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Jeremy Bailenson

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“Well, that was a great way to end. We're talking to Jeremy Balenson. He runs the virtual human interaction lab at Stanford. He's a professor here, and he has a new book out, which you should buy, Experience on Demand, what virtual reality is, how it works, and what it can do. There's a lot of hype around virtual reality, and this is like a nice clear thing of where we're going and where we are, so it's not hyped or undercut. Anyway, Jeremy, it was great talking to you. Thank you for coming on the show.”
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“So, my advice is to go outside, save VR for the things that make it special, and we don't need to be reading our email in VR.”
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“Five years from now, listeners, you are putting on VR to read your email, then I've done something wrong as an advocate. I think we should reserve VR.”
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“So by hour 17, he was reporting not being able to discern whether events were happening in VR and outside. So I am advocating on this show today that we should not be spending all day in VR and acknowledging.”
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“There's a pair of German psychologists who published a paper in 2014 where one watched his buddy while he stayed in VR for 24 hours.”
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“The oasis. Oasis. That's right. So, yes, in my lab, we've got a 20 minute rule, and you're not supposed to be in there for more than that.”
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“And also, just since there's been so much attention around attention, it's stealing of attention essentially just recently, for example, we don't like reality reality. Reality reality isn't as nice. And that's what Ready Player One's about to come out talking about that. They live in these horrible places, and so they go into whatever the place they go to experience a better life. The Oasis. The oasis. That's right.”
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“So in VR, when you're experiencing spherical video compared to computer graphics, I think it'll be different because of the expectations with computer graphics. Very few people have expectations of truth when it comes to spherical video. That's where we're in this kind of danger land because you think it's going to be real, but maybe it's not. So VR suffers the same problem as all media. It can be manipulated.”
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“I think we're going to give up on him on that one. And then lastly, manipulation, speaking of Donald Trump, lying, people feeling tricked. You could do that. This is like, you know, just right now, the internet's getting in trouble. All the tech people are for the results of their inventions maybe aren't as benign as we all thought with Russia and everything. It's like every day it's something, another fresh horror that the result of their inventions. This seems open to so much horrible manipulation that, you know what I mean? Like the road it goes down.”
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“And I'm just a hack when it comes to making VR content, right? What do I know about creating experiences? My strength is studying how these things work. And I've been put in the position because there's no content out there to create these experiences like becoming homeless and to help Courtney work on Thousand Cut Journey. And when smarter people than me are making the content, I think it'll be better. But in general, to sum up the empathy research, it does tend to work better than role-playing or watching a video.”
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“There's not been that many studies. I mean, there's a great academic name Millflater in Barcelona, and then there's my groups that have been doing this. And, you know, what we're showing is that in general, it is better than control conditions, but it doesn't work every time. And it also depends on the content. And this is... The question I get all the time is Does VR change empathy? And my answer is, well, you wouldn't say that about film or the written word. It depends on what you do.”
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“In the book in chapter three, what I do is I go through very carefully every study that I know of that's looked at VR and empathy. And I really take an honest approach, which is this is not going to solve.”
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“And you can just kind of sub them right into there. Yeah, that's true. That's interesting. And getting back to the empathy thing, I do think that's the most promising. And experiential things like I'd love to go to Bilbao, but I don't really want to go to Spain this way. You know what I mean? I'd love to walk through it, that kind of stuff and really experience it in a different way than just looking at 2D pictures or hear a story in a different way that scares you. Like I could see horror movies being really terrifying if you did them right. But the issues around empathy and feeling walking a mile in other people's shoes, I mean, you don't expect to like change people's like, would you put this on Donald Trump's head and suddenly wouldn't insult Haitians or what? Like what's the goal?”
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“That's right. The location based VR companies, and this is, it's just like an arcade. They've got super high-end good tracking and a lot of these kind of passive haptics, and it feels good like a haunted house type. It turns out that a year or two ago, where these things are going to be, but now there are these places that no one really goes to anymore. They're called movie theaters. And you can just kind of sub them right into there. Yeah.”
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“There's a number of folks who are, and if you think of the two industries that are grasping at VR, it's journalism and it's film. And why are they doing that?”
