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  1. That's a really important distinction. As you work all your bloody life and suddenly you're 60 and you've gone, oh my God, I haven't actually enjoyed my experiences. I haven't actually, you know, I've got to do some really bloody incredible experiences. And sometimes I'm too busy stressing about what's next in my diary or finishing a thing, meeting a deadline, or even stressing about the key messages I've got to get across when I'm on that adventure that I forget to enjoy the adventure. And it's the biggest sort of waste of time that my job has within it. You know, like I remember being in a helicopter, and this wasn't me actually. This was somebody else who I recognized in. I was taken away to New York. I was going on a helicopter around Manhattan. And it was like, you know, what a cool experience. People don't get to do that very often. And this guy will sat next to me in the middle and he couldn't take his picture because he had to lean over me. And I said,

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  2. For sure, it's his business. Yes, for sure. That's what I mean. He's broke. There's definitely something to be said. And this is where, like, again, this is where I struggle. When you work, work hard. And work with passion. Like, you know, again, Sarah's dad says work is a dirty four-letter word, right? If you find the other saying, if you find something you love doing, you'll never work a day in your life. So work really hard and work with passion, but also stop when you need to stop. Take your time off, enjoy your evenings or, you know, again, I've got a job which allows me to work as much or as little as I please. I wish I did like a four-day week. I would very much like to do that. So I have a three-day weekend or I take a day off in the middle of the week. I've got the means to do so because I've got the brain to do so. And I think that

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  3. Yeah. I think it's really important. It's like work hard, play hard, right? It's really important. I posted this on my Instagram stories the other day Everybody, there's like you're right, there is a lot of people who are sort of poo pooing working hard. Don't work too hard. And there's also people who, like on my Instagram, it comes up all the time. Hey, I run three businesses and I do this and I'm only 12 years old and

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  4. Is being luck and timing and really bloody hard work and the hard work I can control of. The luck and the timing I'm not. And the other people around me are in charge of sort of, I guess, looking after the financial side of it stuff. You know, it's the admin stuff that... I

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  5. Yeah, very much so. And I think people are following their passion. I think the thing with influencing in particular is that the passion is so easily monetized, but it's also so easily taken away and it's so competitive that it often, I think some people are just passionate about the business of it. Now, I don't pretend to have a business mind at all. I haven't got a bloody clue. Like I've got a production company that I've just started with one of my pals and he is in charge of the business. When it comes to my social media stuff, my management are in charge of the business. I just make the stuff I want to make, the stuff I think will be good. I fully believe in letting people do play to their strengths. My strength is not that. But I often get called like an entrepreneur or something. I'm like, you know, all right.

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  6. Wonderful sensation, something I've never experienced and probably never will because my mind doesn't work that way. So for me, the anxiety comes from The fear of going back to that or not being able to provide. And the only way I know how to provide is in a very risky industry where I have to constantly churn out content, I have to constantly create whatever I'm creating in order to earn the money. And that's a scary thought. But I also appreciate that it's the anxiety comes in the job of it, I think, the freedom comes in the... Sort of the more, I guess, meta of it, you know, like I don't matter, it does whatever the Jim Chapman's not really of any relevance. But for my life, it's really important that I put food on the table for Sarah and my child.

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  7. Really struggle if I had to go back to a conventional job just doesn't suit me. Like, I was bloody miserable. My mum thought I was going to kill myself when I was working those jobs. I was very, very sad. I think it's a need for me to create. And I know that sounds really ridiculous and really wank, but like I can't turn up to a job that is the same thing every day. For me, it feels like a prison. And I actually, I think the people that can do that are like special because how wonderful to know that you are, you can switch on, do your job. You can know that you are earning your money. You're looking after your people. You raise your kids, whatever it is, whatever your life is. And also provide to society and give back your taxes and all that stuff and just be a good egg and then go home and switch off again. I just think that's the most...

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  8. But when you go the other side of the scale and you haven't got enough, it's a major stress, you know, because what blows my mind about it is it's all fake. Like it doesn't, it's just, it's literally me going, here's a piece of paper for loads of your stuff. And you go, okay, cool. I put value in that piece of paper. It's bollocks, but it's unfortunately the way our world works. And that stresses me out just in terms of providing. Like I couldn't go back. I mean, I could. I'd have to, but I would.

