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Jennifer Palmieri

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  1. I eventually, you know, every day, I mean, I knew by the fall of 2015, you understood this is something different. Trump was on the rise every day. Sanders was, you know, Sanders was doing well, was building momentum all through the summer. And it felt to me like there was a reckoning and that we had

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  2. Yeah, she's right about that. She was right about that. She was, you know, and She was right about that, but she was also right in the fall of 2015. We have a debate, we had debate prep. This is for the primary. And both of the Clintons were very uneasy. They felt like they just, there's like this despair and detachment in voters and that they had not seen before. And I thought they were wrong initially. I thought because they didn't live through the 2010 midterms since you were Secretary of State, you're sort of isolated from politics. And they're like, no, we've never seen something like this where people seem, you know, where there's like a lack of hope and they were very concerned.

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  3. We'll get to that in a minute. Yeah, but emails. I think emails was just the proxy issue for a woman with ambition. If it wasn't emails, it was going to be something else. I think that. But I felt that, and you could see pretty early on by the time we got to the fall, and I write about that the Clintons, I actually would credit them, they both, Bill and Hillary Clinton both sort of saw this earlier than I think people would be surprised to know.

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  4. I do know what it is like. We're going right to bitch, right? That's what they usually go to. And some of them are like, I kind of like it. And others are like, not so much. It's better to be fully defined because then they know what they like or don't like. They're either like a badass woman or they don't. That, then that's that so they can choose. So when you were working on this campaign, and I want to talk about this because I want to get to the development of the book.

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  5. We just don't have a model for how we think about women in those kinds of roles. And that's where you end up hear it now, you know. I hear about Kirsten Gillibrand. I don't know something better. Karisher. Yeah. I don't know.

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  6. There's something about her I just don't trust And I thought this was in the spring of 2016. I felt totally liberated. I was like, I am not solving this problem. This problem is not on the level. This is like, this has nothing to do with the woman that Acilary Ryder and Clinton. This is from when she was her college student. Well, college student even because she gave a speech, a commencement address at Wellesley. It was really challenging and she ended up on the cover of Time magazine or Life magazine. Then she's like, you know, Bill Clinton's wife didn't change her name, made more money than him, stayed home, didn't stay home and bake cookies, all of that. And so she's just always stepping out of that role. It doesn't mean that, you know, people want to hold her back or want to hold women back or it's just that's how we just don't know how to think about it. And that's what I think

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  7. And could be commander in chief. Right. Big deal. But there's still like there's something about her I just don't like. And I went back and watched videos from the 92 campaign and people who had interviewed her and people that interviewed, there was ABC to this one show where they talked to men and women on the street. What do you think Bill Clinton's life? You know, there's someone about her I just don't like.

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  8. Manifests itself in people having those kinds of reactions like, well, why does she want to do this? Well, you know, why does she want the job? People believe she could do the job. That's progress, right? 2008, that was a question. 2008, people weren't sure when.

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  9. No, she, I knew that there was this, like I said, I knew there was stuff around that hangs around her that makes it hard for her. But I thought that was because she'd been in politics for 25 years and she gets attacked by the Republicans all the time. And that leaves Mark. And neither those people in politics, you either get killed off or you get knocked around a little bit, right? She got knocked around a little bit. But I didn't think as I do now that the sort of, you know, what I see as like a rational sort of the gut reaction people who really hate her have to her are people that just have some doubts. I think that comes from her being a woman that's always been stepping out of the role that we've traditionally thought women should hold. And that's how it would make.

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  10. Oh my god. Yeah, it was instead. I think that was the weekend I actually ended up in the hospital the weekend that he went to the Arctic. But I thought that it was going to be a really hard campaign and I had a lot of experience. I had a lot of experience with crises. I knew the Clintons well. I never worked directly for Hillary, but I knew her pretty well. And I thought it was going to be hard to elect her because it's a third term for Democrats. The economy is still not doing well. Real big income inequality, wage gaps. And there's all this stuff that hangs around Hillary Clinton that makes it harder for her than when she sets out to do something than it is for anybody else. So I thought that that was a good use of me. And President Obama supported it. So I didn't think it was going to be super fun.

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  11. They went to the Arctic. I mean, I would watch with such envy all of the cool things Obama was doing in his last year. But what I thought was good, you couldn't have gone to the Arctic. I had such an amazing trip.

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  12. That is, yes Donald Trump in the 2016 election is the disruption that came to politics to prove to us it is entirely broken. Like that is my meta conclusion.