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“I agree completely, and the one thing I will say is that if you look at the history of film, it took us a long time to get to where we are today. So on the one hand, I'm completely agreeing that we need to break the template of let's have the film person come in and bring that over. On the other hand,”
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“Haven't figured out how to make it worth all that drama. What does it take a whole new bunch of inventors? I think it does. I think that's the problem is that you have technical people here in Silicon Valley and then you have Hollywood people who tell like fascism, tell stories in a certain way. It's a whole new genre of creative people.”
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“Yeah, yeah, yeah. So because of that, it's not there yet. The second is content. Content right now on the web is awesome. Content video games as a commercial success are fantastic. And people have not come up with the, whether it's a game or a show, they haven't figured out how to make it worth all that drama.”
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“So I agree with the heavy-duty technical challenge. The expense I'm not agreeing with because it costs the same as most of these video game platforms. And they're everywhere. So people have the money to buy the hardware. They do because they're buying those video games. The reason they're not is twofold. One is you pointed out to get these things working correctly, if there's a driver update or if there's a glitch.”
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“Right. Presumably. And so let's finish up talking about the hardware and how, you know, again, it's the purview, I'm sorry, of white guys. I think Mark Zuckerberg watched Oculus because he thought it was cool and he had the billions to do so. When does it become available to everybody? Because, I mean, obviously cell phones were the purview of the rich and then everybody has one. And these things have a way of iterating through the society. But this is a more expensive and heavy-duty technical challenge.”
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“Well, you know, we went down this road with MOOCs, these videotapes of professors. So I actually work with a provost at Stanford to rethink our online education policy where I come in is field trips. I don't want to replace the classroom. However, if you're going to go to learn about the coral reefs, why not swim around them? If you're going to learn about the statue of David, why look at a 2D picture? I mean, there seems to be some low-hanging fruits where VR actually will help. I don't think we should blindly throw it at everything, but in those rare cases where this lesson helps. And then the cool thing about a VR simulation is just like the digital song, once you build one, every single person on the planet will have access to it assuming they can get that right.”
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“At Tribeca, they had this VR arcade open for about 10 hours a day for seven days straight. I had a line of sometimes 100 adults deep. Waiting in line for sometimes up to an hour to learn about chemistry. And because VR is experiential, it's novel and it's fun, people are motivated to do it better. So leveraging this kind of phase where it's novel, it's a way to get people to actually experience attention.”
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“This is definitely not a magic trick that's going to solve everything. It's another tool that we can use and where I think you see the most benefit of VR right now is in motivation. So in 2015 at the Tribeca Film Festival, we had a seven-minute journey. It's called the Ocean Acidification Experience. And this was you learned about climate change, how it affect the ocean.”
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“Yeah, and so one of the things I have, I think I brought it up on the panel is that you can walk someone through what it's like to get arrested as a black kid, say in Baltimore or whatever. And you could have a little bit of the terror around it. You could feel nervous in a situation you've never been in. But it's a lifetime of behaviors. I think, you know, in this Me Too movement, a lot of women are like, yeah, sure, people do that. It happens all the time. Like they've become a nerd to it and aware of it in a way that men aren't, for example. And I think putting them through one bad date is not going to really a date that goes askew or is not going to make them understand quite as much. I don't know. I just feel like it's easy to forget that kind of thing.”
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“So we haven't collected data with this yet because it's brand new, but let me tell you about the study we're just about to publish. And this is about becoming homeless. And it's a 10 minute journey where you start out by having a home and you slowly, over time, events happen to you. You lose your job. You get evicted. You can't afford a place to live. You try to sleep in your car. The cops rouse you from there. And this is one we've studied extensively. So we premiered at the Tribeca Film Festival in 2016. And since then, we've run thousands of people through it. And we've also looked not just right afterwards, but eight weeks later. And what we're asking you to do there is to sign a petition, physically sign a petition that says, I am willing to have my personal taxes increased to support affordable housing measures. And so we're asking people. to literally sign a petition and what we're looking at is VR compared to control conditions, things like traditional role playing.”
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“And your result is you're trying to get people to be more empathetic people who you would say if you were doing the stopping, you'd put white police officer or any police officer in that setting to see what it's like to be on the other side of it.”