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  9. No, I don't think compromise is my safety. Like I say, we didn't have any, and I appreciate that life is, it's. Like I said earlier, there's a point where you have enough, and that after that point, it doesn't matter anymore. You know, you can go from having a little bit of surplus so that you can enjoy holidays, etc., you know, buy yourself some luxury things, whatever you want. After that point, it's all numbers. It doesn't really make any difference.

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  10. Yeah, you're not right. You're not wrong. I think on the wider scale, I am very freeing to know this on the more individual scale, like when you zoom right in, it's the stress of survival, I suppose, of being enough to maintain. Do you know what? That becomes down to money, I think, which is unfortunate because money is not my main motivator, but I realize it's necessary.

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  11. Do you know what I mean? Like, I've got no idea it's happening. So it just so happens that I'm on the other side of the camera and these people connect to me and I connect to them. But it doesn't go any further than that.

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  12. Really important, and a lot of people, especially when they're young and they're developing their sense of identity, as a lot of influences are, and suddenly are put in a position where they are reaching lots and lots of people. It's very, very easy to think of yourself as the center of the galaxy. And we're not. And actually what really matters, what truly matters is the people that matter to you, you know? And as much as I appreciate my audience, I don't know them, you know, I wouldn't know. I mean, statistically, there'll be a certain number of them that die every year just because of whatever, right? I've got no idea what's happening.

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  13. I think it's really important to know your worth and to know your value and to appreciate your position. I know that I am worth a certain amount of money if I work with a brand or I know that I'm worth a certain amount of time if I'm doing a thing. But I also know that I don't matter in the grand scheme of things, and that this is a phase. I might fuck this up tomorrow. Do you know what I mean? It might last for another 10 years. It might last for another 30 years, and I might never want to quit. Equally, I might get bored of it and go, you know what? I feel like it's too invasive now. Whatever. It doesn't matter. It's my decision. And I don't owe anybody else. But equally, they don't owe me. They don't have to watch me if they don't choose to. And I think that's...

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  14. It's something that's really important to learn. I think probably one of my biggest learnings from my career. Because I went through it at the beginning when everyone was like obsessing over the YouTubers. I was like, wow, I'm like a really big deal. Yeah.

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  15. I am not my job. And I think that's really important for a lot of influencers to work out. Like they believe themselves to be. Important. And actually, I say this quite a lot. If I were to die tomorrow, there'd be my friends and family would be gutted, obviously, and they'd be really, really sad. And there'd be a few people in my audience who are like, who have a real connection with me. But for the most part, people would go, oh, that's a shame. I liked him. And they'd move on to find someone else. I'm not that important to them that they can't continue without me.

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  16. It's particularly bad in this industry, right? More so than any other because when it comes to musicians or actors or whatever, they are... Looking after them and who are saying no and who are advising them and also they're not their own content. Brad Pitt doesn't play Brad Pitt, he plays someone else someone like me, my job is to edit myself, take my own photo, make my own caption, reply to my own comments. And it's all like Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim. It's very easy to then think you're the center of the universe. But actually, for every person who's commenting going gym, gym, gym, gym, gym, they're also commenting on everybody else's content because they just consume the content. I might be their favorite. I might not. It doesn't matter. I'm not.

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  17. That's something that I really can't tolerate in this industry is when people have that attitude. Like, I'm where I am because I'm good to work with. As much as the numbers and as much as everything else, I've stayed the test of time because I am honest and decent with my audience and I respect my audience and I don't take the pierce and don't take it for granted. But also if I am offered a job, I turn up on time. I say my pleases and thank yous. I get a lot of repeat work because I'm good to work with and I pride myself on that. And I have no I have so little tolerance for ego. Like all of us, if we're on set shooting a thing, whether it's whether you're the runner or the director or you're me doing the bit to camera or you're the guy going to get coffee, we all just want to do our job and enjoy what we're doing and then go home at the end of the day and say, oh, that was nice. You know, we don't, there's no space for any of that. And I think.

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  18. I'm getting older, my life's changed, my interests have changed, my career has changed, and I share that with people as opposed to desperately trying to still impress An audience that'sn't right

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  19. Algorithms, all that, but I think mostly it's just people force it to try to get traffic and views. And actually, my life is just as it's changed. I've grown up with it and I've been, I've accepted that change. For example, I'm really hoping I turn into a silver fox. I'm looking forward to aging gracefully. You know what I mean? And I think that that's kind of my role on social media. I'm not pretending to talk to young people anymore. I'm not pretending to be the cool guy and like, you know, I appreciate that.

