that's the most powerful and are ready to do that.

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  48. Well, they're doing, I mean, they're doing the best work of their existence and their careers, particularly, I think, the Washington Post is outstanding. And I think more investigative journalism is needed, and we could still have more of that. But when I think of the daily churn of political coverage, whether it's on television or in the newspapers, that still has a big influence on how people perceive you. We certainly experienced that even though, you know, partly because it gets on people's Facebook's feeds and it still has an impact. But I think if you're running for president, I would seek out so many other opportunities where you can actually have a conversation.

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  49. You have to engage in the world and you have to be willing to reveal everything of yourself. And I don't mean like put out all your taxes, although like you'll have to do that too. But I mean, and we've talked about this, Carol, like you have to understand Who you are, not hold back, have the courage of your conviction and be willing to reveal that to everyone. And I think you have to, you know, every day, I feel like the mainstream legacy media just matters less and less and, you know, things like Washington Post in the New York Times, they still matter. They still have a big impact

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  50. He looks like the guy who ran for President 8 looks like Barack Obama's son. Right. But that's how much. But I think it's like you show the care and love that you frustration that you

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