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“Microaggressions, they happen when you're a kid, when you're a teenager, when you're an adult, and in this journey, you're wearing the body of a black person and you start by feeling discrimination in a schoolroom when you are in third grade, and then you're a teenager where you have an interaction with the police that's very different from your white friends, and then you are an adult who is going on a job interview and you're seeing the same types of events. And so it's about a 10-minute experience where it's thousand cuts showing that these things happen all the time”
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“So this is a collaboration with Courtney Cogburn. She's a professor at Columbia University, and she studies implicit racial bias. That's what she does academically. And she and I work together for over a year just on this storyboard, working with her team members on things that have happened to them in their lives, watching documentaries, and just talking to lots of people. And what we came up with, it's about a 10-minute journey where it was important to Courtney that the idea is these types of events happen to you every day all throughout your life. It doesn't happen once. Microgresses.”
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“behavior So pertinent now for sure, like people, you know, one of the things you were talking about is this idea of implicit racism. I think it's explicit. Just people don't say it. That's different than implicit. I just think they're now allowed to say it or they're able to say it because we have a president who says it out loud. I don't think it went away. I think even Martin Luther King was writing about that. It's like we're not unveiling what's already there. So this is an idea. I became a young black kid boy and I got sort of a thousand cuts. You were using the more minor things, not the more, you know, the real heavy duty race. It was sort of getting picked on. Unnecessarily, having people make remarks about being black casually kids doing it to each other. The teacher begging on you for doing the same thing a white kid did, that kind of stuff.”
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“It's another cue that they get that they wouldn't have otherwise. And we do tend to look at emotions. But as a lab, what sets us apart from a lot of people that do this work or that think about this is that we look at behavioral change because with issues of race and gender, all of us say we want to be better. And most of us want to be better, but it's actually hard to change your behavior. And so we tend to look at outcome measures.”
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“Changed my gender, my age, my race, I can become a different species. And then you experience some trauma while wearing the body of another. You walk a mile in her shoes. And since 2003, we've been publishing studies that show how it can affect ageism, racism, discrimination against the disabled. Pretty much any domain in which an experience of walking a mile in someone else's shoes would help.”
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“You see your reflection and what the neuroscientists call body transfer occurs, meaning as you move your physical body, you see your virtual body moving synchronously at the same time. After about four minutes, the brain expands itself schema to include that virtual body. So our big idea is you walk up to a mirror, you see yourself as someone else. I can change my mind.”
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“So, the recent project I'll talk about in a second is called Thousand Cut Journey. But as a lab, we've been studying VR Empathy since 2003. And when I arrived at Stanford, we had a small grant from the company Cisco and a brilliant woman named Marcia Satowski. She said, Jeremy. Can you use VR to do diversity training? The way we do it now, it's informational, but it's not powerful. And so we developed what you just did called the virtual mirror, which is you walk up to a mirror”
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“The big idea behind this work is imagine if a beautiful hamburger looked like a hamburger, smelled like a hamburger, but it was really a vegan patty. We just solved climate change.”
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“To how much donuts you want to eat later on to how many donuts you want to eat later on. And what we discovered in this paper, it's very preliminary, very preliminary, small sample. So take it as the first step of many, the two competing hypotheses was that when you had this very realistic donut simulation that you'd want to eat more priming or you wouldn't want to eat more satiation. And after the study, we had a set number of donuts on the table and we allowed people to eat however many they wanted. And after touching and smelling the donut, they wanted to eat less. So it act as sati-shit.”
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“So, a postdoc of mine, his name is Benji Lee. We were just about to publish a paper. It's coming out in a few weeks that ask the question, what contributes to feelings of hunger? And imagine you have a donut in your hand. Okay, and you're bringing that donut to your mouth and you're about to eat it. There's three senses that are going into that. You see the donut in your hand, you feel the touch of your donut on your skin, and you smell the donut as it gets close. What we did in VR is we created an experiment where you could cross these conditions where we could basically, you could either see the donut or not in your hand, you could feel a plastic donut in your hand or not, and we could put some donut smell in front of your nose, yes or no. And what we could do is we could parse the unique contribution of touch and scent.”