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  20. I feel like I've had so many chapters actually. I feel like I've evolved. The beauty of my job, right? I'm allowed to do that. I'm allowed to evolve when it's forced. It can be really ugly. And I think that's how a lot of people lose their following. Partly it's entropy. People grow up and they move on. They do other things.

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  21. Although it was lots of people, it was of certain sort of sector of society. It wasn't. Like older men, it wasn't, you know, it was just teenagers basically, like I say, it was a real blast, but I don't miss it. I feel like actually I grew out of it fairly rapidly. The thing about it being teenagers is that no one can obsess like teenagers. I would be desperate for the photo, the selfie. They'd scream and cry and go ballistic. And actually, I'd be like, I'm really anti-climactic. I'm just some dude. I'll often just go, I'm really sorry that it's me. So, yeah, I'm very, like I said, I'm very grateful for it. I love that I've got those memories and I love that I've made those friends.

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  22. No, I say I'm nostalgic. I'm really happy I was part of it, but don't miss it because I'm 33. I don't want 14-year-old girls pawning over me. You know what I mean? Or just kind of like desperately trying. I remember one time being on the tube and this young girl just burst into tears. And her dad looked at me and thought I was like, would you blame him? So I was like, I'm all right. I'm on the internet, which didn't help because he's just being on the needle. He's like, doing what? So yeah, I don't miss it because it's actually really invasive. And like I say, I don't care about the notoriety. It was really lovely to be that person for some people and to have, even then, although it was big numbers, it was still fairly underground and I hadn't really reached mainstream. It was just online, right?

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  23. Yeah, I think that and also the friendships with the others, it was very idle, but it genuinely was. That was our life at the time. It was just pure fun. And like there was no stress. We were young, so we had no responsibilities, no mortgages, no like other things to worry about other than just like going out there and having a blast. And we just got to document that and share it.

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  24. That's not what sets me off. So that's fine. I've always got time for it. If people stop and want to have a conversation, as long as I physically have time for it, I'm not rushing. I'll always stop and have a chat. You know, I've got, I'm really gracious in that I appreciate that without those people, I wouldn't be in the position I'm in. I don't feel like I owe them anything because at the same time I provided the content they wanted to watch. But it's definitely like almost like a transaction, right? I wouldn't be there without them. They wouldn't, a lot of them have said like when I had amounts that I was pregnant, Sarah was pregnant, a lot of them sort of said, oh my God, I can't believe it. You like bought me up because a lot of these teenagers watched my content and my contemporaries' content.

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  25. It's not teenagers anymore. They're all in their 20s. But I'm so conditioned to being aware of teenagers now that I'm like, oh my God, oh my God, they're going to come for me and they're going to scream and cry. And I don't.

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  26. No, I loved it at the time. Don't get me wrong, it was great, but the novelty soon wears off because it got to the point where you couldn't, I couldn't take public transport. I couldn't walk to the shops. And it sounds like I'm really exaggerating. But actually at the time, it really was that. Even now, if I'm walking along the street and I see a group of teenagers, I'm like, oh shit.

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  27. It's really hard to put it into words. I tried explaining it to Sarah when we first met because it's really hard. And if I get stopped on the street now by someone.

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  28. Totally, absolutely was, you know, and we sold out these venues and we were, you know, we had screaming fans. It felt like being in a small version of one direction. It was wild and just so much fun.

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  29. Utilizing influence over someone, whereas actually I just share the stuff I like, even if it's an ad, even if it's I'm working with a brand, I'm not going to work with a brand that I don't want to talk about, right? So I'm talking about things that I'm actually enjoying or passionate about or whatever it may be. And I don't see that as exerting influence. I see that as sharing joy or even if it's just sharing good tips or whatever it may be, I see that as a very different thing. I also have a thing, and I've mentioned this a few times as there was a void in social media where myself and my contemporaries who all started around the same time did it for fun, did it for love, did it for adventure. We had no idea it was going to go anywhere. And when it started to, we were like, oh my God. And genuinely, I look back at it and I was such nostalgia. I don't miss it, but I love that I was part of it, you know, because it was such a cool journey to...

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  30. Absolutely, yeah, totally. But I do lots of other stuff. I appreciate that I communicate that other stuff online via my social media. I just think that influencer is, for one thing, it's an ugly word because it implies that you

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  31. I think it's really reductive. And I think that actually, if you look at, you know, if you just weigh up the quantity of work I do, it's only about less than 50, I'd say. Unfortunately, I don't get paid for the other stuff yet. So, yeah.