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  13. Right, there is, and it's a big world, and everybody has a platform. So it was during, and you have to realize that nothing stays isolated. So it was during Obama, like in 2014, where we started realizing power of Facebook in news. We're going to get into that. Because Ukraine, the Russian invasion of Ukraine, not something that should be on the minds of everyday Americans, but we found was that when we would be doing research, we would find we'd hear about it. We'd hear people expressing concern about that or Ebola in what we found was it was through Facebook that things that used to stay isolated to cable news, like we would say, go back to cable, that's just something CNN is focused on, real people don't care about it. And then you found it's starting getting into people's news feeds, and then it went everywhere, and it really, so weirdly,

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  14. Same dynamics. It's amazing. I think there's some things about White House that probably have been true since the very beginning. And same dynamics in terms of the interaction with the press. It's just the, it got even less substance oriented in Obama and more processing. And I found that stories would burn hot, fast, and out really quickly. So it's hard to break through to make something matter. So you'd be looking for platforms, something like this, you know, it's a platform that's going to matter. We did a great interview with you with President Obama when I was communication structure. So you're looking, you're dealing with the incoming and trying to figure out as you're being attacked or attacked by an opponent or criticized by the press. Do you need, is it something that you need, this is like the hardest calculation? Do you have to react? Do you need to respond to that? Or do you let it go? And it used to be, even as recently as

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  15. Right, and it was all about capturing the first few minutes of the network news and nightly news. And it was about, I mean, we actually had people who waited at the loading docks at 10 o'clock at night to get the first editions of the New York Times and the Washington Post. And the print editions, yes, and they would cut up the newspapers and have clips like that. And that's, we thought it was, I was there at the advent of cable news, right? Because during President Clinton's time and particularly Fox was created then and during impeachment, it was we were providing round the clock fodder for cable and that's where it really took off and that's where like the 24 hour news cycle really was created. But you saw when I came back with Obama

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  16. Yeah, I went to Center for American Progress, which is where I went after the 2004 election. And I helped someone on the Edwards 08 race, particularly Elizabeth, but never joined officially. And then I became Obama's deputy communication instructor in late 2011. And then White House Communication Instructor in 12.

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  17. I thought he was good. I had watched him from the sidelines and I met his wife. I went to interview at their home in DC and Elizabeth answered the door and she had a diet coke in one hand and a yogurt in the other. And she's like, do you want either one of these? Because they're all I have in the home. I'm going to lose 40 pounds. And I thought, this woman is never losing 40 pounds. But still. But I just loved her and we got along great. And she was a big part of why I wanted to do that campaign. 2004 campaign was a good one. It was the 2008 campaign where it all went. Yeah.

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  18. I wanted, you know, I didn't do the 92 campaign, and I really wanted to get in on the ground floor of a long shot candidate and go tromp through the snows in New Hampshire and Iowa with your, you know, your candidate.

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  19. Some people have said that many people have said that. It has been said it's funny, secret service agencies used to say that you always look so intense walking around. President Obama once said to me, you always have a look on your face like something terrible is about to happen. I was like, well, but I didn't, you know, I had never really engaged with the press. So, you know, people who work in politics who don't deal with the press are terrified of them because you can get into really big trouble if you screw something up there. But what Mike wanted was somebody who really knew the White House and can get the press office's business done. And what I found was that I loved the press and I loved working with them and they were smart and engaging and they cared about the process and I really and I was surprised to find that I enjoyed it and I went from there to be the press secretary for the National Party.

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  20. That was a funny thing. That was, I was not something the press used to terrify me, and it was, but I knew for the White House really well because I had worked for the Chief of Staff and then I had worked in the scheduling office as a deputy scheduler, which is a big operation and a presidential campaign or in a White House. And Mike McCurry was the press secretary and he asked me if I would come be a deputy press secretary's office. And I said, you know, I don't know anything about the press and they terrify me. He's like, perfect.

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  21. Oh, I didn't know that. And so then when Clinton was elected, Ion went and became his budget share and then his chief of staff and I went with him. So that I was really lucky. I ended up, my last job, Clinton White House is one of the deputy press secretaries. Right.

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  22. Yeah, I have worked. I worked for President Obama for four years. I worked for President Clinton for eight years. I was there for all eight years at the Clinton White House. And you did what? I started, Leon Panetta was my congressman. I was really lucky. So I went to high school in the Monterey Bay area. And he interned for him in college. And then when Bill Clinton became college?

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