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“So smells the problem of how to create a novel smell by combining a certain number of primitives of chemicals, that's pretty easy to do. In other words, if you have a set number of chemicals in the lab, you can produce a lot of smells. Now, with sight and sound, when you see an image, The imagery meaning 90 times a second, you replace what was there before, what was there disappears with sound waves, the same thing happens. With virtual smell, if there's a stinky bird that flies by you, you beam some scent into the nose area. And the problem is that when that bird flies away, then the scent lingers. In other words, you have to have fancy fan systems to clear the scent. And you're starting to see some demos that are getting better. But that's been the hold up. It's not creating the scent, but clearing it when it shifts”
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“Know how should I? Disney does this whenever you're watching one of their movies using their glasses. They always shoot water and stuff at you. Yeah, and smells. Like all of a sudden it's cinnamon buns everywhere.”
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“I mean, the good news psychologically, we've done about seven or eight studies on social haptics, meaning when you feel touched from another person and psychologically, even a tiny bit of haptic feedback really goes a long way. So I do think it's an important cue in which you should include it, but it's nowhere near as advanced as sight and soundtrack.”
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“It's not the same type of feedback you'd get from a handshake, which is if you take one hand and shake your other hand with it and press really hard, the amount of devices it would get to force from all the different angles bigger than a car.”
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“Yeah, haptic's the best way to do haptics is what we call passive haptics, and that's what the location-based VR companies are doing, like nomadic VR up in San Rafael. And that's a fancy word. If there's cobwebs in VR, they hang string. And if there's a table in VR nature, put a bar. Yeah, haunted house, radiant, exactly. To do haptics using haptic devices, you know, we have one of the heroes here at Stanford. His name is Ken Salisbury and another hero. Her name is Alan Okamura that does medical haptics. And it's really, really hard and expensive to do haptics well. So what the companies have chosen is a little bit of haptics. For example, vibration of the controllers. And that gets you a long way.”
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“And then we talked just briefly about haptics and other things because that still is not there. And tell me about smells. Because I get sight and sound that you kind of have that nailed, essentially. It's just a more of development. But haptics is more difficult where it pushes back at you, or you grab something and you actually feel when you grab it.”
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“With mattresses. Once a week I catch somebody. So you did the demo upstairs we'll talk about, which you didn't do is are the ones that are more perceptually deranged, things like walking a plank or we do things that are designed to just be fun. But there's by definition VR is intense, we choose to do things that you wouldn't do in the physical world. And safety is something that I, you know,”
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“And the edges of where things are. So they have to be empty rooms. That's why, like, you're thinking if this is going to be commercial, you'd have to have like a room of empty store of empty rooms for people.”
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“Know in VR, he was taking off like Superman, and the way you do that is you put your hands over your head to take off Superman would. And there's some haptic feedback you get from the ground. And he just went with the motion and decided to jump backward. And we're very careful in my lab. But Jeremy doesn't come with Oculus and Jeremy doesn't come with the HDC Vive. And there's some news out of Russia, which how much we can trust a Russian news agency is another story about three weeks ago, a man while playing a video game in VR fell through a plate glass table and died. Oh, wow. And again, I can't verify that.”
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“And he's in his 70s. And I was right behind him spotting him and I caught him. And he was just fine. But in general, you're starting to see more of these accidents occur. There's some new...”
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“So when we talk about the downsides of VR, you hinted at one of them, and the first thing that come to my mind is distraction, which is you've got this helmet on, you can't see the walls, you can't see if your cat comes in, you smash into things. I have literally saved lives in my lab from the head of the BBC Lord Tony Hall when he did this flying demo, decided just to do a backflip.”
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“Right, right, right. All right, talk about more problems. One is obviously these rooms where you wear the headsets, which are heavy and onerous. And I've had lots of arguments with people. Typically, I hate to say it, it's a man is like, oh, it's fine. I'm like, it's not. It's not something that average people are going to want to do for very long. Like you were talking about it. You could see you doing it in training, but it's a singular experience. You're alone. You feel isolated. You know you look stupid. Again, the headsets are still not ready for primetime. It feels like they could be lighter. You know, you see them in sci-fi in a way that you're used to them like that already and you wonder why you're wearing this giant helmet essentially. Where is that in the process? Or is it just a matter of cost and development?”
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“So you can actually force their field of view, but then you get motion sickness. So I'm a big wimp when it comes to motion sickness. If the virtual camera moves and I'm not moving with it, I get dizzy. Right.”
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“VR is anarchy. People can look anywhere whenever they want. Film is fascism. You know, it's great. The director, if she tells you where to look, when to look, and we had your attention.”
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