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  32. Right, totally, especially when it's already your weakness But you need to be, I actually really like criticism, so it's good for me. Like, you know, if I send someone some work or something and they go, oh, okay. As long as it's constructive, you know, they go, okay, I see what you're doing here, don't like that. That's not great. I thrive on that because I'm back in there and I'm, you know. I think having other third parties be like, you're not doing right right now. And that's something that I really want to be totally aware of when it comes to my child because I don't want to be an absent father. I don't want to be a dad that's always going no, no, no. I'm just not my lap, so I'll come back to me in five minutes. I want to be able to, obviously I have to work. You know, we all have a living, but I want to be able to have my kid with me and be present, you know, and not them think that they're sort of auxiliary or like an afterthought or just an addition. I want them to know that they are the center.

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  33. You know it's wrong, you know you shouldn't be doing it, but you can't not, and actually it takes a while to learn the techniques, you know, mine is as simple as it's painful, but I have to go, right, stop. Just don't do it. Step away from your laptop, step away from your camera, do whatever it is you're doing, have five minutes. If you feel better after five minutes, go back to it. If not, then take the rest of the day off. And that's what I have to do. I need to be Sarah needs to keep me in check quite a lot because if I sometimes it thinks up on me and I'm kind of like at stage four before I even realize it. And I'm like, shit, I'm in too deep. So she's often like, dude, come back. And that's really helpful. It's hard, though, because you don't want to be told by someone that you're not performing the way you should. You know what I mean?

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  34. I said to him at the time, I was like, There's a really tough point with therapy where you start seeing someone at first, you're really resistant. You're like, no, I'm fine. What are you talking about? But when they point things out to you, like, I'm not fine. But you're aware of doing it, but you have no tools in place of how to stop doing it or how to at least challenge it. So you're just punishing yourself for doing it. Like I remember going through that stage for a long time going, I hate that I'm failing. I hate that I'm still stressing out about being like working constantly or not working constantly or whatever it is. I hate that I'm doing it to myself, but I can't stop. And you feel a bit like a junkie, you know, in a way that you're like,

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  35. Yeah, absolutely that. Being aware of it is a point I always say this because I've actually a couple of my best mates have, I don't know a guy that's my age that doesn't need it by the way. So of my best mates, I've put them in touch with therapists or sort of said something, you know, I think you should see someone. And actually, we're really open and honest with each other. We're constantly looking out. If one of us is quiet on the group chat, we'll go, dude, are you all right? You've been a bit quiet.

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  36. Person, we need to Right, totally, and it's bloody stressful, it's debilitating sometimes. So when I have that turned up too high, I end up doing nothing, but I worry myself. And Sarah's like, where have you gone? Like, I'll just disappear and I don't talk. I don't like, I haven't been like this for a while because I'm pretty good at recognizing the signs and I know to take my foot off the gas a bit because of all the therapy I've had. But yeah, it's the bloody worst.

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  37. If it wasn't in his eyeline, I couldn't be chastised or it was safer. Think of my dad, he was very unpredictable. Which is terrifying for a kid, right? Because you don't know if you're going to get love or you're going to get punishment for the same action. So I would spend most of my time just kind of getting on with stuff. And because of that, I've developed a real independence, a real creativity. But if it's turned up too high, it's crippling. Whereas if it's a good number, then it's what's got me to where I am. I 100% would not be here without that because I just wouldn't work as hard as I do. But I don't need to work as hard as I do. You know, human beings have a couple of things they need to do. They need to sleep. They need to eat. They have the option of procreating. That's kind of it, right? What else is there? The rest of it is just made up shit that we've given ourselves to do.

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  38. Yeah, often paralyzed ironically into doing nothing because I'm so busy stressing about. Getting it done, don't get it done because I've got no brain space because it's too busy whizzing around in my head going, get it done, get it done, get it done. So there's a point where it's sort of really... Ironically, kind of just it's the antithesis of what it's designed for. And I think I get a lot of that from my dad because I remember being young. Knowing that it was easier to be busy and keep myself separate. So I used to draw this. Be really RT, and that's one of the things I really, yeah, I sit out of harm's way.

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  39. Knowing that it's a problem you have And it's taken me. I've been seeing my therapist for six, seven years, something like that. It varies. If I'm going through a moment, then more often at the moment, like once every six weeks, because I'm pretty chill. But it's taken her most of our time together just to crack that. And she sort of said, you know, with me, it's my biggest strength and also my biggest flaw. It just depends on where it is on the dial. Like if I've got that at seven, it's great because.

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  40. It's telling me off. It's going, dude, you need to be, you can't just be sitting here watching. You need to be doing working and making. What if this all goes wrong? How are you going to earn the money? How are you going to afford to look after your child and pay the mortgage and all that stuff?

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  41. But even if I'm sitting there watching a film, I'm like, oh, I shouldn't be doing it. 9 p.m., right? It's the evening and I'm supposed to be relaxing and I'm sitting there going, I shouldn't be doing this. I shouldn't be doing this. That's my biggest

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  42. 100%. Again, she's wonderful. She has an ethos. It's not a saying, but it's an ethos, which is like a day doing nothing's a day wasted. She can't relax. I can't relax as a consequence. If I'm sitting there just chilling, even if I'm watching a film, which for me I consider as research because I write films, right? If I'm watching something, I'm like, oh, okay, I see what they're doing there. And it's like, I don't watch them passively. I'm constantly thinking about them.

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  43. I also want to make sure I'm around enough. My job totally allows that, like I have time. I can work as little or as much as I want. That's the beauty of my job. Obviously, I work less. I earn less. But I can make no sacrifices. I don't at the moment. That's my problem. I work constantly because I like what I do and because of the constant, it's anxiety. I'm constantly worried about if I take my foot off the gas, what happens next?

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  44. Soft and considerate. Again, empathetic Because the thing about kids is I really appreciate they get frustrated because they're obviously told what to do by their parents. They can't necessarily verbalize or actually don't have the communication ability to say, no, that's not what I want. They have to appreciate that obviously what I want overalls it for the most part because safety or whatever But I think they also need to appreciate that they'll be frustrated because they can't communicate effectively why they feel pissed off because I've said no. And that will often come out in like tantrums or whatever.

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  45. Overwhelmingly thinking about nothing but a potential problem which may never rear its head. If it doesn't rear its head, then you've wasted time worrying about it. If it does rear its head, then you're forced into action because you can't stay in that situation. So why stress about something that's never going to happen or, you know, something that you will solve if it does happen? So I really want my child to understand, just be content, I think, and to know that both me and Sarah and all of our families, so my siblings, my mom, Sarah siblings and her parents will always be there to help. You know, I think that if I can do that, then I'll have done a good job. I want to be patient. It's in my nature. I'm a very patient person. But I also know that I'll be tested. So when I do snap, I snap quite loudly. So I want to become, I want to be patient. I want to be...

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  46. If I can have a child and if I can instill in them the waste of time in anxiety, like that, just the sheer... Nonsense of it, I really want them to understand that worrying does nothing. You know, yes, all right, we can be stressed about things. There are times when life is hard and things there's challenges to overcome, but you overcome those challenges when they present themselves. There's no, my therapist once said to me, when you worry, you rob yourself twice, right? Because the first time round, you're...

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  47. Congrats again. Yeah, thanks. It's really hard to say this because I know that every first time prospective parent goes, oh, I'm going to be the best dad. And actually, you know, invariably we'll all fuck up at some point. It's going to happen. I just, I think for me.

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  48. Basically, really, really overpriced. But I remember him, he would read it with me from cover to cover, and we'd put the bug together. Now, there would end up being six issues that we didn't get done and we'd have to do them in one go because he wasn't around because he was gone doing whatever he was doing and he would let me down a lot. But I remember doing them and I remember loving that time with him.

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  49. And both of you are right. And actually, yeah, there's truth in both for sure. But it's really hard to see that when you've got your blood up, you know what I mean? But I totally think that there's no, there's... I got, I like to think I've got the best bits of my mum. And if there is any kindness in my dad, and I remember moments, I don't have loads of memories of him and 90% of them are negative and scary. But there are moments I remember him sitting down with me and reading, there was a magazine. I forget what it was called, but he used to get like a little bit of a figure every time and you'd make the figure and it was like something to do with bugs and we made a big spider.

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  50. I think with me and Sarah in particular, it's tricky because we're both quite smart. And so when it comes to an argument, we're just trying to outsmart each other the whole time, which makes it really frustrating because we're both going.

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